History YMMV / OldGlory

11th Apr '16 12:30:58 AM Soufriere
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Today, public schools cannot require students to recite the Pledge.[[labelnote:Fun Fact]] Both the ''Gobitis'' and ''Barnette'' cases were brought by Jehovah's Witnesses, who are forbidden from swearing oaths (which the Pledge is, making it an unconstitutional abridgement of religious freedom).[[/labelnote]] Schools are also banned from punishing students for ''not'' reciting the Pledge or not standing up during it, and a school cannot make a non-reciting student leave the classroom while the Pledge happens. Of course, schools (particularly in conservative areas) could and sometimes do ignore these rulings and enforce the old laws, but a quick call to the ACLU and appearance in front of a judge usually ensures this ends badly for the school.

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Today, public schools cannot require students to recite the Pledge. [[labelnote:Fun Fact]] Both the ''Gobitis'' and ''Barnette'' cases were brought by Jehovah's Witnesses, who are forbidden from swearing oaths (which the Pledge is, making it an unconstitutional abridgement of religious freedom).[[/labelnote]] Schools are also banned from punishing students for ''not'' reciting the Pledge or not standing up during it, and a school cannot make a non-reciting student leave the classroom while the Pledge happens. Of course, schools (particularly in conservative areas) could and sometimes do ignore these rulings and enforce the old laws, but a quick call to the ACLU and appearance in front of a judge usually ensures this ends badly for the school.
11th Apr '16 12:30:03 AM Soufriere
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## At the time, the Pledge was still normally performed using the Bellamy Salute, which was dropped three years later due to it looking way too much like the Nazi "Sieg Heil".
## This cartoon was made just as numerous cases regarding the Pledge started making their way through the federal courts. Although a 1940 case established that schools could compel children to recite the Pledge, a case just three years later, ''West Virginia v Barnett'', overturned that and started the Supreme Court's tendency to strike down states' powers to mandate the Pledge.[[note]] Today, public schools cannot require students to recite the Pledge – both the 1940 and 1943 cases were brought by Jehovah's Witnesses, who are forbidden from swearing oaths (which the Pledge is), making it an unconstitutional abridgement of religious freedom. Schools are also banned from punishing students for ''not'' reciting the Pledge or not standing up during it. Of course, schools (particularly in conservative areas) could ignore these rulings and enforce the old laws, but a quick call to the ACLU and appearance in front of a judge usually ensures this ends badly for the school.[[/note]]

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## At the time, the Pledge was still normally performed using the Bellamy Salute, which was dropped three years later due to it looking way too much like the Nazi "Sieg Heil".
Heil". [[note]] They're both based on what people believe the Roman Salute was. Bellamy's version actually came into being decades before the Nazis' version, and has a few subtle differences.[[/note]]
## This cartoon was made just as numerous cases regarding the Pledge started making their way through the federal courts. Although a 1940 case case, ''Minersville School District v Gobitis'', established that schools could compel children to recite the Pledge, a case just three years later, ''West Virginia v Barnett'', Barnette'', overturned that and started the Supreme Court's tendency to strike down states' powers to mandate the Pledge.[[note]] \\\
Today, public schools cannot require students to recite the Pledge – both Pledge.[[labelnote:Fun Fact]] Both the 1940 ''Gobitis'' and 1943 ''Barnette'' cases were brought by Jehovah's Witnesses, who are forbidden from swearing oaths (which the Pledge is), is, making it an unconstitutional abridgement of religious freedom. freedom).[[/labelnote]] Schools are also banned from punishing students for ''not'' reciting the Pledge or not standing up during it. it, and a school cannot make a non-reciting student leave the classroom while the Pledge happens. Of course, schools (particularly in conservative areas) could and sometimes do ignore these rulings and enforce the old laws, but a quick call to the ACLU and appearance in front of a judge usually ensures this ends badly for the school.[[/note]]school.
## In 1954, at the height of the Second RedScare, Congress inserted the words "Under God" into the Pledge (in between "one nation" and "indivisible"). This caused the already-extant controversy over reciting the Pledge to get folded into the just-as-nasty fight over mandatory school prayer, which the Supreme Court banned in 1962's ''Engel v Vitale''. [[note]] The more famous case of ''Abington v Schempp'' (a.k.a. ''Murray v Curlett''), decided the next year, banned mandatory Bible recitation.[[/note]] Since then, several lawsuits have been launched against the Pledge on the grounds that it is an unconstitutional establishment of religion – most notably the 2000's-era Newdow case (which was thrown out for lack of standing) – and the Court has thus far held that the Pledge is legal as-is on the grounds that it is now voluntary and has a long history of being considered a patriotic exercise.
## Although the people most inclined to defend the pledge are conservatives, particularly religious conservatives, the fact remains that Francis Bellamy was a socialist who believed in government-sponsored social re-engineering to promote loyalty to the State. He was emphatically ''not'' a fan of federalism or "State's Rights". In other words, he was everything most current Pledge-supporters hate.
* OffModel: Anyone used to, well, pretty much any Porky Pig design would be inclined to agree that he just looks ''off'' in this short. Yes, it's justified by him being a child, but the big eyes still take some getting used to.



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9th Jan '16 5:13:21 PM mlsmithca
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* HilariousInHindsight: This 1939 cartoon was a not-at-all-subtle propaganda piece made to tell kids why they should care about reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. About that…

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* HilariousInHindsight: This 1939 cartoon was a not-at-all-subtle propaganda piece made to tell kids why they should care about reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. About that…that...



* ParvumOpus: In terms of comedy ''Old Glory'' is frequently considered the worst Looney Tunes cartoon ever, namely because there is not even an attempt at jokes. The entire cartoon is a deadly serious and cheesy PatrioticFervor propaganda cartoon where Porky doesn't understand why he should learn the Pledge of Allegiance until Uncle Sam visits him in an OpinionChangingDream and shows him scenes from the American war of independence. Even in the 1960s it was shown during hippie concerts basically for people to ridicule it, rather than laugh with it.
6th Dec '15 9:38:29 AM PurrElise
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* ParvumOpus: In terms of comedy ''Old Glory'' is frequently considered the worst Looney Tunes cartoon ever, namely because there is not even an attempt at jokes. The entire cartoon is a deadly serious and cheesy PatrioticFervor propaganda cartoon where Porky doesn't understand why he should learn the Pledge of Allegiance until Uncle Sam visits him in an OpinionChangingDream and shows him scenes from the American war of independence. Even in the 1960s it was shown during hippie concerts basically for people to ridicule it, rather than laugh with it.
18th Jul '15 5:12:20 AM Soufriere
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## That same year, 1942, was the year the Supreme Court first began to hear cases about the Pledge, slowly but systematically striking down the states' powers to mandate it.[[note]] Nowadays, public schools cannot require students to recite the Pledge – certain religions like Jehovah's Witnesses forbid adherents from swearing oaths (which the Pledge is), making it an unconstitutional abridgement of religious freedom, and that's not even getting into foreign exchange students. Schools are also banned from punishing students for ''not'' reciting the Pledge. They furthermore cannot force non-reciting students to leave the classroom during the Pledge. Of course, schools can (likely still do in conservative regions) enforce the old laws, but a call to the ACLU and a quick bench trial ensures it won't end well for the school.[[/note]]

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## That same year, 1942, This cartoon was made just as numerous cases regarding the year Pledge started making their way through the federal courts. Although a 1940 case established that schools could compel children to recite the Pledge, a case just three years later, ''West Virginia v Barnett'', overturned that and started the Supreme Court first began Court's tendency to hear cases about the Pledge, slowly but systematically striking strike down the states' powers to mandate it.the Pledge.[[note]] Nowadays, Today, public schools cannot require students to recite the Pledge – certain religions like both the 1940 and 1943 cases were brought by Jehovah's Witnesses forbid adherents Witnesses, who are forbidden from swearing oaths (which the Pledge is), making it an unconstitutional abridgement of religious freedom, and that's not even getting into foreign exchange students. freedom. Schools are also banned from punishing students for ''not'' reciting the Pledge. They furthermore cannot force non-reciting students to leave the classroom Pledge or not standing up during the Pledge. it. Of course, schools can (likely still do (particularly in conservative regions) areas) could ignore these rulings and enforce the old laws, but a quick call to the ACLU and appearance in front of a quick bench trial judge usually ensures it won't end well this ends badly for the school.[[/note]]
18th Jul '15 4:50:21 AM Soufriere
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* UncannyValley: The human characters.

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* HilariousInHindsight: This 1939 cartoon was a not-at-all-subtle propaganda piece made to tell kids why they should care about reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. About that…
## At the time, the Pledge was still normally performed using the Bellamy Salute, which was dropped three years later due to it looking way too much like the Nazi "Sieg Heil".
## That same year, 1942, was the year the Supreme Court first began to hear cases about the Pledge, slowly but systematically striking down the states' powers to mandate it.[[note]] Nowadays, public schools cannot require students to recite the Pledge – certain religions like Jehovah's Witnesses forbid adherents from swearing oaths (which the Pledge is), making it an unconstitutional abridgement of religious freedom, and that's not even getting into foreign exchange students. Schools are also banned from punishing students for ''not'' reciting the Pledge. They furthermore cannot force non-reciting students to leave the classroom during the Pledge. Of course, schools can (likely still do in conservative regions) enforce the old laws, but a call to the ACLU and a quick bench trial ensures it won't end well for the school.[[/note]]
* UncannyValley: The human characters. Par for the course considering all of them except Uncle Sam were rotoscoped.

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