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%%* TheScrappy: Sail, the protagonist of the ''Solistia Side Story'' arc, is seen by some as an uninteresting and somewhat generic protagonist who some refer to as "a discount Hikari", seemingly possessed by a dark side in the same way Hikari is in ''Octopath Traveler II''. His story so far has also been rather slow-paced, which hasn't helped to endear him to fans of the franchise.
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** Mahrez is a KnightInShiningArmor general of Edoras, who also is shown to be a skilled warrior. Between his relationship with King Pardis, Princess Elrica, and Krauser, he seems to be setup for an interesting arc given Pardis' villainy becomes more obvious as the story goes on. Sadly Pardis kills him not long after the player meets him. Worse, Mahrez has yet to become a playable unit, meaning a lot of his characterization and background have to come from other characters, which feels like a waste of a potentially interesting character. While he does appear in Elrica's Traveler Story, and gets some focus during it, seeing as its Elrica's story at the end of the day, he is still a secondary character in it, and since he has yet to become playable, he still is underdeveloped and used despite, again, being treated as a major character.
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** Mahrez is a KnightInShiningArmor general of Edoras, who also is shown to be a skilled warrior. Between his relationship with King Pardis, Princess Elrica, and Krauser, he seems to be setup for an interesting arc given Pardis' villainy becomes more obvious as the story goes on. Sadly Pardis kills him not long after the player meets him. Worse, Mahrez has yet to become a playable unit, meaning a lot of his characterization and background have to come from other characters, which feels like a waste of a potentially interesting character. While he does appear in Elrica's Traveler Story, Story and gets some focus during it, seeing as its Elrica's story at the end of the day, he is it shows how they met and fell in love, it primarily still a secondary character in it, and since he has yet focuses on Elrica, leaving him under used due to become playable, he still is underdeveloped and used despite, again, being treated as not becoming playable after a major character.few years.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Sazantos' backstory in the Bestower of All story reveals his mother was born with the ability to use the Sacred Flame naturally, so the church kidnapped her to produce a child who could inherit it, which was why Sazantos was born. Though this reveal is the basis for Sazantos' turn to villainy, the reveal has no further usage in the story beyond that, and the story never delves into the implications or fact the church would do such a thing to someone. The heroes react with shock, but never address it beyond that, and because the reveal happens late into the story, the reveal only feels like it exists to try and justify Sazantos evil deeds.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Sazantos' backstory in the Bestower of All story reveals his mother was born with the ability to use the Sacred Flame naturally, so a secret sect of the church kidnapped her to produce a child who could inherit it, which was why Sazantos was born. Though this reveal is the basis for Sazantos' turn to villainy, villainy and is suitably dark, the reveal has no further usage in the story beyond that, and the story never delves into the implications or fact the church would had people in it who do such a thing vile act to someone. The heroes react with shock, but never address it beyond that, and because the reveal happens late into right before Sazantos calls the story, Gate of Orsa and wipes everyone's memories, the reveal only feels like it exists to try and justify Sazantos evil deeds.deeds and to make him look like he has a tragic backstory.
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%%* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
%%** We're ''meant'' to see the gods sealed in the rings as being corrupted by their Ringbearers, but since their rings were given to [[FromNobodyToNightmare nobodies]], it comes across as if Aeber, Draefendi and Biflegan were actually the ones who corrupted their Ringbearers instead of the other way around. It doesn't help that, in Aeber's case, [[spoiler:Lyblac (Aeber's evil niece) gave his ring to Auguste second-hand through Simeon]]. Heck, even Aelfric, the only one who is stated to be uncorrupted, falls under this, as Sonzon states that Aelfric was constantly trying to get Sonzon to fulfill Aelfric's desires. This and the actions of the church the players see as wrong (giving Tytos a HistoricalHeroUpgrade, ruling in favor of Pardis, raping Pharamea) makes Aelfric's IncorruptiblePurePureness status an InformedAbility, and Aelfric only remains sympathetic because it's established that this is a series where LightIsGood. The only ring gods who could have said to be corrupted by its bearers are Alephan and Sealticge, as their Ringbearers were respectively [[CompleteMonster Pardis and Tatloch, the only ones who could have started their reigns of terror]] ''[[CompleteMonster without]]'' [[CompleteMonster their Rings]], as Brand and Dother were given to their Ringbearers from [[spoiler: Lyblac (again, the evil niece of the twelve "good" gods), second-hand through Ceraphina in the former's case, outright direcly in the latter's (Dother's Ringbearer was Ceraphina)]]. While one could argue that [[spoiler: Brand, Dother and Aeber were corrupted by Lyblac]], it's still not the same thing as them being corrupted by their Ringbearers as the narration makes it out to be.
%%** Yourself, if you think about it. While up until the Bestower Saga our actions can feel justified, sparing [[CompleteMonster Tatloch, who is the most evil of the main story characters]] (fans joke [[AbusiveParents Fiore's mother]] is worse than Tatloch, but since she's a side character it doesn't count), instead of [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds the more sympathetic Oskha and Ceraphina]] (of course, after knocking ''a lot'' of sense in the two, as Oskha is extremely cynical and Ceraphina made a DealWithTheDevil) makes it feel like The Chosen One doesn't care about Orsterra. It doesn't help that The Chosen One doesn't seem to care for the quote-unquote "friends" they're allegedly saving, as the only time they show remorse for one of their deaths or sympathy to someone that survive because of one of said deaths is Elrica's, and even then, that was only temporary if Bestower of All is any indication. And the HeroicMime idea is thrown out of the window by the fact ''all travelers'' have spoken lines, even if only in Traveler Stories. Some people believe that, if The Chosen One had basic human decency, they'd have been the one to get fed up with the crimes humanity did in the name of desire instead of Sazantos.
* UnnecessaryMakeover: A minor case with Richard, whose second/primary outfit isn't ''dis''liked and the change is narratively necessary, but more than one fan was disappointed that it specifically meant his initial design as [[spoiler:the traveler Charles]] wouldn't become playable.
%%** We're ''meant'' to see the gods sealed in the rings as being corrupted by their Ringbearers, but since their rings were given to [[FromNobodyToNightmare nobodies]], it comes across as if Aeber, Draefendi and Biflegan were actually the ones who corrupted their Ringbearers instead of the other way around. It doesn't help that, in Aeber's case, [[spoiler:Lyblac (Aeber's evil niece) gave his ring to Auguste second-hand through Simeon]]. Heck, even Aelfric, the only one who is stated to be uncorrupted, falls under this, as Sonzon states that Aelfric was constantly trying to get Sonzon to fulfill Aelfric's desires. This and the actions of the church the players see as wrong (giving Tytos a HistoricalHeroUpgrade, ruling in favor of Pardis, raping Pharamea) makes Aelfric's IncorruptiblePurePureness status an InformedAbility, and Aelfric only remains sympathetic because it's established that this is a series where LightIsGood. The only ring gods who could have said to be corrupted by its bearers are Alephan and Sealticge, as their Ringbearers were respectively [[CompleteMonster Pardis and Tatloch, the only ones who could have started their reigns of terror]] ''[[CompleteMonster without]]'' [[CompleteMonster their Rings]], as Brand and Dother were given to their Ringbearers from [[spoiler: Lyblac (again, the evil niece of the twelve "good" gods), second-hand through Ceraphina in the former's case, outright direcly in the latter's (Dother's Ringbearer was Ceraphina)]]. While one could argue that [[spoiler: Brand, Dother and Aeber were corrupted by Lyblac]], it's still not the same thing as them being corrupted by their Ringbearers as the narration makes it out to be.
%%** Yourself, if you think about it. While up until the Bestower Saga our actions can feel justified, sparing [[CompleteMonster Tatloch, who is the most evil of the main story characters]] (fans joke [[AbusiveParents Fiore's mother]] is worse than Tatloch, but since she's a side character it doesn't count), instead of [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds the more sympathetic Oskha and Ceraphina]] (of course, after knocking ''a lot'' of sense in the two, as Oskha is extremely cynical and Ceraphina made a DealWithTheDevil) makes it feel like The Chosen One doesn't care about Orsterra. It doesn't help that The Chosen One doesn't seem to care for the quote-unquote "friends" they're allegedly saving, as the only time they show remorse for one of their deaths or sympathy to someone that survive because of one of said deaths is Elrica's, and even then, that was only temporary if Bestower of All is any indication. And the HeroicMime idea is thrown out of the window by the fact ''all travelers'' have spoken lines, even if only in Traveler Stories. Some people believe that, if The Chosen One had basic human decency, they'd have been the one to get fed up with the crimes humanity did in the name of desire instead of Sazantos.
* UnnecessaryMakeover: A minor case with Richard, whose second/primary outfit isn't ''dis''liked and the change is narratively necessary, but more than one fan was disappointed that it specifically meant his initial design as [[spoiler:the traveler Charles]] wouldn't become playable.
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%%** We're ''meant'' to see the gods sealed in the rings as being corrupted by their Ringbearers, but since their rings were given to [[FromNobodyToNightmare nobodies]], it comes across as if Aeber, Draefendi and Biflegan were actually the ones who corrupted their Ringbearers instead of the other way around. It doesn't help that, in Aeber's case, [[spoiler:Lyblac (Aeber's evil niece) gave his ring to Auguste second-hand through Simeon]]. Heck, even Aelfric, the only one who is stated to be uncorrupted, falls under this, as Sonzon states that Aelfric was constantly trying to get Sonzon to fulfill Aelfric's desires. This and the actions of the church the players see as wrong (giving Tytos a HistoricalHeroUpgrade, ruling in favor of Pardis, raping Pharamea) makes Aelfric's IncorruptiblePurePureness status an InformedAbility, and Aelfric only remains sympathetic because it's established that this is a series where LightIsGood. The only ring gods who could have said to be corrupted by its bearers are Alephan and Sealticge, as their Ringbearers were respectively [[CompleteMonster Pardis and Tatloch, the only ones who could have started their reigns of terror]] ''[[CompleteMonster without]]'' [[CompleteMonster their Rings]], as Brand and Dother were given to their Ringbearers from [[spoiler: Lyblac (again, the evil niece of the twelve "good" gods), second-hand through Ceraphina in the former's case, outright direcly in the latter's (Dother's Ringbearer was Ceraphina)]]. While one could argue that [[spoiler: Brand, Dother and Aeber were corrupted by Lyblac]], it's still not the same thing as them being corrupted by their Ringbearers as the narration makes it out to be.
%%** Yourself, if you think about it. While up until the Bestower Saga our actions can feel justified, sparing [[CompleteMonster Tatloch, who is the most evil of the main story characters]] (fans joke [[AbusiveParents Fiore's mother]] is worse than Tatloch, but since she's a side character it doesn't count), instead of [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds the more sympathetic Oskha and Ceraphina]] (of course, after knocking ''a lot'' of sense in the two, as Oskha is extremely cynical and Ceraphina made a DealWithTheDevil) makes it feel like The Chosen One doesn't care about Orsterra. It doesn't help that The Chosen One doesn't seem to care for the quote-unquote "friends" they're allegedly saving, as the only time they show remorse for one of their deaths or sympathy to someone that survive because of one of said deaths is Elrica's, and even then, that was only temporary if Bestower of All is any indication. And the HeroicMime idea is thrown out of the window by the fact ''all travelers'' have spoken lines, even if only in Traveler Stories. Some people believe that, if The Chosen One had basic human decency, they'd have been the one to get fed up with the crimes humanity did in the name of desire instead of Sazantos.
