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* UnfortunateImplications: Due to the author not wanting to make other cultures 'descended from' European fae (see Trivia page), we end up in a San Francisco apparently devoid of Chinese or Hispanic characters.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Due to the author not wanting to make other cultures 'descended from' European fae (see Trivia page), we end up in a San Francisco apparently devoid of Chinese or Hispanic characters.characters, and the impression that only people of British descent get to have magical abilities.
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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first novel, ''Rosemary and Rue'' was praised by critics for its WorldBuilding and interesting cast of characters, it also received complaints of having too many {{InfoDump}}s, a weirdly slow pacing and Toby being a PinballProtagonist. The later novels would improve on this and give the series, a faster pacing, a well-crafted MythArc and deeper emotional resonance that would turn it into one of the most acclaimed UrbanFantasy book series. This improvement was first felt in the third novel, ''An Artificial Night'' which truly explored Toby's psyche and had much deeper stakes and emotional weight to it and was very well received as a result.
* HesJustHiding: ...Or not. The fae sometimes confuse death with a long nap. But that's [[JustifiedTrope justified]] given these are the people who put Rip Van Winkle to sleep, along with the fact that the purebloods are immortal.

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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first novel, ''Rosemary and Rue'' was praised by critics for its WorldBuilding and interesting cast of characters, it also received complaints of having too many {{InfoDump}}s, a weirdly slow pacing and Toby being a PinballProtagonist. The later novels would improve on this and give the series, a faster pacing, a well-crafted MythArc and deeper emotional resonance that would turn it into one of the most acclaimed UrbanFantasy book series. This improvement was first felt in the third novel, ''An Artificial Night'' which truly explored Toby's psyche and had much deeper stakes and emotional weight to it and was very well received well-received as a result.
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Or not. The fae sometimes confuse death with a long nap. But that's [[JustifiedTrope justified]] justified given these are the people who put Rip Van Winkle to sleep, along with the fact that the purebloods are immortal.



** In ''Ashes of Honor'', Toby finds herself kidnapped, with her hands bound by twine. However, thanks to her new super-healing powers, she can be a bit more cavalier with her own physical well-being... so she [[spoiler: scrapes her wrists against the walls until the twine breaks, scraping away a good portion of her actual wrists as well]]. Doubles as NauseaFuel!

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** In ''Ashes of Honor'', Toby finds herself kidnapped, with her hands bound by twine. However, thanks to her new super-healing powers, she can be a bit more cavalier with her own physical well-being... so she [[spoiler: scrapes her wrists against the walls until the twine breaks, scraping away a good portion of her actual wrists as well]]. Doubles as NauseaFuel!NauseaFuel!
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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild Blind Michael]], the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and painfully transform them into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael's abuse of said children is so severe that many break under the pressure and die as a result, with him than using the magic from their bones to fortify the powers within his land. Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of October "Toby" Daye to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, who he also regularly abuses, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.

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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild Blind Michael]], the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and painfully transform them into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael's abuse of said children is so severe that many break under the pressure and die as a result, with him than then using the magic from their bones to fortify the powers within his land. Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of October "Toby" Daye to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, who he also regularly abuses, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.
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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first novel, ''Rosemary and Rue'' was praised by critics for its WorldBuilding and interesting cast of characters, it also received complaints of having too many {{InfoDump}}s, a weirdly slow pacing and Toby being a PinballProtagonist. The later novels would improve on this and give the series, a faster pacing, a well-crafted MythArc and deeper emotional resonance that would turn it into one of the most acclaimed UrbanFantasy book series. This improvement was first felt in the third novel, ''An Artificial Night'' which truly explored Toby's psyche and had much deeper stakes and emotional weight to it.

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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first novel, ''Rosemary and Rue'' was praised by critics for its WorldBuilding and interesting cast of characters, it also received complaints of having too many {{InfoDump}}s, a weirdly slow pacing and Toby being a PinballProtagonist. The later novels would improve on this and give the series, a faster pacing, a well-crafted MythArc and deeper emotional resonance that would turn it into one of the most acclaimed UrbanFantasy book series. This improvement was first felt in the third novel, ''An Artificial Night'' which truly explored Toby's psyche and had much deeper stakes and emotional weight to it. it and was very well received as a result.
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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first novel, ''Rosemary and Rue'' was praised by critics for its WorldBuilding and interesting cast of characters, it also received complaints of having too many InfoDumps, a weirdly slow pacing and Toby being a PinballProtagonist. The later novels would improve on this and give the series, a faster pacing, a well-crafted MythArc and deeper emotional resonance that would turn it into one of the most acclaimed UrbanFantasy book series. This improvement was first felt in the third novel, ''An Artificial Night'' which truly explored Toby's psyche and had much deeper stakes and emotional weight to it.

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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first novel, ''Rosemary and Rue'' was praised by critics for its WorldBuilding and interesting cast of characters, it also received complaints of having too many InfoDumps, {{InfoDump}}s, a weirdly slow pacing and Toby being a PinballProtagonist. The later novels would improve on this and give the series, a faster pacing, a well-crafted MythArc and deeper emotional resonance that would turn it into one of the most acclaimed UrbanFantasy book series. This improvement was first felt in the third novel, ''An Artificial Night'' which truly explored Toby's psyche and had much deeper stakes and emotional weight to it.
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* GrowingTheBeard: While the first novel, ''Rosemary and Rue'' was praised by critics for its WorldBuilding and interesting cast of characters, it also received complaints of having too many InfoDumps, a weirdly slow pacing and Toby being a PinballProtagonist. The later novels would improve on this and give the series, a faster pacing, a well-crafted MythArc and deeper emotional resonance that would turn it into one of the most acclaimed UrbanFantasy book series. This improvement was first felt in the third novel, ''An Artificial Night'' which truly explored Toby's psyche and had much deeper stakes and emotional weight to it.
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* EvilIsSexy: Several antagonists in the series are described as quite attractive with [[spoiler:[[AllGirlsWantBadBoys Devin]]]], [[FaceOfAnAngelMindOfADemon Oleander de Merelands]], [[SharpDressedMan Simon Torquill]], [[AxCrazy Rayseline Torquill]], [[FauxAffablyEvil Treasa Riordan]], The [[spoiler:false]] [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen of the Mists]] , [[TallDarkAndHandsome King Rhys]] and [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Evening Winterrose]]]] being particular standouts.

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* EvilIsSexy: Several antagonists in the series are described as quite attractive with [[spoiler:[[AllGirlsWantBadBoys Devin]]]], [[FaceOfAnAngelMindOfADemon Oleander de Merelands]], [[SharpDressedMan Simon Torquill]], [[AxCrazy Rayseline Torquill]], [[FauxAffablyEvil Treasa Riordan]], The [[spoiler:false]] [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen of the Mists]] , [[TallDarkAndHandsome King Rhys]] and [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Evening Winterrose]]]] being particular standouts. As Toby herself once said gorgeous isn't uncommon for the fae and this is wholeheartedly expressed in its villains.
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* InformedAttribute: The Luidaeg doesn't really do anything that scary.

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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild Blind Michael]], the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and painfully transform them into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of October "Toby" Daye to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to forcefully make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.

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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild Blind Michael]], the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and painfully transform them into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael's abuse of said children is so severe that many break under the pressure and die as a result, with him than using the magic from their bones to fortify the powers within his land. Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of October "Toby" Daye to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to forcefully make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, who he also regularly abuses, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.
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* EvilIsSexy: Several antagonists in the series are described as quite attractive with [[spoiler:[[AllGirlsWantBadBoys Devin]]]], [[FaceOfAnAngelMindOfADemon Oleander de Merelands]], [[SharpDressedMan Simon Torquill]], [[AxCrazy Rayseline Torquill]], [[FauxAffablyEvil Treasa Riordan]], The [[spoiler:false]] [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen of the Mists]] , [[TallDarkAndHandsome King Rhys]] and [[spoiler:[[BitchInSheepsClothing Evening Winterrose]]]] being particular standouts.
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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild Blind Michael]] is the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, who has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and [[TransformationHorror painfully transform them]] into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of October "Toby" Daye to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to forcefully make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.

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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild Blind Michael]] is Michael]], the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, who has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and [[TransformationHorror painfully transform them]] them into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of October "Toby" Daye to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to forcefully make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.
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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild Blind Michael]] is the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, who has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and [[TransformationHorror painfully transform them]] into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of Toby to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to forcefully make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.

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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild Blind Michael]] is the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, who has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and [[TransformationHorror painfully transform them]] into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of Toby October "Toby" Daye to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to forcefully make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.
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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild]] Blind Michael is the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, who has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and [[TransformationHorror painfully transform them]] into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of Toby to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to forcefully make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.

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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild]] [[PsychopathicManchild Blind Michael Michael]] is the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, who has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and [[TransformationHorror painfully transform them]] into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of Toby to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to forcefully make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.

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** ''An Artificial Night'': [[PsychopathicManchild]] Blind Michael is the [[BigBad leader]] of TheWildHunt, who has his followers kidnap [[WouldHurtAChild children]] and [[TransformationHorror painfully transform them]] into his thralls. Reducing fae children to riders and humans into steeds for his army, Blind Michael kidnaps the nieces and nephews of Toby to force them to participate in his latest Hunt, trapping the consciousness of one niece and intending to forcefully make Toby his bride. When his plan is foiled, Blind Michael goes into a rage and takes it out on [[DomesticAbuse his current wife]], Acacia, scarring her with his knife and stating his intent to keep his current thralls under his draconian enslavement for eternity.
** ''Late Eclipses'': The assassin [[MasterPoisoner Oleander de Merelands]] is wanted for [[HistoricalRapSheet countless deaths over multiple kingdoms]], including the murder of former good-hearted king Gilead. Seeking revenge on Amandine for a previous slight, Oleander nearly kills her infant daughter. Years later she conspires with her pawn, Rayeslene, to have Toby take the fall for her misdeeds, gleeful that she would be executed for it. Oleander has a friend of Toby killed to frame her for it and later poisons the entire court of cats, killing many, including infants, while hoping Toby would take the fall for her crimes. Boasting her killings will [[FameThroughInfamy make her famous]] even after her death, Oleander makes one final attempt on Toby's life before being stopped.
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** There are also poisons which kill fae, and those are often mixed into elfshot so sleep of 100 years turns into forever...or until the Night Haunts come.



** In ''Ashes of Honor'', Toby finds herself kidnapped, with her hands bound by twine. However, thanks to her new super-healing powers, she can be a bit more cavalier with her own physical well-being... so she [[spoiler: scrapes her wrists against the walls until the twine breaks, scraping away a good portion of her actual wrists as well]]. Doubles as NauseaFuel!

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** In ''Ashes of Honor'', Toby finds herself kidnapped, with her hands bound by twine. However, thanks to her new super-healing powers, she can be a bit more cavalier with her own physical well-being... so she [[spoiler: scrapes her wrists against the walls until the twine breaks, scraping away a good portion of her actual wrists as well]]. Doubles as NauseaFuel!
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* CompleteMonster: Oleander de Merelands. She enjoys every single cruelty she commits, and is described as "one of the great monsters of Faerie".
** Blind Michael fits as well: Every hundred years, he steals lot of human and fae children. What he does to the fae kids, warping them into his Riders, is bad enough. What about the humans? They get turned into horses.
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** Blind Michael fits as well: Every hundred years, he steals lot of human and fae children. What he does to the fae kids, warping them into his Riders, is bad enough. What about the humans? They get turned into horses.
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: In the 3rd book, when Toby's friends [[spoiler:rescue her from Blind Michael's ride. Also YouAreNotAlone.]]



* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Quentin having to give up his first love in order to allow her to live a sane and peaceful life after what Blind Michael did to her.]]
** And in ''One Salt Sea'': [[spoiler: Toby having to give her daughter Gillian the Changeling's Choice, and because of past history, which choice Gillian makes]].
** "In Sea Salt Tears": Liz finally getting the opportunity to get a skin and go from kin to true selkie -- but at the cost of her lover [[spoiler: who turns out to have been the Luidaeg]].
** Re-reading ''An Artificial Night'' in the light of ''One Salt Sea'' - the Luidaeg [[spoiler: telling Toby to get rid of the children, claiming she [[BlatantLies can't stand kids]] ]]
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** In ''Ashes of Honor'', Toby finds herself kidnapped, with her hands bound by twine. However, thanks to her new super-healing powers, she can be a bit more cavalier with her own physical well-being... so she [[spoiler: scrapes her wrists against the walls until the twine breaks, scraping away a good portion of her actual wrists as well]].

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** In ''Ashes of Honor'', Toby finds herself kidnapped, with her hands bound by twine. However, thanks to her new super-healing powers, she can be a bit more cavalier with her own physical well-being... so she [[spoiler: scrapes her wrists against the walls until the twine breaks, scraping away a good portion of her actual wrists as well]]. Doubles as NauseaFuel!
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* NightmareFuel: Lots, especially if you're not fond of blood.
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: In the third book, when Toby's friends [[spoiler:rescue her from Blind Michael's ride. Also YouAreNotAlone.]]

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* CompleteMonster: Oleander de Merelands. She enjoys every single cruelty she commits, and is described as "one of the great monsters of Faerie".
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: In the third 3rd book, when Toby's friends [[spoiler:rescue her from Blind Michael's ride. Also YouAreNotAlone.]]
* FoeYay: According to Toby in book 1, she and [[spoiler: Tybalt]] have never gotten along when she was growing up, with her being a mere changeling, although [[spoiler: their current relationship hints at something else.
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** Don't forget elfshot, which puts purebloods to sleep for a hundred years if they're shot with it. Too bad it's usually fatal to anyone not a pureblood...which might be overlooked by some folks who shoot them.

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** Don't forget elfshot, Elfshot, which puts purebloods to sleep for a hundred years if they're shot with it. Too bad it's usually fatal to anyone not a pureblood...which might be overlooked by some folks who shoot them.
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** "In Sea Salt Tears": Liz finally getting the opportunity to get a skin and go from kin to true selkie -- but at the cost of her lover [[spoiler: who turns out to have been the Luidaeg]].

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** "In Sea Salt Tears": Liz finally getting the opportunity to get a skin and go from kin to true selkie -- but at the cost of her lover [[spoiler: who turns out to have been the Luidaeg]].Luidaeg]].
** Re-reading ''An Artificial Night'' in the light of ''One Salt Sea'' - the Luidaeg [[spoiler: telling Toby to get rid of the children, claiming she [[BlatantLies can't stand kids]] ]]
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** And in ''One Salt Sea'': [[spoiler: Toby having to give her daughter Gillian the Changeling's Choice, and because of past history, which choice Gillian makes]].

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** And in ''One Salt Sea'': [[spoiler: Toby having to give her daughter Gillian the Changeling's Choice, and because of past history, which choice Gillian makes]].makes]].
** "In Sea Salt Tears": Liz finally getting the opportunity to get a skin and go from kin to true selkie -- but at the cost of her lover [[spoiler: who turns out to have been the Luidaeg]].
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* HesJustHiding: ...Or not. The fae sometimes confuse death with a long nap. But that's [[JustifiedTrope justified]] given these are the people who put Rip Van Winkle to sleep, along with the fact that the purebloods are immortal.
** Don't forget elfshot, which puts purebloods to sleep for a hundred years if they're shot with it. Too bad it's usually fatal to anyone not a pureblood...which might be overlooked by some folks who shoot them.
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* InformedAttribute: The Luidaeg doesn't really do anything that scary.
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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Quentin having to give up his first love in order to allow her to live a sane and peaceful life after what Blind Michael did to her.]]

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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Quentin having to give up his first love in order to allow her to live a sane and peaceful life after what Blind Michael did to her.]]]]
** And in ''One Salt Sea'': [[spoiler: Toby having to give her daughter Gillian the Changeling's Choice, and because of past history, which choice Gillian makes]].
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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Quentin having to give up his first love in order to allow her to live a sane and peaceful life after what Blind Michael did to her.]]
* WallBanger: Not only is the pronunciation of {{Kitsune}} wrong, but there is no mention whatsoever of them being Japanese.
** The pronunciation is fixed from ''A Local Habitation'' onwards, and possibly newer editions of ''Rosemary And Rue''. The Kitsune being Japanese is also noted in ''A Local Habitation'' and ''An Artificial Night'', and in the latter functions as a hint as to [[spoiler:Luna's]] disguise.

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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Quentin having to give up his first love in order to allow her to live a sane and peaceful life after what Blind Michael did to her.]]
* WallBanger: Not only is the pronunciation of {{Kitsune}} wrong, but there is no mention whatsoever of them being Japanese.
** The pronunciation is fixed from ''A Local Habitation'' onwards, and possibly newer editions of ''Rosemary And Rue''. The Kitsune being Japanese is also noted in ''A Local Habitation'' and ''An Artificial Night'', and in the latter functions as a hint as to [[spoiler:Luna's]] disguise.
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* WallBanger: Not only is the pronunciation of {{Kitsune}} wrong, but there is no mention whatsoever of them being Japanese.

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* WallBanger: Not only is the pronunciation of {{Kitsune}} wrong, but there is no mention whatsoever of them being Japanese.Japanese.
** The pronunciation is fixed from ''A Local Habitation'' onwards, and possibly newer editions of ''Rosemary And Rue''. The Kitsune being Japanese is also noted in ''A Local Habitation'' and ''An Artificial Night'', and in the latter functions as a hint as to [[spoiler:Luna's]] disguise.
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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Quentin having to give up his first love in order to allow her to live a sane and peaceful life after what Blind Michael did to her.]]

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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Quentin having to give up his first love in order to allow her to live a sane and peaceful life after what Blind Michael did to her.]]]]
* WallBanger: Not only is the pronunciation of {{Kitsune}} wrong, but there is no mention whatsoever of them being Japanese.

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