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** To a degree, Celestia. Discord is one of the very few things that can [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness make Celestia display fear and worry in front of her subjects]], and he outclasses her and the Mane Six in both power and cunning. Yet this episode makes it seem she made the decision to free and reform him essentially on a whim with no deliberation, nor does she bother to set up some sort of backup plan in case Discord neutralizes the Elements like [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E1TheReturnOfHarmonyPart1 last time]].
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** To a degree, Celestia. Discord is one of the very few things that can [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness make Celestia display fear and worry in front of her subjects]], and he outclasses her and the Mane Six in both power and cunning. Yet this episode makes it seem she made the decision to free and reform him essentially on a whim with no deliberation, nor does she bother to set up some sort of backup plan in case Discord neutralizes the Elements like [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E1TheReturnOfHarmonyPart1 last time]].time]] (though she DOES make it so he can't just take them like last time).
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** Discord's last statement before being frozen again in "The Return of Harmony" was a sarcastic "''Friend me''". That's Fluttershy's plan this episode. [[spoiler: And it works, to the point of Discord admitting Friendship ''is'' Magic.]]
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** Discord's last statement before being frozen again in "The Return of Harmony" was a sarcastic "''Friend me''". That's Fluttershy's plan this episode. [[spoiler: And it works, to the point of Discord admitting Friendship ''is'' Magic.]]]] He also sarcastically states in "The Return of Harmony" that "maybe the magic of friendship can help you."
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** Furthermore, is this a good [[AnAesop lesson]]? How often has playing nice reformed RealLife enemies? It didn't work for [[WorldWarII Neville Chamberlain]].
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*** Would it have been a good lesson ''not'' to reform him? It's just not something you can really agree on, here.
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** Furthermore, is this a good [[AnAesop lesson]]? How often has playing nice reformed RealLife enemies? It didn't work for [[WorldWarII Neville Chamberlain]].
*** WouldChamberlain]]. But would it have been a good lesson ''not'' to reform him? It's just not something you can really agree on, here.There's no easy answer, it seems.
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*** Would it have been a good lesson ''not'' to reform him? It's just not something you can really agree on, here.
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** And on that note, did Fluttershy really want to become Discord's friend, or was she just manipulating him to get what she wanted? If the line, [[spoiler:"I'm just trying to gain his friendship any way I can so that he'll trust and listen to me!"]] is any indication.
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** To a degree, Celestia. Discord is one of the very few things that can [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness make Celestia display fear and worry in front of her subjects]], and he outclasses her and the Mane Six in both power and cunning. Yet this episode makes it seem she made the decision to free and reform him essentially on a whim with no deliberation, nor does she bother to set up some sort of backup plan in case Discord neutralizes the Elements like [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E1TheReturnOfHarmonyPart1 last time]].
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** Another complaint is that Celestia decides to redeem Discord seemingly on a whim. Seeing as [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness Discord is one of the few things that can make Celestia visibly worried in front of her subjects]], this is rather jarring.
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** Another complaint is that Celestia decides to redeem Discord seemingly on a whim. Seeing as [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness Discord is one of the few things that can make Celestia visibly worried in front of her subjects]], will readily admit to being scared of]], this is rather jarring.
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*** Furthermore, is this a good lesson? How often has playing nice reformed RealLife enemies? It didn't work for [[WorldWarII Neville Chamberlain]].
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** Furthermore, is this a good
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Was [[spoiler: Fluttershy]] pulling a XanatosGambit the whole time, [[spoiler: assuming her loyalty to Celestia trumped her promise to Discord and she would have used her Element on him if he didn't reform.]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Was [[spoiler: Fluttershy]] [[spoiler:Fluttershy]] pulling a XanatosGambit the whole time, [[spoiler: assuming her loyalty to Celestia trumped her promise to Discord and she would have used her Element on him if he didn't reform.]]reform?]]
*** Furthermore, is this a good lesson? How often has playing nice reformed RealLife enemies? It didn't work for [[WorldWarII Neville Chamberlain]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Not the whole reformation plotline, mind you. However, some fans who were hoping to learn about Discord's origins, or see him [[FoeYay interact with Celestia again]] felt somewhat let down that the episode was almost entirely focused on Discord and Fluttershy.
** With regards to the episode itself, people were expecting to see Discord try juggling his usual chaos with still being Fluttershy's friend, perhaps trying to convert her to his way of life, but the story just comes to an abrupt end instead of going anywhere with that.
** With regards to the episode itself, people were expecting to see Discord try juggling his usual chaos with still being Fluttershy's friend, perhaps trying to convert her to his way of life, but the story just comes to an abrupt end instead of going anywhere with that.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Not the whole reformation plotline, mind you. However, some fans who were hoping to learn about Discord's origins, origins or see him [[FoeYay interact with Celestia again]] felt somewhat let down that the episode was almost entirely focused on Discord and Fluttershy.
** Withregards regard to the episode itself, people were expecting to see Discord try juggling his usual chaos with still being Fluttershy's friend, perhaps trying to convert her to his way of life, but the story just comes to an abrupt end instead of going anywhere with that.
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That was long ago and many already felt he redeemed himself in the following Fluttershy episode.
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** The complaint comes down to many fans feeling that Discord stops at the end simple because Fluttershy asks him to, without sufficient buildup for why Fluttershy matters that much to him.
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* AcceptableTarget: Angel. Most fluttershy fans were pleased to see him maltreated probably because of his behaviour in ''Putting your hoof down''.
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** Celestia said she found a use for Discord's magic, hence why she went about trying to get him reformed. Fanfic writers should have a field day working out whatever that use may be.
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** The complaint comes down to many fans feeling that Discord stops at the end simple because Fluttershy asks him to, without sufficient buildup for why Fluttershy matters that much to him.
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** Fan videos involving Discord singing "[[Disney/{{Aladdin}} You're Only Second Rate]]" are now all the more humorous at the lyric "Granny's gonna grab ya."
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This trope itself is not YMMV, but the fact that a character \'may\' have used it is. This fits under Alternate Character Interpretation
*AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Was [[spoiler: Fluttershy]] pulling a XanatosGambit the whole time, [[spoiler: assuming her loyalty to Celestia trumped her promise to Discord and she would have used her Element on him if he didn't reform.]]
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* XanatosGambit: [[spoiler: Fluttershy]] may have pulled one, [[spoiler: assuming her loyalty to Celestia trumped her promise to Discord and she would have used her Element on him if he didn't reform.]]
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* XanatosGambit: [[spoiler: Fluttershy]] may have pulled one, [[spoiler: assuming her loyalty to Celestia trumped her promise to Discord and she would have used her Element on him if he didn't reform.]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Not the whole reformation plotline, mind you. However, some fans who were hoping to learn about Discord's origins, or see him [[FoeYay interact with Celestia again]] felt somewhat let down that the episode was almost entirely focused on Discord and Fluttershy.
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** Discord's last statement before being frozen again in "The Return of Harmony" was a sarcastic "''Friend me''". That's Fluttershy's plan this episode. [[spoiler: And it works, to the point of Discord admitting Friendship ''is'' Magic.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: Reforming Discord was an unusually common FandomSpecificPlot for bronies, and the show's premise makes it a canon concept at the very least.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Reforming Discord was an unusually common FandomSpecificPlot for bronies, Every fanbase has their fanfics about [[DracoInLeatherPants reforming major villains]], and the show's premise makes it a [[spoiler:it's now canon concept at the very least.for Discord]].
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Um...what?
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* CanonSue: Fluttershy had [[CommonMarySueTraits shades of this]] before, but it's really prevalent in this episode.
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* CanonSue: Fluttershy had [[CommonMarySueTraits shades of this]] before, but it's really prevalent in this episode.
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** Ironically, [[Fanfic/BrokenSpirit one of them had Fluttershy be the redeemer.]]
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* ItsShortSoItSucks: A lot of bronies complain that the episode was way too rushed and needed to be fleshed out more, as seen in the BrokenBase example.
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* FanficFuel: [[spoiler:Now that [[HeelFaceTurn reformed]] Discord is officially canon, that ought to be quite useful to fanfic writers.]]
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* FanficFuel: [[spoiler:Now that [[HeelFaceTurn reformed]] Discord is officially canon, that ought to be quite useful to fanfic writers.]]