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** In the original Japanese, [[{{Gonk}} Ebisu]] is compared to a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daruma_doll Daruma doll]]. In the dub, Ebisu is referred to as a "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Potato_Head potato head]]," a more easily understandable reference.

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** In the original Japanese, [[{{Gonk}} Ebisu]] is compared to a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daruma_doll Daruma doll]]. In the dub, Ebisu is referred to as a "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Potato_Head potato head]]," a more easily understandable reference.reference that fits with Muhyo and Roji being called an "onion" and a "bean sprout," respectively.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ghost of Zansetsu Hirata is told that his life circumstances don't justify him taking others' forms to complete his book series, and he ends up being sent to hell to it, and the fact that he's articulate is supposed to (albeit counterintuitively) show that he's one of the more AxCrazy ghosts. However, the fact that Zansetsu realizes that what he's done is wrong, that he never directly harms anyone(he only takes Nana "hostage" so she can help him write), and his tragic backstory and friendship with Yontani cause him to come off as somewhat more sympathetic than was intended.

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** It's possible to infer that some of Goryo's issues come from having AbusiveParents. Muhyo mentions that the Goryo group became corrupt in the last generation, which would have been when Goryo's parents were in charge, and mentions that they could be ruthless even to family members. Goryo laughing at the ghost of the woman who went insane with grief after her daughter's death may be less of a KickTheDog moment that shows his LackOfEmpathy, and more because his own parents regarded their own spouse(s) and child(ren) as replaceable, and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood he can't imagine any parents who think otherwise]].

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** It's possible to infer that some of Goryo's issues come from having AbusiveParents. Muhyo mentions that the Goryo group became corrupt in the last previous generation, which would have been when Goryo's parents were in charge, and mentions that they could be ruthless even to family members. Goryo laughing at the ghost of the woman who went insane with grief after her daughter's death may be less of a KickTheDog moment that shows his LackOfEmpathy, and more because his own parents regarded their own spouse(s) and child(ren) as replaceable, and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood he can't imagine any parents who think otherwise]].



* {{Wangst}}: Roji often whines about his inadequacy compared to Muhyo and/or that Muhyo doesn't teach him anything throughout the first two seasons of the anime/first six volumes of the manga. Thankfully, most of the people he talks with about this [[QuitYourWhining tell him to get over himself]]. After [[spoiler:Muhyo puts him on leave so he can figure out the answer on his own]], Roji [[CharacterDevelopment does some soul-searching]] and [[TookALevelInBadass emerges with greater self-confidence and competence.]]



* {{Woolseyism}}: In the aftermath of the first battle with Enchu, Nana, angry that [[UngratefulBastard some of the MLS executors are blaming Muhyo for Enchu's attack(which Muhyo had helped stop)]] makes a pun about Enchu's name when talking about him. In the localization of the manga, she says, "Enchu, Shmenchu, whatever his name is, he blows," another play on Enchu's name.

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** Rio gets sexually harassed by her male Executor colleagues and bullied by her female colleagues, which she puts up with in order to help her mother. [[spoiler:When her mother gets attacked by a spirit, Rio is unable to save her due to lacking any magical power of her own, and goes to get someone to sentence the ghost, but no one helps her. Rio ends up doing a FaceHeelTurn, but quickly becomes overwhelmed with guilt, especially after realizing, too late, that her student Biko was there for her.]]
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In the aftermath of the first battle with Enchu, Nana, angry that [[UngratefulBastard some of the MLS executors are blaming Muhyo for Enchu's attack(which Muhyo had helped stop)]] makes a pun about Enchu's name when talking about him. In the localization of the manga, she says, "Enchu, Shmenchu, whatever his name is, he blows," another play on Enchu's name.name.
** In the flashback to Rio's mother's death, the dub replaces Rio [[AsYouKnow reminding Elena that only Executors can sentence spirits]] with Rio pleading with Elena by saying "Only your Magical law" can help her mother, coming off as an appeal to Elena's ego.
** In the original Japanese, [[{{Gonk}} Ebisu]] is compared to a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daruma_doll Daruma doll]]. In the dub, Ebisu is referred to as a "[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Potato_Head potato head]]," a more easily understandable reference.
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** How many of [[spoiler:Rio's]] seemingly helpful actions during the Arcanum arc were [[PragmaticVillainy meant to keep her cover intact]] and how many were genuine? On the one hand, she claims that she didn't expect her giving advice and encouragement to Roji would help him pull through against Face-Ripper Sophie, and is willing to fight against the heroes. On the other hand, she ends up blowing her cover to save Biko's life from Sophie[[note]]More specifically, from shards of broken glass, which reminds her of the time she shielded Biko from the explosion[[/note]], when it would have been safer to let Biko die. Even after she's outed as a traitor, [[spoiler:as well as after her HeelFaceTurn]], the question isn't conclusively answered.

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** How many of [[spoiler:Rio's]] seemingly helpful actions during the Arcanum arc were [[PragmaticVillainy meant to keep her cover intact]] and how many were genuine? On the one hand, she claims that she didn't expect her giving advice and encouragement to Roji would help him pull through against Face-Ripper Sophie, and is willing to fight against the heroes. On the other hand, she ends up blowing her cover to save Biko's life from Sophie[[note]]More specifically, from shards of broken glass, which reminds her of the time she shielded Biko from the explosion[[/note]], when it would have been safer to let Biko die.die, and all but confesses her FaceHeelTurn when she believes Sophie might kill her. Even after she's outed as a traitor, [[spoiler:as well as after her HeelFaceTurn]], the question isn't conclusively answered.
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** It's possible to infer that some of Goryo's issues come from having AbusiveParents. Muhyo mentions that the Goryo group became corrupt in the last generation, which would have been when Goryo's parents were in charge, and mentions that they could be ruthless even to family members. Goryo laughing at the ghost of the woman who went insane with grief after her daughter's death may be less of a KickTheDog moment that shows his LackOfEmpathy, and more because his own parents regarded their own spouse(s) and child(ren) as replaceable, and he can't imagine any parents who think otherwise.

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** It's possible to infer that some of Goryo's issues come from having AbusiveParents. Muhyo mentions that the Goryo group became corrupt in the last generation, which would have been when Goryo's parents were in charge, and mentions that they could be ruthless even to family members. Goryo laughing at the ghost of the woman who went insane with grief after her daughter's death may be less of a KickTheDog moment that shows his LackOfEmpathy, and more because his own parents regarded their own spouse(s) and child(ren) as replaceable, and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood he can't imagine any parents who think otherwise.otherwise]].
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** [[EvilTeacher Tomas]] is a former MLS teacher who is wanted for several crimes such as abduction and identity forging. Joining the aforementioned ARK so that he could become immortal, it was revealed that Tomas had a penchant for [[CollectorOfTheStrange collecting countless things]], including human souls, that he kept in his collections while [[AndIMustScream keeping their consciousness intact]], leaving them in constant torment. When ARK members made their move by burning one of the Executor's headquarters, Tomas wastes no time to kidnap said Executor and tortures him with a worm that could turn him into a ghost. When Muhyo and his companions tries to save said Executor, Tomas uses the latter and all of his collections as a personal weapon to attack Muhyo and his companions. Seemingly defeated, he then gained a new body granted by his envoy, planning to use said new body to fulfill his obsession of collecting pretty things in the world.

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** [[EvilTeacher Tomas]] is a former MLS teacher who is wanted for several crimes such as abduction and identity forging. Joining the aforementioned ARK so that he could become immortal, it was revealed that Tomas had a penchant for [[CollectorOfTheStrange collecting countless things]], including human souls, that he kept in his collections while [[AndIMustScream keeping their consciousness intact]], leaving them in constant torment. When ARK members made their move by burning one of the Executor's headquarters, Tomas wastes no time to kidnap said Executor and tortures him with a worm that could turn him into a ghost. When Muhyo and his companions tries to save said Executor, Tomas uses the latter and all of his collections as a personal weapon to attack Muhyo and his companions. Seemingly defeated, he then gained a new body granted by his envoy, planning to use said new body to fulfill his obsession of collecting pretty things in the world.

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** It can be inferred that some of Goryo's issues come from having AbusiveParents. Muhyo mentions that the Goryo group became corrupt in the last generation, which would have been when Goryo's parents were in charge, and mentions that they could be ruthless even to family members. Goryo laughing at the ghost of the woman who went insane with grief after her daughter's death may be less of a KickTheDog moment that shows his LackOfEmpathy, and more because his own parents regarded their own spouse(s) and child(ren) as replaceable, and he can't imagine any parents who think otherwise.

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** It can be inferred How many of [[spoiler:Rio's]] seemingly helpful actions during the Arcanum arc were [[PragmaticVillainy meant to keep her cover intact]] and how many were genuine? On the one hand, she claims that she didn't expect her giving advice and encouragement to Roji would help him pull through against Face-Ripper Sophie, and is willing to fight against the heroes. On the other hand, she ends up blowing her cover to save Biko's life from Sophie[[note]]More specifically, from shards of broken glass, which reminds her of the time she shielded Biko from the explosion[[/note]], when it would have been safer to let Biko die. Even after she's outed as a traitor, [[spoiler:as well as after her HeelFaceTurn]], the question isn't conclusively answered.
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that some of Goryo's issues come from having AbusiveParents. Muhyo mentions that the Goryo group became corrupt in the last generation, which would have been when Goryo's parents were in charge, and mentions that they could be ruthless even to family members. Goryo laughing at the ghost of the woman who went insane with grief after her daughter's death may be less of a KickTheDog moment that shows his LackOfEmpathy, and more because his own parents regarded their own spouse(s) and child(ren) as replaceable, and he can't imagine any parents who think otherwise.otherwise.
** In Volume 7 of the manga, Ebisu not only defends Goryo's actions (including firing Ebisu), but doesn't even know what Roji's talking about when he asks about the "bad things" Ebisu did for Goryo. Is this because he, as a former runaway child thief, does not posses a working moral compass? Is it because [[MyMasterRightOrWrong he sympathizes with his savior/master Goryo enough to not question him]]? Or is it some combination of the two?

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** It can be inferred that some of Goryo's issues come from having AbusiveParents. Muhyo mentions that the Goryo group became corrupt in the last generation, which would have been when Goryo's parents were in charge. Goryo laughing at the ghost of the woman who went insane with grief after her daughter's death may be less of a KickTheDog moment that shows his LackOfEmpathy, and more because his own parents regarded their own spouse(s) and child(ren) as replaceable, and he can't imagine any parents who think otherwise.

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** It can be inferred that some of Goryo's issues come from having AbusiveParents. Muhyo mentions that the Goryo group became corrupt in the last generation, which would have been when Goryo's parents were in charge.charge, and mentions that they could be ruthless even to family members. Goryo laughing at the ghost of the woman who went insane with grief after her daughter's death may be less of a KickTheDog moment that shows his LackOfEmpathy, and more because his own parents regarded their own spouse(s) and child(ren) as replaceable, and he can't imagine any parents who think otherwise.


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* ViewerGenderConfusion:
** Imai has a deep and somewhat masculine voice, short hair, and a flat chest, and wears trousers, so one could be forgiven for mistaking her for a man.
** Goryo wears miko robes, has long hair, and uses the feminine pronoun ''atashi'' to refer to himself. He has a masculine name that ends in -maru, but he's exclusively referred to by his [[LastNameBasis surname]] or title. Unfortunately, this led to Funimation subs sometimes referring to him as a woman.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: When Elena chided Rio for selling her magical law artifacts to "lechers," was she simply bullying Rio(possibly out of jealousy for the younger woman's appearance), or was she trying to get her to stop associating with people like Zoucheng?

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When Elena chided Rio for selling her magical law artifacts to "lechers," was she simply bullying Rio(possibly out of jealousy for the younger woman's appearance), or was she trying to get her to stop associating with people like Zoucheng?Zoucheng?
** It can be inferred that some of Goryo's issues come from having AbusiveParents. Muhyo mentions that the Goryo group became corrupt in the last generation, which would have been when Goryo's parents were in charge. Goryo laughing at the ghost of the woman who went insane with grief after her daughter's death may be less of a KickTheDog moment that shows his LackOfEmpathy, and more because his own parents regarded their own spouse(s) and child(ren) as replaceable, and he can't imagine any parents who think otherwise.
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* GrowingTheBeard: After the filler arc, [[spoiler: once Rio is revealed to be a traitor]]

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* GrowingTheBeard: After While the filler arc, [[spoiler: once Rio story starts out with MonsterOfTheWeek chapters in which Muhyo and Roji deal with various spirits, as well as a short arc introducing [[BigBad Enchu]], the story really picks up in the Arcanum Arc, in which [[spoiler:Rio is revealed to be a traitor]]traitor]] and the story shifts to the fight against Enchu and his allies.
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* {{Narm}}: In the flashback in the first episode, there's Taeko's cause of death. After Rie rebuffs Taeko's attempt to hold her hand while trying to board a train with the other volleyball girls, she forcefully pushes Taeko back. Taeko stumbles back all the way across the platform and falls onto the train tracks on the opposite side... and a train hits her ''[[ContrivedCoincidence when she's in mid-air]].'' It's simultaneously tragic and ridiculous.



** Panza: She's bullied at school, essentially abandoned by her parents after she applies for MLS, and fails to become Muhyo's assistant, leaving her with nowhere to go. [[spoiler:True to form, Teeki targets her when she's at her lowest point and turns her to his side.]]

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** Panza: She's bullied at school, essentially abandoned by her parents after she applies for MLS, and fails to become Muhyo's assistant, leaving her with nowhere to go. [[spoiler:True to form, Teeki targets her when she's at her lowest point and turns her to his side.]]]]
** Biko in the Arcanum arc. She, an artificer who's responsible for making wards and other magical tools, believes that her wards failed, resulting in three people dying. The truth is even worse- [[spoiler:her beloved teacher Rio was the one who pulled off the wards]].
* {{Woolseyism}}: In the aftermath of the first battle with Enchu, Nana, angry that [[UngratefulBastard some of the MLS executors are blaming Muhyo for Enchu's attack(which Muhyo had helped stop)]] makes a pun about Enchu's name when talking about him. In the localization of the manga, she says, "Enchu, Shmenchu, whatever his name is, he blows," another play on Enchu's name.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: When Elena chided Rio for selling her magical law artifacts to "lechers," was she simply bullying Rio(possibly out of jealousy for the younger woman's appearance), or was she trying to get her to stop associating with people like Zoucheng?


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** [[AssholeVictim Executors Zoucheng and Elena]] crossed this when they [[MurderByInaction refused to help save Rio's mother for petty reasons]].

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