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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The reason Tally's mother was able to get her a legal exemption from conscription (which Tally refused to take advantage of) is that so many of their family had been killed in battle that their matriline could die out if Tally was killed. But these family members are only briefly mentioned in the pilot episode; we could have been shown Tally and her mother remembering and mourning them at various points in the series and the deaths of family could have served as a personal reason for Tally to want to fight the Spree.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The reason Tally's mother was able to get her a legal exemption from conscription (which Tally refused to take advantage of) is that so many of their family had been killed in battle that their matriline could die out if Tally was were killed. But these family members are only briefly mentioned in the pilot episode; we could have been shown Tally and her mother remembering and mourning them at various points in the series and the deaths of family could have served as a personal reason for Tally to want to fight the Spree.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: The GrandFinale involves [[spoiler: a world-spanning WHOOSH that apparently turns all humans into witches and (permanently?) covers the sky with weird glowing lights.]] This does not serve as an obvious resolution to ''any'' of the ongoing plot issues and seems like it would more likely cause worldwide panic and [[InferredHolocaust mass casualties]] as frightened people lashed out with powers they did not know how to control. [[spoiler: Even if we assume that being made witches somehow causes all the Camarilla members to accept their new status peacefully and stop persecuting witches for being witches, witch-on-witch violence has been extremely common in the setting from the beginning. More magic could easily just mean wars escalating.]]

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* EsotericHappyEnding: The GrandFinale involves [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a world-spanning WHOOSH that apparently turns all humans into witches and (permanently?) covers the sky with weird glowing lights.]] This does not serve as an obvious resolution to ''any'' of the ongoing plot issues and seems like it would more likely cause worldwide panic and [[InferredHolocaust mass casualties]] as frightened people lashed out with powers they did not know how to control. [[spoiler: Even if we assume that being made witches somehow causes all the Camarilla members to accept their new status peacefully and stop persecuting witches for being witches, witch-on-witch violence has been extremely common in the setting from the beginning. More magic could easily just mean wars escalating.]]



* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: The season 1 finale leaves [[spoiler:Abigail and Raelle stranded in China having nearly died, Tally as one of Alder's biddies, and Raelle and Scylla's relationship in tatters. Most of this was swiftly resolved in season 2.]].

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: The season 1 finale leaves [[spoiler:Abigail and Raelle stranded in China having nearly died, Tally as one of Alder's biddies, and Raelle and Scylla's relationship in tatters. Most of this was swiftly resolved in season 2.]].2]].
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* FanPreferredCouple: Tally Craven ultimately ends the series with Gregorio Shellbark and has a relationship with Gerit Buttonwood in Season 1, but most fans prefer to pair her with Sarah Alder. This mainly started when Season 2 had Tally become temporarily infatuated with Alder after being psychically linked to her. Though this went nowhere in the show, fans took and ran with it. This is not helped by many fans feeling that Tally had better chemistry with Alder than either of her male love interests. For example, on Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, Tally/Alder has over 900 fanfics while both Tally/Gerit and Tally/Gregorio aren't even close to cracking 100. Also not helped by the actresses playing it up, calling each other wives, posting kiss photos, etc.

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* FanPreferredCouple: Tally Craven ultimately ends the series with Gregorio Shellbark and has a relationship with Gerit Buttonwood in Season 1, but most fans prefer to pair her with Sarah Alder. This mainly started when Season 2 had Tally become temporarily infatuated with Alder after being psychically linked to her. Though this went nowhere in the show, fans took and ran with it. This is not helped by many fans feeling that Tally had better chemistry with Alder than either of her male love interests. For example, on Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, Tally/Alder has over 900 1000 fanfics while both Tally/Gerit and Tally/Gregorio aren't even close to cracking 100. Also not helped by the actresses playing it up, calling each other wives, posting kiss photos, etc.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Raelle starts out with a [[DeathSeeker death wish]] over her mother dying, indicating depression and also possibly PTSD. She also has a fairly flat affect initially, showing little emotion. However, later she gets over this and it turns out she's a naturally reserved, quiet person outside situations that stir strong feelings.

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* FanPreferredCouple: Tally Craven ultimately ends the series with Gregorio Shellbark and has a relationship with Gerit Buttonwood in Season 1, but most fans prefer to pair her with Sarah Alder. This mainly started when Season 2 had Tally become temporarily infatuated with Alder after being psychically linked to her. Though this went nowhere in the show, fans took and ran with it. This is not helped by many fans feeling that Tally had better chemistry with Alder than either of her male love interests. For example, on Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, Tally/Alder has over 900 fanfics while both Tally/Gerit and Tally/Gregorio aren't even close to cracking 100.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: The GrandFinale involves [[spoiler: a world-spanning WHOOSH that apparently turns all humans into witches and (permanently?) covers the sky with weird glowing lights.]] This does not serve as an obvious resolution to ''any'' of the ongoing plot issues and seems like it would more likely cause worldwide panic and [[InferredHolocaust mass casualties]] as frightened people lashed out with powers they did not know how to control. [[spoiler: Even if we assume that being made witches somehow causes all the Camarilla members to accept their new status peacefully and stop persecuting witches for being witches, witch-on-witch violence has been extremely common in the setting from the beginning. More magic could easily just mean wars escalating.]]
* FanPreferredCouple: Tally Craven ultimately ends the series with Gregorio Shellbark and has a relationship with Gerit Buttonwood in Season 1, but most fans prefer to pair her with Sarah Alder. This mainly started when Season 2 had Tally become temporarily infatuated with Alder after being psychically linked to her. Though this went nowhere in the show, fans took and ran with it. This is not helped by many fans feeling that Tally had better chemistry with Alder than either of her male love interests. For example, on Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, Tally/Alder has over 900 fanfics while both Tally/Gerit and Tally/Gregorio aren't even close to cracking 100. Also not helped by the actresses playing it up, calling each other wives, posting kiss photos, etc.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The reason Tally's mother was able to get her a legal exemption from conscription (which Tally refused to take advantage of) is that so many of their family had been killed in battle that their matriline could die out if Tally was killed. But these family members are only briefly mentioned in the pilot episode; we could have been shown Tally and her mother remembering and mourning them at various points and the deaths of family could have served as a personal reason for Tally to want to fight the Spree.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The reason Tally's mother was able to get her a legal exemption from conscription (which Tally refused to take advantage of) is that so many of their family had been killed in battle that their matriline could die out if Tally was killed. But these family members are only briefly mentioned in the pilot episode; we could have been shown Tally and her mother remembering and mourning them at various points in the series and the deaths of family could have served as a personal reason for Tally to want to fight the Spree.
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** Tally Craven and Sarah Alder are usually referred to as "Talder" by shippers.

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** Tally Craven and Sarah Alder are usually referred to as "Talder" by shippers.shippers.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The reason Tally's mother was able to get her a legal exemption from conscription (which Tally refused to take advantage of) is that so many of their family had been killed in battle that their matriline could die out if Tally was killed. But these family members are only briefly mentioned in the pilot episode; we could have been shown Tally and her mother remembering and mourning them at various points and the deaths of family could have served as a personal reason for Tally to want to fight the Spree.
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** The Spree as a whole also have this going on. Some fans state that the Spree are completely right in their cause and that the entire military is evil despite the fact that at the end of the day, many of the witches are just soldiers doing their job. Even when the Spree's mass murders come into question, the excuse is usually that "the ends justify the means" or more disturbingly that the victims deserve their fate due to the loss of witch life now and from the persecution 300 years ago. The showrunner and several of the actors on the show have stated that while the Spree's cause is just, it in no way justifies their murders.

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** The Spree as a whole also have this going on. Some fans state that the Spree are completely right in their cause and that the entire military is evil despite the fact that at the end of the day, many of the witches are just soldiers doing their job. Even when the Spree's mass murders come into question, the excuse is usually that "the ends justify the means" or more disturbingly that the victims deserve their fate due to the loss of witch life now and from the persecution 300 years ago. The showrunner and several of the actors on the show have stated that while the Spree's cause of ending conscription is just, it in no way justifies their murders.
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** The Spree also have this going on. Some fans state that the Spree are completely right in their cause and that the entire military is evil despite the fact that at the end of the day, many of the witches are just soldiers doing their job. Even when the Spree's mass murders come into question, the excuse is usually that "the ends justify the means" or more disturbingly that the victims deserve their fate due to the loss of witch life now and from the persecution 300 years ago. The showrunner and several of the actors on the show have stated that while the Spree's cause is just, it in no way justifies their murders.

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** The Spree as a whole also have this going on. Some fans state that the Spree are completely right in their cause and that the entire military is evil despite the fact that at the end of the day, many of the witches are just soldiers doing their job. Even when the Spree's mass murders come into question, the excuse is usually that "the ends justify the means" or more disturbingly that the victims deserve their fate due to the loss of witch life now and from the persecution 300 years ago. The showrunner and several of the actors on the show have stated that while the Spree's cause is just, it in no way justifies their murders.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Tally Craven ultimately ends the series with Gregorio Shellbark and has a relationship with Gerit Buttonwood in Season 1, but most fans prefer to pair her with Sarah Alder. This mainly started when Season 2 had Tally become temporarily infatuated with Alder after being psychically linked. Though this went nowhere in the show, fans took and ran with it. This is not helped by many fans feeling that Tally had better chemistry with Alder than either of her male love interests. For example, on Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, Tally/Alder has over 900 fanfics while both Tally/Gerit and Tally/Gregorio aren't even close to cracking 100.

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* FanPreferredCouple: Tally Craven ultimately ends the series with Gregorio Shellbark and has a relationship with Gerit Buttonwood in Season 1, but most fans prefer to pair her with Sarah Alder. This mainly started when Season 2 had Tally become temporarily infatuated with Alder after being psychically linked.linked to her. Though this went nowhere in the show, fans took and ran with it. This is not helped by many fans feeling that Tally had better chemistry with Alder than either of her male love interests. For example, on Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, Tally/Alder has over 900 fanfics while both Tally/Gerit and Tally/Gregorio aren't even close to cracking 100.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Tally Craven ultimately ends the series with Gregorio Shellbark and has a relationship with Gerit Buttonwood in Season 1, but most fans prefer to pair her with Sarah Alder. This mainly started when Season 2 had Tally become temporarily infatuated with Alder after being psychically linked. Though this went nowhere in the show, fans took and ran with it. This is not helped by many fans feeling that Tally had better chemistry with Alder than either of her male love interests. For example, on Website/ArchiveOfOurOwn, Tally/Alder has over 900 fanfics while both Tally/Gerit and Tally/Gregorio aren't even close to cracking 100.
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** Tally Craven and Sarah Adler are usually referred to as "Tadler" by shippers.

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** Tally Craven and Sarah Adler Alder are usually referred to as "Tadler" "Talder" by shippers.

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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Raelle and Scylla are often called "Raella" or "Raylla" among fans.

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Raelle and Scylla are often called "Raella" or "Raylla" among fans.fans.
** Tally Craven and Sarah Adler are usually referred to as "Tadler" by shippers.
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* CatharsisFactor: The awesomeness of watching [[spoiler:President Wade]] BitchSlap Silver after all his deeds (use his own daughter to spread Witchplague through Fort Salem, conspire to assassinate the President, and frame the Bellweather unit for the former two events).
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Unfortunately, MEH requires the character be irredeemable, while Alder is treated like a morally gray character, particularly following her becoming one with the Mycellium.


* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Alder sends the cadets to intercept and destroy trucks with civilian hostages inside, resulting in the death of Libba Swythe and injuries to other cadets. Then Alder goes on TV and proclaims that the trucks were destroyed in a suicide bombing by the Spree.]]
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To be BLAM, a scene has to have no explanation and no relevance to the larger plot, whereas the dance from "Hail Beltane" is very explicitly explained as one of the rituals, and leads directly to Tally having her first love interest and losing her virginity, so it's not an inconsequential sequence.


* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The dance scene in "Hail Beltane" when everyone present dances in sync with no explanation.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The dance scene in "Hail Beltane" when everyone present dances in sync with no explanation.
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* LGBTFanbase: Due to having two queer female leading characters, and their relationship being a continuing arc, the show is quite popular in the LGBT+ community. Creator/showrunner Eliot Laurence being openly gay may also help (he's of course behind it being so queer themed).

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* LGBTFanbase: Due to having two queer female leading characters, and their relationship being a continuing arc, the show is quite popular in the LGBT+ community. Creator/showrunner Eliot Laurence being openly gay may also help (he's of course behind it being so queer themed).queer-themed).
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* FoeYayShipping: Abigail and Libba may hate each other with a vengeance, but this has not stopped some fans from shipping them together.
* LesYay: In the first episode, Raelle teases the virginal Tally that she'll show Tally her witch's mark once they get to know each other better. This is after mentioning that her witch's mark happens to be an inch away from her vagina. The very next episode, Tally is ''very'' excited to find out that Raelle is a lesbian. Later in the season, "Hail Beltane" ends with Tally nuzzling Abigail, and "Up is Down" sees Tally cradling a weakened Raelle in her arms and kissing her forehead and cheek.

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* FoeYayShipping: Abigail and Libba may hate each other with a vengeance, but this has not stopped some fans from shipping them together.
together. [[spoiler:Abigail herself is heartbroken when Libba is killed towards the end of season 1.]]
* LesYay: In the first episode, Raelle teases the virginal Tally that she'll show Tally her witch's mark once they get to know each other better. This is after mentioning that her witch's mark happens to be an inch away from her vagina. The very next episode, Tally is ''very'' excited to find out that Raelle is a lesbian. Later in the season, "Hail Beltane" ends with Tally nuzzling Abigail, and "Up is Down" sees Tally cradling a weakened Raelle in her arms and kissing her forehead and cheek. The season 2 episode "My 3 Dads" adds fuel to the fire, with Raelle bringing Tally home with her to meet her dad, and later singing a song to her.



* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: The season 1 finale leaves [[spoiler: Abigail and Raelle stranded in China having nearly died, Tally as one of Alder's biddies, and Raelle and Scylla's relationship in tatters. It's pretty obvious based on [[WordofGod the showrunner's comments]] that this will all be rectified in the next season]].

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: The season 1 finale leaves [[spoiler: Abigail [[spoiler:Abigail and Raelle stranded in China having nearly died, Tally as one of Alder's biddies, and Raelle and Scylla's relationship in tatters. It's pretty obvious based on [[WordofGod the showrunner's comments]] that Most of this will all be rectified was swiftly resolved in the next season]].season 2.]].
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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Raelle and Scylla are often called "Raella" or "Raylla" among fans.
* WhatAnIdiot:
** The Camarilla agents who have just killed Charvel are hiding in the room when Abigail walks in.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to wait for her to leave due to the risk of attacking her and leave when the balloons provide a distraction, which was presumably the plan in the first place.\\
'''Instead:''' They attack and try to kill her in a gruesome and slow manner.\\
'''Result:''' Petra finds Abigail and the two beat the shit out of the assassins, forcing them to kill themselves to avoid capture.
** Alder and her generals find out that the Spree have two trucks full of bombs and the only ones close enough to stop them are the witches at Citydrop.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to send the fully trained soldiers that are already there.\\
'''Instead:''' They send the cadets (who are on their final training mission) to stop them.\\
'''Result:''' They are successful, but it results in the deaths of Libba Swythe and a truck full of hostages.
** The President plans to retire Alder due to Scylla being kept prisoner without her knowledge.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For her to rethink this decision since Alder has been in charge of the military for ''300 years'' and is the only leader the American witches have ever had. On top of that, they are in the middle of a war with ''terrorists.''\\
'''Instead:''' She makes the decision in a single day, not worried about how this could affect the military and America at large.\\
'''Result:''' Alder, who is in danger of losing the very thing that defines her, "puppets" her into giving her unlimited power.
** The Camarilla are waiting for the strike team to leave the cave with the Tarim, so they can kill them all, especially General Alder.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' That they disable the helicopters to prevent them from escaping.\\
'''Instead:''' They leave them completely intact.\\
'''Result:''' The witches have a way to escape and they do.\\
'''Even Worse:''' When the team is on one of the helicopters, a flying explosive destroys the one next to it. This means they had the power to destroy the helicopters, yet didn't use it until they were practically flying away.

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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Raelle and Scylla are often called "Raella" or "Raylla" among fans.
* WhatAnIdiot:
** The Camarilla agents who have just killed Charvel are hiding in the room when Abigail walks in.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to wait for her to leave due to the risk of attacking her and leave when the balloons provide a distraction, which was presumably the plan in the first place.\\
'''Instead:''' They attack and try to kill her in a gruesome and slow manner.\\
'''Result:''' Petra finds Abigail and the two beat the shit out of the assassins, forcing them to kill themselves to avoid capture.
** Alder and her generals find out that the Spree have two trucks full of bombs and the only ones close enough to stop them are the witches at Citydrop.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to send the fully trained soldiers that are already there.\\
'''Instead:''' They send the cadets (who are on their final training mission) to stop them.\\
'''Result:''' They are successful, but it results in the deaths of Libba Swythe and a truck full of hostages.
** The President plans to retire Alder due to Scylla being kept prisoner without her knowledge.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For her to rethink this decision since Alder has been in charge of the military for ''300 years'' and is the only leader the American witches have ever had. On top of that, they are in the middle of a war with ''terrorists.''\\
'''Instead:''' She makes the decision in a single day, not worried about how this could affect the military and America at large.\\
'''Result:''' Alder, who is in danger of losing the very thing that defines her, "puppets" her into giving her unlimited power.
** The Camarilla are waiting for the strike team to leave the cave with the Tarim, so they can kill them all, especially General Alder.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' That they disable the helicopters to prevent them from escaping.\\
'''Instead:''' They leave them completely intact.\\
'''Result:''' The witches have a way to escape and they do.\\
'''Even Worse:''' When the team is on one of the helicopters, a flying explosive destroys the one next to it. This means they had the power to destroy the helicopters, yet didn't use it until they were practically flying away.
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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Raelle and Scylla are often called "Raella" among fans.

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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Raelle and Scylla are often called "Raella" or "Raylla" among fans.

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