History YMMV / MonicasGang

23rd May '17 5:58:55 PM AndyLA
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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: [[http://gibiblioteca.blogspot.com.br/2012/01/transformacoes-na-turma-da-monica.html Many]] [[http://arquivosturmadamonica.blogspot.com.br/2013/09/os-primordios-do-politicamente-correto.html older]] [[http://monicaquadroaquadro.blogspot.com.br/2014/06/um-habito-nada-agradavel-cebolinha-com.html readers]] feel that the current stories suffer from this, and also bemoan the fact that older stories are edited to remove any hints of "political incorrectness". One common example is the fact that one of the most common ways for the boys to rile Monica up was scribbling on walls; around 1998, an edict was passed within MSP that the characters were not to scribble on walls any more, so instead the boys started scribbling on papers which they would then paste on the walls. And true to form, whenever an older story is republished showing wall scribbles, a pasted-on paper is (often sloppily) added around the scribble. The reason for this? The wall-scribbling was presumably seen by some groups as an influence for kids to commit vandalism through graffiti (never mind that they would use chalk or charcoal, which are easily cleaned up).

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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: [[http://gibiblioteca.blogspot.com.br/2012/01/transformacoes-na-turma-da-monica.html Many]] [[http://arquivosturmadamonica.blogspot.com.br/2013/09/os-primordios-do-politicamente-correto.html older]] [[http://monicaquadroaquadro.blogspot.com.br/2014/06/um-habito-nada-agradavel-cebolinha-com.html readers]] feel that the current stories suffer from this, this (to the point [[http://monicaquadroaquadro.blogspot.com.br/2014/06/mudancas-de-caracteristicas-dos.html some characters ended up undergoing]] CharacterDerailment), and also bemoan the fact that older stories are edited to remove any hints of "political incorrectness". One common example is the fact that one of the most common ways for the boys to rile Monica up was scribbling on walls; around 1998, an edict was passed within MSP that the characters were not to scribble on walls any more, so instead the boys started scribbling on papers which they would then paste on the walls. And true to form, whenever an older story is republished showing wall scribbles, a pasted-on paper is (often sloppily) added around the scribble. The reason for this? The wall-scribbling was presumably seen by some groups as an influence for kids to commit vandalism through graffiti (never mind that they would use chalk or charcoal, which are easily cleaned up).
23rd May '17 5:56:17 PM AndyLA
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* PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad: [[http://gibiblioteca.blogspot.com.br/2012/01/transformacoes-na-turma-da-monica.html Many]] [[http://arquivosturmadamonica.blogspot.com.br/2013/09/os-primordios-do-politicamente-correto.html older]] [[http://monicaquadroaquadro.blogspot.com.br/2014/06/um-habito-nada-agradavel-cebolinha-com.html readers]] feel that the current stories suffer from this, and also bemoan the fact that older stories are edited to remove any hints of "political incorrectness". One common example is the fact that one of the most common ways for the boys to rile Monica up was scribbling on walls; around 1998, an edict was passed within MSP that the characters were not to scribble on walls any more, so instead the boys started scribbling on papers which they would then paste on the walls. And true to form, whenever an older story is republished showing wall scribbles, a pasted-on paper is (often sloppily) added around the scribble. The reason for this? The wall-scribbling was presumably seen by some groups as an influence for kids to commit vandalism through graffiti (never mind that they would use chalk or charcoal, which are easily cleaned up).
15th Apr '17 3:21:05 PM MagBas
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* MarySue: Marina was accused of being one. Later, accusing her of being "too perfect" became a BerserkButton for her.
** Monica in the manga, going between MarySue and JerkSue, [[DependingOnTheWriter depending of the story]]. To elaborate, she can act as bitchy as moody as she wants towards her friends, she has an IrrationalHate for [[NiceGirl Irene]] just because she ''thinks'' Irene is a threat for her, she won't accept people disagreeing with her, and yet she has lots of boys fawning over her, she always gets her way, is EasilyForgiven within a matter of seconds, if she's called out on her attitude she dismisses it instantly, and when she acknowledges her flaws, the writers seem to hit the ResetButton and [[SnapBack she goes back to square one]].



** Monica herself is making way to become one of these in the manga, due to [[TookALevelInJerkass Taking A Level In Jerkass]]. See her MarySue entry for details. UpToEleven after issue #94, in which [[spoiler:she dumps his UnderstandingBoyfriend for extremely selfish reasons]].

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** Monica herself is making way to become one of these in the manga, due to [[TookALevelInJerkass Taking A Level In Jerkass]]. See her MarySue entry for details. UpToEleven after issue #94, in which [[spoiler:she dumps his UnderstandingBoyfriend for extremely selfish reasons]].
3rd Feb '17 8:51:56 AM Ntroper
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** One recent story had Angel getting fed up with the children asking his help for shallow or selfish reasons (Monica asking Angel to carry her home because she didn't want to ruin her new sandals and Smudge asking Angel to pull back his kite because he was too lazy to reel the line in) and then distributing a sheet with instructions for the children in regards to thinking twice before asking for his help and only doing so if it is an actual emergence. The children move on to another person to ask for help because they thought Angel's instructions were too complicated and when Angel tells them they got it all wrong, he gets a letter from higher up telling him to stop being moody and complicating things and Angel is back to helping children even with the mundanest of tasks. The story is presented so that Angel is wrong, but it is very easy to sympathize with him wanting the children to not abuse his aid or become spoiled from it. [[FamilyFriendlyAesop The story effectively ends on a note that validates the children's laziness and overdependence on Angel.]]



** In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy to, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame the kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.

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** *** In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy to, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame the kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.
26th Jan '17 4:33:54 AM Ntroper
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* NightmareFuel:
** [[http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwnteG7O31qbnzf6o1_500.jpg Yikes.]]
** A story about Monica's birthday had quite a bit of this, not helping in that it was [[BizarroEpisode pretty crazy]] even by Monica's Gang standards. To start with, while Jimmy is trying to figure out a plan in order to mess with Monica ([[ABirthdayNotABreak yes, on her birthday]]), he receives the visit of a mysterious time traveler who comes from the future, gives him a birthday present box and tells him that Jimmy must give it to Monica in order to bend her to his will, but the he '''mustn't, under any circumstances''', open it up before the time as it's too dangerous and it might cause [[NothingIsScarier something inexpicably awful to happen]]. Jimmy assumes it's a bomb, but accepts it. Because apparently giving a ''bomb'' as a birthday gift to your friend ([[VitriolicBestBuds even if it's a friend you don't like that much]]) is just fine.
*** And that's not all. [[TwoLinesNoWaiting Meanwhile]], at Monica's party, Monica manages to persuade Smudge into telling what one of Jimmy's early plan drafts for Monica's party is: fill a box with gross insects (such as cockroaches and such) and give it to her as a present. [[MoralEventHorizon That would be pretty messed-up even for someone who doesn't mind bugs, let alone people who can't stand the sight of a worm, such as Monica]]. And it doesn't stop there: in order to outsmart him, Monica receives Jimmy at her party with all their friends dressed up as insects. That in itself is a spooky prank (consider that Jimmy at this point doesn't even ''remember'' the insects plan, since you know, he was visited by a time traveler earlier that day) but it's not terrible as a LaserGuidedKarma comeback... until she orders everyone to tie Jimmy up on a chair and announces that she's going to drop the gift's contents all over him, and does it while he ''begs'' her not to. Now think about it: would you rather have a bunch of cockroaches thrown at you by your friends who are all wearing insect costumes while you are ''tied up'', or even better, go with Jimmy's vision and believe you're about to be thrown a bomb at and has no means of escape because again, your friends who are apparently out of their minds tied you up and are laughing manically while you're about to die? The whole situation is so bizarrely nightmarish that the reader can just barely enjoy the actually heartwarming ending. [[note]] What was in the box was ''flowers''. The time-traveler was Monica and Jimmy's descendant, who came from the future to make sure Monica would receive the flowers from Jimmy and start falling for him (that's what he meant when he told Jimmy he'd be able to "bend Monica to his will" by giving her that specific birthday gift)[[/note]]



** Junior. A BrattyHalfPint that rarely gets any negative feedback from his actions and 90% of the time he shows up, he's going to be annoying other characters (mostly Jimmy).
*** Those in any Geek[=/=]Nerd culture circle also are not pleased with his grown-up self since he basically said that grown up people aren't allowed to like that sort of thing and when Smudge points out he's a Naruto fanboy, he says "But I'm allowed! I'm a kid!".

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** Junior. A BrattyHalfPint that rarely gets any negative feedback from his actions and 90% of the time he shows up, he's going to be annoying other characters (mostly Jimmy).
*** Those in any Geek[=/=]Nerd culture circle also are
Jimmy). Even after growing up, he is not pleased with his grown-up self since he basically said that grown up people aren't allowed to like that sort of thing and when Smudge points out he's a Naruto fanboy, he says "But I'm allowed! I'm a kid!".much better.
27th Dec '16 6:09:16 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Monica in Issue #94. While her insecurities about her teeth and wearing bracers are understandable, her rampant stubborness in avoiding seeing a dentist and get treatment for her headache simply because she doesn't want to acknowledge her teeth might be defective makes it a bit difficulty to feel for her. The way she lashes out at anyone remotely suggesting the possibility out of concern for her health doesn't do her any favors either. [[spoiler: While the cause of her headache turned out to be her wisdom teeth and not her buckteeth, this actually makes the whole thing worse as the whole conflict of Issue #94 could [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedThis have been avoided had Monica just sit still and hear the whole explanation from the doctor instead of running away from his room at the mere suggestion of wearing bracers]], which is merely a common suggestion the doctor makes for every patient.]] There is also the fact that after many stories of Monica wanting to be seen as more than the bossy girl from her childhood and seen for her strength and personality, she essentially reduces her identity to little more than her buckteeth.

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** Monica in Issue #94. While her insecurities about her teeth and wearing bracers are understandable, her rampant stubborness in avoiding seeing a dentist and get treatment for her headache simply because she doesn't want to acknowledge her teeth might be defective makes it a bit difficulty to feel for her. The way she lashes out at anyone remotely suggesting the possibility out of concern for her health doesn't do her any favors either. [[spoiler: While the cause of her headache turned out to be her wisdom teeth and not her buckteeth, this actually makes the whole thing worse as the whole conflict of Issue #94 could [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedThis have been avoided had Monica just sit still and hear the whole explanation from the doctor instead of running away from his room at the mere suggestion of wearing bracers]], bracers, which is merely a common suggestion the doctor makes for every patient.]] There is also the fact that after many stories of Monica wanting to be seen as more than the bossy girl from her childhood and seen for her strength and personality, she essentially reduces her identity to little more than her buckteeth.
3rd Nov '16 8:12:14 AM Ntroper
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*** Monica in general. While she definitely has her woobie moments, she is also at times a very petty and selfish individual who is prone to use force, intimidation and, in her teenage years, manipulation to get her way. Examples include threatening to hit Jimmy if he didn't agree to take part in the play she wrote, beating up the boys so they'd join a choral she came up with, threatening to hit Jimmy and Smudge if they didn't play school with her and of course, [[StockShoujoBullyingTactics her treatment of Irene in the manga]].

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*** Monica in general. While she definitely has her woobie moments, she is also at times a very petty and selfish individual who is prone to use force, intimidation and, in her teenage years, manipulation to get her way. Examples include threatening way, which makes it hard to hit Jimmy if he didn't agree to take part in the play she wrote, beating up the boys so they'd join a choral she came up with, threatening to hit Jimmy and Smudge if they didn't play school side with her and of course, [[StockShoujoBullyingTactics her treatment of Irene in the manga]].many stories.
3rd Nov '16 8:09:21 AM Ntroper
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** The boys from the block can some times end up as this in regards to their feud with Monica. While sometimes their schemes and teasing of Monica can be chalked down to "Boys can't lose to girls" juvenile pride, sometimes Monica unprovokedly uses of force against them to get her way, so it's not hard to side with the boys when they only want to mind their own business without Monica forcing them to go along with her whims.


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*** Monica in general. While she definitely has her woobie moments, she is also at times a very petty and selfish individual who is prone to use force, intimidation and, in her teenage years, manipulation to get her way. Examples include threatening to hit Jimmy if he didn't agree to take part in the play she wrote, beating up the boys so they'd join a choral she came up with, threatening to hit Jimmy and Smudge if they didn't play school with her and of course, [[StockShoujoBullyingTactics her treatment of Irene in the manga]].
28th Oct '16 2:26:51 AM Miumia
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* InformedAttribute: For some, Maggy's "sweetness/gentleness", which is underlined in almost every side material or description of her character. While it may have been genuine at some point, now it just means she can act more feminine in comparison to Monica. Just read any story where she isn't getting enough food, is at odds with her cat Vanilla or even when she has to deal with her friends' antics. It's not that she's a bad person, but stories show her a lot more as a DeadpanSnarker with just as much of a pushy and assertive side as Monica (especially when it comes to food) than as the NiceGirl all profiles tend to imply.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy to, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame the kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: UnintentionallySympathetic:
** Anytime a character tries to hide a snack from Maggy in order to not have to share it, they're supposed to be seen as selfish and will usually get found out and ending up having to share it with her anyway. It would be easier to side with Maggy if she didn't have a well-founded fame for eating other people's ''whole'' snacks when she's supposed to take a bite.
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In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy to, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame the kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.
14th Oct '16 1:59:09 PM Miumia
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* NightmareFuel: [[http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwnteG7O31qbnzf6o1_500.jpg Yikes.]]

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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel:
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[[http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwnteG7O31qbnzf6o1_500.jpg Yikes.]]]]
** A story about Monica's birthday had quite a bit of this, not helping in that it was [[BizarroEpisode pretty crazy]] even by Monica's Gang standards. To start with, while Jimmy is trying to figure out a plan in order to mess with Monica ([[ABirthdayNotABreak yes, on her birthday]]), he receives the visit of a mysterious time traveler who comes from the future, gives him a birthday present box and tells him that Jimmy must give it to Monica in order to bend her to his will, but the he '''mustn't, under any circumstances''', open it up before the time as it's too dangerous and it might cause [[NothingIsScarier something inexpicably awful to happen]]. Jimmy assumes it's a bomb, but accepts it. Because apparently giving a ''bomb'' as a birthday gift to your friend ([[VitriolicBestBuds even if it's a friend you don't like that much]]) is just fine.
*** And that's not all. [[TwoLinesNoWaiting Meanwhile]], at Monica's party, Monica manages to persuade Smudge into telling what one of Jimmy's early plan drafts for Monica's party is: fill a box with gross insects (such as cockroaches and such) and give it to her as a present. [[MoralEventHorizon That would be pretty messed-up even for someone who doesn't mind bugs, let alone people who can't stand the sight of a worm, such as Monica]]. And it doesn't stop there: in order to outsmart him, Monica receives Jimmy at her party with all their friends dressed up as insects. That in itself is a spooky prank (consider that Jimmy at this point doesn't even ''remember'' the insects plan, since you know, he was visited by a time traveler earlier that day) but it's not terrible as a LaserGuidedKarma comeback... until she orders everyone to tie Jimmy up on a chair and announces that she's going to drop the gift's contents all over him, and does it while he ''begs'' her not to. Now think about it: would you rather have a bunch of cockroaches thrown at you by your friends who are all wearing insect costumes while you are ''tied up'', or even better, go with Jimmy's vision and believe you're about to be thrown a bomb at and has no means of escape because again, your friends who are apparently out of their minds tied you up and are laughing manically while you're about to die? The whole situation is so bizarrely nightmarish that the reader can just barely enjoy the actually heartwarming ending. [[note]] What was in the box was ''flowers''. The time-traveler was Monica and Jimmy's descendant, who came from the future to make sure Monica would receive the flowers from Jimmy and start falling for him (that's what he meant when he told Jimmy he'd be able to "bend Monica to his will" by giving her that specific birthday gift)[[/note]]
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