History YMMV / MonicasGang

27th Dec '16 6:09:16 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Monica in Issue #94. While her insecurities about her teeth and wearing bracers are understandable, her rampant stubborness in avoiding seeing a dentist and get treatment for her headache simply because she doesn't want to acknowledge her teeth might be defective makes it a bit difficulty to feel for her. The way she lashes out at anyone remotely suggesting the possibility out of concern for her health doesn't do her any favors either. [[spoiler: While the cause of her headache turned out to be her wisdom teeth and not her buckteeth, this actually makes the whole thing worse as the whole conflict of Issue #94 could [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedThis have been avoided had Monica just sit still and hear the whole explanation from the doctor instead of running away from his room at the mere suggestion of wearing bracers]], which is merely a common suggestion the doctor makes for every patient.]] There is also the fact that after many stories of Monica wanting to be seen as more than the bossy girl from her childhood and seen for her strength and personality, she essentially reduces her identity to little more than her buckteeth.

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** Monica in Issue #94. While her insecurities about her teeth and wearing bracers are understandable, her rampant stubborness in avoiding seeing a dentist and get treatment for her headache simply because she doesn't want to acknowledge her teeth might be defective makes it a bit difficulty to feel for her. The way she lashes out at anyone remotely suggesting the possibility out of concern for her health doesn't do her any favors either. [[spoiler: While the cause of her headache turned out to be her wisdom teeth and not her buckteeth, this actually makes the whole thing worse as the whole conflict of Issue #94 could [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedThis have been avoided had Monica just sit still and hear the whole explanation from the doctor instead of running away from his room at the mere suggestion of wearing bracers]], bracers, which is merely a common suggestion the doctor makes for every patient.]] There is also the fact that after many stories of Monica wanting to be seen as more than the bossy girl from her childhood and seen for her strength and personality, she essentially reduces her identity to little more than her buckteeth.
3rd Nov '16 8:12:14 AM Ntroper
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*** Monica in general. While she definitely has her woobie moments, she is also at times a very petty and selfish individual who is prone to use force, intimidation and, in her teenage years, manipulation to get her way. Examples include threatening to hit Jimmy if he didn't agree to take part in the play she wrote, beating up the boys so they'd join a choral she came up with, threatening to hit Jimmy and Smudge if they didn't play school with her and of course, [[StockShoujoBullyingTactics her treatment of Irene in the manga]].

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*** Monica in general. While she definitely has her woobie moments, she is also at times a very petty and selfish individual who is prone to use force, intimidation and, in her teenage years, manipulation to get her way. Examples include threatening way, which makes it hard to hit Jimmy if he didn't agree to take part in the play she wrote, beating up the boys so they'd join a choral she came up with, threatening to hit Jimmy and Smudge if they didn't play school side with her and of course, [[StockShoujoBullyingTactics her treatment of Irene in the manga]].many stories.
3rd Nov '16 8:09:21 AM Ntroper
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** The boys from the block can some times end up as this in regards to their feud with Monica. While sometimes their schemes and teasing of Monica can be chalked down to "Boys can't lose to girls" juvenile pride, sometimes Monica unprovokedly uses of force against them to get her way, so it's not hard to side with the boys when they only want to mind their own business without Monica forcing them to go along with her whims.


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*** Monica in general. While she definitely has her woobie moments, she is also at times a very petty and selfish individual who is prone to use force, intimidation and, in her teenage years, manipulation to get her way. Examples include threatening to hit Jimmy if he didn't agree to take part in the play she wrote, beating up the boys so they'd join a choral she came up with, threatening to hit Jimmy and Smudge if they didn't play school with her and of course, [[StockShoujoBullyingTactics her treatment of Irene in the manga]].
28th Oct '16 2:26:51 AM Miumia
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* InformedAttribute: For some, Maggy's "sweetness/gentleness", which is underlined in almost every side material or description of her character. While it may have been genuine at some point, now it just means she can act more feminine in comparison to Monica. Just read any story where she isn't getting enough food, is at odds with her cat Vanilla or even when she has to deal with her friends' antics. It's not that she's a bad person, but stories show her a lot more as a DeadpanSnarker with just as much of a pushy and assertive side as Monica (especially when it comes to food) than as the NiceGirl all profiles tend to imply.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy to, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame the kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: UnintentionallySympathetic:
** Anytime a character tries to hide a snack from Maggy in order to not have to share it, they're supposed to be seen as selfish and will usually get found out and ending up having to share it with her anyway. It would be easier to side with Maggy if she didn't have a well-founded fame for eating other people's ''whole'' snacks when she's supposed to take a bite.
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In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy to, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame the kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.
14th Oct '16 1:59:09 PM Miumia
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* NightmareFuel: [[http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwnteG7O31qbnzf6o1_500.jpg Yikes.]]

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[[http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltwnteG7O31qbnzf6o1_500.jpg Yikes.]]]]
** A story about Monica's birthday had quite a bit of this, not helping in that it was [[BizarroEpisode pretty crazy]] even by Monica's Gang standards. To start with, while Jimmy is trying to figure out a plan in order to mess with Monica ([[ABirthdayNotABreak yes, on her birthday]]), he receives the visit of a mysterious time traveler who comes from the future, gives him a birthday present box and tells him that Jimmy must give it to Monica in order to bend her to his will, but the he '''mustn't, under any circumstances''', open it up before the time as it's too dangerous and it might cause [[NothingIsScarier something inexpicably awful to happen]]. Jimmy assumes it's a bomb, but accepts it. Because apparently giving a ''bomb'' as a birthday gift to your friend ([[VitriolicBestBuds even if it's a friend you don't like that much]]) is just fine.
*** And that's not all. [[TwoLinesNoWaiting Meanwhile]], at Monica's party, Monica manages to persuade Smudge into telling what one of Jimmy's early plan drafts for Monica's party is: fill a box with gross insects (such as cockroaches and such) and give it to her as a present. [[MoralEventHorizon That would be pretty messed-up even for someone who doesn't mind bugs, let alone people who can't stand the sight of a worm, such as Monica]]. And it doesn't stop there: in order to outsmart him, Monica receives Jimmy at her party with all their friends dressed up as insects. That in itself is a spooky prank (consider that Jimmy at this point doesn't even ''remember'' the insects plan, since you know, he was visited by a time traveler earlier that day) but it's not terrible as a LaserGuidedKarma comeback... until she orders everyone to tie Jimmy up on a chair and announces that she's going to drop the gift's contents all over him, and does it while he ''begs'' her not to. Now think about it: would you rather have a bunch of cockroaches thrown at you by your friends who are all wearing insect costumes while you are ''tied up'', or even better, go with Jimmy's vision and believe you're about to be thrown a bomb at and has no means of escape because again, your friends who are apparently out of their minds tied you up and are laughing manically while you're about to die? The whole situation is so bizarrely nightmarish that the reader can just barely enjoy the actually heartwarming ending. [[note]] What was in the box was ''flowers''. The time-traveler was Monica and Jimmy's descendant, who came from the future to make sure Monica would receive the flowers from Jimmy and start falling for him (that's what he meant when he told Jimmy he'd be able to "bend Monica to his will" by giving her that specific birthday gift)[[/note]]
29th Sep '16 8:42:33 AM Dedars1
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* RecycledScript: Nearly 'all'' of Paulo Back's stories follow exactly the same formula, sometimes with even the same characters.
18th Sep '16 9:58:29 AM Ntroper
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** Monica and Jim as a couple, since Manga#34. There are those who still want them to be together and those who think they don't work as a couple anymore because of their own personal matters that interfere with the relationship, and thus causing many to AbandonShip. However, whichever side it is, everyone agrees on one thing: Monica and Jim's romantic subplot became a RomanticPlotTumor, coupled with RelationshipWritingFumble, because they become absurdly obnoxious because of the BelligerentSexualTension between them.

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** Monica and Jim as a couple, since Manga#34. There are those who still want them to be together and those who think they don't work as a couple anymore because of their own personal matters that interfere with the relationship, and thus causing many to AbandonShip. However, whichever side it is, everyone agrees on one thing: Monica and Jim's romantic subplot became a RomanticPlotTumor, coupled with RelationshipWritingFumble, because they become absurdly obnoxious because of the BelligerentSexualTension between them.them making them absurdly obnoxious.



* {{Narm}}: The "Shadows of the Past" climax. It tries too hard to be a climatic romantic scene to be taken seriously, and Monica's speech about trust borders on {{Wangst}} because Jimmy had a good reason to lie to Monica.



*** Those in any Geek[=/=]Nerd culture circle also are not pleased with his grown-up self since he basically said that grown up people aren't allowed to like that sort of thing and when Smudge points out he's a Naruto fanboy, he says "But I'm allowed! I'm a kid!". And from that point on, the one thing that changed from his child self to his pre-teen self, is that he eats more now.

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*** Those in any Geek[=/=]Nerd culture circle also are not pleased with his grown-up self since he basically said that grown up people aren't allowed to like that sort of thing and when Smudge points out he's a Naruto fanboy, he says "But I'm allowed! I'm a kid!". And from that point on, the one thing that changed from his child self to his pre-teen self, is that he eats more now.



* {{Narm}}: The "Shadows of the Past" climax. It tries too much to be a climatic romantic scene to be taken seriously, and Monica's speech about trust borders on {{Wangst}} because Jimmy had a good reason to lie to Monica.



*** Don't go against the norm just for the sake of going against the norm. Nick Nope always did it to the point of trying to impose this on his dates with Monica and even in her internal conflict about wearing bracers for the sake of her headache in Issue #94 and it ended up blowing up on his face when he put his CaptainContrarian tendencies before Monica's feelings.
** One for the parents: While you generally mean well, it pays to listen to your children as well. Viviane kept trying to force her daughter Ramona to be a witch and to "be like everyone" and it ultimately backfired when Ramona decided enough was enough.
** And in direct response to the above, be respectful of your parents and listen to what they have to say. They were in your shoes before too. In one manga issue where Jim made a bet with Toni that he could survive being in a dangerous forest area for a night, Jim paid no heed to his father when he tried to enroll him in the Boy Scouts for survival lessons because he thought Boy Scouts were for wimps and took it as an insult and tried to go to the forest by himself and his lack of survival knowledge got him lost and he would have been stranded there for a good time had his father not come to save his hide with the knowledge HE picked up from his time with the scouts.

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*** Don't go against the norm just for the sake of going against the norm. Nick Nope always did it to the point of trying to impose this on his dates with Monica and even in going as far as projecting into her internal conflict about wearing the need of going against the norm in regards to her refusal of bracers for the sake of with little regard to her headache health in Issue #94 and it ended up blowing up on his face when he put his CaptainContrarian tendencies before Monica's feelings.
** One for the parents: While you generally mean well, it pays well to listen to your children as well.children. Viviane kept trying to force her daughter Ramona to be a witch and to "be like everyone" and it ultimately backfired when Ramona decided enough was enough.
** And in direct response to the above, be respectful of your parents and listen to what they have to say. They were in your shoes before too. In one manga issue where Jim made a bet with Toni that he could survive being in a dangerous forest area for a night, Jim paid no heed to his father when he tried to enroll him in the Boy Scouts for survival lessons because he thought Boy Scouts were for wimps and took it as an insult and tried to go to the forest by himself and his himself. His lack of survival knowledge got him lost and he would have been stranded there for a good time had his father not come to save his hide with the knowledge HE picked up from his time with the scouts.
6th Sep '16 4:41:12 AM Ntroper
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*** Even in the Manga she's not immune to writer-originated RonTheDeathEater. Dustine TookALevelInJerkass that constantly nags Smudge for the smallest things and is always complaining about something. Todd at the very least gets more love by being one of the few characters that fit under OnlySaneMan in the manga and proper backbone to not put up with the DoubleStandard the girls invoke every now and then, as well as self-esteem issues he overcomes very maturely, which warmed him to the fanbase. The worst he got in the abovementioned story was blindly believing the rumors spread about Maggy and Smudge without listening to Maggy's explanation and [[SeriousBusiness getting Denise to be their lawyer to handle the separation papers]] and then getting back to Maggy because [[RefugeInAudacity "divorcing her" would mean Maggy would get half of Todd's father's bakery]], which is all PlayedForLaughs and even then, it isn't half as bad as what Dustine got.

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*** Even in the Manga she's not immune to writer-originated RonTheDeathEater. Dustine TookALevelInJerkass and became a girlfriend that constantly nags Smudge for the smallest things and is always complaining about something. Todd at the very least gets more love by being one of the few characters that fit under OnlySaneMan in the manga and proper backbone to not put up with the DoubleStandard the girls invoke every now and then, as well as self-esteem issues he overcomes very maturely, which warmed him to the fanbase. The worst he got in the abovementioned story was blindly believing the rumors spread about Maggy and Smudge without listening to Maggy's explanation and [[SeriousBusiness getting Denise to be their lawyer to handle the separation papers]] and then getting back to Maggy because [[RefugeInAudacity "divorcing her" would mean Maggy would get half of Todd's father's bakery]], which is all PlayedForLaughs and even then, it isn't half as bad as what Dustine got.



** One story that centers around Maggy carving for persimmons ends with Jimmy and Smudge covered in squashed persimmons courtesy of Monica and calming Jimmy's mother after she screams in horror as, out of context, it seems like they're ''bleeding''. While it is PlayedForLaughs, Jimmy's ending line which translates to "It's just persimmon this time around" leaves some heavy implications that [[NightmareFuel Monica sometimes beats them up so violently that they actually bleed...]][[MemeticMutation Y'know...for kids!]]

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** One story that centers around Maggy carving craving for persimmons ends with Jimmy and Smudge covered in squashed persimmons courtesy of Monica and calming Jimmy's mother after she screams in horror as, out of context, it seems like they're ''bleeding''. While it is PlayedForLaughs, Jimmy's ending line which translates to "It's just persimmon this time around" leaves some heavy implications that [[NightmareFuel Monica sometimes beats them up so violently that they actually bleed...]][[MemeticMutation Y'know...for kids!]]



** Every single time the kids face Captain Fray become this after it is revealed [[spoiler: he is Smudge's uncle.]]



*** Don't go against the norm just for the sake of going against the norm. Nick Nope always did it to the point of trying to impose this on his dates with Monica and even in her internal conflict about wearing bracers for the sake of her headache in Issue #94 and it ended up blowing up on his face when he put his CaptainContrarian tendencies before Monica's feelings.



** UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Taking from the above example, we're supposed to side with Maggy here, but considering she never seems to acknowledge her gluttony as a problem, which many stories show to be a problem not only to her friends, but a heavy financial burden on her family as well and just compares everyone else's flaws to hers before cutting ties with the gang, she just comes across as a SpoiledBrat.

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** * UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Taking from the above example, we're supposed to side with Maggy here, but considering she never seems to acknowledge her gluttony as a problem, which many stories show to be a problem not only to her friends, but a heavy financial burden on her family as well and just compares everyone else's flaws to hers before cutting ties with the gang, she just comes across as a SpoiledBrat.SpoiledBrat.
** Monica in Issue #94. While her insecurities about her teeth and wearing bracers are understandable, her rampant stubborness in avoiding seeing a dentist and get treatment for her headache simply because she doesn't want to acknowledge her teeth might be defective makes it a bit difficulty to feel for her. The way she lashes out at anyone remotely suggesting the possibility out of concern for her health doesn't do her any favors either. [[spoiler: While the cause of her headache turned out to be her wisdom teeth and not her buckteeth, this actually makes the whole thing worse as the whole conflict of Issue #94 could [[WeCouldHaveAvoidedThis have been avoided had Monica just sit still and hear the whole explanation from the doctor instead of running away from his room at the mere suggestion of wearing bracers]], which is merely a common suggestion the doctor makes for every patient.]] There is also the fact that after many stories of Monica wanting to be seen as more than the bossy girl from her childhood and seen for her strength and personality, she essentially reduces her identity to little more than her buckteeth.




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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Smudge's uncle, [[spoiler: Captain Fray. His parents died in a landslide and he made a DealWithTheDevil to save his life there in exchange for being cursed with powers of corrosion and decay. Upon reaching adulthood, the devil he made a deal with returns, demanding he bears [[WalkingWasteland The Curse of Pestilence]]. He is forced to do so because if he refused, the devil would have gone after Smudge. Throughout all years the comic has been going on and the chronologic 10 years from the comics to the manga, Fray was fighting his Nephew without being able to do a thing to stop it. Even worse, in the BadFuture, Smudge ends up getting his powers anyway, making his a SenselessSacrifice.]]
24th Aug '16 8:47:37 AM Ntroper
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: It's hard to care for anyone in the manga, in which every character (except, maybe, Smudge) is a massive egocentric, hypocritical jerk.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: It's With a few exceptions (like Smudge, Sophia, Isadora, Dora, Luca, Nimbus, Franklin, Todd, Ramona and Nutty Ned), it's hard to care for anyone any of the constantly present cast members in the manga, in which every character (except, maybe, Smudge) is manga as a massive good chunk of them are varying degrees of egocentric, hypocritical jerk.jerks or too ignorant\idiotic for their own good whose flaws and the conflicts ensuing from them can really bring down the mood.
24th Jul '16 4:05:38 AM Anddrix
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* AlasPoorScrappy: More of an Alas, Poor BaseBreaker case, but even though Jim brought [[spoiler: Monica leaving him for Nick Nope]] upon himself in the manga, you can't help but feel sorry for the guy once the realization of what he had done hit him full force with a WhamLine from Maggy. It's even such in universe, where Maggy, as soon as she sees Jim's regret, goes from scolding to comforting him.

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* AlasPoorScrappy: More of an Alas, Poor BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter case, but even though Jim brought [[spoiler: Monica leaving him for Nick Nope]] upon himself in the manga, you can't help but feel sorry for the guy once the realization of what he had done hit him full force with a WhamLine from Maggy. It's even such in universe, where Maggy, as soon as she sees Jim's regret, goes from scolding to comforting him.
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