History YMMV / MonicasGang

11th May '16 9:43:04 PM Dedars1
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: It's hard to care for anyone in the manga, in which every character (except, maybe, Smudge) is a massive egocentric, hypocritical jerk.
4th May '16 3:37:45 PM Miumia
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* MisaimedFandom: An example InUniverse [[ChristmasEpisode where Jimmy and Smudge decide to participate in a Nativity scene contest]], in which they're required to set an original maquette of Jesus's birth. They make one where toys are stands-in for Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the other figures (much ShoutOut ensues, including Franchise/{{Pokemon}}, Franchise/XMen and Toys/{{Barbie}}). They reassure themselves that despite the tough competition, theirs is the only one that represents Christmas by pure children's vision. Cut to the competition's announcer saying that they won, [[InstantlyProvenWrong because their Nativity scene "criticized the unrestrained consumerism which Christmas has become in the last years"]], leaving them completely bewildered.
11th Apr '16 6:25:31 AM Ntroper
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The manga issue #45 drops [[MomentOfAwesome awesomely]] one about bullying. It's bad for the victims AND the bullies, and tolerating it is NOT the right thing to do.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The original comic and the manga had quite a few aesops dropped over the years:
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The manga issue #45 drops [[MomentOfAwesome awesomely]] one about bullying. It's bad for Tolerating it and being conniving towards it if you're an authority figure with the victims AND the bullies, and tolerating power to stop it is NOT the right thing to do.do.
** Being prideful will end up very badly for you if you don't realize the harm it causes to the people around you, a lesson that is made very clear with Monica and Jimmy's characters, especially in the manga where their pride has more often than not caused a bad situation for those around them and for themselves as well.
** Don't waste the opportunities that are given to you. This is made clear by Genesinho's actions in the Chucky Billy manga, where he blows the opportunity his father gave to him to study abroad in a partying life and ended up not only losing that opportunity, but also leaving a girl pregnant and losing all the trust and respect his father had for him.
** Nothing is set in stone. If you want something, you HAVE to work for it. Jim believed he and Monica were destined to be together and at one point he began to take her for granted and believed that Monica was only trying to get him to chase her again when Monica kissed Nick Nope and started debating who she truly loved. It wasn't until Maggy gave him a BreakingSpeech that he realized how much of a tool he was and how he's lost Monica forever.
** Ambition will lead to evil if carried for the wrong reasons. Jimmy's ambition to be the king of the block and later change the world was revealed to be a product of a need to prove his worth to Monica rather than a desire to make things better. In the manga, Jim's ambition resulted in not one BadFuture, but TWO, along with an AlternateUniverse where Jim is a bully that has dirt on everyone. And in the manga present proper, his ambition actually results in Monica, Smudge and Maggy being killed.
** Don't toy with people's hearts. Bucky did this with Isabel for too long and it ultimately resulted in him losing her forever. This was also the case with Jim and Monica.
** Manga-only character Maria Mello brings two: while you need to work hard for your dreams and make sacrifices for them, doing so at the expense of your own health will not end well for you, and there is a difference between going on a diet and forgoing eating.
** If you need to use strength to get your way, don't be surprised if people don't like you. Monica does that a lot and as a result, while she is generally well-liked by people, she is also very feared by pretty much everyone and it carried on to her teen self despite her insisting otherwise.
** The entirety of the romantic sub-plot with monica and Jim shows that despite how much you love someone, if you end with more grief and stress than actual good feelings, it's not worth to keep pining for that person and while moving on is difficult, it will ultimately end well for you.
** It's ok to be different, but it shouldn't be something or you to force on yourself just because you want to be unique. This is pretty much the core of Nick Nope's character and Denise eventually tells him that hating something because everyone likes or does it is as bad as liking or doing something just because everyone else likes or does it. Like and dislike what you will based on YOUR individual opinion.
** One for the parents: While you generally mean well, it pays to listen to your children as well. Viviane kept trying to force her daughter Ramona to be a witch and to "be like everyone" and it ultimately backfired when Ramona decided enough was enough.
** And in direct response to the above, be respectful of your parents and listen to what they have to say. They were in your shoes before too. In one manga issue where Jim made a bet with Toni that he could survive being in a dangerous forest area for a night, Jim paid no heed to his father when he tried to enroll him in the Boy Scouts for survival lessons because he thought Boy Scouts were for wimps and took it as an insult and tried to go to the forest by himself and his lack of survival knowledge got him lost and he would have been stranded there for a good time had his father not come to save his hide with the knowledge HE picked up from his time with the scouts.



* WheelchairWoobie: Subverted with Luca, who is treated like a perfectly normal kid to the point that the girls (Monica in particular) constantly swoon over him.

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* WheelchairWoobie: Subverted with Luca, who is treated like a perfectly normal kid to the point that the girls (Monica in particular) constantly swoon over him. And eventually Jimmy and Smudge have Franklin modify Luca's wheelchair with things like turbo boosters, spring jumps and other gadgets.
9th Mar '16 4:27:26 AM Ntroper
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** Jimmy. Power-hungry kid who just wants everything for himself and enjoys trolling everyone for kicks, or AntiHero that wants to bring down Monica because she's pretty much terrorizing everyone in the block and trolls everyone as retribution for being made of for his speech problem?

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** Jimmy. Power-hungry kid who just wants everything for himself and enjoys trolling everyone for kicks, or AntiHero that wants to bring down Monica because she's pretty much terrorizing everyone in the block and trolls everyone as retribution for being made of for his speech problem?picked on by the other kids?
22nd Dec '15 10:15:46 AM Ntroper
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** UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Taking from the above example, we're supposed to side with Maggy here, but considering she never seems to acknowledge her gluttony as a problem, which many stories show to be a problem not only to her friends, but a heavy financial burden on her family as well and just compares everyone else's flaws to hers before cutting ties with the gang, she just comes across as a SpoiledBrat.
4th Dec '15 12:35:23 AM Miumia
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame the kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy, Maggy to, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame the kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.
2nd Dec '15 5:16:36 PM Miumia
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame th kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame th the kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.
2nd Dec '15 5:15:49 PM Miumia
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: In one specific comic, Maggy cuts ties with the rest of the gang because she overhears them having a picnic on their own without inviting her (and they had lied to her saying they were going to do laundry, which she finds suspicious enough to spy on them in the first place). The story clearly wants you to know that it was very selfish and mean of them to do that (and they do have to be the ones to apologize in the end). Except that during said picnic they actually explain that itís simply the kind of outing they couldn't invite Maggy, since she would eat it all without giving them chance, and they all recall times where they were justifiably embarrassed and/or upset by her gluttony. In Smudge's case, it was the time when ''Maggy ate his entire birthday cake during his own birthday party''. Granted, lying to her face about it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but you can't blame th kids for wanting to enjoy their snacks for once without having them all gobbled up in seconds.
30th Mar '15 6:33:34 AM Ntroper
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*** Even in the Manga she's not immune to writer-originated RonTheDeathEater. Dustine TookALevelInJerkass that constantly nitpicks everything Smudge does that concerns his hobbies, and anything she considers child's stuff, such as when Smudge and the gang were making an Ninjutsu presentation to bring more attention to their Ninjutsu dojo for their Sensei's sake, and Dustine was the only one to complain about it saying that it's children's stuff and it's very much like Smudge. Todd at the very least gets more love by being the part of the few characters that fit under OnlySaneMan in the manga and proper backbone to not put up with the DoubleStandard the girls invoke every now and then, as well as self-esteem issues he overcomes very maturely, which warmed him to the fanbase. The worst he got in the abovementioned story was blindly believing the rumors spread about Maggy and Smudge without listening to Maggy's explanation and [[SeriousBusiness getting Denise to be their lawyer to handle the separation papers]] and then getting back to Maggy because [[RefugeInAudacity "divorcing her" would mean Maggy would get half of Todd's father's bakery]], which is all PlayedForLaughs and even then, it isn't half as bad as what Dustine got.

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*** Even in the Manga she's not immune to writer-originated RonTheDeathEater. Dustine TookALevelInJerkass that constantly nitpicks everything nags Smudge does that concerns his hobbies, for the smallest things and anything she considers child's stuff, such as when Smudge and the gang were making an Ninjutsu presentation to bring more attention to their Ninjutsu dojo for their Sensei's sake, and Dustine was the only one to complain is always complaining about it saying that it's children's stuff and it's very much like Smudge. something. Todd at the very least gets more love by being the part one of the few characters that fit under OnlySaneMan in the manga and proper backbone to not put up with the DoubleStandard the girls invoke every now and then, as well as self-esteem issues he overcomes very maturely, which warmed him to the fanbase. The worst he got in the abovementioned story was blindly believing the rumors spread about Maggy and Smudge without listening to Maggy's explanation and [[SeriousBusiness getting Denise to be their lawyer to handle the separation papers]] and then getting back to Maggy because [[RefugeInAudacity "divorcing her" would mean Maggy would get half of Todd's father's bakery]], which is all PlayedForLaughs and even then, it isn't half as bad as what Dustine got.
25th Mar '15 11:01:50 AM Ntroper
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*** Even in the Manga she's not immune to writer-originated RonTheDeathEater. Dustine TookALevelInJerkass that constantly nitpicks everything Smudge does that concerns his hobbies, and anything she considers child's stuff, like when Smudge and the gang were making an Ninjutsu presentation to bring more attention to their Ninjutsu dojo, and Dustine was the only one to complain about it saying that it's children's stuff and it's very much like Smudge. Todd at the very least gets more love by being the part of the few characters that fit under OnlySaneMan in the manga and proper backbone to not put up with the DoubleStandard the girls invoke every now and then, as well as self-esteem issues he overcomes very maturely, which warmed him to the fanbase. The worst he got in the abovementioned story was blindly believing the rumors spread about Maggy and Smudge without listening to Maggy's explanation and [[SeriousBusiness getting Denise to be their lawyer to handle the separation papers]] and then getting back to Maggy because [[RefugeInAudacity "divorcing her" would mean Maggy would get half of Todd's father's bakery]], which is all PlayedForLaughs and even then, it isn't half as bad as what Dustine got.
** The Jim[=X=]Monica[=X=]Nick Nope triangle both subverts and zigzags this. All of the reasons that led Monica to AbandonShipping in regards to her and Jim are in character for Jim because of him thinking him and Monica are set in stone and taking her for granted as a result, as well as acting patronizing to her, plus him dragging making things official between them on and on because of his inferiority complex, which doesn't help matters. The subversion of the trope lies in the fact that Nick Nope isn't portrayed as a fully perfect boyfriend for Monica as his CommanderContrarian tendencies wear her out considerably, but she still enjoys being with him regardless. And what makes this a zigzagging of this trope is that Monica's own flaws such as her temper, her selfishness and her irrational jealousy of Irene which was the cause of more than one falling out between her and Jim and the aesop that Irene isn't nowhere as bad as Monica thinks she is becomes an IgnoredEpiphany every single time, and also the fact that Jim dating Penha is treated as [[YourCheatingHeart him deliberatedly breaking Monica's trust in him]], when he was actually doing so because he was being blackmailed with [[ManipulativeBastard a footage of Monica destroying Penha's house made as part of a cleverly put together plan by the latter]], which she would have exposed to news stations and opinion formers and [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished Jim needed to reluctantly date Penha to stop her plan from the inside]]. Jim's befriending of Irene, or any other girl for that matter is treated as him fooling around (Except Amanda, where he was actually acting like a total dork.), all of the good things Jim ever did for Monica are ignored and he is treated like he did nothing good at all for Monica. And then we get to his CharacterDevelopment in the chapter he's trying to get over Monica and he decides he's had enough of making plans and won't give up on Monica...and that becomes and IgnoredEpiphany as well as he's back to making more plans for his own fame and to make himself look good to Monica in following stories.

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*** Even in the Manga she's not immune to writer-originated RonTheDeathEater. Dustine TookALevelInJerkass that constantly nitpicks everything Smudge does that concerns his hobbies, and anything she considers child's stuff, like such as when Smudge and the gang were making an Ninjutsu presentation to bring more attention to their Ninjutsu dojo, dojo for their Sensei's sake, and Dustine was the only one to complain about it saying that it's children's stuff and it's very much like Smudge. Todd at the very least gets more love by being the part of the few characters that fit under OnlySaneMan in the manga and proper backbone to not put up with the DoubleStandard the girls invoke every now and then, as well as self-esteem issues he overcomes very maturely, which warmed him to the fanbase. The worst he got in the abovementioned story was blindly believing the rumors spread about Maggy and Smudge without listening to Maggy's explanation and [[SeriousBusiness getting Denise to be their lawyer to handle the separation papers]] and then getting back to Maggy because [[RefugeInAudacity "divorcing her" would mean Maggy would get half of Todd's father's bakery]], which is all PlayedForLaughs and even then, it isn't half as bad as what Dustine got.
** The Jim[=X=]Monica[=X=]Nick Nope triangle both subverts and zigzags this. All of the reasons that led Monica to AbandonShipping in regards to her and Jim are in character for Jim because of him thinking him and Monica are set in stone and taking her for granted as a result, as well as acting patronizing to her, plus him dragging making things official between them on and on because of his inferiority complex, which doesn't help matters. The subversion of the trope lies in the fact that Nick Nope isn't portrayed as a fully perfect boyfriend for Monica as his CommanderContrarian tendencies wear her out considerably, but she still enjoys being with him regardless. And what makes this a zigzagging of this trope is that Monica's own flaws such as her temper, her selfishness and her irrational jealousy of Irene which was the cause of more than one falling out between her and Jim and the aesop that Irene isn't nowhere as bad as Monica thinks she is becomes an IgnoredEpiphany every single time, and also the fact that Jim dating Penha is treated as [[YourCheatingHeart him deliberatedly breaking Monica's trust in him]], when he was actually doing so because he was being blackmailed with [[ManipulativeBastard a footage of Monica destroying Penha's house made as part of a cleverly put together plan by the latter]], which she would have exposed to news stations and opinion formers and [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished Jim needed to reluctantly date Penha to stop her plan from the inside]]. Jim's befriending of Irene, or any other girl for that matter is treated as him fooling around (Except Amanda, where he was actually acting like a total dork.), all of the good things Jim ever did for Monica are ignored and he the situation is treated like he did nothing Monica has no good at all for Monica.recordations whatsoever of their time together. And then we get to his CharacterDevelopment in the chapter he's trying to get over Monica and he decides he's had enough of making plans and won't give up on Monica...and that becomes and IgnoredEpiphany as well as he's back to making more plans for his own fame and to make himself look good to Monica in following stories.
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