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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler:Flay, after her emotional breakdown and ensuing RedemptionEqualsDeath.]]
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** The three Boosted Men were believed to be death row inmates who had the choice of execution or becoming test subjects for Blue Cosmos. No official sources or information allude to this in their backstory while ''Destiny'' indirectly denies this with Clotho whose data was found in Lodonia where children were trained to become Biological [=CPUs=].

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* {{Fanon}}: Fanfictions like having Dearka be the perverted type, likely originating from him reading a swimsuit magazine in ''The Turning Point'' [[note]]Phase-29 in the original broadcast and Phase-27 in the HD remaster[[/note]]. His interactions with Miriallia bolsters this as his first comment when seeing her was being surprised they had girls like her on the ship and on the [=GundamInfo=] subtitles, he frequently refers to her as "Honey".

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** Fanfictions with Shiho Hahnenfuss varies her personality where a common one is giving her a serious ConsumateProfessional type of character. Her actual personality in official manga and side materials gives her character a strong sense of duty but also a friendly side.
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** Athrun being yelled at by the HairTriggerTemper Yzak is a lot funnier after the release of the drama CD and accompanying manga of Kira and Athrun's youth where Athrun was on Kira's case a lot with school assignments. Now Athrun knows how it feels to be on the receiving end of having someone be on his case all the time.

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** Lacus, given her status as an idol singer, which some fans feel doesn't fit really well with the series' tone (this having long been a staple of the rival ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' franchise). Her turning out to have a large amount of political clout while being a ''teenage'' idol singer also pushes SuspensionOfDisbelief a little thin. Her worst critics argue that she comes off as a hopelessly naive person who lucks her way into victory and power. However, there are plenty of people who feel that her portrayal as a Relena Peacecraft-esque alternative political figure who is actually [[GuileHero far sharper and less naive than she appears]] works fine, and even some who don't mind the IdolSinger angle given that the ''Gundam'' franchise is all Sci-Fi HumongousMecha anime, making it all beyond the SuspensionOfDisbelief to start with.

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** Lacus, given her status as an idol singer, which some fans feel doesn't fit really well with the series' tone (this having long been a staple of the rival ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' franchise). Her turning out to have a large amount of political clout while being a ''teenage'' idol singer also pushes SuspensionOfDisbelief a little thin. Her worst critics argue that she comes off as a hopelessly naive person who lucks her way into victory and power. However, there are plenty of people who feel that her portrayal as a [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Relena Peacecraft-esque Peacecraft]]-esque alternative political figure who is actually [[GuileHero far sharper and less naive than she appears]] works fine, and even some who don't mind the IdolSinger angle given that the ''Gundam'' franchise is all Sci-Fi HumongousMecha anime, making it all beyond the SuspensionOfDisbelief to start with.


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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: At her appearance at Sakura-Con 2024 in Seattle to promote ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDFreedom'', Creator/RieTanaka said that she became a fan of the Gundam franchise after she watched ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' during her high school days, and had a crush on Heero Yuy. Rie also said that she originally auditioned for Flay, but she got the role of Lacus after singing one of Lacus's songs. To recap: Rie originally auditioned to be the Cosmic Era's version of Dorothy Catalonia (Flay); instead, she got the role of the Cosmic Era's version of Relena Darlian (Lacus).
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* {{Fanon}}: Fanfictions like having Dearka be the perverted type, likely originating from him reading a swimsuit magazine in ''The Turning Point'' [[note]]Phase-29 in the original broadcast and Phase-27 in the HD remaster[[/note]]. His interactions with Miriallia bolsters this as his first comment when seeing her was being surprised they had girls like her on the ship and on the GundamInfo subtitles, he frequently refers to her as "Honey".

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* {{Fanon}}: Fanfictions like having Dearka be the perverted type, likely originating from him reading a swimsuit magazine in ''The Turning Point'' [[note]]Phase-29 in the original broadcast and Phase-27 in the HD remaster[[/note]]. His interactions with Miriallia bolsters this as his first comment when seeing her was being surprised they had girls like her on the ship and on the GundamInfo [=GundamInfo=] subtitles, he frequently refers to her as "Honey".
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* {{Fanon}}: Fanfictions like having Dearka be the perverted type, likely originating from him reading a swimsuit magazine in ''The Turning Point'' [[note]]Phase-29 in the original broadcast and Phase-27 in the HD remaster[[/note]]

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* {{Fanon}}: Fanfictions like having Dearka be the perverted type, likely originating from him reading a swimsuit magazine in ''The Turning Point'' [[note]]Phase-29 in the original broadcast and Phase-27 in the HD remaster[[/note]]remaster[[/note]]. His interactions with Miriallia bolsters this as his first comment when seeing her was being surprised they had girls like her on the ship and on the GundamInfo subtitles, he frequently refers to her as "Honey".



** Athrun Zala can also be considered this. Lost his mother in a nuclear strike, has to fight his long lost best friend, [[spoiler: watches two of his closest friends and allies die]] due to his hesitation to fight Kira, has a [[spoiler:GeneralRipper]] for a father, and is too socially arkward to emote or channel any of this grief until it boils over the top and he breaks down. Yet, he still manages to be possibly the best pilot in the series.

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** Athrun Zala can also be considered this. Lost his mother in a nuclear strike, has to fight his long lost best friend, [[spoiler: watches two of his closest friends and allies die]] due to his hesitation to fight Kira, has a [[spoiler:GeneralRipper]] for a father, and is too socially arkward awkward to emote or channel any of this grief until it boils over the top and he breaks down. Yet, he still manages to be possibly the best pilot in the series.
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* CommonKnowledge: It is easy to believe that Nicol is cowardly because of his kind nature and how he was described by an early Yzak. In reality, Nicol is a keen strategist as he managed to infiltrate Artemis all on his own. His is also very reckless as he tried to pursue the Sword Strike when Artemis was crumbling down and recklessly tried to defend Athrun from the Sword Strike on Earth, [[spoiler:the second battle leading to his death]].

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* CommonKnowledge: It is easy to believe that Nicol is cowardly because of his kind nature and how he was described by an early Yzak. In reality, Nicol is a keen strategist as he managed to infiltrate Artemis all on his own. His He is also very reckless as he tried to pursue the Sword Strike when Artemis was crumbling down and recklessly tried to defend Athrun from the Sword Strike on Earth, [[spoiler:the second battle leading to his death]].
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* CommonKnowledge: It is easy to believe that Nicol is cowardly because of his kind nature and how he was described by an early Yzak. In reality, Nicol is a keen strategist as he managed to infiltrate Artemis all on his own. His is also very reckless as he tried to pursue the Sword Strike when Artemis was crumbling down and recklessly tried to defend Athrun from the Sword Strike on Earth, [[spoiler:the second battle leading to his death]].


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** "To a Future That Never Ends", the final episode, has Rau rant in front of GENESIS that "Earth will burn, and the ensuing cries of the victims will trigger battle anew!" [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDESTINY Guess what happened once Junius Seven dropped two years later?]]
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** The HD Remaster has also spawned the matter of [[spoiler:Nicol]]'s death, which was retconned in the Remaster to make it appear largely accidental. In the original, he attacks Kira and dies when Kira reflexively counters. In the remake, he attacks Kira and dies when Kira ''dodges'', because the attack carries him into Kira's sword anyway. Here's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpmGzNK0aI a comparison video]]. The base is split over whether this is an example of AdaptationalSelfDefense and an attempt to make Kira less responsible for his death, or whether it's a minor choreography change that doesn't really mean anything.

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** The HD Remaster has also spawned the matter of [[spoiler:Nicol]]'s death, which was retconned in the Remaster to make it appear largely accidental. In the original, he attacks Kira and dies when Kira reflexively counters. In the remake, he attacks Kira and dies when Kira ''dodges'', because the attack carries him into Kira's sword anyway. Here's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpmGzNK0aI a comparison video]]. The base is split over whether this is an example of AdaptationalSelfDefense and an attempt to make Kira less responsible for his death, or whether it's a minor choreography change that doesn't really mean anything.anything (as regardless of the version, Kira [[TheseHandsHaveKilled still feels the weight of what he did]]).
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* MemeticPsychopath: Lacus [[ObfuscatingStupidity puts up a front of innocence to hide her true skills]], but her kindness and good intentions are completely genuine. Fans on the other hand like to jokingly depict Lacus as an EvilOverlord who pulls strings behind everyone's backs to TakeOverTheWorld. This is so frequent that ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriorsGundam'' turned it into an AscendedMeme.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lord Uzumi's involvement with the G-Weapon Project. While Rondo Mina Sahaku initiated Morgenroete's involvement with the G-Weapon Project as established in Astray, how much Lord Uzumi knew about it remains in question. Kisaka certainly claimed that Lord Uzumi was uninvolved but notably Uzumi himself never makes a definitive statement in private. He publicly claimed responsibility and stepped down as Orb's Chief Representative in any case. So whether he viewed the project as NecessarilyEvil to maintain Orb's neutrality in the face of ZAFT and the EA's technological advancement is left to the viewer. It's possible that he trusted Admiral Halberton enough to let the project go forward.

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Lord Uzumi's involvement with the G-Weapon Project. While Rondo Mina Sahaku initiated Morgenroete's involvement with the G-Weapon Project as established in Astray, how much Lord Uzumi knew about it remains in question. Kisaka certainly claimed that Lord Uzumi was uninvolved but notably Uzumi himself never makes a definitive statement in private. He publicly claimed responsibility and stepped down as Orb's Chief Representative in any case. So whether he viewed the project as NecessarilyEvil to maintain Orb's neutrality in the face of ZAFT and the EA's technological advancement is left to the viewer. It's possible that he trusted Admiral Halberton enough to let the project go forward. forward.
** [[spoiler:Due to being the only scene of its sort until the sequel series and Kira not responding to anything Flay says, some fans assume Flay's RedemptionEqualsDeath scene to not be supernatural and instead either be a hallucination Kira is experiencing out of grief or a DyingDream Flay is experiencing in her last moments (which would make Kira's HeroicSecondWind less from Flay's apology and more a RoaringRampageOfRevenge to kill Rau).]]
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** Muruta Azrael is written as a HateSink and a CompleteMonster who exists to make the other major villains in the show seem sympathetic in comparison, but considering [[EvilIsCool some of]] the [[EvilIsSexy tropes we]] have him under here, that didn't quite work. His successor, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Lord Djibril]], seems to have been written with this in mind by having him lack Azrael's competency and charisma while retaining all of his worst traits.

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** Muruta Azrael is written as a HateSink and a CompleteMonster who exists to make the other major villains in the show seem sympathetic in comparison, but considering [[EvilIsCool some of]] of the [[EvilIsSexy tropes we]] have him under here, that didn't quite work. His successor, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny Lord Djibril]], seems to have been written with this in mind by having him lack Azrael's competency and charisma while retaining all of his worst traits.
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* HarsherInHindsight: In the episode "Star Falling in Space", Kira fails to protect the civilian shuttle from being [[spoiler:shot down by the Duel]] which became one of the traumatic moments in his life. Come the finale, he's also unable to protect Flay's escape pod [[spoiler:from being shot by Rau's Providence Gundam]], resulting in her demise.
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BB needs two or more equal sides not just complaints and doesn't apply to prerelease. SBTM is not Trivia and needs to outright hurt the work.


** The announcement of a brand new dub by NYAV. Most fans were hesitant at best to try it while others were extremely angry due to the fact it was not Ocean's dub, which was overall well-received.



* ScrewedByTheMerchandise: Somewhat. Dearka joining the Archangel crew never really amounts to much, and his continued presence among the heroes never seems to fit with narrative, almost as if it wasn't intended to be the case. In truth, Dearka's heel-face turn was a late executive-mandated decision due to the fact sales of Buster Gundam model kits were reportedly abysmal.
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** The announcement of a brand new dub by NYAV. Most fans were hesitant at best to try it while others were extremely angry due to the fact it was chosen over having Ocean do it again, as Ocean's dub was well-received.
** When the NYAV dub itself came out, it was split into two bases. Was it as good as Ocean's? Or was it unnecessary and nowhere near as good as its predecessor?

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** The announcement of a brand new dub by NYAV. Most fans were hesitant at best to try it while others were extremely angry due to the fact it was chosen over having Ocean do it again, as not Ocean's dub dub, which was overall well-received.
** When the NYAV dub itself came out, it was split into two bases. bases regarding comparisons to its predecessor. Was it on equal grounds as good as Ocean's? Ocean's dub? Or was it an unsatisfying, unnecessary and nowhere near as good as its predecessor?mess that did not need to exist in the first place?



** When the HD Remaster was released on Blu-ray in North America, many fans were left dissatisfied with the dialogue, delivery and production of NYAV Post's dub, as opposed to the original Japanese or Ocean performances. An example is Kevin T. Collins' performance as Rau. While considered good, was not considered as good as Creator/MarkOliver's. It ''really'' doesn't help that the original dub was only available in a LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition, instead of an alternate audio track.

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** When the HD Remaster was released on Blu-ray in North America, America[[note]]Initially released on Funimation the week before it came out on Blu-Ray[[/note]], many fans were left dissatisfied with the dialogue, delivery and production of NYAV Post's dub, as opposed to the original Japanese or Ocean performances. An example is Kevin T. Collins' performance as Rau. While considered good, was not considered as good as Creator/MarkOliver's. It ''really'' doesn't help that the original dub was only available in a LimitedSpecialCollectorsUltimateEdition, instead of an alternate audio track.
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** When the NYAV dub itself came out, it was split into two bases. Was it as good as Ocean's? Or was it unnecessary and nowhere near as good as its predecessor?

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* BrokenBase: The HD Remaster has also spawned the matter of [[spoiler:Nicol]]'s death, which was retconned in the Remaster to make it appear largely accidental. In the original, he attacks Kira and dies when Kira reflexively counters. In the remake, he attacks Kira and dies when Kira ''dodges'', because the attack carries him into Kira's sword anyway. Here's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpmGzNK0aI a comparison video]]. The base is split over whether this is an example of AdaptationalSelfDefense and an attempt to make Kira less responsible for his death, or whether it's a minor choreography change that doesn't really mean anything.

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The HD Remaster has also spawned the matter of [[spoiler:Nicol]]'s death, which was retconned in the Remaster to make it appear largely accidental. In the original, he attacks Kira and dies when Kira reflexively counters. In the remake, he attacks Kira and dies when Kira ''dodges'', because the attack carries him into Kira's sword anyway. Here's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpmGzNK0aI a comparison video]]. The base is split over whether this is an example of AdaptationalSelfDefense and an attempt to make Kira less responsible for his death, or whether it's a minor choreography change that doesn't really mean anything.anything.
** The announcement of a brand new dub by NYAV. Most fans were hesitant at best to try it while others were extremely angry due to the fact it was chosen over having Ocean do it again, as Ocean's dub was well-received.
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* ScrewedByTheMerchandise: Somewhat. Dearka joining the Archangel crew never really amounts to much, and his continued presence among the heroes never seems to fit with narrative, almost as if it wasn't intended to be the case. In truth, Dearka's heel-face turn was a late executive-mandated decision due to the fact sales of Buster Gundam model kits were reportedly abysmal.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The joke on how Lacus, an IdolSinger can easily sneak Kira Yamato into the Freedom Gundam's hangar and stealing it, and in general how many Gundams get stolen in the Gundam Seed universe becomes hilarious when the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedFreedom Rising Freedom]], aka the Freedom's successor, gets its Gunpla data online leaked by faulty Gundam Metaverse security, allowing anyone with a 3D printer to make the Rising Freedom months before the official release.

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* HilariousInHindsight: The joke on how Lacus, an IdolSinger can easily sneak Kira Yamato into the Freedom Gundam's hangar and stealing it, and in general how many Gundams get stolen in the Gundam Seed universe in general becomes hilarious when the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedFreedom Rising Freedom]], aka the Freedom's successor, gets its Gunpla data online leaked by faulty Gundam Metaverse security, allowing anyone with a 3D printer to make the Rising Freedom months before the official release.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The joke on how Lacus, an IdolSinger can easily sneak Kira Yamato into the Freedom Gundam's hangar and stealing it, and in general how many Gundams get stolen in the Gundam Seed universe becomes hilarious when the [Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedFreedom Rising Freedom], aka the Freedom's successor, gets its Gunpla data online leaked by faulty Gundam Metaverse security, allowing anyone with a 3D printer to make the Rising Freedom months before the official release.

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* HilariousInHindsight: The joke on how Lacus, an IdolSinger can easily sneak Kira Yamato into the Freedom Gundam's hangar and stealing it, and in general how many Gundams get stolen in the Gundam Seed universe becomes hilarious when the [Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedFreedom [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedFreedom Rising Freedom], Freedom]], aka the Freedom's successor, gets its Gunpla data online leaked by faulty Gundam Metaverse security, allowing anyone with a 3D printer to make the Rising Freedom months before the official release.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The joke on how Lacus, an IdolSinger can easily sneak Kira Yamato into the Freedom Gundam's hangar and stealing it, and in general how many Gundams get stolen in the Gundam Seed universe becomes hilarious when the [Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeedFreedom Rising Freedom], aka the Freedom's successor, gets its Gunpla data online leaked by faulty Gundam Metaverse security, allowing anyone with a 3D printer to make the Rising Freedom months before the official release.

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* CompleteMonster: The sociopathic [[FantasticRacism Muruta Azrael]], leader of the terrorist organization Blue Cosmos, wants to kill all the genetically engineered Coordinators and takes delight in their slaughter, making the omnicidal Rau Le Creuset seem sympathetic. A raging hypocrite who uses drugs and brainwashing to turn children into the [[TykeBomb Extended]], while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin, Azrael is behind both the Atlantic Federation and the Earth Alliance Forces, whom he manages to corrupt and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are co-opted or destroyed. Having started the war by [[NukeEm launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland]], Azrael hopes to end it the same way, willing to blow up his own men to do it. The side-story ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer Stargazer]]'' adds some further atrocities to his name, showing that he regularly took children from their parents, put them through brutal training and brainwashed them with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat but without the drug problems of the Extended. A man moved by hate, Azrael's sole motivation is that [[EvilIsPetty he was bullied by Coordinators when he was a kid]].

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* CompleteMonster: The sociopathic [[FantasticRacism Muruta Azrael]], leader of the terrorist organization Blue Cosmos, wants to kill all the genetically engineered Coordinators and takes delight in their slaughter, making the omnicidal Rau Le Creuset seem sympathetic. A raging hypocrite who uses drugs and brainwashing to turn children into the [[TykeBomb Extended]], while claiming that genetic engineering is a sin, Azrael is behind both the Atlantic Federation and the [[Characters/MobileSuitGundamSEEDEarthAllianceOMNIEnforcer Earth Alliance Alliance]] Forces, whom he manages to corrupt and goes out of his way to make sure that neutral nations are co-opted or destroyed. Having started the war by [[NukeEm launching a nuclear assault on the Coordinator homeland]], Azrael hopes to end it the same way, willing to blow up his own men to do it. The side-story ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDCE73Stargazer Stargazer]]'' adds some further atrocities to his name, showing that he regularly took children from their parents, put them through brutal training and brainwashed them with anti-Coordinator propaganda in an effort at creating pilots who could match Coordinators in combat but without the drug problems of the Extended. A man moved by hate, Azrael's sole motivation is that [[EvilIsPetty he was bullied by Coordinators when he was a kid]].
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** ZAFT is pretty much the show's equivalent of Zeon, who already have a huge following for this trope. What do you expect?

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** ZAFT is pretty much the show's equivalent of the Principality of Zeon, who already have a huge following for this trope. What do you expect?expect? It is arguably even worse than Zeon however, due to many of ZAFT's actions being defensive in nature and the Earth Alliance being much more evil than the Earth Federation. At times, many feel that [[spoiler:[[VillainousBreakdown until the end of the series]],]] ZAFT would have been [[DesignatedVillain Designated Villains]] if not for their [[FantasticRacism coordinator-supremacist ideology]].
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** {{The Many Deaths Of|You}} Flay Allster. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Given how she is polarizing character in the ''Gundam'' fandom, the idea of Flay getting killed by any character inside (aside Le Creuset) or outside the Gundam franchise by editing out Le Creuset's [=DRAGOONs=] and replacing that with a specific scene from other works. Like [[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Or7thLtqDcY this video]] for example, [[Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger Jasmine]] punching a bus and with the ensuing explosion killing Flay inside.[[/labelnote]]

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** {{The Many Deaths Of|You}} Flay Allster. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Given how she is polarizing character in the ''Gundam'' fandom, the idea of Flay getting killed by any character inside (aside from Le Creuset) or outside the Gundam franchise by editing out Le Creuset's [=DRAGOONs=] and replacing that with a specific scene from other works. Like [[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Or7thLtqDcY this video]] for example, [[Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger Jasmine]] punching a bus and with the ensuing explosion killing Flay inside.[[/labelnote]]
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** {{The Many Deaths Of|You}} Flay Allster. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Given how she is polarizing character in the ''Gundam'' fandom, the idea of Flay getting killed by any character inside (aside Le Creuset) or outside the Gundam franchise by editing out Le Creuset's [=DRAGOONs=] and replacing with a specific scene. Like [[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Or7thLtqDcY this video]] for example, [[Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger Jasmine]] punching a bus and with the ensuing explosion killing Flay inside.[[/labelnote]]

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** {{The Many Deaths Of|You}} Flay Allster. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Given how she is polarizing character in the ''Gundam'' fandom, the idea of Flay getting killed by any character inside (aside Le Creuset) or outside the Gundam franchise by editing out Le Creuset's [=DRAGOONs=] and replacing that with a specific scene.scene from other works. Like [[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Or7thLtqDcY this video]] for example, [[Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger Jasmine]] punching a bus and with the ensuing explosion killing Flay inside.[[/labelnote]]
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** {{The Many Deaths Of|You}} Flay Allster. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Given how she is polarizing character in the ''Gundam'' fandom, the idea of Flay getting killed by any character inside (aside Le Creuset) or outside the Gundam franchise by editing out Le Creuset's [=DRAGOONs=]. Like [[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Or7thLtqDcY this video]] for example, [[Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger Jasmine]] punching a bus and with the ensuing explosion killing Flay inside.[[/labelnote]]

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** {{The Many Deaths Of|You}} Flay Allster. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Given how she is polarizing character in the ''Gundam'' fandom, the idea of Flay getting killed by any character inside (aside Le Creuset) or outside the Gundam franchise by editing out Le Creuset's [=DRAGOONs=].[=DRAGOONs=] and replacing with a specific scene. Like [[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Or7thLtqDcY this video]] for example, [[Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger Jasmine]] punching a bus and with the ensuing explosion killing Flay inside.[[/labelnote]]
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** {{The Many Deaths Of|You}} Flay Allster. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Given how she is polarizing character in the ''Gundam'' fandom, the idea of Flay getting killed by any character inside (aside Le Creuset) or outside the Gundam franchise by editing out Le Creuset's [=DRAGOONs=]. Like [[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Or7thLtqDcY this video]] for example, [[Series/TokusouSentaiDekaranger Jasmine]] punching a bus and with the ensuing explosion killing Flay inside.[[/labelnote]]
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You can only cross the Moral Event Horizon once, by definition. It means going from redeemable to irredeemable. There's no such thing as crossing it multiple times.


** And then there's Patrick Zala [[spoiler: shooting Athrun, his own son. And he crosses it again later when he uses the [[KillSat GENESIS]] to kill scores and scores of Earth Alliance soldiers -- ''twice'' -- before attempting to use the GENESIS on Earth, [[EvenEvilHasStandards something that shocks even his subordinates]]]].

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** And then there's Patrick Zala [[spoiler: shooting Zala, who crosses it either by [[spoiler:shooting Athrun, his own son. And he crosses it again later when he uses son, or by using the [[KillSat GENESIS]] to kill scores and scores of Earth Alliance soldiers -- ''twice'' -- before attempting to use the GENESIS on Earth, [[EvenEvilHasStandards something that shocks even his subordinates]]]].

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