History YMMV / MinorityReport

25th Jul '17 4:34:06 PM NNinja
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* StrawmanHasAPoint:
** Witwer's objection that Precrime arrests people for murders they didn't actually commit is rebutted by saying they were ''going'' to. Perhaps so, but they ''didn't'', because Precrime prevented it. How can anyone be guilty of a murder which didn't happen? It's easy to agree with him on this, though possible they might be guilty of some lesser crime in certain cases (like ''attempted'' murder).
18th Jun '17 7:50:54 PM Fireblood
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* AwardSnub: Was only nominated for a single Oscar, for Sound Editing.

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* AwardSnub: Was It was only nominated for a single Oscar, for Sound Editing.
18th Jun '17 7:45:13 PM Fireblood
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** Really the only problem with Precrime is the fact that Director Burgess murdered Anne Lively instead of taking it the courts and leaving it in their hands if the woman should be given her daughter back. Outside of a very complicated coverup to murder Lively and the questionable treatment of the precogs, Precrime really ''does'' work.
** There is also the issue of just how rare minority reports actually are. Iris states that a Precrime suspect might have a possible alternate future in which they do ''not'' commit their ascribed murder, but adds that this happens only "every once in a while," and as Lamar points out towards the end of the film, the comparative rarity of that -- even when combined with the PoweredByAForsakenChild treatment of the Precogs -- is simply not relevant when weighed against the much, much more common occurrence of soon-to-be murderers who have no alternate futures and so are guaranteed to successfully murder their victims if Precrime doesn't intervene first. So, really, which is the smarter reaction: restructuring Precrime so that the police simply don't pursue a murder suspect when and if they're shown to have a possible alternate future? Or, as they do in the film, shutting ''the entire system'' down after that just because of a relatively small number of false positives?
** Also there is the CentralTheme of the [[Series/MinorityReport2015 2015]] SequelSeries - what steps should the government take to keep its citizens secure? What sacrifices are permissible? What is the suffering of three "[[TheyWouldCutYouUp genetic freaks]]" compared to the lives they could save if they were [[PoweredByAForsakenChild kept drugged and plugged into computers]]? What is [[LibertyOverProsperity forsaking privacy compared to a world without crime]]? Perhaps most importantly; once the government has that much power, ''who could stop it from doing anything else it wants?''
** Danny Witwer objection that Precrime arrests people for murders they didn't actually commit is rebutted by saying they were ''going'' to. Perhaps so, but they ''didn't'', because Precrime prevented it. How can anyone be guilty of a crime which didn't happen? It's easy to agree with him on this, though possible they might be guilty of some lesser crime in certain cases (like ''attempted'' murder).

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** Really the only problem with Precrime is the fact that Director Burgess murdered Anne Lively instead of taking it the courts and leaving it in their hands if the woman should be given her daughter back. Outside of a very complicated coverup to murder Lively and the questionable treatment of the precogs, Precrime really ''does'' work.
** There is also the issue of just how rare minority reports actually are. Iris states that a Precrime suspect might have a possible alternate future in which they do ''not'' commit their ascribed murder, but adds that this happens only "every once in a while," and as Lamar points out towards the end of the film, the comparative rarity of that -- even when combined with the PoweredByAForsakenChild treatment of the Precogs -- is simply not relevant when weighed against the much, much more common occurrence of soon-to-be murderers who have no alternate futures and so are guaranteed to successfully murder their victims if Precrime doesn't intervene first. So, really, which is the smarter reaction: restructuring Precrime so that the police simply don't pursue a murder suspect when and if they're shown to have a possible alternate future? Or, as they do in the film, shutting ''the entire system'' down after that just because of a relatively small number of false positives?
** Also there is the CentralTheme of the [[Series/MinorityReport2015 2015]] SequelSeries - what steps should the government take to keep its citizens secure? What sacrifices are permissible? What is the suffering of three "[[TheyWouldCutYouUp genetic freaks]]" compared to the lives they could save if they were [[PoweredByAForsakenChild kept drugged and plugged into computers]]? What is [[LibertyOverProsperity forsaking privacy compared to a world without crime]]? Perhaps most importantly; once the government has that much power, ''who could stop it from doing anything else it wants?''
** Danny Witwer
Witwer's objection that Precrime arrests people for murders they didn't actually commit is rebutted by saying they were ''going'' to. Perhaps so, but they ''didn't'', because Precrime prevented it. How can anyone be guilty of a crime murder which didn't happen? It's easy to agree with him on this, though possible they might be guilty of some lesser crime in certain cases (like ''attempted'' murder).
18th Jun '17 7:36:10 PM Fireblood
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** [[spoiler: After Danny is murdered, the scene with John pointing his gun at Witwer's throat becomes almost painful, knowing that later in the movie, it will be the same gun used to muder him.]]

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** [[spoiler: After Danny is murdered, the scene with John pointing his gun at Witwer's throat becomes almost painful, knowing that later in the movie, it will be the same gun used to muder murder him.]]



* IdiotPlot: The entire plot relies upon the fact that Anderton, a man whose job is literally to avert pre-destined murder, wouldn't think to avert a pre-destined murder he is supposed to commit when he knows for a fact where and when he'll commit it. The film justifies this by noting that Anderton wants to prove his innocence, but the fact remains that Anderton himself literally says out loud exactly what he should do then allows himself to be talked out of it by Dr. Iris Hineman, even though her logic (how can he avoid a man he's never met) is flawed because he knows where (in general terms, at least, enough to know what to avoid) and when the meeting takes place.

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* IdiotPlot: The entire plot relies upon the fact that Anderton, a man whose job is literally to avert pre-destined predestined murder, wouldn't think to avert a pre-destined predestined murder he is supposed to commit when he knows for a fact where and when he'll commit it. The film justifies this by noting that Anderton wants to prove his innocence, but the fact remains that Anderton himself literally says out loud exactly what he should do then allows himself to be talked out of it by Dr. Iris Hineman, even though her logic (how can he avoid a man he's never met) is flawed because he knows where (in general terms, at least, enough to know what to avoid) and when the meeting takes place.



** Really the only problem with precrime is the fact that Director Burgess murdered Anne Lively instead of taking it the courts and leaving it in their hands if the woman should be given her daughter back. Outside of a complicated coverup to murder Lively and the questionable treatment of the precogs, precrime really ''does'' work - the problem with the system in the film is actually the DisproportionateRetribution of denying the suspects a trial and the possibility of parole.
** There is also the issue of just how rare minority reports actually are. Iris states that a Pre-crime suspect might have a possible alternate future in which they do ''not'' commit their ascribed murder, but adds that this happens only "every once in a while," and as Lamar points out towards the end of the film, the comparative rarity of that -- even when combined with the PoweredByAForsakenChild treatment of the Precogs -- is simply not relevant when weighed against the much, much more common occurrence of soon-to-be murderers who have no alternate futures and so are guaranteed to successfully murder their victims if Pre-crime doesn't intervene first. So, really, which is the smarter reaction: restructuring Pre-crime so that the police simply don't pursue a murder suspect when and if they're shown to have a possible alternate future? Or, as they do in the film, shutting ''the entire system'' down just because of a relatively small number of false positives?
*** ...Aaand there's the CentralTheme of the [[Series/MinorityReport2015 2015]] SequelSeries - what steps should the government take to keep its citizens secure? What sacrifices are permissible? What is the suffering of three "[[TheyWouldCutYouUp genetic freaks]]" compared to the lives they could save if they were [[PoweredByAForsakenChild kept drugged and plugged into computers]]? What is [[LibertyOverProsperity forsaking privacy compared to a world without crime]]? Perhaps most importantly; once the government has that much power, ''who could stop it from doing anything else it wants?''

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** Really the only problem with precrime Precrime is the fact that Director Burgess murdered Anne Lively instead of taking it the courts and leaving it in their hands if the woman should be given her daughter back. Outside of a very complicated coverup to murder Lively and the questionable treatment of the precogs, precrime Precrime really ''does'' work - the problem with the system in the film is actually the DisproportionateRetribution of denying the suspects a trial and the possibility of parole.
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** There is also the issue of just how rare minority reports actually are. Iris states that a Pre-crime Precrime suspect might have a possible alternate future in which they do ''not'' commit their ascribed murder, but adds that this happens only "every once in a while," and as Lamar points out towards the end of the film, the comparative rarity of that -- even when combined with the PoweredByAForsakenChild treatment of the Precogs -- is simply not relevant when weighed against the much, much more common occurrence of soon-to-be murderers who have no alternate futures and so are guaranteed to successfully murder their victims if Pre-crime Precrime doesn't intervene first. So, really, which is the smarter reaction: restructuring Pre-crime Precrime so that the police simply don't pursue a murder suspect when and if they're shown to have a possible alternate future? Or, as they do in the film, shutting ''the entire system'' down after that just because of a relatively small number of false positives?
*** ...Aaand there's ** Also there is the CentralTheme of the [[Series/MinorityReport2015 2015]] SequelSeries - what steps should the government take to keep its citizens secure? What sacrifices are permissible? What is the suffering of three "[[TheyWouldCutYouUp genetic freaks]]" compared to the lives they could save if they were [[PoweredByAForsakenChild kept drugged and plugged into computers]]? What is [[LibertyOverProsperity forsaking privacy compared to a world without crime]]? Perhaps most importantly; once the government has that much power, ''who could stop it from doing anything else it wants?''wants?''
** Danny Witwer objection that Precrime arrests people for murders they didn't actually commit is rebutted by saying they were ''going'' to. Perhaps so, but they ''didn't'', because Precrime prevented it. How can anyone be guilty of a crime which didn't happen? It's easy to agree with him on this, though possible they might be guilty of some lesser crime in certain cases (like ''attempted'' murder).
* SuicideByCop: Attempted, averted, succeeded.
21st May '17 2:29:43 PM KingOfTheCockroaches
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*** I believe the purpose of that was linking Anderton's son's remark that he only kisses his mother on the lips and Hineman saying she was the mother of precrime.
30th Apr '17 10:03:01 AM nombretomado
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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: The video game version has a different-looking, blond Anderton, as TomCruise's likeness couldn't be licensed.

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* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: The video game version has a different-looking, blond Anderton, as TomCruise's Creator/TomCruise's likeness couldn't be licensed.
19th Feb '17 9:18:30 PM TheRoguePenguin
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* IdiotPlot: The entire plot relies upon the fact that Anderton, a man whose job is literally to avert pre-destined murder, wouldn't think to avert a pre-destined murder he is supposed to commit when he knows for a fact where and when he'll commit it. The film justifies this by noting that Anderton wants to prove his innocence, but the fact remains that Anderton himself literally says out loud exactly what he should do then allows himself to be talked out of it by Dr. Iris Hineman, even though her logic (how can he avoid a man he's never met) is flawed because he knows exactly where and when the meeting takes place.

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* IdiotPlot: The entire plot relies upon the fact that Anderton, a man whose job is literally to avert pre-destined murder, wouldn't think to avert a pre-destined murder he is supposed to commit when he knows for a fact where and when he'll commit it. The film justifies this by noting that Anderton wants to prove his innocence, but the fact remains that Anderton himself literally says out loud exactly what he should do then allows himself to be talked out of it by Dr. Iris Hineman, even though her logic (how can he avoid a man he's never met) is flawed because he knows exactly where (in general terms, at least, enough to know what to avoid) and when the meeting takes place.
3rd Dec '16 10:39:46 PM TheRoguePenguin
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* IdiotPlot:
** There really is no good reason for Anderton to go after Leo Crow. Avoiding him until the time of his murder was over and returning to find out what happened later would have been a more sensible thing to do. Also, Lamar likely could have easily killed Anne Lively outside of Pre Crime's jurisdiction, making his need to try and fool the system unnecessary.
*** Except him planning that within the reach of the pre-cogs would have popped up a brown ball.
** Yeah, not going after Crow might have been more sensible - but we are speaking with the benefit of hindsight here. Caught up in the heat of the moment, Anderton's judgement is clouded by doubt, panic, curiosity and disbelief. As Witwer points out, Anderton ''won't'' just run and hide, "because he thinks he's innocent". Even when Agatha tries to get Anderton to turn away from his "destiny", Anderton won't, as he is so driven to find out what is happening.

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* IdiotPlot:
** There really
IdiotPlot: The entire plot relies upon the fact that Anderton, a man whose job is no good reason literally to avert pre-destined murder, wouldn't think to avert a pre-destined murder he is supposed to commit when he knows for a fact where and when he'll commit it. The film justifies this by noting that Anderton wants to go after Leo Crow. Avoiding him until prove his innocence, but the time of his murder was over and returning to find out what happened later would have been a more sensible thing to do. Also, Lamar likely could have easily killed Anne Lively outside of Pre Crime's jurisdiction, making his need to try and fool the system unnecessary.
*** Except him planning
fact remains that within the reach of the pre-cogs would have popped up a brown ball.
** Yeah, not going after Crow might have been more sensible - but we are speaking with the benefit of hindsight here. Caught up in the heat of the moment, Anderton's judgement is clouded by doubt, panic, curiosity and disbelief. As Witwer points out,
Anderton ''won't'' just run and hide, "because himself literally says out loud exactly what he thinks should do then allows himself to be talked out of it by Dr. Iris Hineman, even though her logic (how can he avoid a man he's innocent". Even never met) is flawed because he knows exactly where and when Agatha tries to get Anderton to turn away from his "destiny", Anderton won't, as he is so driven to find out what is happening.the meeting takes place.
23rd Oct '16 8:46:51 AM Silverblade2
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* ParanoiaGambit: This troper has always felt that this was a [[RestrainedRevenge small revenge]] the surgeon had on Anderton (see ParanoiaFuel on the Main Page). This, and a couple of rotten sandwiches.
22nd Jun '16 7:59:39 PM lorgskyegon
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*** Except him planning that within the reach of the pre-cogs would have popped up a brown ball.
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