History YMMV / MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots

18th Feb '17 6:48:15 AM moongalleon22
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*** He also has a line, while discussing Meta Knight with Mei Ling, that Foreshadows the infamous "Mt. Snakemore", and the fact that the writers were making fun of it well before any fans did is absolutely amazing:
--> '''Snake:''' What kind of weirdo puts his face on the bow of a ship, anyway?
23rd Jan '17 11:55:36 AM BeastC
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* HoYay: Vamp and Raiden in Act 2. Who ''do'' they think they're kidding? Even Snake is [[ReactionShot distracted from taking aim with a sniper rifle]] once Vamp starts [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything licking Raiden's artificial (white) blood off of his knife]].

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* HoYay: Vamp and Raiden in Act 2. Who ''do'' they think they're kidding? Even Snake is [[ReactionShot distracted from taking aim with a sniper rifle]] once Vamp starts [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything licking Raiden's artificial (white) blood off of his knife]]. Did we also mention that the knife sheath is right on Vamp's crotch?
1st Jan '17 9:01:54 PM zequeins
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* Overlapping with LethalJokeItem, the Tranquilizer Gun can be this if one is going for a StealthRun. It puts the target to sleep with just a single shot, instantly if it's a headshot and a few moments longer if it isn't. The kicker though, is how stealthy it is. Shooting it makes no sound and raises no alarm, enemy instantly put to sleep by a headshot raises no alarm, enemy hit on the limb and wondering what just happened before knocked out cold raises no alarm (compare to standard firearm which will raise alarm), enemies seeing their ally put to sleep raises no alarm either (so you can hit A, then as B wakes A up, put B to sleep, and while A is waking up, put A back to sleep). Since disabling an enemy is as good as killing them in a StealthBasedGame, you are looking at a OneHitKill gun that raises no alarm unless you yourself are seen.

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* ** Overlapping with LethalJokeItem, the Tranquilizer Gun can be this if one is going for a StealthRun. It puts the target to sleep with just a single shot, instantly if it's a headshot and a few moments longer if it isn't. The kicker though, is how stealthy it is. Shooting it makes no sound and raises no alarm, enemy instantly put to sleep by a headshot raises no alarm, enemy hit on the limb and wondering what just happened before knocked out cold raises no alarm (compare to standard firearm which will raise alarm), enemies seeing their ally put to sleep raises no alarm either (so you can hit A, then as B wakes A up, put B to sleep, and while A is waking up, put A back to sleep). Since disabling an enemy is as good as killing them in a StealthBasedGame, you are looking at a OneHitKill gun that raises no alarm unless you yourself are seen.
1st Jan '17 9:00:33 PM zequeins
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* Overlapping with LethalJokeItem, the Tranquilizer Gun can be this if one is going for a StealthRun. It puts the target to sleep with just a single shot, instantly if it's a headshot and a few moments longer if it isn't. The kicker though, is how stealthy it is. Shooting it makes no sound and raises no alarm, enemy instantly put to sleep by a headshot raises no alarm, enemy hit on the limb and wondering what just happened before knocked out cold raises no alarm (compare to standard firearm which will raise alarm), enemies seeing their ally put to sleep raises no alarm either (so you can hit A, then as B wakes A up, put B to sleep, and while A is waking up, put A back to sleep). Since disabling an enemy is as good as killing them in a StealthBasedGame, you are looking at a OneHitKill gun that raises no alarm unless you yourself are seen.
20th Nov '16 3:51:30 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Though panned by many players in ''Metal Gear Solid 2'', Raiden was rather well received in this game and ''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance'' after becoming a badass and slightly AxCrazy {{cyborg}} [[InstantAwesomeJustAddNinja ninja]].

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** Though panned by many players in ''Metal Gear Solid 2'', Raiden was rather well received in this game and ''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance'' after becoming a badass and slightly AxCrazy {{cyborg}} [[InstantAwesomeJustAddNinja ninja]].{{ninja}}.
18th Nov '16 2:56:15 PM PF
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* EightPointEight: Combined with CriticalDissonance. The game received spectacular scores; however, a number of reviewers mentioned they ''would'' have given ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' a perfect score if not for those [[StoryToGameplayRatio long cutscenes]]. Of course, for most fans who have grown emotionally attached to the characters and followed the storyline throughout the series, long {{cutscene}}s aren't necessarily a bad thing. In retrospect, the dissonance now works in reverse; the game has received considerable HypeBacklash in the years following its release and now has a sizable hatedom, in contrast with its positive critical impressions.



* EightPointEight: Combined with CriticalDissonance. The game received spectacular scores; however, a number of reviewers mentioned they ''would'' have given ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' a perfect score if not for those [[StoryToGameplayRatio long cutscenes]]. Of course, for most fans who have grown emotionally attached to the characters and followed the storyline throughout the series, long {{cutscene}}s aren't necessarily a bad thing. In retrospect, the dissonance now works in reverse; the game has received considerable HypeBacklash in the years following its release and now has a sizable hatedom, in contrast with its positive critical impressions.
18th Oct '16 4:49:37 PM dlchen145
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** Though panned by many players in ''Metal Gear Solid 2'', Raiden was rather well received in this game and ''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance'' after becoming a {{badass}} and slightly AxCrazy {{cyborg}} [[InstantAwesomeJustAddNinja ninja]].

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** Though panned by many players in ''Metal Gear Solid 2'', Raiden was rather well received in this game and ''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance'' after becoming a {{badass}} badass and slightly AxCrazy {{cyborg}} [[InstantAwesomeJustAddNinja ninja]].
12th Jul '16 8:47:32 PM contrafanxxx
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** An episode of ''Transformers'' titled "Only Human" featured a character heavily implied to be Cobra Commander, of ''G.I. Joe''. As that episode was set in the future, he went by a different name - ''Old Snake''.

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** An episode of ''Transformers'' ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' titled "Only Human" featured a character heavily implied to be Cobra Commander, of ''G.I. Joe''.''Franchise/GIJoe''. As that episode was set in the future, he went by a different name - ''Old Snake''.
11th Jul '16 8:45:09 PM Angeldeb82
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* AccidentalAesop: Thanks to certain revelations in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'', ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' retroactively gained an aesop about [[spoiler:not trusting big reveals from just a handful of sources, especially when [[UnreliableExpositor both of your informants are former friends of the subject in question who would have all the reason in the world to hold a grudge against him]], and the man in question is a vegetable unable to tell his side of the story.]]

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* AccidentalAesop: Thanks to certain revelations in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'', ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' retroactively gained an aesop about [[spoiler:not trusting big reveals from just a handful of sources, especially when [[UnreliableExpositor both of your informants are former friends of the subject in question who would have all the reason in the world to hold a grudge against him]], and the man in question is a vegetable unable to tell his side of the story.]]story]].



** Depending on one's opinions, there's a lot of story moments, but one stands out due to how it plays out: [[spoiler: Raiden stopping ''Outer Haven'' from crushing Snake at Shadow Moses, only for himself to be crushed and seemingly killed. Despite all the posturing of the cutscenes involved that would signify death for pretty much any other character in the franchise, he's back and only missing his arms and put in extreme care afterwards, and even returns to kick ass with brand new lightning powers for the final act.]] It's almost like [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal Raiden was supposed to die,]] only for the writers to revise and save him from the brink.]]

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** Depending on one's opinions, there's a lot of story moments, but one stands out due to how it plays out: [[spoiler: Raiden stopping ''Outer Haven'' from crushing Snake at Shadow Moses, only for himself to be crushed and seemingly killed. Despite all the posturing of the cutscenes involved that would signify death for pretty much any other character in the franchise, he's back and only missing his arms and put in extreme care afterwards, and even returns to kick ass with brand new lightning powers for the final act.]] It's almost like [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal Raiden was supposed to die,]] die]], only for the writers to revise and save him from the brink.]]brink]].



* [[AwesomeBosses/VideoGames Awesome Bosses]]:
** Laughing Octopus is a weird and trippy boss fight in a claustrophobic maze of a clinic. She can be anywhere, strike from anywhere...
** The battle with RAY at the end of Act 4.
** The final battle with Ocelot.



* [[Awesome/VideoGameLevels Awesome: Video Game Levels]]: ''Twin Suns''. [[spoiler:A nostalgia-laden romp through the ruined Shadow Moses facility, topped with a sequence where you get to ''pilot Metal Gear REX'' and have a one-to-one giant robot fight with Liquid in his Metal Gear RAY, makes this a fan favorite.]]



* BestBossEver:
** Laughing Octopus is a weird and trippy boss fight in a claustrophobic maze of a clinic. She can be anywhere, strike from anywhere...
** The battle with RAY at the end of Act 4.
** The final battle with Ocelot.
* BestLevelEver: ''Twin Suns''. [[spoiler:A nostalgia-laden romp through the ruined Shadow Moses facility, topped with a sequence where you get to ''pilot Metal Gear REX'' and have a one-to-one giant robot fight with Liquid in his Metal Gear RAY, makes this a fan favorite]].



** The mid-credits epilogue where [[spoiler:Big Boss turns out to still be alive. Either it ruined a perfect ending with what was essentially a 20 minute rant filled with retcons, DeusExMachina and strained metaphors about Zero's name, or it was a beautiful if somewhat flawed resolvement of Snake and Big Boss' relationship.]]
** The story in general. Some fans find that it is a good conclusion. Others think it contradicts everything previous games told (most notably the ending of ''Metal Gear Solid 2''). The changes that bothered fans are Snake's depressive personality even though Snake is already used to these situations ([[http://www.1up.com/news/anime-expo-david-hayter-critical David Hayter came to complain about some of his actions]]), Meryl's romance is considered an AssPull, Raiden going from a normal man happy with his life to a depressed badass cyborg, Sunny overshadowing Otacon and Naomi despite her young age and several plot mysteries being [[HandWave explained away]] with [[MemeticMutation nanomachines.]]

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** The mid-credits epilogue where [[spoiler:Big Boss turns out to still be alive. Either it ruined a perfect ending with what was essentially a 20 minute rant filled with retcons, DeusExMachina and strained metaphors about Zero's name, or it was a beautiful if somewhat flawed resolvement of Snake and Big Boss' relationship.]]
relationship]].
** The story in general. Some fans find that it is a good conclusion. Others think it contradicts everything previous games told (most notably the ending of ''Metal Gear Solid 2''). The changes that bothered fans are Snake's depressive personality even though Snake is already used to these situations ([[http://www.1up.com/news/anime-expo-david-hayter-critical David Hayter came to complain about some of his actions]]), Meryl's romance is considered an AssPull, Raiden going from a normal man happy with his life to a depressed badass cyborg, Sunny overshadowing Otacon and Naomi despite her young age and several plot mysteries being [[HandWave explained away]] with [[MemeticMutation nanomachines.]]nanomachines]].



* FauxSymbolism: EVA hands an apple to ADAM (a.k.a. [[spoiler:Ocelot]]), who crushes it and throws it away.



** Act 4 has at least one area that easily allows you to farm Drebin Points: simply equip as many healing items as you can, let the Dwarf Gekko in the tank hangar spot you, and then let one of them knock you over. They'll begin pulling out guns and shooting at you at this point. The thing is, though, Dwarf Gekko have three hands, but are using two of them just to stand up, so they can't reload - once the mag is empty, they [[ThrowAwayGuns toss the gun away and pull out a new one.]] ''[[BottomlessMagazines Endlessly.]]'' Most of them have the GSR, but a few will also drop the Desert Eagle, which is otherwise unobtainable except by buying it from Drebin (thus saving points if you plan to use it later) and worth ten-thousand points afterwards. In about thirty minutes you can make a million points by simply not killing the swarming Dwarf Gekko.

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** Act 4 has at least one area that easily allows you to farm Drebin Points: simply equip as many healing items as you can, let the Dwarf Gekko in the tank hangar spot you, and then let one of them knock you over. They'll begin pulling out guns and shooting at you at this point. The thing is, though, Dwarf Gekko have three hands, but are using two of them just to stand up, so they can't reload - once the mag is empty, they [[ThrowAwayGuns toss the gun away and pull out a new one.]] one]]. ''[[BottomlessMagazines Endlessly.]]'' Most of them have the GSR, but a few will also drop the Desert Eagle, which is otherwise unobtainable except by buying it from Drebin (thus saving points if you plan to use it later) and worth ten-thousand points afterwards. In about thirty minutes you can make a million points by simply not killing the swarming Dwarf Gekko.



** The pre-briefing has [[spoiler:the exception, as they're just unlock codes.]]
** In Act 1 she sings [[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi digits of pi.]]
** In Act 2 she sings [[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number the Fibonacci Sequence.]]
** In Act 3 she sings [[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table the Periodic Table.]]

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** The pre-briefing has [[spoiler:the exception, as they're just unlock codes.]]
codes]].
** In Act 1 she sings [[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi digits of pi.]]
pi]].
** In Act 2 she sings [[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number the Fibonacci Sequence.]]
Sequence]].
** In Act 3 she sings [[http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table the Periodic Table.]]Table]].



* GoddamnBats: Scarabs. Imagine a tiny, three-armed robot (often holding a gun in one hand) capable of rolling around, hanging onto a wall to act like a security camera, and grabbing onto you to deliver an electric shock. Now imagine [[ZergRush dozens of these little bastards climbing all over you because you triggered an alert]]. For bonus irritation points, they're small enough that it's easy to not notice them the same way you'd notice a tall human, and you could wind up wandering right into their path. Chaff grenades, the one thing that can stun machines in this franchise, are also ''extremely'' rare in this game.

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* GoddamnBats: GoddamnedBats: Scarabs. Imagine a tiny, three-armed robot (often holding a gun in one hand) capable of rolling around, hanging onto a wall to act like a security camera, and grabbing onto you to deliver an electric shock. Now imagine [[ZergRush dozens of these little bastards climbing all over you because you triggered an alert]]. For bonus irritation points, they're small enough that it's easy to not notice them the same way you'd notice a tall human, and you could wind up wandering right into their path. Chaff grenades, the one thing that can stun machines in this franchise, are also ''extremely'' rare in this game.



* {{Narm}}: See [[{{Narm/Metal Gear}} here]].

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* {{Narm}}: See [[{{Narm/Metal Gear}} [[Narm/MetalGear here]].



** Vamp's overall appearance is much more unsettling now than when we last saw him; an unhealthy skin color, nasty-looking veins in his face, [[RedEyesTakeWarning red eyes]], and the scar from the gunshot wound he received to the head in ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' before his healing was nano-enhanced to fix such wounds instantly and without reminders. He's also got dog tags which appears to be his current method of counting kills, although these [[PetTheDog could be Dead Cell's tags;]] the number is right if you count Fortune's husband, Chinaman and Old Boy, and we never see him add any more (then again, we never see him directly kill anyone in this game either).

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** Vamp's overall appearance is much more unsettling now than when we last saw him; an unhealthy skin color, nasty-looking veins in his face, [[RedEyesTakeWarning red eyes]], {{red eyes|TakeWarning}}, and the scar from the gunshot wound he received to the head in ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' before his healing was nano-enhanced to fix such wounds instantly and without reminders. He's also got dog tags which appears to be his current method of counting kills, although these [[PetTheDog could be Dead Cell's tags;]] tags]]; the number is right if you count Fortune's husband, Chinaman and Old Boy, and we never see him add any more (then again, we never see him directly kill anyone in this game either).



* OneTruePairing: The ending [[spoiler:pairs off Meryl with Johnny Sasaki and has Snake retire, with Otacon joining him. The squees from the Snake/Otacon shippers could be heard from some distance away.]]

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* OneTruePairing: The ending [[spoiler:pairs off Meryl with Johnny Sasaki and has Snake retire, with Otacon joining him. The squees from the Snake/Otacon shippers could be heard from some distance away.]]away]].



** The Suicide Gekkos. How can you even pay attention to them when there's a ninja knife fight taking up the right half of the screen?[[note]]The answer: [[LetsPlay/ChipCheezum You record it and watch it while commentating afterwards]].[[/note]]

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** The Suicide Gekkos. How can you even pay attention to them when there's a ninja knife fight taking up the right half of the screen?[[note]]The answer: [[LetsPlay/ChipCheezum You record it and watch it while commentating afterwards]].[[/note]]afterwards.]][[/note]]



* VillainSue: Ocelot and Big Boss have caused lots of disasters yet the plot justifies them... Maybe too much. Kojima seems to have realized this, however, as [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker later]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearsolidVThePhantomPain games]] have toned down the apologetics and made a point of stressing that they're EvilVersusEvil.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: EVA hands an apple to ADAM (a.k.a. [[spoiler:Ocelot]]), who crushes it and throws it away.



** [[WeCanRebuildHim Raiden]]: In addition to all the stuff he had to deal within in the second game, Raiden now has to deal with having been tortured beyond human capacity, turned into a cyborg killing machine (a la Gray Fox), seeing his girlfriend go off and marry the much older Colonel, and coping with the fact that their unborn child died in a miscarriage. [[spoiler:Fortunately, the last two turn out to be false, and the first seems to be remedied in the epilogue]].

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** [[WeCanRebuildHim Raiden]]: In addition to all the stuff he had to deal within in the second game, Raiden now has to deal with having been tortured beyond human capacity, turned into a cyborg killing machine (a la Gray Fox), seeing his girlfriend go off and marry the much older Colonel, and coping with the fact that their unborn child died in a miscarriage. [[spoiler:Fortunately, the last two turn out to be false, and the first seems to be remedied in the epilogue]].epilogue.]]
11th Jul '16 11:29:59 AM PF
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** The story in general. Some fans find that it is a good conclusion. Others think it contradicts everything previous games told (most notably the ending ''Metal Gear Solid 2''). The changes that bothered people are Snake's depressive personality even though Snake is already used to these situations ([[http://www.1up.com/news/anime-expo-david-hayter-critical David Hayter came to complain about some of his actions]]), Meryl's romance is considered an AssPull, Raiden going from a normal man happy with his life to a depressed badass cyborg, Sunny overshadowing Otacon and Naomi despite her young age and several plot mysteries being [[HandWave explained away]] with [[MemeticMutation nanomachines.]]

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** The story in general. Some fans find that it is a good conclusion. Others think it contradicts everything previous games told (most notably the ending of ''Metal Gear Solid 2''). The changes that bothered people fans are Snake's depressive personality even though Snake is already used to these situations ([[http://www.1up.com/news/anime-expo-david-hayter-critical David Hayter came to complain about some of his actions]]), Meryl's romance is considered an AssPull, Raiden going from a normal man happy with his life to a depressed badass cyborg, Sunny overshadowing Otacon and Naomi despite her young age and several plot mysteries being [[HandWave explained away]] with [[MemeticMutation nanomachines.]]
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