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3rd May '16 1:53:51 PM MrDeath
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** In a move that some would deem the writers spineless and cause others to cheer, the ending of [[spoiler: Snake killing himself in the graveyard by putting a pistol into his mouth and firing, got immediately reworked into Snake somehow missing and Big Boss showing up. Big Boss then spends the next half hour retconning the FOX-DIE going berserk if Snake continued to live, that the body that EVA was protecting was Liquid, explaining that Zero was the BigBad of everything, and telling Snake to live out his remaining life peacefully]]. It reeks of being a last-minute rewrite based on protests by the development team or fans.
3rd May '16 12:04:28 PM ThraggLootrippa
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** In a move that some would deem the writers spineless and cause others to cheer, the ending of [[spoiler: Snake killing himself in the graveyard by putting a pistol into his mouth and firing, got immediately reworked into Snake somehow missing and Big Boss showing up. Big Boss then spends the next half hour retconning the FOX-DIE going berserk if Snake continued to live, that the body that EVA was protecting was Liquid, explaining that Zero was the BigBad of everything, and telling Snake to live out his remaining life peacefully]]. It reeks of being a last-minute rewrite based on protests by the development team or fans.
31st Jan '16 9:04:34 PM Hyperion5
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** An episode of ''Transformers'' titled ''Only Human'' featured a character heavily implied to be Cobra Commander, of GI Joe. As that episode was set in the future, he went by a different name - ''Old Snake''.
29th Jan '16 5:06:51 PM nombretomado
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** Snake's comments about Samus Aran in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrothersBrawl'' - namely, that he's attracted to her - become this upon the introduction of the Beauty and Beast Corps; an entire group of women who wear "sneaking suits" and big power armour, just like Samus does. Not only could he not tell that they were women at first (unlike with Samus), but he seems mildly repelled by them. Guess they're not "your kind of woman" after all, eh Snake?

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** Snake's comments about Samus Aran in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrothersBrawl'' ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosBrawl'' - namely, that he's attracted to her - become this upon the introduction of the Beauty and Beast Corps; an entire group of women who wear "sneaking suits" and big power armour, just like Samus does. Not only could he not tell that they were women at first (unlike with Samus), but he seems mildly repelled by them. Guess they're not "your kind of woman" after all, eh Snake?
5th Jan '16 11:42:21 AM Kadorhal
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: A lesser one was a bone of contention from ''[=MGS1=]'': it was believed by ''[=MGS2=]''[='=]s non-direct mention of Meryl that Snake had cracked under Ocelot's torture, the "Otacon" ending was canon and Meryl was dead, which fans thought hugely out of character for Snake.[[note]]Although it should be noted that the in-game book ''In the Darkness of Shadow Moses: The Unofficial Truth'' mentioned that Meryl survived the events of Shadow Moses, and the two references to the book in the game itself implies that it was actually the Meryl ending that was canon, as well as the nod to the Infinity Bandana.[[/note]]

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: A Two. The main one was Kojima's attempt to turn the much-ridiculed "magic hand" plotline into something remotely sensible (which more or less worked), but a lesser one was a bone of contention from ''[=MGS1=]'': it was believed by ''[=MGS2=]''[='=]s non-direct mention of Meryl that Snake had cracked under Ocelot's torture, the "Otacon" ending was canon and Meryl was dead, which fans thought hugely out of character for Snake.[[note]]Although it should be noted that the in-game book ''In the Darkness of Shadow Moses: The Unofficial Truth'' mentioned that Meryl survived the events of Shadow Moses, and the two references to the book in the game itself implies that it was actually the Meryl ending that was canon, as well as the nod to the Infinity Bandana.[[/note]]



** The story in general. Some fans find that it is a good conclusion. Others think it contradicts eveything previous games told (most notably the ending ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty''). The changes that bothered people are Snake's depressive personality even though Snake is already used to these situations ([[http://www.1up.com/news/anime-expo-david-hayter-critical Hayter came to complain about some of his actions]]), Meryl's romance is considered an AssPull, Raiden going from a normal man happy with his life to a depressed badass cyborg, Sunny overshadowing Otacon and Naomi despite her young age and several plot mysteries being explained with [[MemeticMutation nanomachines.]]
* ContestedSequel: From a fan standpoint, the game is either it's a fantastic finale to a great franchise, a game that isn't as good as ''Metal Gear Solid 3'' but is still entertaining in its own right, or a substandard military shooter with a story that ruined the series. In retrospect, it's often seen as Hideo Kojima's JumpingTheShark moment, due to its excessively convoluted story.

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** The story in general. Some fans find that it is a good conclusion. Others think it contradicts eveything previous games told (most notably the ending ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty''). The changes that bothered people are Snake's depressive personality even though Snake is already used to these situations ([[http://www.1up.com/news/anime-expo-david-hayter-critical Hayter came to complain about some of his actions]]), Meryl's romance is considered an AssPull, Raiden going from a normal man happy with his life to a depressed badass cyborg, Sunny overshadowing Otacon and Naomi despite her young age and several plot mysteries being [[HandWave explained away]] with [[MemeticMutation nanomachines.]]
* ContestedSequel: From a fan standpoint, the game is either it's a fantastic finale to a great franchise, a game that isn't as good as ''Metal Gear Solid 3'' but is still entertaining in its own right, or a substandard military shooter with a story that ruined the series. In retrospect, it's often seen as Hideo Kojima's JumpingTheShark moment, due to its excessively convoluted story.



** A major oversight occurred when prize matches for Automatching first came out in ''Metal Gear Online''. It made Automatching much more attractive, with the potential to receive up to 400 reward points (points which you can spend on in-game gear for your character) for winning a Deathmatch game. However, in the case of a tie, both players will win the points. Players quickly realized that if everyone agreed to not do ''anything'' for the whole five minute match, everyone would get 400 points. Players farmed for thousands of points for a week until the next update, which lowered the amount of points earned to 200 points and awarded no points for ties.

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** A major oversight occurred when prize matches for Automatching first came out in ''Metal Gear Online''. It made Automatching much more attractive, with the potential to receive up to 400 reward points (points which you can spend on in-game gear for your character) for winning a Deathmatch game. However, in the case of a tie, both players teams will win the points. Players quickly realized that if everyone agreed to not do ''anything'' for the whole five minute match, everyone would get 400 points. Players farmed for thousands of points for a week until the next update, which lowered the amount of points earned to 200 points and awarded no points for ties.



* [[GoddamnBats Goddamn Scarabs]]: Imagine a tiny, three-armed robot (often holding a gun in one hand) capable of rolling around, hanging onto a wall to act like a security camera, and grabbing onto you to deliver an electric shock. Now imagine dozens of these little bastards climbing all over you because you triggered an alert. For bonus irritation points, they're small enough that it's easy to not notice them the same way you'd notice a tall human, and you could wind up wandering right into their path. Chaff grenades, the one thing that can stun machines in this franchise, are also ''extremely'' rare in this game.

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* [[GoddamnBats Goddamn Scarabs]]: GoddamnBats: Scarabs. Imagine a tiny, three-armed robot (often holding a gun in one hand) capable of rolling around, hanging onto a wall to act like a security camera, and grabbing onto you to deliver an electric shock. Now imagine [[ZergRush dozens of these little bastards climbing all over you because you triggered an alert.alert]]. For bonus irritation points, they're small enough that it's easy to not notice them the same way you'd notice a tall human, and you could wind up wandering right into their path. Chaff grenades, the one thing that can stun machines in this franchise, are also ''extremely'' rare in this game.



** The ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' novelization features a lot of reference to religion, the Bible, Christianity, Jesus, and God at various points. Project Itoh certainly will at least meet them shortly after writing the book.
** Either this or the trope below, but in 2014, the same year this game is set, [[http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527561/military-funds-brain-computer-interfaces-to-control-feelings/ DARPA is working on brain implants that can regulate emotions]].

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** The ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' novelization features a lot of reference to religion, the Bible, Christianity, Jesus, and God at various points. Project Itoh certainly will at least meet met them shortly after writing the book.
** Either this or the trope below, but in 2014, the same year this game is set, [[http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527561/military-funds-brain-computer-interfaces-to-control-feelings/ DARPA is began working on brain implants that can regulate emotions]].



* HilariousInHindsight: Multiple cutscenes in the first two acts have someone [[WorldBuilding explaining background information to Snake]], to which Snake assumes the Patriots are somehow involved and the person talking to them shoots that theory down. Then come Act 3 and [[spoiler:it turns out Snake was right ''every single time this happened''.]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: Multiple cutscenes in the first two acts have someone [[WorldBuilding explaining background information to Snake]], to which Snake [[SingleIssueWonk assumes the Patriots are somehow involved involved]] and the person talking to them shoots that theory down. Then come Act 3 and [[spoiler:it turns out Snake was right ''every single time this happened''.]]



* MarySue: Naomi. In ''[=MGS1=]'', she was a revenge-obsessed doctor who wanted to kill Snake for the longest time, but slowly grows to understand the man and seemingly forgives him. In this game, however, she ends up this amazingly well spoken, beloved by all character that's seen as this huge tragic loss by her death, as well as apparently being the one to come up with the original concepts for the virus to kill JD. This suddenly upgraded her to this all encompassing hero to the point it even overshadows Snake.
* MagnificentBastard: Do you even need to ask? Ocelot was already a MagnificentBastard in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' and ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3'' but with this game, he became one of the most magnificent bastards in all of fiction.

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* MarySue: Naomi. In ''[=MGS1=]'', she was a revenge-obsessed doctor who wanted to kill Snake for the longest time, but slowly grows to understand the man and seemingly forgives him. In this game, however, she ends up this amazingly well spoken, beloved by all character that's to the point her sudden and completely-unnecessary death is seen as this huge a huge, tragic loss by her death, loss, as well as apparently being the one to come up with the original concepts for the virus to kill JD. This suddenly upgraded her to this all encompassing hero to the point it even overshadows Snake.
* MagnificentBastard: Do you even need to ask? Ocelot was already a MagnificentBastard in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'' and ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3'' ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'' but with this game, he became one of the most magnificent bastards in all of fiction.



** Raiden's "I am lightning, the rain transformed". While famous for how the badassery behind Raiden it resulted in people trying to come up with similar phrases like "I am hamburger, the cow transformed."

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** Raiden's "I am lightning, the rain transformed". While famous for how the badassery behind Raiden it resulted in people trying to come up with similar phrases like "I am hamburger, the cow transformed."
2nd Jan '16 4:56:42 PM moongalleon22
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** Snake's comments about Samus Aran in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrothersBrawl'' - namely, that he's attracted to her - become this upon the introduction of the Beauty and Beast Corps; an entire group of women who wear "sneaking suits" and big power armour, just like Samus does. Not only could he not tell that they were women at first (unlike with Samus), but he seems mildly repelled by them.

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** Snake's comments about Samus Aran in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrothersBrawl'' - namely, that he's attracted to her - become this upon the introduction of the Beauty and Beast Corps; an entire group of women who wear "sneaking suits" and big power armour, just like Samus does. Not only could he not tell that they were women at first (unlike with Samus), but he seems mildly repelled by them. Guess they're not "your kind of woman" after all, eh Snake?
2nd Jan '16 4:53:37 PM moongalleon22
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** Snake's comments about Samus Aran in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrothersBrawl'' - namely, that he's attracted to her - become this upon the introduction of the Beauty and Beast Corps; an entire group of women who wear "sneaking suits" and big power armour, just like Samus does. Not only could he not tell that they were women at first (unlike with Samus), but he seems mildly repelled by them.
1st Jan '16 3:00:53 PM flyingfishcake
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* ContestedSequel: From a fan standpoint, the game is either it's a fantastic finale to a great franchise, a game that isn't as good as ''Metal Gear Solid 3'' but is still entertaining in its own right, or a substandard military shooter with a story that ruined the series. However, from a critical standpoint, the game is usually seen as Kojima's MagnumOpus.

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* ContestedSequel: From a fan standpoint, the game is either it's a fantastic finale to a great franchise, a game that isn't as good as ''Metal Gear Solid 3'' but is still entertaining in its own right, or a substandard military shooter with a story that ruined the series. However, from a critical standpoint, the game is usually In retrospect, it's often seen as Hideo Kojima's MagnumOpus.JumpingTheShark moment, due to its excessively convoluted story.
23rd Dec '15 11:00:34 AM moongalleon22
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** [[TheSmartGuy Otacon]]: In particular, [[spoiler:Naomi seducing him to procure information for Liquid and Vamp. Her betrayal, double betrayal, and subsequent death, really hit Otacon hard]].

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** [[TheSmartGuy Otacon]]: In particular, [[spoiler:Naomi seducing him to procure information for Liquid and Vamp. Her betrayal, double betrayal, and subsequent death, really hit Otacon hard]]. He's also keenly aware of how little time Snake has left to live, something that he's clearly finding difficult to cope with on top of everything else.
13th Dec '15 2:07:02 PM Matt620
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Though panned by many players in ''[=MGS2=]'', Raiden was rather well received in ''[=MGS4=]'' and ''Revengeance'' after becoming a {{badass}} and slightly AxCrazy {{cyborg}} [[InstantAwesomeJustAddNinja ninja]].

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Though panned by many players in ''[=MGS2=]'', Raiden was rather well received in ''[=MGS4=]'' and ''Revengeance'' after becoming a {{badass}} and slightly AxCrazy {{cyborg}} [[InstantAwesomeJustAddNinja ninja]].ninja]].
** To a lesser extent, Rosemary. Most fans didn't care for her overly dramatic and annoying moments over the codec in the second game. In the fourth game, fans didn't like the fact that she was [[spoiler: married to the Colonel, although once it was revealed she did it to protect Raiden and their child, fans warmed up to her.]] Her conversations with Snake about psychology were also very well written.
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