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16th May '16 6:22:29 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The game seems almost like an apology for the controversial aspects of its predecessor ''Sons of Liberty'': You play as Solid Snake's [identical] father for the entire story, Raiden and his ancestor are lampooned repeatedly in the game and supplemental materials, and there's little to no metafictional MindScrew aspects to the plot at all.
10th Apr '16 7:36:12 AM Silverblade2
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** SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: "There is no such thing as an enemy in absolute terms." The entire game is built around that message, and reminds you of it every chance it gets. Its relevance to The Boss' life is what gives it such a huge emotional weight.





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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: "There is no such thing as an enemy in absolute terms." The entire game is built around that message, and reminds you of it every chance it gets. Its relevance to The Boss' life is what gives it such a huge emotional weight.
25th Mar '16 7:52:44 AM Shippudentimes
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** Snake's [[spoiler:failure of Virtuous Mission, culminating in a massive nuclear detonation, [[IncrediblyLamePun the political fallout]] and ratcheting military tensions, and Snake being hospitalized with life-threatening wounds for a week after the mission]].
6th Feb '16 12:09:41 PM Freshmeat
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* MagnumOpus: While fans and critics agree [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain]] brought the series' gameplay formula as close to perfection as possible, ''Snake Eater'' seems to be better regarded where story and atmosphere are concerned. Thanks to its combination of a straightforward and exciting narrative, memorable characters and a stylish '60s spy movie vibe, this game has a special place in many a player's heart (see SacredCow below) and stands as a prime candidate for the definitive ''Metal Gear'' game and [[Creator/HideoKojima Hideo Kojima]]'s crowning achievement.
30th Jan '16 6:54:26 AM moongalleon22
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** The Boss also qualifies, as she had a lot of things taken away from her, including her father[[note]]Was killed by the Philosophers due to his revealing information about them that they didn't want revealed, and it's even worse as it's implied that he was the last of the founders to die.[[/note]], her son[[note]]She couldn't even so much as hold him due to the Philosophers abducting him shortly after birth.[[/note]], any chances of her having another child[[note]]Irradiation from Nevada nuclear testing that she took part of rendered her infertile.[[/note]], her lover[[note]]She was ordered to go to Tselinoyarsk to battle The Sorrow, an order that is heavily implied to be carried out with reluctance on her part.[[/note]], and eventually even her own life[[note]]Thanks to either an exceptionally bad method of planning, or as later games hint, a deliberate attempt to screw her over, her Fake Defection to retrieve the Philosophers' Legacy went horribly wrong due to Volgin deciding to use the Davy Crockett to destroy the Sokolov Design Bureau and nearly cause a Nuclear War.[[/note]] and legacy[[note]]she will be remembered as one of the most vile war criminals and traitors in recorded history.[[/note]].

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** The Boss also qualifies, as she had a lot of things taken away from her, including her father[[note]]Was killed by the Philosophers due to his revealing information about them that they didn't want revealed, and it's even worse as it's implied that he was the last of the founders to die.[[/note]], her son[[note]]She couldn't even so much as hold him due to the Philosophers abducting him shortly after birth.[[/note]], any chances of her having another child[[note]]Irradiation from Nevada nuclear testing that she took part of rendered her infertile.[[/note]], her lover[[note]]She was ordered to go to Tselinoyarsk to battle The Sorrow, an order that is heavily implied to be carried out with reluctance on her part.[[/note]], and eventually even her own life[[note]]Thanks to either an exceptionally bad method of planning, or as later games hint, a deliberate attempt to screw her over, her Fake Defection to retrieve the Philosophers' Legacy went horribly wrong due to Volgin deciding to use the Davy Crockett to destroy the Sokolov Design Bureau and nearly cause a Nuclear War.[[/note]] and legacy[[note]]she will be remembered as one of the most vile war criminals and traitors in recorded history.history, and while they both had the best of intentions, her last will is misinterpreted and twisted beyond recognition by Snake and Zero.[[/note]].
27th Jan '16 4:48:43 PM dracogeorge
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** The Fury is also explained in the same game. [[spoiler: He was actually [[DeadAllAlong dead]], and his body was [[DemonicPossesion possessed]] by a demon, but managed to keep control through [[Determinator sheer force of will]].]] [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Really]].

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** The Fury is also explained in the same game. [[spoiler: He was actually [[DeadAllAlong dead]], and his body was [[DemonicPossesion [[DemonicPossession possessed]] by a demon, but managed to keep control through [[Determinator sheer force of will]].will.]] [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Really]].
27th Jan '16 4:47:44 PM dracogeorge
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** It's finally explained in MetalGearSolid5, over a ''decade'' later - [[spoiler: He was infected with a benevolent parasite that let him control a pheremone bees respond to.]]
** The Fury is also explained in the same game. [[spoiler: He was actually dead, and his body was possessed by a demon, but managed to keep control through sheer force of will.]] [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Really]].

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** It's finally explained in MetalGearSolid5, [[MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain Metal Gear Solid 5]], over a ''decade'' later - [[spoiler: He was infected with a benevolent parasite that let him control a pheremone bees respond to.]]
** The Fury is also explained in the same game. [[spoiler: He was actually dead, [[DeadAllAlong dead]], and his body was possessed [[DemonicPossesion possessed]] by a demon, but managed to keep control through [[Determinator sheer force of will.will]].]] [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Really]].
27th Jan '16 4:44:39 PM dracogeorge
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**The Fury is also explained in the same game. [[spoiler: He was actually dead, and his body was possessed by a demon, but managed to keep control through sheer force of will.]] [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Really]].
31st Dec '15 2:34:10 AM MagBas
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* CanonSue: The Boss has actually been accused of being this lately. How she always says the right thing, how she always wins every fight, how everyone in both this game and [=MGS4=] laud her to the point of ridiculousness, how she has a tragic backstory on top of it all. The fact is, she often comes off as unrealistically perfect, and the people in game often treat her with complete and total reverence.
** This, like all YMMV tropes, can be debated of course; the fact is that, as perfect as The Boss seems, she repeatedly {{fail|ureHero}}s to accomplish her goals, and ends up being ThePawn to the Philosophers. Not to mention that her single act of defiance- inspiring Big Boss to fight the system- completely backfired by creating a far worse system than the Philosophers with the Patriots. Aside from that, she is ultimately eclipsed by her student in the final battle. In practice, the only Sue-like trait she has is her impeccable morality compared to other, similarly unbeatable soldiers (Big Boss, Ocelot, Solid Snake), and even that might just be a consequence of reduced screen time compared to them.
** And even if she is to be considered a CanonSue, TropesAreNotBad- [[spoiler: her seeming moral perfection compared to nearly every other character is precisely what makes her completely pointless death so utterly tragic. If she weren't perfect, the ending wouldn't be half as impactful.]]
** Then again, she brings along portable nuclear bombs that end up being used to kill a bunch of civilians and irradiating a formerly inhabited landscape, so she's certainly not completely innocent.
18th Dec '15 3:03:37 AM Ragitsu
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** However, if you were never a fan of Big Boss (considering he debuted as a straight up villain), it can potentially make the experience tiring.
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