History YMMV / MarvelLegacy

* CompleteMonster: [[WastelandWarlord King Maximillian Babbington]], the ruler of a post-nuclear United States of America, starts out as the leader of the [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain racist militia "Rampart"]], having previously had his men take a police station containing several children hostage. After Steve Rogers, AKA Captain America, prevents Rampart from hijacking a festival, Babbington lures Captain America into a trap before [[NukeEm using hundreds of nuclear warheads]] to decimate the USA to 10% of its former population--[[BodyHorror with many survivors being disfigured]]--and encasing Captain America in ice to put him on display. Succeeding on [=Earth-TRN850=], when Captain America is freed from his icy prison by resistance members as of 2025, the USA under Babbington has become a [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans fascist regime]], where allegedly inferior people are branded as such, and people are killed for so much as gathering together.

* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** One of the biggest complaints from fans has been the complete and utter deluge of CrisisCrossover events that shake up the status quo everytime someone sneezes, to the point that there pretty much [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore isn't even a status quo at all]]. Marvel has confirmed that they aren't even ''thinking'' of a major event for at least 18 months, though some do wish it was longer.
** After remarks from a retreat seem to blame fans hating "diversity" for the low sales, Marvel has gone on to say that they aren't removing any of their current characters at all and that some of them might branch off to other names and identities.
** Marvel confirming that many of their older titles will be returning to their old numbering has been this to many long time fans who disliked the "Seasonal Model" that Marvel has been using for the past half a decade. [[note]]Seasonal meant that books runs were often ended and then relaunched any time there was a status quo change from an event, {{Retool}}, or change of creative team. [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] for example has had '''''four''''' relaunches of her book ever since becoming Captain Marvel in 2012 - which is only five years ago at the time of writing![[/note]]
** And then we got the confirmation, in the form of [[http://www.cbr.com/secret-empire-marvel-panel-sdcc-2017/ the announcement]] of the return of "the Steve Rogers that we know and love" following ''Secret Empire''.
** The ending of ''Marvel Legacy'' #1 all but confirms that [[spoiler:the Fantastic Four will be coming back after Marvel previously cancelled their book over the dispute between Marvel and Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox]].
** ''Marvel Legacy'' #1 also follows up on fan-favorite [[ComicBook/AllNewGhostRider Robbie Reyes]], who had been ridiculously underutilized in recent years, even in his own book. It also follows up on the evolution of his powers; a plot point that would have been used in one of his future stories, had his book not been cancelled. Then it was confirmed that he would become part of the Avengers come Jason Aaron's run.

* DorkAge: While generally regarded as an improvement to recent years, the era isn't without its share of controversy, including the departure of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis to DC (though many fans who aren't fond of Bendis are happy), a partnership with arms manufacturer Northrop Grumman that had to be scrapped (but not before Creator/GWillowWilson threatened to bolt from the company if it went through), many contentious staffers (like writers Nick Spencer and Dan Slott, as well as editor Tom Brevoort and Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso) staying where they were, C.B. Cebulski had only just replaced Axel Alonso as EIC with hopes that he'd improve Marvel's image when it got out that writer "Akira Yoshida" was really just an alias Cebulski used, and many titles getting cancelled. And then things got worse when the presence of a new Thanos mini series set off Jim Starlin so badly -- as he'd been developing similar Thanos-focused storylines -- that he severed ties with the company and left the story arc of graphic novels involving the character unfinished.
** Only 6 months into the Legacy initiative, Marvel announced [[ComicBook/MarvelAFreshStart ANOTHER freaking relaunch]]. This has made many see Legacy as Axel Alonso's poorly planned last effort to keep his job, which Cebulski discarded after taking over as Editor-in-Chief.

** Dan Slott's [[LongRunner run]] as the writer of ''[[ComicBook/DanSlottSpiderMan Amazing Spider-Man]]'' will continue past ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire'' and straight into the Legacy era. Fans of the Slott run clash with those who can't stand it.

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** Marvel confirming that many of their older titles will be returning to their old numbering has been this to many long time fans who disliked the "Seasonal Model" that Marvel has been using for the past half a decade. [[note]]Seasonal meant that books runs were often ended and then relaunched any time there was a status quo change from an event, {{Retool}}, or change of creative team. [[Comicbook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] for example has had '''''four''''' relaunches of her book ever since becoming Captain Marvel in 2012 - which is only five years ago at the time of writing![[/note]]

** The ending of ''Marvel Legacy'' #1 all but confirms that [[spoiler: the Fantastic Four will be coming back after Marvel previously cancelled their book over the dispute between Marvel and Creator/TwentiethCenturyFox]].
** ''Marvel Legacy'' #1 also follows up on fan-favorite [[Comicbook/AllNewGhostRider Robbie Reyes]], who had been ridiculously underutilized in recent years, even in his own book. It also follows up on the evolution of his powers; a plot point that would have been used in one of his future stories, had his book not been cancelled. Then it was confirmed that he would become part of the Avengers come Jason Aaron's run.
* BrokenBase:

* DorkAge: While generally regarded as an improvement to recent years, the era isn't without its share of controversy, including the departure of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis to DC (though many fans who aren't fond of Bendis are happy), a partnership with arms manufacturer Northrop Grumman that had to be scrapped (but not before Creator/GWillowWilson threatened to bolt from the company if it went through), many contentious staffers (like writers Nick Spencer and Dan Slott, as well as editor Tom Brevoort and Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso) staying where they were, C.B. Cebulski had only just replaced Axel Alonso as EIC with hopes that he'd improve Marvel's image when it got out that writer "Akira Yoshida" was really just an alias Cebulski used, and many titles getting cancelled. And then things got worse when the presence of a new Thanos mini series set off Creator/JimStarlin so badly -- as he'd been developing similar Thanos-focused storylines -- that he severed ties with the company and left the story arc of graphic novels involving the character unfinished.
** Only 6 months into the Legacy initiative, Marvel announced [[ComicBook/MarvelAFreshStart ANOTHER freaking relaunch.]] This has made many see Legacy as Axel Alonso's poorly planned last effort to keep his job, which Cebulski discarded after taking over as Editor-in-Chief.

** [[spoiler:The end, where Valeria is finally ready to come home, which also double as a bit of a Tearjerker.]]

* StrawmanHasAPoint: X-Men Black: Mojo #1 has Mojo angrily state [[RealitySubtext the changes with the mutants he grew up with are terrible,]] [[TakeThatAudience alienating old fans like himself,]] and that he doesn’t mind change here and there, it just needs to be organic and still have good stories. Many derided Marvel for mocking what they considered perfectly valid criticisms, not helped by using Mojo as an AudienceSurrogate seemingly because he was ugly and fat as a way of further mocking critics.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: [[spoiler:Logan's resurrection is discovered by the time-displaced Jean Grey, a character with whom he had very little connection, rather than using current Wolverine — not to mention his ''daughter'' — Comicbook/{{X 23}}, whose discovery of his return would have carried far more impact.]]
* WinBackTheCrowd: This is Marvel's latest attempt to do such a thing, for the people turned off by the [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy darkness]] and mediocrity of various events and storylines. Time will tell if it succeeds.

* EnsembleDarkhorse: From a pre-release image alone, the prehistoric Ghost Rider. Because [[CrazyAwesome they're a flaming caveman skeleton riding a flaming mammoth!]] It helps that Jason Aaron has a good history with the ''Ghost Rider'' franchise.

** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbKkvTB4zkI&t=316s This]] video points out several aestethic problems with the issue's cover. While Cap is the focus center in the [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/1/1c/Marvel_Legacy_Vol_1_1_Double_Gatefold.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170923180522 unfolded version]] of the cover, the akward placement means Hulk's nipple is front and center in the [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/File:Marvel_Legacy_Vol_1_1.jpg folded version]], which is what most customers are going to see on the store.

* CounterpartComparison:
** [[AlliterativeName Valerie Vector]] aka Voyager, a new character being retconned into [[spoiler: being a founding member of the Avengers]]. Many have compared her to the [[TheSentry Sentry]], and to DC's Triumph, [[spoiler: both contemporary heroes retconned into their respective universe's early history]].
** ''Marvel Legacy'' #1 has been compared to ''DC Universe: Rebirth'' #1, since both essentially serve as the lauchpad for a relaunch intended to bring back what many perceive was lost from their respective universes. Both also use a fan favorite, very missed character as their narrators (Marvel: Valeria Richards, DC: Wally West) and bring back characters that were removed from their respective universe (Marvel: Logan, DC: Ryan Choi, Jackson Hyde). In addition, both feature a LegacyCharacter being tied more closely with their predecessors (Marvel: Robbie Reyes and the Ghost Rider lore, DC: Jaime Reyes and the previous Blue Beetles). Both also, strangely enough, involved the return of a character who had since been replaced by a different version of themselves (Marvel: Logan and Old Man Logan, DC: Wally West and [=NuWally=]).
** Marvel Legacy as a whole is the Marvel equivalent of DC YOU, a short-lived sort-of relaunch that failed to get people re-excited about a comic book company and had to be followed by another, more substantial relaunch.

* HypeBacklash:
** On June 22nd, Marvel teased they would reveal something the next day that would break the internet and change industry forever. On June 23rd, Marvel started doing press releases to several comic news media outlets about homage covers and some changes to their lineup, like Sam becoming Falcon again, resurrecting the Marvel Two-In-One title and featuring Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm and Spirits of Vengeance, a comic featuring the Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider, Blade, Daimon Hellstrom and Satanna. When it was all said and done, fans quickly ridiculed Marvel for being overly dramatic and hyperbolic, particularly when the number of reveals totaled [[ComicBook/New52 52]].
** Though there will actually be at least 54 titles, as neither Captain America nor Runaways were included. ''Captain America'' was left out until San Diego Comic Con, leaving a small two-month gap between issue #25 and jumping ahead to issue #695
** While some of the new status quos, like a non-Hydra Captain America, Punisher-as-War Machine, or a supernatural team were well received, the general consensus is that the whole thing is a glorified series of variant covers at best, and recycled plotlines at worst.
** [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/06/new-wolverines-legacy-brings-orphans-x-daken/ As]] [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/06/search-tony-stark-begins-invincible-iron-man-593-brian-bendis-stefano-caselli-marvel-legacy/ solititations]] [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/07/06/return-to-planet-hulk-greg-pak-greg-land-marvel-legacy/ started to arrive]], it appears that the books will have original covers, with the homage covers being just variants. This raises the question as to why Marvel would claim to be changing the industry right before releasing variant covers, which have become common in recent years and not at all a rarity for newly released books.
** The resurrections of Jean Grey and [[spoiler: Wolverine]] have so far proven to be less internet-breaking than Marvel anticipated, especially since one has a history of cheating death, while the other is so popular that pretty much everyone figured his return was only a matter of time to begin with. [[spoiler:Some noted that since Old Man Logan had been treated like Logan Classic to begin with, his return is even quite redundant.]]

*** Given they continued to announce crossover storylines and {{Bat Family Crossover}}s ever since, the promise rings rather hollow. And makes some exceptionally jaded readers "Define ''major'' and ''event''." or "So they'll flood us with ''minor'' ones?" remarks almost prophetic. Not helping matters is that the end of the one-shot teased ''another'' event involving the Infinity Stones, and within two months Marvel was already initiating a "Countdown" for it.
*** However said BatFamilyCrossover stories aren't taken long to deal with and usually seem to end in the span of at least one or two months. Making them quick and to the point without dregging through them via tie-ins, prologues, epilogues and the like.

*** Attempted but heavily failed with the confirmation that ''Fresh Start'' would feature both a relaunch number and the overall one. This was clearly an attempt to relaunch without discarding numbering, but most fans were instead quick to point out that this just made things more confusing.

* FunnyMoments:

* HeartwarmingMoments: Two in ''Marvel Legacy'' #1:

* DorkAge: While generally regarded as an improvement to recent years, the era isn't without its share of controversy, including the departure of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis to DC (though many fans who aren't fond of Bendis are happy), a partnership with arms manufacturer Northrop Grumman that had to be scrapped (but not before Creator/GWillowWilson threatened to bolt from the company if it went through), many contentious staffers (like writers Nick Spencer and Dan Slott, as well as editor Tom Brevoort and Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso) staying where they were, C.B. Cebulski had only just replaced Axel Alonso as EIC with hopes that he'd improve Marvel's image when it got out that writer "Akira Yoshida" was really just an alias Cebulski used, and many titles getting cancelled. And then things got worse when the presence of ''ComicBook/InfinityCountdown'' done to capitalize off of ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' set off Creator/JimStarlin so badly -- as he'd been developing similar Thanos-focused storylines -- that he severed ties with the company and left the story arc of graphic novels involving the character unfinished.

* DorkAge: While generally regarded as an improvement to recent years, the era isn't without its share of controversy, including the departure of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis to DC (though many fans who aren't fond of Bendis are happy), a partnership with arms manufacturer Northrop Grumman that had to be scrapped (but not before Creator/GWillowWilson threatened to bolt from the company if it went through), many contentious staffers (like writers Nick Spencer and Dan Slott, as well as editor Tom Brevoort and Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso) staying where they were, C.B. Cebulski had only just replaced Axel Alonso as EIC with hopes that he'd improve Marvel's image when it got out that writer "Akira Yoshida" was really just an alias Cebulski used, and many titles getting cancelled. And then things got worse when the presence of ''Infinity Countdown'' done to capitalize off of ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' set off Creator/JimStarlin so badly -- as he'd been developing similar Thanos-focused storylines -- that he severed ties with the company and left the story arc of graphic novels involving the character unfinished.

** Only 6 months into the Legacy initiative, Marvel announced [[MarvelAFreshStart ANOTHER freaking relaunch.]] This has made many see Legacy as Axel Alonso's poorly planned last effort to keep his job, which Cebulski discarded after taking over as Editor-in-Chief.

** ''Marvel Legacy'' #1 also follows up on fan-favorite [[Comicbook/AllNewGhostRider Robbie Reyes]], who had been ridiculously underutilized in recent years, even in his own book. It also follows up on the evolution of his powers; a plot point that would have been used in one of his future stories, had his book not been cancelled.

** The Cebulski/Yashiba situation. While some think it's enough to warrant Cebulski's resignation and view him having used a Japanese pen name while writing Japan-focused books at Marvel as cultural appropriation, others think it's not really a big deal, pointing out how male authors would use female pen names to write more female-oriented material like YA novels and that Cebulski seems to genuinely love the culture. Then there are people that disapprove of his actions but don't see them as justifying Cebulski being fired and want to wait to see if he has skills at being EIC.