History YMMV / MarvelCinematicUniverse

** Many have criticized the MCU for having weak villains, and for relying overly on LetsYouAndHimFight. What's not taken into account is that the rights of ''ComicBook/SpiderMan, ComicBook/FantasticFour, ComicBook/XMen'' were distributed to different studios in TheNineties, which includes not only the main characters but also the villains and supporting-characters, and greater WorldBuilding. As a result of them being ExiledFromContinuity for most of Phase One and Phase Two, many of Marvel's best villains and greatest threats (the likes of ComicBook/NormanOsborn, ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, ComicBook/DoctorDoom) were not available to its film-makers and writers. James Gunn, the director of ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy2014'' pointed out that he wanted Annihilus but he can't access it because of the rights issues, while Ego the Living Planet, a RoguesGalleryTransplant for the sequel was only allowed after a deal with Fox Studios. So while the writers and directors can be criticized for their stories, the fact is they don't have a full deck, unlike DC[=/=]WB which ''does'' have the rights to all its characters. Of course, how much this changes after the buyout of 20th Century Fox (and thus all ''X-Men''/''Fantastic Four''-related properties) remains to be seen.

** Many have criticized the MCU for having weak villains, and for relying overly on LetsYouAndHimFight. What's not taken into account is that the rights of ''Franchise/SpiderMan, ComicBook/FantasticFour, ComicBook/XMen'' were distributed to different studios in TheNineties, which includes not only the main characters but also the villains and supporting-characters, and greater WorldBuilding. As a result of them being ExiledFromContinuity for most of Phase One and Phase Two, many of Marvel's best villains and greatest threats (the likes of ComicBook/NormanOsborn, ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, ComicBook/DoctorDoom) were not available to its film-makers and writers. James Gunn, the director of ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy2014'' pointed out that he wanted Annihilus but he can't access it because of the rights issues, while Ego the Living Planet, a RoguesGalleryTransplant for the sequel was only allowed after a deal with Fox Studios. So while the writers and directors can be criticized for their stories, the fact is they don't have a full deck, unlike DC[=/=]WB which ''does'' have the rights to all its characters. Of course, how much this changes after the buyout of 20th Century Fox (and thus all ''X-Men''/''Fantastic Four''-related properties) remains to be seen.

** Two notable ones from the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' mythos.

** Quite a few people have made the case that Captain America is a better Franchise/{{Superman}} than the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse incarnation of the character, due to being {{ideal|Hero}}istic and old-fashioned in a similar way to most depictions of Superman, instead of making the character [[AdaptationalAngstUpgrade more brooding and angsty]] in a misguided attempt at making him DarkerAndEdgier. [[https://www.polygon.com/2016/11/18/13668760/marvel-superman-captain-america This article]] explains it further.

* BaseBreakingCharacter:
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** Iron Man is the biggest firestorm of the MCU. At first he was incredibly well-received due to Creator/RobertDowneyJr's snarky and often ad-libbed performance to the point that the actor underwent a CareerResurrection, and it revived the character's flagging reputation in the comics as he had been in the middle of an AudienceAlienatingEra. But over time the same traits that made him so popular also earned him a lot of HypeBacklash, and now the mere mention of him is an easy way to start passionate arguments.
*** The first lynchpin of debate revolves around his ByronicHero characterization and subsequent perception as a JerkassWoobie. His fans find his snark and [[AwesomeEgo ego awesome]] and believe that his Woobie side dominates. They point to his sad backstory, his genuine desire to do good, and the fact that nobody else is a greater critic of him than his own self. They believe that his detractors are [[RonTheDeathEater too harsh]] on him, and that the other characters don't give him enough respect, noting that whatever wrongdoings he's guilty of, [[TheAtoner he]] ''[[TheAtoner always]]'' [[TheAtoner tries to do the right thing in the end]] (and sometimes pointing out that a lot of them may not necessarily even be his fault). Critics find his snark and ego insufferable and believe that his Jerkass side dominates. They point to his selfish and arrogant TechBro personality, how all the conflicts of the movies he appears are [[CreateYourOwnVillain in some way tied back to him or his company]], and that other characters who are guilty of subjectively less wrongdoing are punished more harshly than him. They believe that his defenders tend to [[DracoInLeatherPants downplay]] these aspects or blame others for them, and note that even if he's not ''entirely'' responsible for the conflicts he starts, that he nevertheless has a frustrating tendency to exacerbate them with his actions ([[BystanderSyndrome or in some cases, inaction]].)
*** The second lynchpin of debate deals with his SpotlightStealingSquad treatment and the MCU's tendency to subject him to WolverinePublicity to the point that he overshadows Captain America as the main or lead Avenger. His fans love his expanded prominence and believe that he's such a fun character that [[JustHereForGodzilla it's justified]] (movies where he appears are big box-office draws), and that the MCU's tendency to use him for AdaptationOriginConnection streamlines continuity. Others see his increased screentime as favoritism that parasitizes off other characters' roles and contributions[[labelnote:*]]For example creating [[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Ultron]] in place of Hank Pym, being part of the origin stories of [[Film/SpiderManHomecoming Vulture]] and [[Film/SpiderManFarFromHome Mysterio]], his heavy role in ''[[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar Civil War]]'' which many viewers felt came at the expense of development for Cap himself or his supporting cast, or becoming a mentor and parental substitute of sorts for Spider-Man at the expense of a stronger presence for Uncle Ben, who has yet to be mentioned by name[[/labelnote]]. In addition other MCU characters were seen to be increasingly snarky like him (or Spider-Man), giving them and the movies something of a "same-y" feel according to these detractors. The ending of ''Film/AvengersEndgame'' [[spoiler:in which he sacrifices his life to stop Thanos for good, becoming the ultimate savior of the universe, and receives a grandiose funeral at the end]], ensured these debates would never end even after [[spoiler:his death]], as one side believes that it's poetic justice for the character who helped kickstart the MCU, while others view it as the franchise enshrining his CharacterShilling and making it so that the universe continues to revolve around him [[spoiler:posthumously]], particularly since [[spoiler:Black Widow, another founding Avenger, ''also'' sacrificed herself and didn't receive a fraction of the acknowledgement, with the in-universe justification being seen as a HandWave double standard]].
** Like Tony, Loki was once extremely popular and considered one of the best, if not ''the'' best villain the MCU had to offer prior to Phase Three, but has since become extremely divisive and for similar reasons. His defenders highlight his charisma, complexity, and sympathetic backstory, believing the increased focus on him in later works is a justified response to a BreakoutCharacter that expands on his character. He is also broadly known even to MCU outsiders for having a sizeable and particularly intense EstrogenBrigade of devotees, who whether rightly or wrongly are frequently regarded as engaging in DracoInLeatherPants interpretations of the character. Meanwhile his detractors consider him a highly overrated SpotlightStealingSquad whose screentime and development is PanderingToTheBase at [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter the expense of characters who needed it more]], or believe his backstory [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse doesn't justify]] his villainous actions and that that the MCU's focus on him is PanderingToTheBase and validating of DracoInLeatherPants interpretations that gives him an easy pass for crimes less popular characters wouldn't get. Unsurprisingly a fair number of Loki fans [[FriendlyFandoms are also huge fans]] of fellow base breakers Tony or Wanda.
** Thor Odinson, or, more accurately, how he's been characterized from Phase 3 onwards.[[note]]With the exception of ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', which tends to be seen as a good balance between both characterizations.[[/note]] ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' gave substantial tweaks to Thor's characterization as a result of Creator/ChrisHemsworth [[CreatorBacklash being dissatisfied with how his character was being written]]. Consequently, Thor has gone from a [[TheStoic stoic]] ProudWarriorRaceGuy to a BoisterousBruiser {{Manchild}} constantly cracking quips. Some fans approve of this change, feeling it turns Thor from a FlatCharacter into somebody far more engaging. Others argue that Hemsworth was trying to fix something that wasn't broken, resulting in Thor feeling less distinct in a WorldOfSnark like the MCU. There's also complaints that the changes in Thor's characterization regressed his CharacterDevelopment from the first two phases and turned him into a joke.
** Steve Rogers. Opinions on the other base-breakers, Tony and Wanda, affect opinions of Steve, with Tony fans ''despising'' Steve and vice versa (especially from Phase 3 onward), while Wanda fans and Steve fans tend to go hand-in-hand.
*** Initially Steve was moderately divisive in the first two phases due to an acute case of DependingOnTheWriter. The ''Captain America'' films characterized him as firmly on the "Good" side of ToBeLawfulOrGood, frequently challenging authority and standing up against oppressive rules to do the right thing. Meanwhile, his portrayal in the first two ''Avengers'' movies is the complete opposite, earning him a large camp of detractors who see him as a stodgy LawfulStupid JerkAss. As a result, fans of Steve's solo films tended to view him the most sympathetically while fans who only knew him from the first two ''Avengers'' films tended to be his most vocal critics.
*** ''Civil War'', which was deliberately meant to show Steve's more complicated side, opened the floodgates due to Steve choosing to side with his childhood friend Bucky Barnes over his current friend Tony, as well as the revelation that he kept the truth of Bucky having assassinated Tony's parents under mind control from him, leading to the dissolution of the Avengers. Haters consider Steve's behavior to Tony a betrayal of their friendship and unforgivably hypocritical for resisting the Accords after criticizing SHIELD's lack of oversight in ''The Winter Soldier''. Defenders argue that Steve's opposition to the Accords is logically consistent given the events of ''The Winter Soldier'' justified his cynicism about regulation being extremely dangerous in the hands of evil men like Ross, and that pinning the blame entirely on Steve for splitting the Avengers is ridiculous considering he wasn't even sure about Bucky's involvement, validated when ''Infinity War'' establishes that Tony is equally culpable for refusing to reconcile after Steve gave him the option to.
*** ''Avengers: Endgame'' and onward brought Steve back into base-breaking territory for good, [[spoiler:with portions of the Peggy, Bucky, Sam, and Sharon fandoms ''also'' out for his blood after his extremely controversial ending there,]] elaborated in more detail on the work's [[YMMV/AvengersEndgame own page]]. Ironically, [[spoiler:opinions on Steve's ending in ''Endgame'' tend to run in the opposite direction as expected, with it being one of the few things Tony fans who otherwise hate the character approve of, and conversely, many of Steve's supporters do ''not'' defend it, instead treating his depiction in that film as a form of [[OutOfCharacter derailment]] and the kind of exception that proves the rule regarding his previous actions.]]
** Peter Quill aka Star-Lord. While Star-Lord was well-liked in his first two films, Quill's popularity would take a sharp hit in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' for attacking Thanos at the worst possible moment, allowing Thanos to recover and ultimately [[TheBadGuyWins beat the heroes]], and again when ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' showed [[Recap/WhatIfS1E2WhatIfTChallaBecameAStarLord how much safer the Galaxy would've been had T'Challa been abducted instead of Quill]], down to Thanos pulling a HeelFaceTurn. These events caused many to see Quill's immaturity as obnoxious and detrimental to the universe instead of endearing. However, Quill does still have many fans who point to his wit and leadership skills. Fans also find it unfair to blame the heroes losing in ''Infinity War'' solely on him by citing other screw-ups by the heroes,[[note]]The Avengers having broken up prior to Thanos' invasion, Dr. Strange refusing to destroy the Time Stone, Nebula choosing that exact moment to tell Quill about Gamora's death, Thor not decapitating Thanos when he had the chance...[[/note]] and find the ''What-If'' episode to be too unrealistic to hold against Quill.
** Wanda Maximoff. Her detractors see her as an unhinged psycho who gets away with frightening amounts of damage, such as deliberately unleashing the Hulk on a rampage and being indirectly responsible for Tony creating Ultron and thus all the people who later died (including her own brother and Zemo's family). They argue that her reasons for trying to kill Tony are spurious and that she never took responsibility for Ultron, thus her membership in the New Avengers makes her a galling KarmaHoudini when characters like Tony and Loki get more flak in-universe for less. Her defenders consider her a deeply sympathetic JerkassWoobie whose troubled and traumatic upbringing makes it difficult to ascertain just how fully conscious she was of the consequences for her actions, that the death of her beloved brother at Ultron's hands was her karmic punishment, and that her HeelFaceTurn and subsequent work for the Avengers was her way of doing redemption for her past crimes. Given Tony's own base-breaking status and the ties between his backstory and Wanda's, opinions on the two are often heavily intertwined, with fans of one character usually loathing the other, and vice versa.
*** The fandom's conflicting thoughts on Wanda only got worse with the release of ''Series/WandaVision'', which has her creating an entire sitcom dream-world for her and a copy of Vision to inhabit while also [[MindRape mind raping]] the citizens of the town of Westview to act like side characters in "the show world". Some believe that the agonizing grief and delirium Wanda was going through make those actions understandable and her leaving Westview to study the Darkhold will help her understand her powers better. Others believe that Wanda knew exactly what she was doing, was given far too much sympathy for committing such heinous acts, and she deserves to be imprisoned or given some sort of comeuppance for essentially brainwashing and holdings an entire town captive for selfish reasons.
*** And ''then'' ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' pushed the debates to new heights when [[spoiler: Wanda goes off the deep end and becomes a straight-up villain. Fans are incredibly conflicted over whether her FaceHeelTurn was natural given her prior actions and the events of ''Series/WandaVision'', or if it was AesopAmnesia after everything Wanda went through in ''Series/WandaVision''. The hasty reveal that she was corrupted by the Darkhold made things even worse. Even those who ''like'' the idea of Wanda as a villain are conflicted on whether it should've happened like this.]]
** While Spider-Man's introduction to the MCU had been something long anticipated, its portrayal of Peter Parker proved to be very controversial. Fans adore Tom Holland's portrayal for bringing in the youthful energy and High School-based dilemmas that had been mostly absent from the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy previous]] [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries iterations]] of the character in film, and appreciate his father/son relationship with Tony Stark as a unique take on the hero. Detractors, however, feel Spider-Man was turned into a supporting character for Iron Man as even [[spoiler: following Tony's death]] much of Peter's first two solo films are overshadowed by Iron Man; in both films, Spider-Man's arc is dominated by having to live up to Iron Man, the villains are motivated by grudges against Tony Stark and much of Peter's gear was handed down from Tony. The absence of Uncle Ben only fueled accusations that Tony was replacing Ben as Peter's mentor and inspiration, leading to some detractors calling this incarnation of Peter Parker "Iron Boy Jr.". ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' made great strides to address these complaints by [[spoiler: having Peter work alongside both of his Live-Action predecessors and ultimately sacrifice everything he had to ensure the multiverse's safety]]. While that film alleviated criticisms that Peter was too much of a passive supporting character, others feel that [[spoiler: having Peter lose all his friends, family, and belongings]] is far too much of an overcorrection, or simply feel these corrections arrived too little too late.

** The Multiverse Saga has been getting hit with this criticism thanks to the SeasonalRot of Phase Four, which is the first phase to come after the high of ''Film/AvengersEndgame'' which provided a well-received ending to the Infinity Saga that preceded it. The year-long hiatus between the sagas caused by the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic also didn't help lower hype and expectations once Phase Four finally started.

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* SeasonalRot: While Phase Four got off to a strong start, as a whole it is considered to be weaker than those before it. Common criticisms include the basic stories [[StrictlyFormula becoming repetitive]] and [[StatusQuoIsGod lacking status quo changes]] (often despite promising major shake-ups), lower quality special effects, a lack of consistency in setting up the multiverse, little clear sense of plot progression (as opposed to Phase Three, where every film made a clear contribution to the overall MythArc), and being paradoxically too long and also [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot too short]] to make the most of their runtime, as well as [[ContinuityLockout overly continuity-heavy]]. Some have pointed out that at least part of this can be attributed to coming off the high of Phase Three and Marvel being unsure [[ToughActToFollow what could possibly live up to or surpass it]].

* SeasonalRot: Phase Four as a whole is considered to be weaker than those before it. Common criticisms include the basic stories becoming repetitive and lacking status quo changes, lower quality special effects, the lack of consistency in setting up the multiverse, little clear sense of plot progression, and being paradoxically too long and also [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot too short]] to make the most of their runtime, as well as [[ContinuityLockout overly continuity-heavy]]. Some would argue at least part of this can be attributed to coming off the high of Phase Three and living up to it.

** Peter Quill aka Star-Lord. While Star-Lord was well-liked in his first two films, Quill's popularity would take a sharp hit in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' for attacking Thanos at the worst possible moment, allowing Thanos to recover and ultimately [[TheBadGuyWins beat the heroes]], and again when ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf'' showed [[Recap/WhatIfS1E2WhatIfTChallaBecameAStarLord how much safer the Galaxy would've been had T'Challa been abducted instead of Quill]], down to Thanos pulling a HeelFaceTurn. These events caused many to see Quill's immaturity as obnoxious and detrimental to the universe instead of endearing. However, Quill does still have many fans who point to his wit and leadership skills. Fans also find it unfair to blame the heroes losing in ''Infinity War'' solely on him by citing other screw-ups by the heroes,[[note]]The Avengers having broken up prior to Thanos' invasion, Dr. Strange refusing to destroy the Time Stone, Nebula choosing that exact moment to tell Quill about Gamora's death, Thor not decapitating Thanos when he had the chance...[[/note]] and find the ''What-If'' episode to be too unrealistic to hold against Quill.

*** And ''then'' ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' pushed the debates to new heights when [[spoiler: Wanda goes off the deep end and becomes a straight-up villain. Fans are incredibly conflicted over whether her FaceHeelTurn was natural given her prior actions and the events of ''Series/WandaVision'', or if it was CharacterDerailment and AesopAmnesia after everything Wanda went through in ''Series/WandaVision''. The hasty reveal that she was corrupted by the Darkhold made things even worse. Even those who ''like'' the idea of Wanda as a villain are conflicted on whether it should've happened like this.]]

* ThemePairing:
** Thor from ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' and Storm from ''ComicBook/XMen'' is a pairing with a substantial following because both have weather and ShockAndAwe superpowers. It was further spurred by the creators making them an [[AscendedFanon official couple]] in ''ComicBook/MarvelAdventures'', albeit the start of their relationship happens off-screen as revealed in the 29th issue. Their FanNickname is "biracial thunder babies".
** Wanda, Loki, and Dr. Strange are frequently shipped together due to their shared affinity for magic, even though they've otherwise never interacted with each other. The news that Wanda will be appearing in the upcoming ''Film/DoctorStrangeInTheMultiverseOfMadness'' adds fuel to the [[IdiosyncraticShipNaming ScarletStrange]] ship.

* [[WTHCastingAgency/MarvelCinematicUniverse WTH Casting Agency]]

* SeasonalRot: Phase Four as a whole is considered to be weaker than those before it. Common criticisms include the basic stories becoming repetetive and lacking status quo changes, lower quality special effects, the lack of consistency in setting up the multiverse and Kang as the new villain, and being paradoxically too long and also [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot too short]] to make the most of their runtime, as well as [[ContinuityLockout overly continuity-heavy]]. Some would argue at least part of this can be attributed to coming off the high of Phase Three and living up to it.

** Anyone hoping to see a full-length adventure with Thor as a member of the Guardians of the Galaxy were left disappointed after ''Thor: Love and Thunder'' had Thor almost immediately part ways with the Guardians after only a brief segment in which the Guardians weren't given much to do and Thor was shown being more of an annoyance rather than a member of the team.

** This trope is the reason behind the two major {{Role Repris|e}}als in the franchise: Creator/JKSimmons as J. Jonah Jameson and Creator/RyanReynolds as ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}, whose performances were so universally acclaimed in their own [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy unrelated]] [[Film/XMenFilmSeries franchises]] that Kevin Feige admitted it would be unthinkable to try and replace them.

* SeasonalRot: Phase Four as a whole is considered to be weaker than those before it. Common criticisms include the basic stories becoming repetative and lacking status quo changes, lower quality special effects, the lack of clearly handling setting up the multiverse and Kang as the new villain and being even longer and more continuity heavy. Some would argue at least part of this can be attributed to coming off the high of Phase Three and living up to it.

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** The MCU Spider-Man, particularly in his own movies. While most, if not all, praise Tom Holland himself for his acting ability and endearing off-screen presence, there's been a growing trend of people who really dislike how his film version is portrayed, which is a contributing factor to Tony Stark's own HypeBacklash given Peter is written as a fanboy of Tony. Peter suffers from a major AdaptationPersonalityChange, going from a somewhat nerdy, insecure Everyman who appreciated other heroes and playfully idolised Captain America, but was more [[IWorkAlone the loner]] due to being socially awkward, to instead being a more confident ExtravertedNerd who utterly adores other heroes, ''especially'' Iron Man, whom he sees as a surrogate father and spends more time [[spoiler:grieving for]] than he's done for his Uncle Ben, who isn't even ''mentioned by name''. Much of Peter's traditional canon personality is instead InformedAttribute, where we're merely told he's unpopular, poor, and not great with girls, despite having no shortage of friends, being well-liked by his classmates outside of Flash Thompson [[note]](who inversely, is written as an effeminate [[TheFriendNobodyLikes classmate nobody likes]] whose backstory of being abused at home is reduced to a joke about being neglected)[[/note]], attends an expensive charter school with no indication how Aunt May pays for it, and has no trouble pursuing his love interests. However, due to the films' popularity and Tom Holland's beloved status, the films are considered and treated as the ''best'' take on Spider-Man, something that's contested by fans of the previous film franchises, the animated shows, and the comics.

* CharacterPerceptionEvolution: Thor's more comedic characterization starting with ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' was originally embraced by fans, due to Thor's previous appearances having him act [[TheComicallySerious as a boring straight man]] to the Avengers' snarky and jokey chemistry, making him feel relatively flat by comparison. As such, giving Thor some more lighthearted and funny moments was a nice change of pace, and also made sense given all his time spent with the Avengers at the time. By the time of Film/ThorLoveAndThunder however, Thor's goofy personality had become exaggerated and had long overstayed its welcome, to the point where the ''Guardians of the Galaxy'' were now more serious characters than he was. As such, many people now think that making Thor more comedic ultimately changed the character for the worse, given his inability to take anything seriously for more than a second.

* TheChrisCarterEffect: Phase 4 suffered from this for many fans. After building up and culminating the MythArc of the Infinity Saga, most of Phase 4's installments were standalone and lacking connection between each other. While it seemed like a good idea in theory, in practice it only served to frustrate longtime viewers who felt that each individual installment felt meandering and pointless without anything to tie them together.

** Despite going even darker than [[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice its predecessor]], Marvel fans are pretty open to ''Film/TheBatman''.

** While Spider-Man's introduction to the MCU had been something long anticipated, its portrayal of Peter Parker proved to be very controversial. Fans adore Tom Holland's portrayal for bringing in the youthful energy and High School based dilemmas that had been mostly absent from the [[Film/SpiderManTrilogy previous]] [[Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries iterations]] of the character in film, and adore his father/son relationship with Tony Stark, viewing it as a unique take on the hero that stays true to the core concept. Detractors however feel Spider-Man was turned into a supporting character for Iron Man noting how even [[spoiler: following Tony's death]] much of Peter's films are dominated by Spider-Man having to live up to Iron Man with grudges against Tony Stark being the motives behind the villains in his first two solo films, with many fans criticizing how the films go out of their way to avoid mentioning Uncle Ben, and how most of Peter's gear was hand-me-downs from Stark. Some detractors go as far as to call this incarnation of Peter Parker "Iron Boy Jr." feeling he doesn't deserve the moniker of Spider-Man. While ''Film/SpiderManNoWayHome'' made great strides to address these complaints by [[spoiler: having Peter work alongside both of his Live-Action predecessors and ultimately sacrifice everything he had to ensure the multiverse's safety, with Peter back at square one by the film's end]]. But this caused some to feel that [[spoiler: having Peter lose all his friends, family, and belongings]] is far too much of an overcorrection, or simply feel these changes arrived too little too late.

** Creator/TaikaWaititi gets highly praised for the pepped-up ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', which is generally considered to be the best ''Thor'' movie (as well as being called one of the best MCU movies in general). Though like with Joss Whedon, Waititi's [[Film/ThorLoveAndThunder followup to Ragnarok]] did diminish fans' perception of him.

** With the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse (and previous DC films like the ''The Dark Knight Trilogy''), continuing the Creator/MarvelComics[=/=]Creator/DCComics rivalry. The two franchises started out initially as different as [[DarkerAndEdgier night]] and [[LighterAndSofter day]] (unlike, however, [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse the Marvel]] and [[Franchise/TheDCU DC comics]] themselves, which are much the same in tone). It's grown so contentious that several creators and actors involved in both franchises (notably Creator/JamesGunn, who's working for both) [[https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/924327546166042624 told people to knock it off]].

** While ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'' is considered worse than almost everything the MCU has produced (especially the second film), the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'' (particularly the first two films) is considered just as good, if not better than the best the MCU has produced. Others also insist that Sony's ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' is better than Marvel's animated takes on the character (''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan2012, WesternAnimation/MarvelsSpiderMan''), with ''Spectacular'' greatly inspiring the RaceLift of ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming''. The critical acclaim of ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' and the runaway financial success and cult appeal of ''Film/Venom2018'' (which is divisive critically but very popular among audiences) has likewise thrown a wrench into this since most critics considered ''Into the Spider-Verse'' a superior and more original film than ''Homecoming'' and many of the MCU movies (with Patrick Willems noting that it has an actual WorkingClassHero Spider-Man as compared to a billionaire's intern).

** Due to its status as a fellow Disney-owned CashCowFranchise, many ''Franchise/StarWars'' fans are also fond of Marvel. It helps that both franchise tend to share actors in their works, with Creator/OscarIsaac, Creator/SamuelLJackson and Creator/NataliePortman having been involved in both franchises. Both fans also enjoy each respective franchise's world-building.

** Fans of ''Franchise/StarWars'' also tend to get along with MCU fans, in part due to many actors, directors, writers and composers frequently overlapping with each other after Disney bought the former and began creating installments alongside the MCU's typical phase-driven content. The fact that many Marvel properties have given shoutouts to ''Star Wars'' certainly helps.

* ''YMMV/{{The Incredible Hulk|2008}}''

* ''YMMV/{{The Avengers|2012}}''

* ''YMMV/{{Guardians of the Galaxy|2014}}''

* ''YMMV/{{Doctor Strange|2016}}''

* ''YMMV/{{Black Panther|2018}}''

* ''YMMV/{{Captain Marvel|2019}}''

* ''YMMV/{{Loki|2021}}''
* ''YMMV/{{Black Widow|2021}}''
* ''[[YMMV/WhatIf2021 What If...?]]''

* ''YMMV/{{Hawkeye|2021}}''

* ''YMMV/{{Moon Knight|2022}}''

* ''[[YMMV/MsMarvel2022 Ms. Marvel]]''

* ''YMMV/{{Daredevil|2015}}''
* ''YMMV/{{Jessica Jones|2015}}''
* ''YMMV/{{Luke Cage|2016}}''
* ''YMMV/{{Iron Fist|2017}}''
* ''YMMV/{{The Defenders|2017}}''

* ''YMMV/{{The Punisher|2017}}''
* ''YMMV/{{Runaways|2017}}''
* ''[[YMMV/CloakAndDagger2018 Cloak & Dagger]]''

** The long-standing debate on whether or not the shows produced by Marvel TV should be considered canonical to the movies or not. The majority of the shows have their fans, with ''Series/{{Inhumans}}'' being the only real exception, but the decreasing amount of synergy with the films over time led some fans to question if Creator/JephLoeb's repeated claims that "It's all connected!" actually held water or not. [[note]]The shows initially had some high-profile talent from the movies involved, but that largely stopped being the case with Marvel Studios's creative emancipation from parent company Marvel Entertainment, which happened in the middle of 2015 and didn't catch up with the shows until 2016.[[/note]] A common defense at the time was that, since the shows covered different portions of the Marvel Universe than the movies, massive crossovers weren't needed, even though they could happen eventually. While fans were thrown a bone with ''Film/AvengersEndgame'' featuring a cameo from Creator/JamesDArcy as Edwin Jarvis, others were quick to point out that this is the '''only''' direct reference to the shows across 22 movies, and it was with the sole Marvel TV project that Creator/KevinFeige produced. Things were further thrown into question with the last few seasons of ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', which used a much different form of time travel than what was established in ''Endgame'', while the sixth season had an unavoidably massive ContinuitySnarl that ignored the ending of ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' (in spite of the last few episodes of the fifth season explicitly referencing Thanos's invasion). With Feige taking over for Loeb in 2019, and promoting the Creator/DisneyPlus series as being equally important to the films of the series (while not doing the same for any of the previous shows), it seems entirely possible that most of Marvel TV's output will fall under CanonDiscontinuity in favor of establishing new takes on the characters that the shows adapted -- but since Feige has yet to retract his past direct statements that the old shows ''do'' inhabit the same continuity as the film's, that hasn't stopped fans from arguing that the shows are still canon. The fact that the ABC and Hulu series were classified as ''Marvel Legacy'' in ''Creator/DisneyPlus'', ''Series/WandaVision'' disregarded the Darkhold's appearances in ''Agents of SHIELD'' and ''Series/Runaways2018'' with a completely different design and function, and ''Series/Loki2021'' insisted that Coulson really died in ''Film/TheAvengers2012'' put more wood in the fire, and both of those instances have been {{Hand Wave}}d by those shows' respective producers.

* YMMV/AntManAndTheWaspQuantumania
* YMMV/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol3

* StuckInTheirShadow: In a twist of irony considering their respective statuses in-universe, Thor Odinson has generally been overshadowed by Loki in popularity in Phases 1 and 2. While Thor does have his fans, he is regarded to be rather bland compared to his mischievous yet charismatic brother, whose journey from FallenHero to CardCarryingVillain to an AntiHero made him a compelling character to watch. In contrast, Thor has been criticized for lacking any significant CharacterDevelopment beyond his debut film, and it would only be in Phase 3 that Thor would finally strike out on his own.