History YMMV / Lincoln

29th Nov '16 10:56:55 PM bowserbros
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* {{Applicability}}: Several theories were raised about the film's relation to current modern-day issues, such as if it had a message about bipartisanship, social causes (*cough cough gay marriage*), pro-Obama in that it's about African-American equality, or pro-Republican in that that's the party most of the protagonists are. Even the State of Israel got in on it, after Prime Minister Ben Netanyahu and his aides saw the film and discussed both Lincoln's methods and the 1864 Congress's relation to their own 2013 political mixup.

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* {{Applicability}}: Several theories were raised about the film's relation to current modern-day issues, such as if it had a message about bipartisanship, social causes (*cough cough gay marriage*), pro-Obama in that it's about African-American equality, or pro-Republican in that that's the party most of the protagonists are.are (despite the Republican party being a primarily liberal one prior to the presidency of UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt). Even the State of Israel got in on it, after Prime Minister Ben Netanyahu and his aides saw the film and discussed both Lincoln's methods and the 1864 Congress's relation to their own 2013 political mixup.
25th Oct '16 5:39:44 PM 04tele
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* HarsherInHindsight: Lincoln's flag-raising speech. He did indeed raise the flag, with the Thirteenth Amendment; unfortunately, the people (especially if you include UsefulNotes/AndrewJohnson as one of them) didn't exactly keep it up, and the flag is still wobbly.
23rd Oct '16 4:12:24 PM yugi195
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** His incomprehensibility may also be a nod to the fact that in real life, Tad Lincoln had a disability that made it difficult to speak.
22nd Sep '16 9:23:47 PM nombretomado
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--> ''The implicit message of Lincoln [[RuleAbidingRebel (the necessity of political compromise) isn’t very radical]]. But when you consider the film, as a whole, against the backdrop of how America has handled the Civil War in popular culture, it is shockingly radical. It may seem ordinary to those of who study the War...but this is decidedly not the history presented in Film/TheBirthOfANation, in Film/GoneWithTheWind, in Hell on Wheels, in Ride With The Devil...''Lincoln'' says the Civil War is about slavery. Full Stop ...I have never seen these facts—basic history though they may—stated so forthrightly, without apology, in the sphere of mass popular culture.''

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--> ''The implicit message of Lincoln [[RuleAbidingRebel (the necessity of political compromise) isn’t very radical]]. But when you consider the film, as a whole, against the backdrop of how America has handled the Civil War in popular culture, it is shockingly radical. It may seem ordinary to those of who study the War...but this is decidedly not the history presented in Film/TheBirthOfANation, Film/{{The Birth of a Nation|1915}}, in Film/GoneWithTheWind, in Hell on Wheels, in Ride With The Devil...''Lincoln'' says the Civil War is about slavery. Full Stop ...I have never seen these facts—basic history though they may—stated so forthrightly, without apology, in the sphere of mass popular culture.''
22nd Sep '16 9:20:34 PM nombretomado
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: ''Lincoln'' is not the first film to speculate that Thaddeus Stevens [[spoiler:was married-by-common-law to his African-American maid]]. ''Film/TheBirthOfANation'' depicted it first with a CaptainErsatz of Stevens but used it to just further discredit him, while this film depicts it rightly as a very sweet thing.

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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: ''Lincoln'' is not the first film to speculate that Thaddeus Stevens [[spoiler:was married-by-common-law to his African-American maid]]. ''Film/TheBirthOfANation'' ''Film/{{The Birth of a Nation|1915}}'' depicted it first with a CaptainErsatz of Stevens but used it to just further discredit him, while this film depicts it rightly as a very sweet thing.
6th Sep '16 7:23:46 PM AllenbysEyes88
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* EndingFatigue: A couple of reviewers ([[http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/samuel-l-jackson-trashes-ending-of-steven-spielbergs-lincoln-20130102 and]] Creator/SamuelLJackson along with Creator/ConanOBrien and [[Music/TheWhiteStripes Jack White]]) argued that the film could have ended with the shot of Lincoln leaving the White House for Ford's Theater, rather than continuing on to the assassination [[spoiler:which isn't even depicted]].

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* EndingFatigue: A couple of reviewers ([[http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/samuel-l-jackson-trashes-ending-of-steven-spielbergs-lincoln-20130102 and]] Creator/SamuelLJackson along with Creator/ConanOBrien and [[Music/TheWhiteStripes Jack White]]) argued that the film could have ended with the shot of Lincoln leaving the White House for Ford's Theater, rather than continuing on to the assassination [[spoiler:which isn't even depicted]]. These scenes may have been [[TheArtifact a remnant of earlier incarnations of the script]], which covered the whole of Lincoln's presidency.
12th May '16 5:57:57 PM MurrayTheBlue
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** It also serves as as one to ''Film/AmazingGrace'', a biography of William Wilberforce, and his similar efforts to outlaw the slave-trade in the English Parliament.
3rd Jan '16 12:18:28 PM JulianLapostat
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* SpiritualSuccessor: Tony Kushner said that he and Spielberg saw this film as a delayed sequel to Creator/JohnFord's 1940 ''Film/YoungMrLincoln''. That film showed Lincoln at the very start of his career, this film shows Lincoln near the very end.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: Tony Kushner said that he and Spielberg saw this film as a delayed sequel to Creator/JohnFord's 1940 ''Film/YoungMrLincoln''. That film showed Lincoln at near the very start of his career, this film shows Lincoln near at the very end.
3rd Jan '16 12:17:46 PM JulianLapostat
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* SpiritualSuccessor: Tony Kushner said that he and Spielberg saw this film as a delayed sequel to Creator/JohnFord's 1940 ''Film/YoungMrLincoln''. That film showed Lincoln at the very start of his career, this film shows Lincoln near the very end.
30th Dec '15 8:35:32 AM JulianLapostat
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* ValuesResonance: Ta-Nehisi Coates, writing in The Atlantic noted that while on the surface, ''Lincoln'' was a conventional film, it was in fact wholly radical when compared to other films about the American Civil War:
--> ''The implicit message of Lincoln [[RuleAbidingRebel (the necessity of political compromise) isn’t very radical]]. But when you consider the film, as a whole, against the backdrop of how America has handled the Civil War in popular culture, it is shockingly radical. It may seem ordinary to those of who study the War...but this is decidedly not the history presented in Film/TheBirthOfANation, in Film/GoneWithTheWind, in Hell on Wheels, in Ride With The Devil...''Lincoln'' says the Civil War is about slavery. Full Stop ...I have never seen these facts—basic history though they may—stated so forthrightly, without apology, in the sphere of mass popular culture.''
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