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* CriticalBacklash: The series is still very polarizing and many of the decisions [[spoiler: such as Mara and Pellaeon's deaths]] are still utterly reviled by the fanbase, as shown by IdiotPlot and FanonDiscontinuity. However, in the wake of the Sequel Trilogy's handling of similar plot points, many fans have come around to Jacen's fall to the Dark Side and consider it to have been better handled than Kylo Ren's, usually citing a [[IDidWhatIHadToDo stronger motivation]] and that at least Darth Caedus was the ultimate BigBad of the story instead of just being TheHeavy the entire time like Kylo Ren was.
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* CriticalBacklash: The series is still very polarizing and many of the decisions [[spoiler: such as Mara and Pellaeon's deaths]] are still utterly reviled by the fanbase, as shown by IdiotPlot and FanonDiscontinuity. However, in the wake of the Sequel Trilogy's handling of similar plot points, many fans have come around to Jacen's fall to the Dark Side and consider it to have been better handled than Kylo Ren's, usually citing a [[IDidWhatIHadToDo stronger motivation]] and that at least Darth Caedus was the ultimate BigBad of the story instead of just being TheHeavy the entire time like Kylo Ren was.
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Okay so the person who removed it, I'm changing it to Critical Backlash, but I'm going to point out that I actually have gone and seen several forums and groups talking about their love for this series. Saying it's still based on Twitter isn't enough to say this doesn't have it's fans. And the entry never said that the series was popular, but that elements of it were.
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* CriticalBacklash: The series is still very polarizing and many of the decisions [[spoiler: such as Mara and Pellaeon's deaths]] are still utterly reviled by the fanbase, as shown by IdiotPlot and FanonDiscontinuity. However, in the wake of the Sequel Trilogy's handling of similar plot points, many fans have come around to Jacen's fall to the Dark Side and consider it to have been better handled than Kylo Ren's, usually citing a [[IDidWhatIHadToDo stronger motivation]] and that at least Darth Caedus was the ultimate BigBad of the story instead of just being TheHeavy the entire time like Kylo Ren was.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: There are a couple of hints in the series that Lumiya doesn't hate Luke any more, and just views him as a professional rival, so to speak. Other signs indicate that she genuinely does loathe him, and is just good at hiding it from Jacen, who isn't as powerful and skilled as he thinks he is (and Luke himself in ''Exile'').
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Jacen's transition into a Sith Lord is complete after he kills his Mara Jade Skywalker, his aunt. Despite killing his wife ''on accident'', even Darth Vader never wanted his family dead, nor was he ever willing to kill them.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Jacen's transition into a Sith Lord is complete after he kills his Mara Jade Skywalker, his aunt. Despite killing his wife ''on ''by accident'', even Darth Vader never wanted his family dead, nor was he ever willing to kill them.]]
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Now Flame Bait
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* IdiotPlot: The heroes should have been able to catch on to and short circuit the villain's plot relatively quickly. It can also apply to Jacen himself, for thinking that listening to Lumiya in the first place was a good idea. He also thinks that he'll avoid the problems Vader faced, even though he falls prey to ''exactly the same problems.''
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Irrelevent to Narm which is how it's unintentionally funny in a way that undercuts the intended drama.
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* {{Narm}}: Jacen's line: "My parents are terrorist scum, and ''that'' is why I have turned my back on them." The fact that he actually thinks Han and Leia might be terrorists shows just how twisted he's become by Lumiya.
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* {{Narm}}: Jacen's line: "My parents are terrorist scum, and ''that'' is why I have turned my back on them." The fact that he actually thinks Han and Leia might be terrorists shows just how twisted he's become by Lumiya.
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Moving to YMMV
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%%* {{Narm}}: "My parents are terrorist scum, and ''that'' is why I have turned my back on them."
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* FanNickname:
** Jacen In Name Only.
** Gaydalorians, or [[Music/{{Rammstein}} Mann Gegen Mann]]dalorians.
** Jacen In Name Only.
** Gaydalorians, or [[Music/{{Rammstein}} Mann Gegen Mann]]dalorians.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Not the books themselves, as they're still very polarizing and many of the decisions [[spoiler: such as Mara and Pellaeon's deaths]] are still utterly reviled by the fanbase, as shown by IdiotPlot and FanonDiscontinuity. However, in the wake of the Sequel Trilogy's handling of similar plot points, many fans have come around to Jacen's fall to the Dark Side and consider it to have been better handled than Kylo Ren's, usually citing a [[IDidWhatIHadToDo stronger motivation]] and that at least Darth Caedus was the ultimate BigBad of the story instead of just being TheHeavy the entire time like Kylo Ren did.
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Jacen killing Mara.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Jacen [[spoiler:Jacen's transition into a Sith Lord is complete after he kills his Mara Jade Skywalker, his aunt. Despite killing Mara.his wife ''on accident'', even Darth Vader never wanted his family dead, nor was he ever willing to kill them.]]
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* VindicatedByHistory: Not the books themselves, as they're still very polarizing and many of the decisions [[spoiler: such as Mara and Pellaeon's deaths]] are still utterly reviled by the fanbase, as shown by IdiotPlot and FanonDiscontinuity. However, in the wake of the Sequel Trilogy's handling of similar plot points, many fans have come around to Jacen's fall to the Dark Side and consider it to have been better handled than Kylo Ren's, usually citing a [[IDidWhatIHadTo stronger motivation]] and that at least Darth Caedus was the ultimate BigBad of the story instead of just being TheHeavy the entire time like Kylo Ren did.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Not the books themselves, as they're still very polarizing and many of the decisions [[spoiler: such as Mara and Pellaeon's deaths]] are still utterly reviled by the fanbase, as shown by IdiotPlot and FanonDiscontinuity. However, in the wake of the Sequel Trilogy's handling of similar plot points, many fans have come around to Jacen's fall to the Dark Side and consider it to have been better handled than Kylo Ren's, usually citing a [[IDidWhatIHadTo [[IDidWhatIHadToDo stronger motivation]] and that at least Darth Caedus was the ultimate BigBad of the story instead of just being TheHeavy the entire time like Kylo Ren did.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Not the books themselves, as they're still very polarizing and many of the decisions [[spoiler: such as Mara and Pellaeon's deaths]] are still utterly reviled by the fanbase, as shown by IdiotPlot and FanonDiscontinuity. However, in the wake of the sequel trilogy's handling of similar plot points, many fans have come around to Jacen's fall to the Dark Side and consider it to have been better handled than Kylo Ren's. The cited reasons tend to be because there was actual motivations behind it and that at least Darth Caedus was the ultimate villain of the story instead of just being TheHeavy the entire time like Kylo Ren did.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Not the books themselves, as they're still very polarizing and many of the decisions [[spoiler: such as Mara and Pellaeon's deaths]] are still utterly reviled by the fanbase, as shown by IdiotPlot and FanonDiscontinuity. However, in the wake of the sequel trilogy's Sequel Trilogy's handling of similar plot points, many fans have come around to Jacen's fall to the Dark Side and consider it to have been better handled than Kylo Ren's. The cited reasons tend to be because there was actual motivations behind it Ren's, usually citing a [[IDidWhatIHadTo stronger motivation]] and that at least Darth Caedus was the ultimate villain BigBad of the story instead of just being TheHeavy the entire time like Kylo Ren did.
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Boba Fett/Mandalorian subplots in ''Bloodlines'', ''Sacrifice'' and ''Revelation''.
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Boba Fett/Mandalorian subplots in ''Bloodlines'', ''Sacrifice'' ''Sacrifice'', and ''Revelation''.
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To quote the trope description “ It only applies when there is no meaningful conflict because everyone is awful and the world sucks, and therefore there are no stakes for the audience. If people enjoy the work despite its tone, this trope does not apply.”
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: With Jacen Solo [[FallenHero falling to the Dark Side]], several characters becoming [[TookALevelInJerkass meaner]] and/or [[TookALevelInDumbass dumber]], the {{Karma Houdini}}s, both sides being [[EvilVersusEvil evil]], the blatant [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality self-centered morality]], and the [[AnyoneCanDie high body count]] of several likable characters, this trope is a perfectly valid reaction to these books.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: With Jacen Solo [[FallenHero falling to the Dark Side]], several characters becoming [[TookALevelInJerkass meaner]] and/or [[TookALevelInDumbass dumber]], the {{Karma Houdini}}s, both sides being [[EvilVersusEvil evil]], the blatant [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality self-centered morality]], and the [[AnyoneCanDie high body count]] of several likable characters, this trope is a perfectly valid reaction to these books.
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* FridgeBrilliance: After Jacen kills Ailyn Vel, no one in the cast -- even Jacen -- remembers that she tried to kill him twice in ''Shards of Alderaan''.
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%%* AlasPoorScrappy: Jacen.
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%%* EndingFatigue: The last few chapters involving Mandalore in ''Revelation''.
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%%* FoeYay: Ben and Tahiri.
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%%* {{Squick}}: [[http://gabri-jade.livejournal.com/167587.html#cutid1 Here]].
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Jacen.
* BrokenBase: Less so than ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' as far as reception goes - the majority of ''Star Wars'' fans have expressed distaste with the series, while a minority enjoy it.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: With Jacen Solo [[FallenHero falling to the Dark Side]], several characters becoming [[TookALevelInJerkass meaner]] and/or [[TookALevelInDumbass dumber]], the {{Karma Houdini}}s, both sides being [[EvilVersusEvil evil]], the blatant [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality self-centered morality]], and the [[AnyoneCanDie high body count]] of several likable characters, this trope is a perfectly valid reason to dislike these books.
* BrokenBase: Less so than ''Literature/NewJediOrder'' as far as reception goes - the majority of ''Star Wars'' fans have expressed distaste with the series, while a minority enjoy it.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: With Jacen Solo [[FallenHero falling to the Dark Side]], several characters becoming [[TookALevelInJerkass meaner]] and/or [[TookALevelInDumbass dumber]], the {{Karma Houdini}}s, both sides being [[EvilVersusEvil evil]], the blatant [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality self-centered morality]], and the [[AnyoneCanDie high body count]] of several likable characters, this trope is a perfectly valid reason to dislike these books.
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* FoeYay: Ben and Tahiri.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Not the books themselves, as they're still very polarizing and many of the decisions [[spoiler: such as Mara and Pellaeon's deaths]] are still utterly reviled by the fanbase, as shown by IdiotPlot and FanonDiscontinuity. However, in the wake of the sequel trilogy's handling of similar plot points, many fans have come around to Jacen's fall to the Dark Side and consider it to have been better handled than Kylo Ren's. The cited reasons tend to be because there was actual motivations behind it and that at least Darth Caedus was the ultimate villain of the story instead of just being TheHeavy the entire time like Kylo Ren did.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Back in the ''New Jedi Order'' series, Leia had a depressing vision of Jaina and herself telling Jaina’s kids about their heroic late aunt Mara. The vision seemed to have become irrelevant when Mara recovered from her illness, then 16 years later, Jacen became Darth Caedus.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Back in the ''New Jedi Order'' series, Leia had a depressing vision of Jaina and herself telling Jaina’s kids about their heroic late aunt Mara. The vision seemed to have become irrelevant when Mara recovered from her illness, then 16 years later, Jacen became Darth Caedus.Go [[HarsherInHindsight/StarWarsLegends here]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: When she "left" Del Rey (rumors are that she was actually let go because of her being difficult to work with, as Troy Denning and Aaron Allston have mentioned), Karen Traviss claimed that if she came back, she'd reboot the universe in order to undo ''WesternAnimation/TheCloneWars'' interpretation of the Mandalorians, as if she actually would have had the authority to do so. Several years later, Disney officially rebooted the EU, and The Clone Wars along with its interpretation of the Mandalorians was one of the ''only'' things that stayed canon.
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* HilariousInHindsight: When she "left" Del Rey (rumors are that she was actually let go because of her being difficult to work with, as Troy Denning and Aaron Allston have mentioned), Karen Traviss claimed that if she came back, she'd reboot the universe in order to undo ''WesternAnimation/TheCloneWars'' interpretation of the Mandalorians, as if she actually would have had the authority to do so. Several years later, Disney officially rebooted the EU, and The Clone Wars along with its interpretation of the Mandalorians was one of the ''only'' things that stayed canon.Go [[HilariousInHindsight/StarWarsLegends here]].