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* MisaimedMarketing: With the series' well-deserved reputation of treating the topic of incest completely seriously, it's baffling to see that some of the DVD boxes come with comedic "no no, big brother" stickers, with Nanoka among others imploring her brother to [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/koi_kaze_stickers_1.jpg "not let his eyes wander"]] or [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/koi_kaze_stickers_2.jpg "take her somewhere fun"]].

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* MisaimedMarketing: With the series' well-deserved reputation of treating the topic of incest completely seriously, it's baffling to see that some editions of the DVD boxes come with comedic "no no, big brother" stickers, with Nanoka among others imploring her brother to [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/koi_kaze_stickers_1.jpg "not let his eyes wander"]] or [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/koi_kaze_stickers_2.jpg "take her somewhere fun"]].

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* MisaimedMarketing: With the series' well-deserved reputation of treating the topic of incest completely seriously, it's baffling to see that some of the DVD boxes come with comedic "no no, big brother" stickers, with Nanoka among others imploring her brother to [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/koi_kaze_stickers_1.jpg "not let his eyes wander"]] or [[https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/koi_kaze_stickers_2.jpg "take her somewhere fun"]].



*** The series also describes much of what happens when a pair of siblings first meet when both are past puberty but also downplays just how strong the attraction is.
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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the problem with Koshiro and Nanoka being brother and sister, but nobody seems to be complaining about how Koshiro is 27 and Nanoka is only 15 at the story's beginning; in part because girls can legally get married at 16 in Japan, and Nanoka's 16th birthday is a major plot point in one episode.

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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the problem with Koshiro and Nanoka being brother and sister, but nobody seems to be complaining about how [[AgeGapRomance Koshiro is 27 and Nanoka is only 15 15]] at the story's beginning; in part because girls can legally get married at 16 in Japan, and Nanoka's 16th birthday is a major plot point in one episode.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: ''Koi Kaze'' is a shining example of this. It's {{squick}} enough because Nanoka is sixteen and her love interest is in his late twenties. It gets unbearable when you learn they're ''brother and sister''. Even the most avid BrotherSisterIncest fans stay away from the series as it's too realistic for them.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: ''Koi Kaze'' is a shining example of this. It's {{squick}} enough because Nanoka is sixteen and her love interest is in his late twenties. It gets unbearable when you learn they're ''brother and sister''. Even the most avid BrotherSisterIncest fans stay away from the series as it's too realistic for them. It has little-to-none of the fluff, fetishization, or melodrama associated with works themed around the topic.



* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is 12 years older than his (underage) sister.

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*** The series also describes much of what happens when a pair of siblings first meet when both are past puberty but also downplays just how strong the attraction is.
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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the problem with Koshiro and Nanoka being brother and sister, but nobody seems to be complaining about how Koshiro is 27 and Nanoka is only 15 at the story's beginning; in part because the legal age of consent is 16 in Japan, and her 16th birthday is a major plot point in one episode.

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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the problem with Koshiro and Nanoka being brother and sister, but nobody seems to be complaining about how Koshiro is 27 and Nanoka is only 15 at the story's beginning; in part because the legal age of consent is girls can legally get married at 16 in Japan, and her Nanoka's 16th birthday is a major plot point in one episode.
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** The series is quick to show it's ''really'' not afraid of treading uncomfortable territory when early on several other topics besides incest that have some sort of societal stigma attached to them are shown - namely menstruation and masturbation. The latter particularly so, as it is instigated by Koshiro after he sees Nanoka's underwear, impulsively ''sniffs'' it, and gets aroused. He is, needless to say, just as mortified about it as the audience should expect him to be.

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** The series is quick to show it's ''really'' not afraid of treading uncomfortable territory when early on several other topics besides incest that have some sort of societal stigma attached to them are shown - namely menstruation and masturbation. The latter particularly so, as it is instigated by Koshiro after he sees Nanoka's underwear, impulsively ''sniffs'' it, and gets aroused. He is, needless to say, just as mortified about it as the audience should expect him to be.
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** The series is quick to show it's ''really'' not afraid of treading uncomfortable territory when very early on several topics that have societal stigma attached to them are shown - namely menstruation and masturbation. The latter particularly so, as it is instigated by Koshiro after he sees Nanoka's underwear, impulsively ''sniffs'' it, and gets aroused. He is, needless to say, just as mortified about it as the audience should expect him to be.

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** The series is quick to show it's ''really'' not afraid of treading uncomfortable territory when very early on several other topics besides incest that have some sort of societal stigma attached to them are shown - namely menstruation and masturbation. The latter particularly so, as it is instigated by Koshiro after he sees Nanoka's underwear, impulsively ''sniffs'' it, and gets aroused. He is, needless to say, just as mortified about it as the audience should expect him to be.
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** The series is quick to show it's ''really'' not afraid of treading uncomfortable territory when very early on several topics that have societal stigma attached to them are shown - namely menstruation and masturbation. The latter particularly so, as it is instigated by Koshiro after he sees Nanoka's underwear, impulsively ''sniffs'' it, and gets aroused. He is, needless to say, just as mortified about it as the audience should be.

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** The series is quick to show it's ''really'' not afraid of treading uncomfortable territory when very early on several topics that have societal stigma attached to them are shown - namely menstruation and masturbation. The latter particularly so, as it is instigated by Koshiro after he sees Nanoka's underwear, impulsively ''sniffs'' it, and gets aroused. He is, needless to say, just as mortified about it as the audience should expect him to be.
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** The series is quick to show it's ''really'' not afraid of treading uncomfortable territory when very early on several topics that have societal stigma attached to them are shown - namely menstruation and masturbation. The latter particularly so, as it is instigated by Koshiro after he sees Nanoka's underwear, impulsively ''sniffs'' it, and gets aroused. He is, needless to say, just as mortified about it as the audience is intended to be.

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** The series is quick to show it's ''really'' not afraid of treading uncomfortable territory when very early on several topics that have societal stigma attached to them are shown - namely menstruation and masturbation. The latter particularly so, as it is instigated by Koshiro after he sees Nanoka's underwear, impulsively ''sniffs'' it, and gets aroused. He is, needless to say, just as mortified about it as the audience is intended to be. should be.
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** The series is quick to show it's ''really'' not afraid of treading uncomfortable territory when very early on several topics that have societal stigma attached to them are shown - namely menstruation and masturbation. The latter particularly so, as it is instigated by Koshiro after he sees Nanoka's underwear, impulsively ''sniffs'' it, and gets aroused. He is, needless to say, just as mortified about it as the audience is intended to be.
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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the fact that Koshiro and Nanoka are brother and sister, but nobody brings up the fact that Nanoka is only fifteen years old when the story starts.

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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the fact that problem with Koshiro and Nanoka are being brother and sister, but nobody brings up the fact that seems to be complaining about how Koshiro is 27 and Nanoka is only fifteen years old when 15 at the story starts.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: ''KoiKaze'' is a shining example of this. It's {{squick}} enough because Nanoka is sixteen and her love interest is in his late twenties. It gets unbearable when you learn they're ''brother and sister''. Even the most avid BrotherSisterIncest fans stay away from the series as it's too realistic for them.
* {{Moe}}: Nanoka can be just ''sickeningly'' [[http://manga.animea.net/koi-kaze-chapter-5-page-2.html adorable]].

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: ''KoiKaze'' ''Koi Kaze'' is a shining example of this. It's {{squick}} enough because Nanoka is sixteen and her love interest is in his late twenties. It gets unbearable when you learn they're ''brother and sister''. Even the most avid BrotherSisterIncest fans stay away from the series as it's too realistic for them.
* {{Moe}}: Nanoka can be just ''sickeningly'' [[http://manga.animea.net/koi-kaze-chapter-5-page-2.html adorable]].adorable.

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** Its also a very touching story, with one of the more believable and heartfelt romances in anime. This anime isn't cheap pandering of fanservice, nor does it ignore the realities of what this kind of relationship entails. You don't have to be an incest fan of any sort to enjoy it, just open-minded to accept the premise, so the above sentiment is understandable but definately not shared by everyone.
* MoeMoe: Nanoka can be just ''sickeningly'' [[http://manga.animea.net/koi-kaze-chapter-5-page-2.html adorable]].

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** Its also a very touching story, with one of the more believable and heartfelt romances in anime. This anime isn't cheap pandering of fanservice, nor does it ignore the realities of what this kind of relationship entails. You don't have to be an incest fan of any sort to enjoy it, just open-minded to accept the premise, so the above sentiment is understandable but definately not shared by everyone.
* MoeMoe: {{Moe}}: Nanoka can be just ''sickeningly'' [[http://manga.animea.net/koi-kaze-chapter-5-page-2.html adorable]].



** Age of consent in Japan is 16, so on a legality issue, once she turns 16, it lessens the squick factor, albeit not by much.
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** Age of consent in Japan is 16, so on a legality issue, once she turns 16, it lessens the squick factor, albeit not by much.
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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] than his (underage) sister.

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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] older than his (underage) sister.
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** Its also a very touching story, with one of the more believable and heartfelt romances in anime. This anime isn't cheap pandering of fanservice, nor does it ignore the realities of what this kind of relationship entails. You don't have to be an incest fan of any sort to enjoy it, just open-minded to accept the premise, so the above sentiment is understandable but definately not shared by everyone.
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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the fact that Koshiro and Nanoka are brother and sister, but nobody brings up the fact that Nanoka is only fifteen years old.
** To be fair, she turns 16 very shortly after the beginning, and by the end of the story she's almost 18.

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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the fact that Koshiro and Nanoka are brother and sister, but nobody brings up the fact that Nanoka is only fifteen years old.
** To be fair, she turns 16 very shortly after the beginning, and by the end of
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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] than the sister.

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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] than the his (underage) sister.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: ''KoiKaze'' is a shining example of this. It's {{squick}} enough because Nanoka is sixteen and her love interest is in his late twenties. It gets unbearable when you learn they're ''brother and sister''. Even the most avid BrotherSisterIncest fans stay away from the series as it's too realistic for them.
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** To be fair, she turns 16 very shortly after the beginning, and by the end of the story she's almost 18.
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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the fact that the two main characters are brother and sister, but nobody brings up the fact that the sister is fifteen.

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* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the fact that the two main characters Koshiro and Nanoka are brother and sister, but nobody brings up the fact that the sister Nanoka is fifteen.
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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] than the sister.

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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] than the sister.sister.
* ValuesDissonance: Everybody brings up the fact that the two main characters are brother and sister, but nobody brings up the fact that the sister is fifteen.

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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] than the sister.
** Which is to say, that putting aside that [[ConspicuouslyPublicAssassination unfortunate business]] in the [[AbrahamLincoln Presidential Box]], Ford's production of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_American_Cousin Our American Cousin]] was just too banal and lifeless to really be considered a true farce.

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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] than the sister.
** Which is to say, that putting aside that [[ConspicuouslyPublicAssassination unfortunate business]] in the [[AbrahamLincoln Presidential Box]], Ford's production of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_American_Cousin Our American Cousin]] was just too banal and lifeless to really be considered a true farce.
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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] than the sister.

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* {{Squick}}: Incest aside, the brother is [[MayDecemberRomance 12 years older]] than the sister.sister.
** Which is to say, that putting aside that [[ConspicuouslyPublicAssassination unfortunate business]] in the [[AbrahamLincoln Presidential Box]], Ford's production of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_American_Cousin Our American Cousin]] was just too banal and lifeless to really be considered a true farce.
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* YourMileageMayVary: Is it a {{squick}}y {{wangst}}-filled story about BrotherSisterIncest or is it an emotional story about two people who love each other despite what's considered morally acceptable?
** Or is it both? These two interpretations are not mutually exclusive. It might also be neither, serving instead as a moral MindScrew to the audience. Beyond the allegedly HappyEnding, about the only thing on which most of us can agree is that we have a NowWhat ending for the characters and the audience alike.

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