History YMMV / KillBill

10th Dec '17 1:22:30 AM DividerHam42
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* CompleteMonster: Boss Matsumoto from ''Volume I'' is a sadistic {{Yakuza}} boss and a pedophile. When O-Ren Ishii was around 9-years-old, Matsumoto and his henchmen confronted her father (a Chinese-American soldier stationed in Okinawa), and despite him putting quite the fight, he is ultimately murdered by the mooks, while Matsumoto laughs on a couch. Then Matsumoto gets up, grabs the man's Japanese wife, tosses her on a nearby bed...and uses his own katana to stab her to death, narrowly missing O-Ren, who was hiding under said bed. Then, they set the place on fire and leave, laughing about it. [[TheDogBitesBack He doesn't get scot free, however]]: a 11-year-old O-Ren poses as a child prostitute in order to kill him, and does so ''awesomely''.

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* CompleteMonster: Boss Matsumoto from ''Volume I'' is a sadistic {{Yakuza}} boss and a pedophile. When O-Ren Ishii was around 9-years-old, Matsumoto and his henchmen confronted her father (a Chinese-American soldier stationed in Okinawa), and despite him putting quite the fight, he is ultimately murdered by the mooks, while Matsumoto laughs on a couch. Then Matsumoto gets up, grabs the man's Japanese wife, tosses her on a nearby bed...and uses his own katana to stab her to death, narrowly missing O-Ren, who was hiding under said bed. Then, they set the place on fire and leave, laughing about it. [[TheDogBitesBack He doesn't get scot free, scot-free, however]]: a an 11-year-old O-Ren poses as a child prostitute in order to kill him, and does so ''awesomely''.



* CrossesTheLineTwice: The Crazy 88 fight. A guy gets his foot sliced off; seconds later he's seen pressing it back to the bloody stump, as if it's going to magically reattach. Another guy gets his eye snatched out (in a bit of Foreshadowing concerning where she learned this from); when The Bride is overlooking the carnage, he's still stumbling around blindly (and rumored to be a cameo by Tarantino). The uncensored fight shows the Bride taking said eye and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath throwing it down another man's throat.]]

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: The Crazy 88 fight. A guy gets his foot sliced off; seconds later he's seen pressing it back to the bloody stump, as if it's going to magically reattach. Another guy gets his eye snatched out (in a bit of Foreshadowing concerning where she learned this from); when The Bride is overlooking the carnage, he's still stumbling around blindly (and rumored rumoured to be a cameo by Tarantino). The uncensored fight shows the Bride taking said eye and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath throwing it down another man's throat.]]



** O-Ren Ishii is probably the most popular villain in the series, even more popular than Bill. The fact that she gets a well developed backstory and has a lengthy fight sequence probably has something to do with it.

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** O-Ren Ishii is probably the most popular villain in the series, even more popular than Bill. The fact that she gets a well developed well-developed backstory and has a lengthy fight sequence probably has something to do with it.



* The orderly "I came here to fuck" Buck has raping comatose patients as his lifestyle and in a more enterprising example pimps their bodies to various lowlives as well.

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* ** The orderly "I came here to fuck" Buck has raping comatose patients as his lifestyle and in a more enterprising example pimps their bodies to various lowlives as well.
14th Nov '17 3:46:52 PM karategal
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** Vernita Green has the least screen-time, lacks characterization compares to the other DVAS and is killed off early into the film (despite actually being the ''second'' DVAS to go down). The fact that she is probably pregnant herself during the time she killed the Bride is also never addressed.
** Sofie Fatale disappeared after part I despite being very much alive and has justified reason to team up against the Bride.

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** Vernita Green has the least screen-time, lacks characterization compares compared to the other DVAS DVAS, and is killed off early into the film (despite actually being the ''second'' DVAS to go down). The fact that she is was probably pregnant herself during the time she killed the Bride is also never addressed.
** Sofie Fatale disappeared after part Part I despite being very much alive and has justified reason to team up against the Bride.
14th Nov '17 3:23:45 PM karategal
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* AngstWhatAngst: While it's probably because she's too shocked to react to [[spoiler: her mother killed right in front of her]], Vernita's daughter doesn't looked upset about it.

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* AngstWhatAngst: While it's probably because she's too shocked to react to [[spoiler: her mother being killed right in front of her]], Vernita's daughter doesn't looked look too upset about it.



* CompleteMonster: Boss Matsumoto from ''Volume I'' is a sadistic {{Yakuza}} boss and a pedophile. When O-Ren Ishii was around 9 years old, Matsumoto and his henchmen confronted her father (a Chinese-American soldier stationed in Okinawa), and despite him putting quite the fight, he is ultimately murdered by the mooks, while Matsumoto laughs on a couch. Then Matsumoto gets up, grabs the man's Japanese wife, tosses her on a nearby bed...and uses his own katana to stab her to death, narrowly missing O-Ren, who was hiding under said bed. Then, they set the place on fire and leave, laughing about it. [[TheDogBitesBack He doesn't get scot free, however]]: a 11-year-old O-Ren poses as a child prostitute in order to kill him, and does so ''awesomely''.
* CreepyAwesome: A few examples from both films. There's O-Ren, Go-Go Yubari and the Yakuza man who kills O-Ren's father, as well as Elle Driver and Budd to a degree.

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* CompleteMonster: Boss Matsumoto from ''Volume I'' is a sadistic {{Yakuza}} boss and a pedophile. When O-Ren Ishii was around 9 years old, 9-years-old, Matsumoto and his henchmen confronted her father (a Chinese-American soldier stationed in Okinawa), and despite him putting quite the fight, he is ultimately murdered by the mooks, while Matsumoto laughs on a couch. Then Matsumoto gets up, grabs the man's Japanese wife, tosses her on a nearby bed...and uses his own katana to stab her to death, narrowly missing O-Ren, who was hiding under said bed. Then, they set the place on fire and leave, laughing about it. [[TheDogBitesBack He doesn't get scot free, however]]: a 11-year-old O-Ren poses as a child prostitute in order to kill him, and does so ''awesomely''.
* CreepyAwesome: A few examples from both films. There's O-Ren, Go-Go Yubari Yubari, and the Yakuza man who kills O-Ren's father, as well as Elle Driver and Budd to a degree.
3rd Nov '17 8:56:36 AM Shadowgazer
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* MoralEventHorizon: Pai Mei reacts to the slightest offense, real or imaginary, by plucking out the offender's eye. He slaughtered an entire monastery because they begged forgiveness for one of their own after he (the monk) didn't acknowledge ''a nod'' that Pai Mei gave him, and because the monks didn't want to behead him in "apology" to Pai Mei. What a JerkAss.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Pai Mei reacts to the slightest offense, real or imaginary, by plucking out the offender's eye. He also slaughtered an entire monastery because they begged forgiveness for one of their own after he (the monk) didn't acknowledge ''a nod'' that Pai Mei gave him, and because the monks didn't want to behead him in "apology" to Pai Mei. What a JerkAss.
* The orderly "I came here to fuck" Buck has raping comatose patients as his lifestyle and in a more enterprising example pimps their bodies to various lowlives as well.



* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler: The Bride being buried alive in Volume II.]]
3rd Nov '17 8:42:42 AM Shadowgazer
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* MoralEventHorizon: Pai Mei reacts to the slightest offense, real or imaginary, by plucking out the offender's eye. He slaughtered an entire monastery because they begged forgiveness for one of their own after he (the monk) didn't acknowledge ''a nod'' that Pai Mei gave him, and because the monks didn't want to behead him in "apology" to Pai Mei. What a JerkAss.
13th Oct '17 3:35:33 PM ArgonianLorekeeper
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* CompleteMonster: Boss Matsumoto from ''Volume I'' is a sadistic {{Yakuza}} boss and a pedophile. When O-Ren Ishii was around 9 years old, Matsumoto and his henchmen confronted her father (a Chinese-American soldier stationed in Okinawa), and despite him putting quite the fight, he is ultimately murdered by the mooks, while Matsumoto laughs on a couch. Then Matsumoto gets up, grabs the man's Japanese wife, tosses her on a nearby bed...and uses his own katana to stab her to death, narrowly missing child!O-Ren, who was hiding under said bed. Then, they set the place on fire and leave, laughing about it. [[TheDogBitesBack He doesn't get scot free, however]]: a 11-year-old O-Ren poses as a child prostitute in order to kill him, and does so ''awesomely''.

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* CompleteMonster: Boss Matsumoto from ''Volume I'' is a sadistic {{Yakuza}} boss and a pedophile. When O-Ren Ishii was around 9 years old, Matsumoto and his henchmen confronted her father (a Chinese-American soldier stationed in Okinawa), and despite him putting quite the fight, he is ultimately murdered by the mooks, while Matsumoto laughs on a couch. Then Matsumoto gets up, grabs the man's Japanese wife, tosses her on a nearby bed...and uses his own katana to stab her to death, narrowly missing child!O-Ren, O-Ren, who was hiding under said bed. Then, they set the place on fire and leave, laughing about it. [[TheDogBitesBack He doesn't get scot free, however]]: a 11-year-old O-Ren poses as a child prostitute in order to kill him, and does so ''awesomely''.
8th Sep '17 10:57:05 PM Hoshiru
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-->'''Gogo''': You call that begging? You can beg better that that!

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-->'''Gogo''': You call that begging? You can beg better that than that!
9th Aug '17 5:51:38 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* CompleteMonster: Boss Matsumoto from ''Volume I'' is a sadistic {{Yakuza}} boss and a pedophile. When O-Ren Ishii was around 9 years old, Matsumoto and his henchmen confronted her father (apparently, a Chinese-American soldier stationed in Okinawa), and despite him putting quite the fight, he is ultimately murdered by the mooks, while Matsumoto laughs on a couch. Then Matsumoto gets up, grabs the man's Japanese wife, tosses her on a nearby bed...and uses his own katana to stab her to death, narrowly missing child!O-Ren, who was hiding under said bed. Then, they set the place on fire and leave, laughing about it. An 11-year-old O-Ren poses as a child prostitute in order to kill him.

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* CompleteMonster: Boss Matsumoto from ''Volume I'' is a sadistic {{Yakuza}} boss and a pedophile. When O-Ren Ishii was around 9 years old, Matsumoto and his henchmen confronted her father (apparently, a (a Chinese-American soldier stationed in Okinawa), and despite him putting quite the fight, he is ultimately murdered by the mooks, while Matsumoto laughs on a couch. Then Matsumoto gets up, grabs the man's Japanese wife, tosses her on a nearby bed...and uses his own katana to stab her to death, narrowly missing child!O-Ren, who was hiding under said bed. Then, they set the place on fire and leave, laughing about it. An [[TheDogBitesBack He doesn't get scot free, however]]: a 11-year-old O-Ren poses as a child prostitute in order to kill him.him, and does so ''awesomely''.
10th Jun '17 6:41:37 AM DesertDragon
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** [[spoiler: Vernita dies from a single thrown knife after she tries to shoot The Bride.]]
*** Though in that case, we were at least giving an pretty brutal fight beforehand.



** Although she didn't get at much development as the other Vipers, Vernita is actually NotSoDifferent than the Bride. [[spoiler: She left the Assassin order for the ''same exact'' reasons as Beatrix. When you consider that her own daughter is around the same age as B.B., Vernita may have also been pregnant when she played her role in the Church Massacre.]] That may explain why the Bride got ticked when Vernita attempted to use being a mother as a reason not to be killed.

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** Although she didn't get at as much development as the other Vipers, Vernita is actually NotSoDifferent than the Bride. [[spoiler: She left the Assassin order Deadly Vipers for the ''same exact'' reasons as Beatrix.Beatrix; perhaps the only reason she was allowed to leave unharmed was because her child wasn't Bill's. When you consider that her own daughter is around the same age as B.B., Vernita may have also been pregnant when she played her role in the Church Massacre.]] That may explain why the Bride got ticked when Vernita attempted to use being a mother as a reason not to be killed.
22nd May '17 5:12:05 AM NNinja
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* CriticalResearchFailure: Either on the part of the writers or on the part of Bill himself, but his speech about Franchise/{{Superman}} and [[SecretIdentityIdentity how Clark Kent is the disguise]], not Superman, is something anybody with even a passing knowledge of Superman will know is wrong, since he was raised as a human on earth and the Clark Kent identity predates the Superman identity by roughly two decades.
** Actually, Bill had it exactly right. Superman is his true personality, his real self, he only pretends to be Clark Kent. He is not really human, he is really an alien, so his human persona is his disguise.
** But that personality was not inherited from aliens, but from human upbringing. The kind, caring, unwaveringly just, but a little dorky personality was imbued by his human foster parents. Batman on the other hand, does fit this description, as Batman is disguised as Bruce Wayne, not the other way around.
** This particular tropes example depends on what you believe more: {{Nature Versus Nurture}}. And which [[TheAgesOfSuperHeroComics era of comics]] you are [[DependingOnTheWriter referring to]]. In Bill's case, he's describing [[TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]]/[[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Superman, appropriate for a man in his 60s.
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