* BrokenBase -- Fan reactions to a certain page in Jamie's story have been... [[{{Understatement}} spirited]]. 
** [[spoiler:For context, prior to the 07 October revision, page 83 featured Charlie performing a sexual act on Jamie against his explicit consent, and Jamie dis-associating so as to make the experience pass more quickly. Although the arguments surrounding Charlie's actions against Jamie had many, MANY intricate and painful facets, the biggest and/or loudest camps were divided primarily between A: Those who felt that [[WordOfGod Tab's]] choice to make Charlie commit an act of sexual violence played dangerously into a larger trans-phobic cultural narrative, and B: those who either saw Charlie's actions as --if not forgivable-- comprehensible given her extensive back story, or who focused on other things like the fact that it honestly portrayed a man as being susceptible to sexual abuse, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale in spite of a number cultural assumptions to the contrary]].]] There was a '''LOT''' more to it than just that, but better to be brief and '''[[RapeAsDrama Let]] [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes Other]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Abuse}} Articles]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Consent}} With]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} Better]] [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming Writers]]''' give you an idea of some of the complexities involved. The original massive and contentious comment thread has since been taken down, though [[WordOfGod Tab]] has said that he is keeping a copy for posterity.

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* BrokenBase -- Fan reactions to a certain page in Jamie's story were... [[{{Understatement}} spirited]]. 
** [[spoiler:For context, prior to the 07 October revision, page 83 featured Charlie performing a sexual act on Jamie against his explicit consent, and Jamie dis-associating so as to make the experience pass more quickly. Although the arguments surrounding Charlie's actions against Jamie had many, MANY intricate and painful facets, the biggest and/or loudest camps were divided primarily between A: Those who felt that [[WordOfGod Tab's]] choice to make Charlie commit an act of sexual violence played dangerously into a larger trans-phobic cultural narrative, and B: those who either saw Charlie's actions as --if not forgivable-- comprehensible given her extensive back story, or who focused on other things like the fact that it honestly portrayed a man as being susceptible to sexual abuse, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale in spite of a number of cultural assumptions to the contrary]].]] There was a '''LOT''' more to it than just that, but better to be brief and '''[[RapeAsDrama Let]] [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes Other]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Abuse}} Articles]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Consent}} With]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} Better]] [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming Writers]]''' give you an idea of some of the complexities involved. The original massive and contentious comment thread has since been taken down, though [[WordOfGod Tab]] has said that he is keeping a copy for posterity.

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8th Oct '12 12:16:22 AM Jiggenhauser

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** [[spoiler:Although the arguments surrounding Charlie's actions against Jamie have many, MANY intricate and painful facets, the biggest and/or loudest camps are divided primarily between A: Those who feel that [[WordOfGod Tab's]] choice to make Charlie commit an act of sexual violence plays into a larger trans-phobic cultural narrative, and B: those who either see Charlie's actions as --if not forgivable-- comprehensible given her extensive back story, or who focus on other things like the fact that it honestly portrays a man as being susceptible to sexual abuse, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale in spite of a number cultural assumptions to the contrary]].]] There's a '''LOT''' more to it than just that, but better to be brief and '''[[RapeAsDrama Let]] [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes Other]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Abuse}} Articles]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Consent}} With]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} Better]] [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming Writers]]''' give you an idea of some of the complexities involved. Also, [[FlameWar read the comments]] [[http://www.khaoskomix.com/komix/jamies-story-page-83/comment-page-1#comments at your own risk]] (though there are some very good arguments to be had, there's a lot of vitriol and trolling sprinkled around for flavor).

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** [[spoiler:For context, prior to the 07 October revision, page 83 featured Charlie performing a sexual act on Jamie against his explicit consent, and Jamie dis-associating so as to make the experience pass more quickly. Although the arguments surrounding Charlie's actions against Jamie had many, MANY intricate and painful facets, the biggest and/or loudest camps were divided primarily between A: Those who felt that [[WordOfGod Tab's]] choice to make Charlie commit an act of sexual violence played dangerously into a larger trans-phobic cultural narrative, and B: those who either saw Charlie's actions as --if not forgivable-- comprehensible given her extensive back story, or who focused on other things like the fact that it honestly portrayed a man as being susceptible to sexual abuse, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale in spite of a number cultural assumptions to the contrary]].]] There was a '''LOT''' more to it than just that, but better to be brief and '''[[RapeAsDrama Let]] [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes Other]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Abuse}} Articles]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Consent}} With]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} Better]] [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming Writers]]''' give you an idea of some of the complexities involved. The original massive and contentious comment thread has since been taken down, though [[WordOfGod Tab]] has said that he is keeping a copy for posterity.

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** [[spoiler:Although the arguments surrounding Charlie's actions against Jamie have many, MANY intricate and painful facets, the biggest and/or loudest camps are divided primarily between A: Those who feel that [[WordOfGod Tab's]] choice to make Charlie commit an act of sexual violence plays into a larger trans-phobic cultural narrative, and B: those who either see Charlie's actions as --if not forgivable-- comprehensible given her extensive back story, or who focus on other things like the fact that it honestly portrays a man as being susceptible to sexual abuse, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale in spite of a number cultural assumptions to the contrary]]. There's a '''LOT''' more to it than just that, but better to be brief and '''[[RapeAsDrama Let]] [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes Other]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Abuse}} Articles]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Consent}} With]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} Better]] [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming Writers]]''' give you an idea of some of the complexities involved. Also, [[FlameWar read the comments]] [[http://www.khaoskomix.com/komix/jamies-story-page-83/comment-page-1#comments at your own risk]] (though there are some very good arguments to be had, there's a lot of vitriol and trolling sprinkled around for flavor).]]

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6th Oct '12 12:08:57 AM Jiggenhauser

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* BrokenBase -- Fan reactions to a certain page in Jamie's story have been... [[{{Understatement}} spirited]]. 
** [[spoiler:Although the arguments surrounding Charlie's actions against Jamie have many, MANY intricate and painful facets, the biggest and/or loudest camps are divided primarily between A: Those who feel that [[WordOfGod Tab's]] choice to make Charlie commit an act of sexual violence plays into a larger trans-phobic cultural narrative, and B: those who either see Charlie's actions as --if not forgivable-- comprehensible given her extensive back story, or who focus on other things like the fact that it honestly portrays a man as being susceptible to sexual abuse, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale in spite of a number cultural assumptions to the contrary]]. There's a '''LOT''' more to it than just that, but better to be brief and '''[[RapeAsDrama Let]] [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes Other]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Abuse}} Articles]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Consent}} With]] [[UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} Better]] [[UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming Writers]]''' give you an idea of some of the complexities involved. Also, [[FlameWar read the comments]] [[http://www.khaoskomix.com/komix/jamies-story-page-83/comment-page-1#comments at your own risk]] (though there are some very good arguments to be had, there's a lot of vitriol and trolling sprinkled around for flavor).]]

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