History YMMV / InjusticeGodsAmongUs

18th Dec '17 6:51:01 AM MinisterOfSinister
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** [[spoiler: Somewhat Injustice!Ares, who desired to join battle against unknown evil with the gods of other pantheons, was denied and humiliated by Zeus, who refused to participate and was turned into a god of war.]]
** Possibly Black Adam, when Superman [[spoiler: threatens to destroy Kahndaq.]]

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** [[spoiler: Somewhat Injustice!Ares, who desired [[spoiler:Injustice!Ares after a fashion during Year Four; he wanted to join a battle against an unknown evil with the gods of other pantheons, was denied and humiliated by Zeus, Zeus who refused to participate and was turned into a god of war.war for his troubles. And then, having tried to orchestrate the Regime's downfall for Darkseid, he winds up left at Darkseid's mercy at the end of the year, during which time he claims to have suffered immeasurably ColdBloodedTorture.]]
** Possibly Black Adam, when Superman [[spoiler: threatens [[spoiler:threatens to destroy Kahndaq.]]



** In addition, in comic Year Two #5, [[spoiler: on Sinestro's inspiration, Superman asks Ganthet if they allowed Krypton to die, which Ganthet replies positively. Superman responds with anger. Despite Ganthet's talk about "preserving free will" and Superman already probably being a villain, this is indeed disgusting, as Guardians could help evacuate the planet or at least save some people]].

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** In addition, in comic Year Two #5, [[spoiler: on Sinestro's inspiration, Superman asks Ganthet if they allowed Krypton to die, which Ganthet replies positively.admits they did. Superman responds with anger. Despite Ganthet's talk about "preserving free will" and Superman already probably being a villain, this is indeed disgusting, as Guardians could help evacuate the planet or at least save some people]].people.



** Injustice!Harley. Despite helping nuke Metropolis, showing no remorse for helping to cause Superman's StartOfDarkness, killing cops upon her breakout from Arkham, instigating another breakout at Arkham that leads to the death of Dick Grayson, torturing the Flash for no reason, kidnapping a 12-year-old and more, the series treats her as though she's a character who is earning her redemption because of her eccentric and zany personality. One point often brought up is her mention of her daughter that she loves dearly and has kept secret from the Joker, despite the fact that her reaction to finding out Lois was pregnant when she was killed by Superman was met with stark indifference.

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** Injustice!Harley. Despite helping nuke Metropolis, showing no remorse for helping to cause Superman's StartOfDarkness, killing cops upon her breakout from Arkham, instigating another breakout at Arkham that leads to the death of Dick Grayson, torturing the Flash for no reason, kidnapping a 12-year-old and more, the series treats her as though she's a character who is earning her redemption because of her eccentric and zany personality. One point often brought up is her mention of her daughter that she loves dearly and has kept secret from the Joker, despite the fact that her reaction to finding out Lois was pregnant when she died was killed by Superman was met with one of stark indifference.



* FoeYay: Joker has some clash quotes that comes off as flirting with Catwoman but it's one-sided.
-->'''Joker''': "Going my way?"
-->'''Catwoman''': "Go to hell by yourself."
-->'''Catwoman''': "Watch yourself gargoyle."
-->'''Joker''': "Here kitty kitty!"
-->'''Joker''': "I think we have chemistry..."
-->'''Catwoman''': "... think again!"
-->'''Joker''': "Shame we never hooked up."
-->'''Catwoman''': "I will hook you up!"
-->'''Catwoman''': "You have NO chance against me!"
-->'''Joker''': "Do I have a chance WITH you?"

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* FoeYay: Joker has some clash quotes that comes off as flirting with Catwoman but but, it's one-sided.
-->'''Joker''': "Going -->'''Joker:''' Going my way?"
-->'''Catwoman''': "Go
way?\\
'''Catwoman:''' Go
to hell by yourself."
-->'''Catwoman''': "Watch
\\
'''Catwoman:''' Watch
yourself gargoyle."
-->'''Joker''': "Here
\\
'''Joker:''' Here
kitty kitty!"
-->'''Joker''': "I think
kitty!\\
'''Joker:''' Always thought
we have had chemistry..."
-->'''Catwoman''': "... think again!"
-->'''Joker''': "Shame
\\
'''Catwoman:''' Think again!\\
'''Joker:''' Shame
we never hooked up."
-->'''Catwoman''': "I will
\\
'''Catwoman:''' I'll
hook you up!"
-->'''Catwoman''':
up!\\
'''Catwoman:'''
"You have NO chance against me!"
-->'''Joker''': "Do
me!\\
'''Joker:''' Do
I have a chance WITH you?" you?
14th Dec '17 10:58:24 AM MinisterOfSinister
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** While no one will argue that Superman JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope is a good thing, the fact is that in the comics, a lot of the "extreme" measures taken by Superman and criticized by Batman as BewareTheSuperman are on the face of it, practical and reasonable. Like annihilating all the parademons in a single revolution saved countless human lives, including those of his team-mates who were strained fighting this situation. Batman himself comes across as a FailureHero whose main asset is self-righteousness on how he maintains ThouShaltNotKill over Superman when he has never been in anything like the same situation as he, nor is he willing to compromise and try and temper Superman when the latter, at least in earlier issues, is seeking his approval or guidance when he's at his most troubled.
** Also, parademons are often portrayed as [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman mindless monsters that are okay to kill]]. He has [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries vaporized armies of them with heat vision before]] and it wasn't portrayed as anything bad.
** Particularly difficult to fault among these early actions is Superman's decision to relocate everyone in Arkham Asylum to some unknown, more secure, location, on the grounds that Arkham Asylum is utterly useless and isn't helping anyone, which is pretty much an objective fact. Arkham Asylum is the poster child for the CardboardPrison trope. Superman's actions essentially amount to a LampshadeHanging reality check on one of the most ridiculous conventions in all of ComicBooks, one which has never had any satisfying explanation apart from simply not drawing attention to it, all of which makes Batman's opposition to Superman on this matter patently absurd.
** In addition, in comic Year Two #5, [[spoiler: on Sinestro's inspiration, Superman asks Ganthet if they allowed Krypton to die, which Ganthet repiles positively. Superman responds with anger. Despite Ganthet's talk about "preserving free will" and Superman already probably being a villain, this is indeed disgusting, as Guardians could help evacuate the planet or at least save some people]].
*** This is HarsherInHindsight as the sequel series reveals that Krypton was destroyed by Brainiac meaning the Guardians and the corps should have assisted.
** ComicBook/SwampThing refuses to help the Insurgency because Superman's Regime has reversed all the ecological damage and humans are not the only living things on Earth.
** In Year Five, Catwoman calls out Batman's approach to resistance, noting that the only thing the Insurgency has succeeded in is [[MuggingTheMonster pushing the Regime into taking increasingly extreme and violent measures]] to combat them, while they still fight with useless, outmoded tactics and no end-goal other than vindicating their self-righteousness. It's hard to disagree with her, and her decision to walk out of the Insurgency. In Year Five, issue 23, Bruce actually comes to agree with her, but continues to act because of Alfred's reassuring speech and because of Regime's increasingly evil methods.

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** While no one will argue that Superman JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope is a good thing, the fact is that in the comics, a lot of the "extreme" measures taken by Superman and criticized by Batman as BewareTheSuperman are on the face of it, practical and reasonable. Like annihilating all the parademons in a single revolution saved countless human lives, including those of his team-mates who were strained fighting this situation. Batman himself comes across as a FailureHero whose main asset is self-righteousness on how he maintains ThouShaltNotKill over Superman when he has never been in anything like the same situation as he, nor is he willing to compromise and try and temper Superman when the latter, at least in earlier issues, is seeking his approval or guidance when he's at his most troubled.
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troubled. Huntress subscribes to this in-universe at first, outright asking Batman how Superman dealing with the parademons the way he did is a bad thing and threatening to walk away from the Insurgency because Batman has no strong arguments against Superman.
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Also, parademons are often portrayed as [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman mindless monsters that are okay to kill]]. He has [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries vaporized armies of them with heat vision before]] and it wasn't portrayed as anything bad.
** Particularly difficult to fault among these early actions is Superman's decision to relocate everyone in Arkham Asylum to some unknown, more secure, location, on the grounds that Arkham Asylum is utterly useless and isn't helping anyone, which is pretty much an objective fact. Arkham Asylum is the poster child for the CardboardPrison trope. trope, and many of its residents treat it more like a Rec Room than an asylum. Superman's actions essentially amount to a LampshadeHanging reality check on one of the most ridiculous conventions in all of ComicBooks, one which has never had any satisfying explanation apart from simply not drawing attention to it, all of which makes Batman's opposition to Superman on this matter patently absurd.
** In addition, in comic Year Two #5, [[spoiler: on Sinestro's inspiration, Superman asks Ganthet if they allowed Krypton to die, which Ganthet repiles replies positively. Superman responds with anger. Despite Ganthet's talk about "preserving free will" and Superman already probably being a villain, this is indeed disgusting, as Guardians could help evacuate the planet or at least save some people]].
*** This is HarsherInHindsight as And to [[HarsherInHindsight make things even worse]], the sequel series reveals that Krypton was destroyed ''destroyed by Brainiac Brainiac'', meaning the Guardians were even more in the wrong not to get involved and the corps should have assisted.Ganthet's hypocrisy is a thousand times worse.
** ComicBook/SwampThing refuses to help the Insurgency because Superman's Regime has reversed all the ecological damage damage, weaned off the use of fossil fuels and revolutionised green energy; for all the Insurgency's gripes about humanity being oppressed, humans are not the only living things that matter on Earth.
** In Year Five, Catwoman calls out Batman's approach to resistance, noting that the only thing the Insurgency has succeeded in is [[MuggingTheMonster pushing the Regime into taking increasingly extreme and violent measures]] to combat them, while they still fight with useless, outmoded tactics and no end-goal other than vindicating their self-righteousness. It's hard to disagree with her, and her decision to walk out of the Insurgency. In Year Five, issue Issue 23, Bruce actually comes to agree with her, but continues to act because of Alfred's reassuring speech and because of Regime's increasingly evil methods.speech.
3rd Dec '17 7:56:43 AM Maxx_Crowley
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** The Butlering. [[labelnote: Explanation]] Refers to Year One's climax which involved Alfred taking a super-pill to curbstomp Superman, which is widely regarded as the highest point in the whole comic series. [[/labelnote]]

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** The Butlering. [[labelnote: Explanation]] Refers to Year One's climax which involved Alfred taking a super-pill to curbstomp Superman, which is widely regarded as the highest point in the whole comic series. Or just another stupid contrivance to make Superman look bad for the "badass" Batfamily. [[/labelnote]]
28th Nov '17 1:44:07 PM SorPepita
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** Zod, you missed earth again! [[labelnote:Explanation]]General Zod's entry cinematic is to look at earth from what looks like the Moon, express interest in conquering it, and then land of the battlefield. Thing is, in Classic mode, his battlefield is the watchtower, which is very clearly not on earth, implying that he missed. And, to make things funnier, clearly shows earth outside of its window.[[/labelnote]]

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** Zod, you missed earth again! [[labelnote:Explanation]]General Zod's entry cinematic is to look at earth Earth from what looks like the Moon, express interest in conquering it, and then land of on the battlefield. Thing is, in Classic mode, his battlefield is the watchtower, which is very clearly not on earth, Earth, implying that he missed. And, to make things funnier, clearly shows earth Earth outside of its window.[[/labelnote]]



** The games name has lead to every perceived unfairness being called out with "This is [[TitleDrop injustice]]!"

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** The games game's name has lead to every perceived unfairness being called out with "This is [[TitleDrop injustice]]!"
28th Nov '17 1:41:23 PM SorPepita
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** The basic premise of Superman becoming a fallen hero and Batman again being incorruptible is decried by fans of the former as completely missing the point of Superman, and yet again pandering to Batman's fanbase. As detailed in AlternateCharacterInterpretation above, Batman is also seen as a HolierThanThou Hypocrite in the comics since some of Superman's actions that he condemns would be considered perfectly justified, at least early on, such as his handling of the parademon invasion.

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** The basic premise of Superman becoming a fallen hero and Batman again being incorruptible is decried by fans of the former as completely missing the point of Superman, and yet again pandering to Batman's fanbase. As detailed in AlternateCharacterInterpretation above, Batman is also seen as a HolierThanThou Hypocrite in the comics since some of Superman's actions that he condemns would be considered perfectly justified, at least early on, such as his handling of the parademon Parademon invasion.



* DesignatedHero: Insurgency! Batman can come across as this at times, because he condemns Superman for taking Joker's life, but somehow, when Joker repeatedly escaped and killed, all he ever did was put him back in Arkham. Some of his decisions come off as accepted as right simply because he's Batman. Huntress at one point even asks him outright (after Batman condemns Superman's killing off the Parademon waves during Kalibak's invasion, which in turn actually saved several of Batman's team-mates' lives), "Explain to Ollie and Dinah why their being alive is objectionable, Bruce!"
** Insurgency! Harley, even more so. Her whole raison d'etre in the Insurgency is that Superman killed the Joker, and nothing else. She somehow doesn't acknowledge that Joker brought it on himself by pushing Superman past the DespairEventHorizon, and is somehow never really called out on her own complicity in the destruction of Metropolis, and remains a KarmaHoudini for it. And yet we're supposed to root for her simply because she's a CloudCuckoolander and in mourning. It takes the good Lex's intervention late in the story for her to have an actual HeelFaceTurn.

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* DesignatedHero: Insurgency! Batman Insurgency!Batman can come across as this at times, because he condemns Superman for taking Joker's life, but somehow, when Joker repeatedly escaped and killed, all he ever did was put him back in Arkham. Some of his decisions come off as accepted as right simply because he's Batman. Huntress at one point even asks him outright (after Batman condemns Superman's killing off the Parademon waves during Kalibak's invasion, which in turn actually saved several of Batman's team-mates' lives), "Explain to Ollie and Dinah why their being alive is objectionable, Bruce!"
** Insurgency! Harley, Insurgency!Harley, even more so. Her whole raison d'etre in the Insurgency is that Superman killed the Joker, and nothing else. She somehow doesn't acknowledge that Joker brought it on himself by pushing Superman past the DespairEventHorizon, and is somehow never really called out on her own complicity in the destruction of Metropolis, and remains a KarmaHoudini for it. And yet we're supposed to root for her simply because she's a CloudCuckoolander and in mourning. It takes the good Lex's intervention late in the story for her to have an actual HeelFaceTurn.



* DracoInLeatherPants: Many people tend to sympathize with Regime!Superman a bit too much. They ignore the fact that, TragicVillain or not, he unleashed his troops upon a city for [[DisproportionateRetribution calling]] [[CantTakeCriticism him out for his actions]], killed [[WouldHurtAChild Shazam]] for attempting to reason with him and killed one of his friends right in front of his parents despite his his Mom attempting to stop him from doing so.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Many people tend to sympathize with Regime!Superman a bit too much. They ignore the fact that, TragicVillain or not, he unleashed his troops upon a city for [[DisproportionateRetribution calling]] [[CantTakeCriticism him out for his actions]], killed [[WouldHurtAChild Shazam]] for attempting to reason with him and killed one of his friends right in front of his parents despite his his Mom attempting to stop him from doing so.



** Leader of the Red Lanterns, Atrocitus, who only appears in the game as a non-speaking background character. Many people were excited to see a character from the ''Green Lantern'' expanded mythos in the game and hoped he would be made playable. Sadly, he was never added as DLC, however when the sequel was announced Atrocitus was one of the ''first'' characters they announced.

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** Leader of the Red Lanterns, Atrocitus, who only appears in the game as a non-speaking background character. Many people were excited to see a character from the ''Green Lantern'' expanded mythos in the game and hoped he would be made playable. Sadly, he was never added as DLC, however DLC; however, when the sequel was announced Atrocitus was one of the ''first'' characters they announced.



-->'''Joker''': "I think we have chemistry.."
-->'''Catwoman''': ".. think again!"

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-->'''Joker''': "I think we have chemistry..chemistry..."
-->'''Catwoman''': ".."... think again!"



** Arkham Origins!Deathstroke. His passive allows him to do obscene amounts of unblockable damage on special 1 if he hits 200% (around 80% of a maxed card's full health)...which the AI (including the online defend AI) ''always'' achieved. Coupled with the staggering 56% promotion damage bonus on top of his base damage, he got so ridiculous that eventaully Netherrealm changed his AI behaviour so that it doesn't get 200% every single time, but he remained easily the most dangerous card in the game to the point when they released Red Son Green Lantern, they changed his passive so that he makes Red Son characters immune to crits, practically designed to make AO Deathstroke useless.

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** Arkham Origins!Deathstroke. His passive allows him to do obscene amounts of unblockable damage on special 1 if he hits 200% (around 80% of a maxed card's full health)... which the AI (including the online defend AI) ''always'' achieved. Coupled with the staggering 56% promotion damage bonus on top of his base damage, he got so ridiculous that eventaully Netherrealm changed his AI behaviour so that it doesn't get 200% every single time, but he remained easily the most dangerous card in the game to the point when they released Red Son Green Lantern, they changed his passive so that he makes Red Son characters immune to crits, practically designed to make AO Deathstroke useless.
28th Nov '17 1:36:45 PM SorPepita
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** The basic premise of Superman become a fallen hero and Batman again being incorruptible is decried by fans of the former as completely missing the point of Superman, and yet again pandering to Batman's fanbase. As detailed in AlternateCharacterInterpretation above, Batman is also seen as a HolierThanThou Hypocrite in the comics since some of Superman's actions that he condemns would be considered perfectly justified, at least early on, such as his handling of the parademon invasion.

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** The basic premise of Superman become becoming a fallen hero and Batman again being incorruptible is decried by fans of the former as completely missing the point of Superman, and yet again pandering to Batman's fanbase. As detailed in AlternateCharacterInterpretation above, Batman is also seen as a HolierThanThou Hypocrite in the comics since some of Superman's actions that he condemns would be considered perfectly justified, at least early on, such as his handling of the parademon invasion.
28th Nov '17 1:23:22 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** When Superman tries to kill [[spoiler: The Flash after the latter spares Bruce and lets him escape due to respecting his grief of Alfred's death.]]
** Again, Superman. When he decides to [[spoiler: [[MakeAnExampleOfThem destroy Kahndaq]], Black Adam's nation, if the latter won't join the Regime.]]
28th Nov '17 1:20:28 PM SorPepita
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** Also, parademons are often portrayed as [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman mindless monsters that are okay to kill]]. He has [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries vaporized armies of them with heat vision before]] and it wasn't portrayed as anything bad.



** Also, parademons are often portrayed as [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman mindless monsters that are okay to kill]]. He has [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries vaporized armies of them with heat vision before]] and it wasn't portrayed as anything bad.
28th Nov '17 1:15:16 PM SorPepita
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** When Superman tries to kill [[spoiler: The Flash after the latter spares Bruce and lets him escape due to respecting his grief of Alfred's death.]]
** Again, Superman. When he decides to [[spoiler: [[MakeAnExampleOfThem destroy Kahndaq]], Black Adam's nation, if the latter won't join the Regime.]]



** When Superman tries to kill [[spoiler: The Flash after the latter spares Bruce and lets him escape due to respecting his grieve of Alfred's death.]]
** Again, Superman. When he decides to [[spoiler: [[MakeAnExampleOfThem destroy Kahndaq]], Black Adam's nation, if the latter won't join the Regime.]]
28th Nov '17 1:10:55 PM SorPepita
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: One issue shows Black Racer was captured and is being tortured by Darkseid. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse This was never touched on again after Kalibak's invasion of earth.]]

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: One issue shows Black Racer was captured and is being tortured by Darkseid. [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse This was never touched on again after Kalibak's invasion of earth.Earth.]]
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