History YMMV / IncredibleHulk

9th Jun '17 5:29:55 AM Megazord
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* HilariousInHindsight: In 2011, [[Series/TheColbertReport Colbert]] joked about the possibility of a Chinese/Asian Hulk (while commenting on [[Comicbook/UltimateSpiderMan Miles Morales]]). And guess what? Now Marvel has announced Amadeus Cho as the new Hulk!

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In 2011, [[Series/TheColbertReport Colbert]] joked about the possibility of a Chinese/Asian Hulk (while commenting on [[Comicbook/UltimateSpiderMan Miles Morales]]). And guess what? Now Marvel has announced Amadeus Cho as the new Hulk!Hulk!
** The Hulk series has a tendency of introducing characters who are basically protoype versions of future ones. The Metal Master was one for Magneto and somewhat Molecule Man, while Blossom from issue 217 was one for Big Bertha, the Blob's SpearCounterpart.
1st May '17 5:08:36 PM N8han11
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** In some ways Bruce Banner is very unfortunate, given all of the abuse, isolation, and mental illness he has suffered from. On the other hand he is a supergenius and almost unkillable immortal, who has had affairs with plenty of beautiful women, so he doesn't really rate particularly high by real-world standards. This actually has precedent since the Hulk becomes mindless when separated from Banner. Also, the Hulk never actively attacks innocents and if he did, he wouldn't be as sympathetic.
** Writer Dan Slott explained the Marvel ''Civil War'' with this subject. If Hulk went around killing people then Tony Stark was absolutely right in everything he did. If Hulk didn't kill anybody, Captain America was right. A lot of people should be dying during these big super powered battles (not just from Hulk's rampages) but they don't to keep the content in a (somewhat) family friendly level.
** Returning to original the Hulk, the thing is that the rampage part is mostly a popular myth. He's defended himself from attackers plenty of times (after first warnings that they should leave him alone), but just started to attack unrelated populated buildings? No. The few times that has happened, he was either mind-controlled by Nightmare (he never had the chance to kill anybody though), Banner was physically removed from the Hulk (1980s), or in the 2000s case a gamma-bomb blew up in his face and caused him to hallucinate (for those who actually read the ''Fantastic Four'' issue, he didn't even hurt anybody though, but that was mostly dumb luck). The memetic false perception has greatly overshadowed fact in this case. Which is actually kind of the point; the Hulk doesn't just go around smashing cities. People in-universe thinks he does. He once publicly announced that he just wanted to be left alone, and for every time the military or superheroes attacked him, he tended to smash lots of military equipment, or nearby buildings were caught in the crossfire, which doesn't exactly help his case. People in-universe don't care if he was BrainwashedAndCrazy, under MoreThanMindControl, physically separated from Banner, or what. All they care about is that cities have a nasty habit of turning into rubble whenever he's around. The fact that he looks like a monster rather than a hero, is unpredictable, generally an example of JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and other things that are bad for PR are what leads to him getting more flack for property damage than the other heroes.

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** In some ways Bruce Banner is very unfortunate, given all of the abuse, isolation, and mental illness he has suffered from. On the other hand he is a supergenius and almost unkillable immortal, who has had affairs with plenty of beautiful women, so he doesn't really rate particularly high by real-world standards. This actually has precedent since the Hulk becomes mindless when separated from Banner. Also, the Hulk never actively attacks innocents and if he did, he wouldn't be as sympathetic.
** Writer Dan Slott explained the Marvel ''Civil War'' with this subject. If Hulk went around killing people then Tony Stark was absolutely right in everything he did. If Hulk didn't kill anybody, Captain America was right. A lot of people should be dying during these big super powered battles (not just from Hulk's rampages) but they don't to keep the content in a (somewhat) family friendly level.
** Returning to original the Hulk, the thing is that the rampage part is mostly a popular myth. He's defended himself from attackers plenty of times (after first warnings that they should leave him alone), but just started to attack unrelated populated buildings? No. The few times that has happened, he was either mind-controlled by Nightmare (he never had the chance to kill anybody though), Banner was physically removed from the Hulk (1980s), or in the 2000s case a gamma-bomb blew up in his face and caused him to hallucinate (for those who actually read the ''Fantastic Four'' issue, he didn't even hurt anybody though, but that was mostly dumb luck). The memetic false perception has greatly overshadowed fact in this case. Which is actually kind of the point; the Hulk doesn't just go around smashing cities. People in-universe thinks he does. He once publicly announced that he just wanted to be left alone, and for every time the military or superheroes attacked him, he tended to smash lots of military equipment, or nearby buildings were caught in the crossfire, which doesn't exactly help his case. People in-universe don't care if he was BrainwashedAndCrazy, under MoreThanMindControl, physically separated from Banner, or what. All they care about is that cities have a nasty habit of turning into rubble whenever he's around. The fact that he looks like a monster rather than a hero, is unpredictable, generally an example of JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and other things that are bad for PR are what leads to him getting more flack for property damage than the other heroes.
31st Oct '16 7:55:26 AM Eagal
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* CompleteMonster: [[EvilMeScaresMe The Maestro]] is a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version]] of the Hulk. [[BadFuture Ninety years in the future]] after [[AfterTheEnd the world is devastated by nuclear war]], the Hulk has changed his name to the Maestro and builds a city state called Dystopia out of the wreckage of New York City. In Dystopia, the Maestro rules as a [[EvilOverlord dictator]], taking whatever he wants from his subjects, hoarding almost all of the food and resources for himself. When the Maestro sees a woman he fancies, he forces her to become his [[SexSlave slave]]. The outside of his palace is littered with the corpses of those who have defied or displeased him. He has his SecretPolice patrol the streets, killing anyone who would oppose him. After the Maestro's forces have captured one of Rick Jones' rebels, the Maestro [[MindRape subjects the rebel to a machine which forcibly scans a person's mind]]. After the machine puts the rebel in a vegetative state, the Maestro kills him with his own hands, because the rebel had insulted him earlier. When Rick Jones uses Dr. Doom's TimeMachine to bring the Hulk to the future to defeat the Maestro, the Maestro takes one of his slave girl's hostage to force Hulk to surrender to him. The Maestro then proceeds to [[NeckSnap break the Hulk's neck]], leaving him paralyzed. Later, the Maestro forces his slave girls to [[RapeByProxy perform sexual acts on the paralyzed Hulk]], without the Hulk's consent, [[ItAmusedMe apparently for his own sick amusement]]. The Maestro is devoid of anything that made the Hulk sympathetic, he murders an elderly Rick Jones, the man who was once his best friend, for opposing him. The Maestro also tells the Hulk he prefers his harem of slaves to his former wife Betty Ross, because his slaves don't talk back to him or have opinions of their own. The Hulk find the Maestro horrifying and considers him one of the most detestable foes he has had to contend with. He remains just as bad when he reappears in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'', deciding on a whim to have an entire village wiped out, and subsequently using the corpses to decorate a giant sign that spells out "MAESTRO".
** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]].

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[[EvilMeScaresMe The Maestro]] is a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version]] of the Hulk. [[BadFuture Ninety years in the future]] after [[AfterTheEnd the world is devastated by nuclear war]], the Hulk has changed his name to the Maestro and builds a city state called Dystopia out of the wreckage of New York City. In Dystopia, the Maestro rules as a [[EvilOverlord dictator]], taking whatever he wants from his subjects, hoarding almost all of the food and resources for himself. When the Maestro sees a woman he fancies, he forces her to become his [[SexSlave slave]]. The outside of his palace is littered with the corpses of those who have defied or displeased him. He has his SecretPolice patrol the streets, killing anyone who would oppose him. After the Maestro's forces have captured one of Rick Jones' rebels, the Maestro [[MindRape subjects the rebel to a machine which forcibly scans a person's mind]]. After the machine puts the rebel in a vegetative state, the Maestro kills him with his own hands, because the rebel had insulted him earlier. When Rick Jones uses Dr. Doom's TimeMachine to bring the Hulk to the future to defeat the Maestro, the Maestro takes one of his slave girl's hostage to force Hulk to surrender to him. The Maestro then proceeds to [[NeckSnap break the Hulk's neck]], leaving him paralyzed. Later, the Maestro forces his slave girls to [[RapeByProxy perform sexual acts on the paralyzed Hulk]], without the Hulk's consent, [[ItAmusedMe apparently for his own sick amusement]]. The Maestro is devoid of anything that made the Hulk sympathetic, he murders an elderly Rick Jones, the man who was once his best friend, for opposing him. The Maestro also tells the Hulk he prefers his harem of slaves to his former wife Betty Ross, because his slaves don't talk back to him or have opinions of their own. The Hulk find the Maestro horrifying and considers him one of the most detestable foes he has had to contend with. He remains just as bad when he reappears in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'', deciding on a whim to have an entire village wiped out, and subsequently using the corpses to decorate a giant sign that spells out "MAESTRO".
** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]]. When the Hulk first challenged him to battle, the Red King casually kills off the rest of a gladiatorial bout's survivors (save for Miek); and, after Hulk gains the upper hand, he [[JustYouAndMeAndMyGuards sends his guards on him]] and [[InTheBack shoots him in the back]]. Later, we see him firsthand casually ordering the death of people who say something against his high tributes and dismissing the complains of his peasants, because he doesn't see them as anything more than animals. During the second Arena Fight of Hulk and his Warbound, he [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem screws the rules]] and tries to [[KillEmAll nuke them]] (together with the whole audience), which only fails because Hulk contains the blast. He even attempts to make them kill one of their Warbound-members via MindRape. After the heroes confront him with his crimes, Miek using chemming to force him to relive them, he doesn't even care one bit, rolls his eyes, and smugly proclaims: "Yes. I killed them. As is my Right. As is my Duty. As is [[ForTheEvulz my Pleasure]]." And when he's finally defeated, he [[TakingYouWithMe attempts to destroy the whole planet in response]]. The only way to make him remotely good was shown later when they made him into a cyborg and [[BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood programmed into behaving]]. Plus, Caeira's flashback of him as a child. In the comic, he saves her life but immediately enslaves her. In the animated film, [[IOweYouMyLife she offers her loyalty willingly]] but the kid Red King turns out to have been still just as villainous when he reveals [[spoiler:he ordered the Spike attack on Caiera's village specifically so he could capture her.]]
29th Oct '16 2:38:49 PM Forenperser
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** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]].
26th Oct '16 1:51:47 AM lalalei2001
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* NightmareFuel:
** On those occasions when the Hulk gets seriously angry and destructive and unable to differentiate between friend and foe, it can get a little unsettling. And on the flip side, stories where someone is actually able to beat the crap out of the Hulk himself is a frightening visual when you consider his power level.
** One of Mister Hyde's creepiest appearances was in The Incredible Hulk #368, where he cornered Bruce Banner on a train, stabbed him, slammed him into a wall, and taunted him over their Jekyll and Hyde duality, explaining that he decided to kill the Hulk to prove he's superior, as there's no room for two Edward Hydes. Hyde eventually declares he's won, as while the Hulk cares for others, Hyde has no such weakness, and laughs as he falls off the train and down a cliff. The whole thing is made worse by the comic's use of shadows, giving the train scenes an eerie, nightmarish feel. Even Bruce admits that Hyde knew how to push his buttons.
** Issue #377. Doc Samson hypnotizes Bruce to try and reconcile the Hulk and Joe Fixit, as their war for control is turning Bruce into a wreck. While inside Bruce's head they find that he is haunted by a horrifying monster (the "Guilt Hulk") that effortlessly defeats both the Hulk and Joe. We see the monster beating young Bruce on Christmas morning and murdering Bruce's mother, and its made clear that the monster is Brian Banner.
** ''Hulk: The End'': Bruce Banner is the last living human after two nuclear wars which wiped out everybody else on the planet. When the story picks up Banner has spent years (possibly ''decades'') wandering the radioactive wastelands, completely alone except for an alien recorder bot and the Hulk berating and raging at him inside his head. During that time Bruce has aged into an extremely old and frail man who thinks he may be over ''200 years old'' (and looks every day of it). He wants desperately to die, but the Hulk refuses to let that happen. Bruce even tries to kill himself by jumping off a cliff but it's the Hulk who lands. At one point Bruce is chased by a swarm of giant evolved cockroaches, which are too much even for the Hulk to handle all at once; they overwhelm him and ''eat most of his flesh and internal organs, including [[EyeScream both eyes]] and his tongue'', which Hulk [[GoodThingYouCanHeal of course regenerates]] (and this is said to happen ''regularly''). Bruce later has a heart attack and pleads with the Hulk to let them both go, but Hulk refuses and transforms as Bruce is on the point of death. The end of the story leaves the Hulk's fate in doubt but one awful possibility that suggests itself [[AndIMustScream that Bruce is buried deep within the Hulk's psyche]] and that if the Hulk chooses not to change back, that they are both still stuck together on the dead Earth. ''Forever''. The only difference being that Hulk can't hear Bruce inside his head anymore and as far as he knows, "Hulk is... only one... there is. Hulk feels... cold." God-''damn'', PeterDavid.
** Every. Single. Thing. About the Maestro. As mentioned above, Hulk can be as terrifying as you'd expect from one of the most powerful beings on Earth who just so happens to suffer from mental instability and "breath-taking anger management issues". Now, take the Hulk, remove all his positive qualities, and turn all his negative qualities UpToEleven, and what do you have? The Maestro. Also from above, the sheer scale of the atrocities the Maestro is responsible for, and the depth of his depravity. It's truly terrifying to think that one of the most [[TheWoobie tragic and pitiable]] protagonists in fiction could become so utterly ''[[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds broken]]'' that he comes out the other side as such an absolute [[CompleteMonster monster]].
** Post-ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}, the Hulk, literally half the ma-err, monster he used to be due to being separated from Banner again, starts giving off an unusual and deadly amount of radiation. He was also brain-damaged during this time, and given his usual temperaments, this was a recipe for disaster. One attempt from the army to contain him had him ''melt'' the lead containment shield designed to capture him, and the Hulk ''tearing half his face off''. A soldier in a special radiation-resistant suit [[NauseaFuel felt nauseated seeing that]] [[TooDumbToLive and attempted to take his helmet off to throw up]], [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath but himself received a horrifying death where his eyes]] ''[[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath melted]]'' [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath as his skin burned from the radiation the Hulk gave off]].
13th Oct '16 7:20:37 PM Eagal
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* CompleteMonster:
** [[EvilMeScaresMe The Maestro]] is a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version]] of the Hulk. [[BadFuture Ninety years in the future]] after [[AfterTheEnd the world is devastated by nuclear war]], the Hulk has changed his name to the Maestro and builds a city state called Dystopia out of the wreckage of New York City. In Dystopia, the Maestro rules as a [[EvilOverlord dictator]], taking whatever he wants from his subjects, hoarding almost all of the food and resources for himself. When the Maestro sees a woman he fancies, he forces her to become his [[SexSlave slave]]. The outside of his palace is littered with the corpses of those who have defied or displeased him. He has his SecretPolice patrol the streets, killing anyone who would oppose him. After the Maestro's forces have captured one of Rick Jones' rebels, the Maestro [[MindRape subjects the rebel to a machine which forcibly scans a person's mind]]. After the machine puts the rebel in a vegetative state, the Maestro kills him with his own hands, because the rebel had insulted him earlier. When Rick Jones uses Dr. Doom's TimeMachine to bring the Hulk to the future to defeat the Maestro, the Maestro takes one of his slave girl's hostage to force Hulk to surrender to him. The Maestro then proceeds to [[NeckSnap break the Hulk's neck]], leaving him paralyzed. Later, the Maestro forces his slave girls to [[RapeByProxy perform sexual acts on the paralyzed Hulk]], without the Hulk's consent, [[ItAmusedMe apparently for his own sick amusement]]. The Maestro is devoid of anything that made the Hulk sympathetic, he murders an elderly Rick Jones, the man who was once his best friend, for opposing him. The Maestro also tells the Hulk he prefers his harem of slaves to his former wife Betty Ross, because his slaves don't talk back to him or have opinions of their own. The Hulk find the Maestro horrifying and considers him one of the most detestable foes he has had to contend with. He remains just as bad when he reappears in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'', deciding on a whim to have an entire village wiped out, and subsequently using the corpses to decorate a giant sign that spells out "MAESTRO".
** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]].

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* CompleteMonster:
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CompleteMonster: [[EvilMeScaresMe The Maestro]] is a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version]] of the Hulk. [[BadFuture Ninety years in the future]] after [[AfterTheEnd the world is devastated by nuclear war]], the Hulk has changed his name to the Maestro and builds a city state called Dystopia out of the wreckage of New York City. In Dystopia, the Maestro rules as a [[EvilOverlord dictator]], taking whatever he wants from his subjects, hoarding almost all of the food and resources for himself. When the Maestro sees a woman he fancies, he forces her to become his [[SexSlave slave]]. The outside of his palace is littered with the corpses of those who have defied or displeased him. He has his SecretPolice patrol the streets, killing anyone who would oppose him. After the Maestro's forces have captured one of Rick Jones' rebels, the Maestro [[MindRape subjects the rebel to a machine which forcibly scans a person's mind]]. After the machine puts the rebel in a vegetative state, the Maestro kills him with his own hands, because the rebel had insulted him earlier. When Rick Jones uses Dr. Doom's TimeMachine to bring the Hulk to the future to defeat the Maestro, the Maestro takes one of his slave girl's hostage to force Hulk to surrender to him. The Maestro then proceeds to [[NeckSnap break the Hulk's neck]], leaving him paralyzed. Later, the Maestro forces his slave girls to [[RapeByProxy perform sexual acts on the paralyzed Hulk]], without the Hulk's consent, [[ItAmusedMe apparently for his own sick amusement]]. The Maestro is devoid of anything that made the Hulk sympathetic, he murders an elderly Rick Jones, the man who was once his best friend, for opposing him. The Maestro also tells the Hulk he prefers his harem of slaves to his former wife Betty Ross, because his slaves don't talk back to him or have opinions of their own. The Hulk find the Maestro horrifying and considers him one of the most detestable foes he has had to contend with. He remains just as bad when he reappears in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'', deciding on a whim to have an entire village wiped out, and subsequently using the corpses to decorate a giant sign that spells out "MAESTRO".
** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]].
"MAESTRO".
13th Oct '16 7:10:13 PM Eagal
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Banner being permanently rid of the Hulk and his subsequent death at the hands of Hawkeye were immediately undone when [[Comicbook/DareDevil The Hand]] brought him back to life.
21st Sep '16 3:58:39 AM timotaka
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** ''Hulk: The End'': Bruce Banner is the last living human after two nuclear wars which wiped out everybody else on the planet. When the story picks up Banner has spent years (possibly ''decades'') wandering the radioactive wastelands, completely alone except for an alien recorder bot and the Hulk berating and raging at him inside his head. During that time Bruce has aged into an extremely old and frail man who thinks he may be over ''200 years old'' (and looks every day of it). He wants desperately to die, but the Hulk refuses to let that happen. Bruce even tries to kill himself by jumping off a cliff but it's the Hulk who lands. At one point Bruce is chased by a swarm of giant evolved cockroaches, which are too much even for the Hulk to handle all at once; they overwhelm him and ''eat most of his flesh and internal organs, including [[EyeScream both eyes]] and his tongue'', which Hulk [[GoodThingYouCanHeal of course regenerates]] (and this is said to happen ''regularly''). Bruce later has a heart attack and pleads with the Hulk to let them both go, but Hulk refuses and transforms as Bruce is on the point of death. The end of the story leaves the Hulk's fate in doubt but one awful possibility that suggests itself [[AndIMustScream that Bruce is buried deep within the Hulk's psyche]] and that if the Hulk chooses not to change back, that they are both still stuck together on the dead Earth. ''Forever''. The only difference being that Hulk can't hear Bruce inside his head anymore and as far as he knows, "Hulk is... only one... there is". God-''damn'', PeterDavid.

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** ''Hulk: The End'': Bruce Banner is the last living human after two nuclear wars which wiped out everybody else on the planet. When the story picks up Banner has spent years (possibly ''decades'') wandering the radioactive wastelands, completely alone except for an alien recorder bot and the Hulk berating and raging at him inside his head. During that time Bruce has aged into an extremely old and frail man who thinks he may be over ''200 years old'' (and looks every day of it). He wants desperately to die, but the Hulk refuses to let that happen. Bruce even tries to kill himself by jumping off a cliff but it's the Hulk who lands. At one point Bruce is chased by a swarm of giant evolved cockroaches, which are too much even for the Hulk to handle all at once; they overwhelm him and ''eat most of his flesh and internal organs, including [[EyeScream both eyes]] and his tongue'', which Hulk [[GoodThingYouCanHeal of course regenerates]] (and this is said to happen ''regularly''). Bruce later has a heart attack and pleads with the Hulk to let them both go, but Hulk refuses and transforms as Bruce is on the point of death. The end of the story leaves the Hulk's fate in doubt but one awful possibility that suggests itself [[AndIMustScream that Bruce is buried deep within the Hulk's psyche]] and that if the Hulk chooses not to change back, that they are both still stuck together on the dead Earth. ''Forever''. The only difference being that Hulk can't hear Bruce inside his head anymore and as far as he knows, "Hulk is... only one... there is". is. Hulk feels... cold." God-''damn'', PeterDavid.
21st Sep '16 3:31:55 AM timotaka
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Abomination almost murdering Betty Ross by giving her cancer.

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The Abomination almost murdering Betty Ross by giving her cancer.cancer.
** The Leader detonating a gamma bomb in the middle of a small town of five thousand people in an attempt to create more gamma-powered superhumans. This worked for about one in a thousand. The rest were ashes.
16th Aug '16 4:04:14 PM lalalei2001
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* MyRealDaddy: Peter David. Wrote the book for over ''12 years'' and pretty much shaped the mythos, cast, and central traits of the Hulk. Like Chris Claremont for the X-Men, nearly every run of the Hulk builds off what PAD started.

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* MyRealDaddy: Peter David. Wrote David wrote the book for over ''12 years'' and pretty much shaped the mythos, cast, and central traits of the Hulk. Like Chris Claremont for the X-Men, nearly every run of the Hulk builds off what PAD started.


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** One of Mister Hyde's creepiest appearances was in The Incredible Hulk #368, where he cornered Bruce Banner on a train, stabbed him, slammed him into a wall, and taunted him over their Jekyll and Hyde duality, explaining that he decided to kill the Hulk to prove he's superior, as there's no room for two Edward Hydes. Hyde eventually declares he's won, as while the Hulk cares for others, Hyde has no such weakness, and laughs as he falls off the train and down a cliff. The whole thing is made worse by the comic's use of shadows, giving the train scenes an eerie, nightmarish feel. Even Bruce admits that Hyde knew how to push his buttons.
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