History YMMV / IncredibleHulk

31st Oct '16 7:55:26 AM Eagal
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* CompleteMonster: [[EvilMeScaresMe The Maestro]] is a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version]] of the Hulk. [[BadFuture Ninety years in the future]] after [[AfterTheEnd the world is devastated by nuclear war]], the Hulk has changed his name to the Maestro and builds a city state called Dystopia out of the wreckage of New York City. In Dystopia, the Maestro rules as a [[EvilOverlord dictator]], taking whatever he wants from his subjects, hoarding almost all of the food and resources for himself. When the Maestro sees a woman he fancies, he forces her to become his [[SexSlave slave]]. The outside of his palace is littered with the corpses of those who have defied or displeased him. He has his SecretPolice patrol the streets, killing anyone who would oppose him. After the Maestro's forces have captured one of Rick Jones' rebels, the Maestro [[MindRape subjects the rebel to a machine which forcibly scans a person's mind]]. After the machine puts the rebel in a vegetative state, the Maestro kills him with his own hands, because the rebel had insulted him earlier. When Rick Jones uses Dr. Doom's TimeMachine to bring the Hulk to the future to defeat the Maestro, the Maestro takes one of his slave girl's hostage to force Hulk to surrender to him. The Maestro then proceeds to [[NeckSnap break the Hulk's neck]], leaving him paralyzed. Later, the Maestro forces his slave girls to [[RapeByProxy perform sexual acts on the paralyzed Hulk]], without the Hulk's consent, [[ItAmusedMe apparently for his own sick amusement]]. The Maestro is devoid of anything that made the Hulk sympathetic, he murders an elderly Rick Jones, the man who was once his best friend, for opposing him. The Maestro also tells the Hulk he prefers his harem of slaves to his former wife Betty Ross, because his slaves don't talk back to him or have opinions of their own. The Hulk find the Maestro horrifying and considers him one of the most detestable foes he has had to contend with. He remains just as bad when he reappears in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'', deciding on a whim to have an entire village wiped out, and subsequently using the corpses to decorate a giant sign that spells out "MAESTRO".
** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]].

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[[EvilMeScaresMe The Maestro]] is a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version]] of the Hulk. [[BadFuture Ninety years in the future]] after [[AfterTheEnd the world is devastated by nuclear war]], the Hulk has changed his name to the Maestro and builds a city state called Dystopia out of the wreckage of New York City. In Dystopia, the Maestro rules as a [[EvilOverlord dictator]], taking whatever he wants from his subjects, hoarding almost all of the food and resources for himself. When the Maestro sees a woman he fancies, he forces her to become his [[SexSlave slave]]. The outside of his palace is littered with the corpses of those who have defied or displeased him. He has his SecretPolice patrol the streets, killing anyone who would oppose him. After the Maestro's forces have captured one of Rick Jones' rebels, the Maestro [[MindRape subjects the rebel to a machine which forcibly scans a person's mind]]. After the machine puts the rebel in a vegetative state, the Maestro kills him with his own hands, because the rebel had insulted him earlier. When Rick Jones uses Dr. Doom's TimeMachine to bring the Hulk to the future to defeat the Maestro, the Maestro takes one of his slave girl's hostage to force Hulk to surrender to him. The Maestro then proceeds to [[NeckSnap break the Hulk's neck]], leaving him paralyzed. Later, the Maestro forces his slave girls to [[RapeByProxy perform sexual acts on the paralyzed Hulk]], without the Hulk's consent, [[ItAmusedMe apparently for his own sick amusement]]. The Maestro is devoid of anything that made the Hulk sympathetic, he murders an elderly Rick Jones, the man who was once his best friend, for opposing him. The Maestro also tells the Hulk he prefers his harem of slaves to his former wife Betty Ross, because his slaves don't talk back to him or have opinions of their own. The Hulk find the Maestro horrifying and considers him one of the most detestable foes he has had to contend with. He remains just as bad when he reappears in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'', deciding on a whim to have an entire village wiped out, and subsequently using the corpses to decorate a giant sign that spells out "MAESTRO".
** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]]. When the Hulk first challenged him to battle, the Red King casually kills off the rest of a gladiatorial bout's survivors (save for Miek); and, after Hulk gains the upper hand, he [[JustYouAndMeAndMyGuards sends his guards on him]] and [[InTheBack shoots him in the back]]. Later, we see him firsthand casually ordering the death of people who say something against his high tributes and dismissing the complains of his peasants, because he doesn't see them as anything more than animals. During the second Arena Fight of Hulk and his Warbound, he [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem screws the rules]] and tries to [[KillEmAll nuke them]] (together with the whole audience), which only fails because Hulk contains the blast. He even attempts to make them kill one of their Warbound-members via MindRape. After the heroes confront him with his crimes, Miek using chemming to force him to relive them, he doesn't even care one bit, rolls his eyes, and smugly proclaims: "Yes. I killed them. As is my Right. As is my Duty. As is [[ForTheEvulz my Pleasure]]." And when he's finally defeated, he [[TakingYouWithMe attempts to destroy the whole planet in response]]. The only way to make him remotely good was shown later when they made him into a cyborg and [[BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood programmed into behaving]]. Plus, Caeira's flashback of him as a child. In the comic, he saves her life but immediately enslaves her. In the animated film, [[IOweYouMyLife she offers her loyalty willingly]] but the kid Red King turns out to have been still just as villainous when he reveals [[spoiler:he ordered the Spike attack on Caiera's village specifically so he could capture her.]]
29th Oct '16 2:38:49 PM Forenperser
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** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]].
26th Oct '16 1:51:47 AM lalalei2001
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* NightmareFuel:
** On those occasions when the Hulk gets seriously angry and destructive and unable to differentiate between friend and foe, it can get a little unsettling. And on the flip side, stories where someone is actually able to beat the crap out of the Hulk himself is a frightening visual when you consider his power level.
** One of Mister Hyde's creepiest appearances was in The Incredible Hulk #368, where he cornered Bruce Banner on a train, stabbed him, slammed him into a wall, and taunted him over their Jekyll and Hyde duality, explaining that he decided to kill the Hulk to prove he's superior, as there's no room for two Edward Hydes. Hyde eventually declares he's won, as while the Hulk cares for others, Hyde has no such weakness, and laughs as he falls off the train and down a cliff. The whole thing is made worse by the comic's use of shadows, giving the train scenes an eerie, nightmarish feel. Even Bruce admits that Hyde knew how to push his buttons.
** Issue #377. Doc Samson hypnotizes Bruce to try and reconcile the Hulk and Joe Fixit, as their war for control is turning Bruce into a wreck. While inside Bruce's head they find that he is haunted by a horrifying monster (the "Guilt Hulk") that effortlessly defeats both the Hulk and Joe. We see the monster beating young Bruce on Christmas morning and murdering Bruce's mother, and its made clear that the monster is Brian Banner.
** ''Hulk: The End'': Bruce Banner is the last living human after two nuclear wars which wiped out everybody else on the planet. When the story picks up Banner has spent years (possibly ''decades'') wandering the radioactive wastelands, completely alone except for an alien recorder bot and the Hulk berating and raging at him inside his head. During that time Bruce has aged into an extremely old and frail man who thinks he may be over ''200 years old'' (and looks every day of it). He wants desperately to die, but the Hulk refuses to let that happen. Bruce even tries to kill himself by jumping off a cliff but it's the Hulk who lands. At one point Bruce is chased by a swarm of giant evolved cockroaches, which are too much even for the Hulk to handle all at once; they overwhelm him and ''eat most of his flesh and internal organs, including [[EyeScream both eyes]] and his tongue'', which Hulk [[GoodThingYouCanHeal of course regenerates]] (and this is said to happen ''regularly''). Bruce later has a heart attack and pleads with the Hulk to let them both go, but Hulk refuses and transforms as Bruce is on the point of death. The end of the story leaves the Hulk's fate in doubt but one awful possibility that suggests itself [[AndIMustScream that Bruce is buried deep within the Hulk's psyche]] and that if the Hulk chooses not to change back, that they are both still stuck together on the dead Earth. ''Forever''. The only difference being that Hulk can't hear Bruce inside his head anymore and as far as he knows, "Hulk is... only one... there is. Hulk feels... cold." God-''damn'', PeterDavid.
** Every. Single. Thing. About the Maestro. As mentioned above, Hulk can be as terrifying as you'd expect from one of the most powerful beings on Earth who just so happens to suffer from mental instability and "breath-taking anger management issues". Now, take the Hulk, remove all his positive qualities, and turn all his negative qualities UpToEleven, and what do you have? The Maestro. Also from above, the sheer scale of the atrocities the Maestro is responsible for, and the depth of his depravity. It's truly terrifying to think that one of the most [[TheWoobie tragic and pitiable]] protagonists in fiction could become so utterly ''[[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds broken]]'' that he comes out the other side as such an absolute [[CompleteMonster monster]].
** Post-ComicBook/{{Onslaught}}, the Hulk, literally half the ma-err, monster he used to be due to being separated from Banner again, starts giving off an unusual and deadly amount of radiation. He was also brain-damaged during this time, and given his usual temperaments, this was a recipe for disaster. One attempt from the army to contain him had him ''melt'' the lead containment shield designed to capture him, and the Hulk ''tearing half his face off''. A soldier in a special radiation-resistant suit [[NauseaFuel felt nauseated seeing that]] [[TooDumbToLive and attempted to take his helmet off to throw up]], [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath but himself received a horrifying death where his eyes]] ''[[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath melted]]'' [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath as his skin burned from the radiation the Hulk gave off]].
13th Oct '16 7:20:37 PM Eagal
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* CompleteMonster:
** [[EvilMeScaresMe The Maestro]] is a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version]] of the Hulk. [[BadFuture Ninety years in the future]] after [[AfterTheEnd the world is devastated by nuclear war]], the Hulk has changed his name to the Maestro and builds a city state called Dystopia out of the wreckage of New York City. In Dystopia, the Maestro rules as a [[EvilOverlord dictator]], taking whatever he wants from his subjects, hoarding almost all of the food and resources for himself. When the Maestro sees a woman he fancies, he forces her to become his [[SexSlave slave]]. The outside of his palace is littered with the corpses of those who have defied or displeased him. He has his SecretPolice patrol the streets, killing anyone who would oppose him. After the Maestro's forces have captured one of Rick Jones' rebels, the Maestro [[MindRape subjects the rebel to a machine which forcibly scans a person's mind]]. After the machine puts the rebel in a vegetative state, the Maestro kills him with his own hands, because the rebel had insulted him earlier. When Rick Jones uses Dr. Doom's TimeMachine to bring the Hulk to the future to defeat the Maestro, the Maestro takes one of his slave girl's hostage to force Hulk to surrender to him. The Maestro then proceeds to [[NeckSnap break the Hulk's neck]], leaving him paralyzed. Later, the Maestro forces his slave girls to [[RapeByProxy perform sexual acts on the paralyzed Hulk]], without the Hulk's consent, [[ItAmusedMe apparently for his own sick amusement]]. The Maestro is devoid of anything that made the Hulk sympathetic, he murders an elderly Rick Jones, the man who was once his best friend, for opposing him. The Maestro also tells the Hulk he prefers his harem of slaves to his former wife Betty Ross, because his slaves don't talk back to him or have opinions of their own. The Hulk find the Maestro horrifying and considers him one of the most detestable foes he has had to contend with. He remains just as bad when he reappears in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'', deciding on a whim to have an entire village wiped out, and subsequently using the corpses to decorate a giant sign that spells out "MAESTRO".
** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]].

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* CompleteMonster:
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CompleteMonster: [[EvilMeScaresMe The Maestro]] is a [[FutureMeScaresMe future version]] of the Hulk. [[BadFuture Ninety years in the future]] after [[AfterTheEnd the world is devastated by nuclear war]], the Hulk has changed his name to the Maestro and builds a city state called Dystopia out of the wreckage of New York City. In Dystopia, the Maestro rules as a [[EvilOverlord dictator]], taking whatever he wants from his subjects, hoarding almost all of the food and resources for himself. When the Maestro sees a woman he fancies, he forces her to become his [[SexSlave slave]]. The outside of his palace is littered with the corpses of those who have defied or displeased him. He has his SecretPolice patrol the streets, killing anyone who would oppose him. After the Maestro's forces have captured one of Rick Jones' rebels, the Maestro [[MindRape subjects the rebel to a machine which forcibly scans a person's mind]]. After the machine puts the rebel in a vegetative state, the Maestro kills him with his own hands, because the rebel had insulted him earlier. When Rick Jones uses Dr. Doom's TimeMachine to bring the Hulk to the future to defeat the Maestro, the Maestro takes one of his slave girl's hostage to force Hulk to surrender to him. The Maestro then proceeds to [[NeckSnap break the Hulk's neck]], leaving him paralyzed. Later, the Maestro forces his slave girls to [[RapeByProxy perform sexual acts on the paralyzed Hulk]], without the Hulk's consent, [[ItAmusedMe apparently for his own sick amusement]]. The Maestro is devoid of anything that made the Hulk sympathetic, he murders an elderly Rick Jones, the man who was once his best friend, for opposing him. The Maestro also tells the Hulk he prefers his harem of slaves to his former wife Betty Ross, because his slaves don't talk back to him or have opinions of their own. The Hulk find the Maestro horrifying and considers him one of the most detestable foes he has had to contend with. He remains just as bad when he reappears in ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'', deciding on a whim to have an entire village wiped out, and subsequently using the corpses to decorate a giant sign that spells out "MAESTRO".
** ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' gives us Angmo-Asan, [[TheRedBaron the Red King]].
"MAESTRO".
13th Oct '16 7:10:13 PM Eagal
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Banner being permanently rid of the Hulk and his subsequent death at the hands of Hawkeye were immediately undone when [[Comicbook/DareDevil The Hand]] brought him back to life.
21st Sep '16 3:58:39 AM timotaka
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** ''Hulk: The End'': Bruce Banner is the last living human after two nuclear wars which wiped out everybody else on the planet. When the story picks up Banner has spent years (possibly ''decades'') wandering the radioactive wastelands, completely alone except for an alien recorder bot and the Hulk berating and raging at him inside his head. During that time Bruce has aged into an extremely old and frail man who thinks he may be over ''200 years old'' (and looks every day of it). He wants desperately to die, but the Hulk refuses to let that happen. Bruce even tries to kill himself by jumping off a cliff but it's the Hulk who lands. At one point Bruce is chased by a swarm of giant evolved cockroaches, which are too much even for the Hulk to handle all at once; they overwhelm him and ''eat most of his flesh and internal organs, including [[EyeScream both eyes]] and his tongue'', which Hulk [[GoodThingYouCanHeal of course regenerates]] (and this is said to happen ''regularly''). Bruce later has a heart attack and pleads with the Hulk to let them both go, but Hulk refuses and transforms as Bruce is on the point of death. The end of the story leaves the Hulk's fate in doubt but one awful possibility that suggests itself [[AndIMustScream that Bruce is buried deep within the Hulk's psyche]] and that if the Hulk chooses not to change back, that they are both still stuck together on the dead Earth. ''Forever''. The only difference being that Hulk can't hear Bruce inside his head anymore and as far as he knows, "Hulk is... only one... there is". God-''damn'', PeterDavid.

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** ''Hulk: The End'': Bruce Banner is the last living human after two nuclear wars which wiped out everybody else on the planet. When the story picks up Banner has spent years (possibly ''decades'') wandering the radioactive wastelands, completely alone except for an alien recorder bot and the Hulk berating and raging at him inside his head. During that time Bruce has aged into an extremely old and frail man who thinks he may be over ''200 years old'' (and looks every day of it). He wants desperately to die, but the Hulk refuses to let that happen. Bruce even tries to kill himself by jumping off a cliff but it's the Hulk who lands. At one point Bruce is chased by a swarm of giant evolved cockroaches, which are too much even for the Hulk to handle all at once; they overwhelm him and ''eat most of his flesh and internal organs, including [[EyeScream both eyes]] and his tongue'', which Hulk [[GoodThingYouCanHeal of course regenerates]] (and this is said to happen ''regularly''). Bruce later has a heart attack and pleads with the Hulk to let them both go, but Hulk refuses and transforms as Bruce is on the point of death. The end of the story leaves the Hulk's fate in doubt but one awful possibility that suggests itself [[AndIMustScream that Bruce is buried deep within the Hulk's psyche]] and that if the Hulk chooses not to change back, that they are both still stuck together on the dead Earth. ''Forever''. The only difference being that Hulk can't hear Bruce inside his head anymore and as far as he knows, "Hulk is... only one... there is". is. Hulk feels... cold." God-''damn'', PeterDavid.
21st Sep '16 3:31:55 AM timotaka
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* MoralEventHorizon: The Abomination almost murdering Betty Ross by giving her cancer.

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The Abomination almost murdering Betty Ross by giving her cancer.cancer.
** The Leader detonating a gamma bomb in the middle of a small town of five thousand people in an attempt to create more gamma-powered superhumans. This worked for about one in a thousand. The rest were ashes.
16th Aug '16 4:04:14 PM lalalei2001
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* MyRealDaddy: Peter David. Wrote the book for over ''12 years'' and pretty much shaped the mythos, cast, and central traits of the Hulk. Like Chris Claremont for the X-Men, nearly every run of the Hulk builds off what PAD started.

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* MyRealDaddy: Peter David. Wrote David wrote the book for over ''12 years'' and pretty much shaped the mythos, cast, and central traits of the Hulk. Like Chris Claremont for the X-Men, nearly every run of the Hulk builds off what PAD started.


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** One of Mister Hyde's creepiest appearances was in The Incredible Hulk #368, where he cornered Bruce Banner on a train, stabbed him, slammed him into a wall, and taunted him over their Jekyll and Hyde duality, explaining that he decided to kill the Hulk to prove he's superior, as there's no room for two Edward Hydes. Hyde eventually declares he's won, as while the Hulk cares for others, Hyde has no such weakness, and laughs as he falls off the train and down a cliff. The whole thing is made worse by the comic's use of shadows, giving the train scenes an eerie, nightmarish feel. Even Bruce admits that Hyde knew how to push his buttons.
15th Jul '16 2:39:22 AM Tyjohnson616
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Regarding Jim Wilson's death from AIDS, one letter regarding the issue felt that the subplot ultimately amounted to this, as right after Jim was revealed to have the disease he was injured and hospitalized thanks to the supervillain Speedfreak, and then wasn't even mentioned in over thirty issues (outside a cameo at Rick Jones' wedding) before finally [[BackForTheDead showing up again where his death occurred]]. As they stated, "It's not enough to ask us to feel for Jim Wilson because he had AIDS, especially when we could (and should) have felt for him because he was a three-dimensional character we had grown to love."

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Regarding TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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Jim Wilson's death from AIDS, one letter regarding the issue felt that the subplot ultimately amounted to this, as right after Jim was revealed to have the disease he was injured and hospitalized thanks to the supervillain Speedfreak, and then wasn't even mentioned in over thirty issues (outside a cameo at Rick Jones' wedding) before finally [[BackForTheDead showing up again where his death occurred]]. As they stated, "It's not enough to ask us to feel for Jim Wilson because he had AIDS, especially when we could (and should) have felt for him because he was a three-dimensional character we had grown to love.""
**[[spoiler: After establishing Amadeus as Hulk in 616, showing Banner accepting his new state of being Hulkless in issues 7 & 8 of Totally Awesome Hulk and potentially to make Bruce the ZenSurvivor mentor to Amadeus, he's promptly and brutally executed in CivilWarII .]]
8th Jul '16 8:15:02 PM Angeldeb82
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** Where does the Hulk's hatred of humans come from? Is it because he hates Banner, either for containing him or being weak, and sees humanity as an extension of him? Is it because of the mistreatment Banner suffered throughout his life? Is it just because he is different from them? Or is there [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Igor_Drenkov_%28Earth-616%29 a more specific reason stemming from his origin story?]] [[note]]Banner only became the Hulk because while attempting to rescue Rick Jones, he ordered his colleague to halt the countdown, but said colleague was a Soviet spy and tried to indirectly kill him with the bomb. Given that the Hulk regards the bomb as an attempt to kill him, and the cause for much of his misery, rather than his "creator", it would be understandable why he'd come to hate everyone involved in its creation, including Banner, and the incident that led to his emergence. [[/note]]

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** Where does the Hulk's hatred of humans come from? Is it because he hates Banner, either for containing him or being weak, and sees humanity as an extension of him? Is it because of the mistreatment Banner suffered throughout his life? Is it just because he is different from them? Or is there [[http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Igor_Drenkov_%28Earth-616%29 a more specific reason stemming from his origin story?]] story]]? [[note]]Banner only became the Hulk because while attempting to rescue Rick Jones, he ordered his colleague to halt the countdown, but said colleague was a Soviet spy and tried to indirectly kill him with the bomb. Given that the Hulk regards the bomb as an attempt to kill him, and the cause for much of his misery, rather than his "creator", it would be understandable why he'd come to hate everyone involved in its creation, including Banner, and the incident that led to his emergence. [[/note]]



** The ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' storyline proves that [[DiabolusExMachina neither the Hulk nor Banner are allowed to have a happy life.]] He's exiled all the way to another planet, where he manages to overthrow the corrupt government and become a hero and the new king, finally finding a place where he can belong. He even manages to find a wife, and has a child on the way. Then the shuttle that brought him to the planet explodes, killing her and destroying the entire city.

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** The ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' storyline proves that [[DiabolusExMachina neither the Hulk nor Banner are allowed to have a happy life.]] life]]. He's exiled all the way to another planet, where he manages to overthrow the corrupt government and become a hero and the new king, finally finding a place where he can belong. He even manages to find a wife, and has a child on the way. Then the shuttle that brought him to the planet explodes, killing her and destroying the entire city.
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