History YMMV / ImmortalIronFist

22nd Mar '17 5:55:51 AM JamesAustin
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* OlderThanTheyThink: Iron Fist was actually the second Marvel hero created to capitalize on the martial arts craze of the '70s. The first one, Shang-Chi, ''was'' authentically Asian and, ironically, his book ''Master of Kung Fu'' was much more popular (as he was basically an {{Expy}} of Creator/BruceLee starring in a licensed continuation of Sax Rohmer's ''Fu Manchu'' stories). ''Iron Fist'' struggled with cancellation until it was decided to pair Danny Rand with Luke Cage, at which point the two '70s fad characters exploded in popularity while Shang-Chi faded into relative obscurity.



* OlderThanTheyThink: Iron Fist was actually the second Marvel hero created to capitalize on the martial arts craze of the '70s. The first one, Shang-Chi, ''was'' authentically Asian and, ironically, his book ''Master of Kung Fu'' was much more popular (as he was basically an {{Expy}} of Creator/BruceLee starring in a licensed continuation of Sax Rohmer's ''Fu Manchu'' stories). ''Iron Fist'' struggled with cancellation until it was decided to pair Danny Rand with Luke Cage, at which point the two '70s fad characters exploded in popularity while Shang-Chi faded into relative obscurity.
22nd Mar '17 5:53:50 AM JamesAustin
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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, and a third group thinks choosing an Asian actor would then play to AllAsiansKnowMartialArts (ignoring that Danny undergoing a RaceLift to be of Asian descent would not play the stereotype straight, as the main criticism of the AllAsiansKnowMartialArts trope is how it's used to define Asian characters solely by their martial arts skill rather than personality and the [[TropesAreTools concept of the trope itself is not inherently bad on its own]]). Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/GameOfThrones) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more, as there had been a campaign beforehand for Marvel to cast an Asian or half-Asian actor.

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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, and a third group thinks choosing an Asian actor would then play to AllAsiansKnowMartialArts (ignoring that Danny undergoing a RaceLift to be of Asian descent would not play the stereotype straight, as the main criticism of the AllAsiansKnowMartialArts trope is how it's used to define Asian characters solely by their martial arts skill rather than personality and the [[TropesAreTools concept of the trope itself is not inherently bad on its own]]). Finn Jones Creator/FinnJones (Loras Tyrell from Series/GameOfThrones) ''Series/GameOfThrones'') being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more, as there had been a campaign beforehand for Marvel to cast an Asian or half-Asian actor.



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* OlderThanTheyThink: Iron Fist was actually the second Marvel hero created to capitalize on the martial arts craze of the '70s. The first one, Shang-Chi, ''was'' authentically Asian and, ironically, his book ''Master of Kung Fu'' was much more popular (as he was basically an {{Expy}} of Creator/BruceLee starring in a licensed continuation of Sax Rohmer's ''Fu Manchu'' stories). ''Iron Fist'' struggled with cancellation until it was decided to pair Danny Rand with Luke Cage, at which point the two '70s fad characters exploded in popularity while Shang-Chi faded into relative obscurity.
1st Mar '17 7:49:06 PM MeekGazelle
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The Living Weapon series has been having this effect on some readers.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The Living Weapon series by Kaare Andrews has been having this effect on some readers.
13th Dec '16 5:58:57 AM dsneybuf
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* UnfortunateImplications: Iron Fist's origin hasn't aged well. As noted [[http://thenerdsofcolor.org/2014/03/11/marvel-please-cast-an-asian-american-iron-fist/ here]], Danny's origin plays the very old and very DiscreditedTrope of MightyWhitey incredibly straight, and does raise issue for his upcoming Netflix show.

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* UnfortunateImplications: Iron Fist's origin hasn't aged well. As noted [[http://thenerdsofcolor.org/2014/03/11/marvel-please-cast-an-asian-american-iron-fist/ here]], Danny's origin plays the very old and very DiscreditedTrope of MightyWhitey incredibly straight, and does raise issue for his upcoming Netflix show.
20th Mar '16 8:24:15 AM ASplashingKoi
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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, and a third group thinks choosing an Asian actor would then play to AllAsiansKnowMartialArts (ignoring that Danny undergoing a RaceLift to be of Asian descent would not play the stereotype straight, as the main criticism of the AllAsiansKnowMartialArts trope is how it's used to define Asian characters solely by their martial arts skill rather than personality and the [[TropesAreTools concept of the trope itself is not inherently bad on its own). Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/GameOfThrones) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more, as there had been a campaign beforehand for Marvel to cast an Asian or half-Asian actor.

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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, and a third group thinks choosing an Asian actor would then play to AllAsiansKnowMartialArts (ignoring that Danny undergoing a RaceLift to be of Asian descent would not play the stereotype straight, as the main criticism of the AllAsiansKnowMartialArts trope is how it's used to define Asian characters solely by their martial arts skill rather than personality and the [[TropesAreTools concept of the trope itself is not inherently bad on its own).own]]). Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/GameOfThrones) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more, as there had been a campaign beforehand for Marvel to cast an Asian or half-Asian actor.
20th Mar '16 8:23:58 AM ASplashingKoi
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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he technically plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, and a third group points out that choosing an Asian actor would then play to AllAsiansKnowMartialArts. Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/GameOfThrones) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more.

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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he technically plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, and a third group points out that thinks choosing an Asian actor would then play to AllAsiansKnowMartialArts. AllAsiansKnowMartialArts (ignoring that Danny undergoing a RaceLift to be of Asian descent would not play the stereotype straight, as the main criticism of the AllAsiansKnowMartialArts trope is how it's used to define Asian characters solely by their martial arts skill rather than personality and the [[TropesAreTools concept of the trope itself is not inherently bad on its own). Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/GameOfThrones) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more.more, as there had been a campaign beforehand for Marvel to cast an Asian or half-Asian actor.
26th Feb '16 11:28:46 AM TheNerevarine
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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he technically plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, and a third group points out that choosing an Asian actor would then play to AllAsiansKnowMartialArts. Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/{{GameOfThrones}}) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more.

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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he technically plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, and a third group points out that choosing an Asian actor would then play to AllAsiansKnowMartialArts. Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/{{GameOfThrones}}) Series/GameOfThrones) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more.
26th Feb '16 9:52:54 AM Klaudandus
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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he technically plays the MightyWhitey trope straight. Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/{{GameOfThrones}}) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more.

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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he technically plays the MightyWhitey trope straight.straight, and a third group points out that choosing an Asian actor would then play to AllAsiansKnowMartialArts. Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/{{GameOfThrones}}) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more.
25th Feb '16 1:52:10 PM Yoonique
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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he technically plays the MightyWhitey trope straight.

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* BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. Some think it doesn't matter in the slightest, while others are upset that he technically plays the MightyWhitey trope straight. Finn Jones (Loras Tyrell from Series/{{GameOfThrones}}) being confirmed to have been cast as Danny only fueled the debate even more.
13th Dec '15 3:07:02 PM Eagal
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* BrokenBase:
** Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. As noted bellow, Danny as he is in the comics plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, which is considered offensive to many. However, the obvious solution to give him a RaceLift and make him Asian-American has its own issues with playing into Asian stereotypes, which some feel would be just as bad.

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BrokenBase: Danny's race has been a hot-topic for some time, particularly in the idea of adapting the comics into a show, as Marvel are currently doing. As noted bellow, Danny as he is Some think it doesn't matter in the comics slightest, while others are upset that he technically plays the MightyWhitey trope straight, which is considered offensive to many. However, the obvious solution to give him a RaceLift and make him Asian-American has its own issues with playing into Asian stereotypes, which some feel would be just as bad.straight.
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