History YMMV / HeroesReborn

* AudienceAlienatingEra: Widely considered to be one, but between it, ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'', and ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'', they undid a lot of the damage the ''Comicbook/TheCrossing'' did (teen Tony, adult Tony being evil and dead, mutated Wasp). Still, the executive side of the comic book is one thing, the actual plots and arts are another. In themselves, the issues by Rob Liefeld are even ''worse'' than The Crossing, and perhaps the worst material in all the history of the Avengers.
* CriticProof: Critics and fans reject it, but it had good sales. Good sales as to ''save Marvel Comics from bankruptcy''.

* DorkAge: Widely considered to be one, but between it, ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'', and ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'', they undid a lot of the damage the ''Comicbook/TheCrossing'' did (teen Tony, adult Tony being evil and dead, mutated Wasp). Still, the executive side of the comic book is one thing, the actual plots and arts are another. In themselves, the issues by Rob Liefeld are even ''worse'' than The Crossing, and perhaps the worst material in all the history of the Avengers.

* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** ''Heroes Reborn: The Return'', the miniseries that hauled everyone back to Earth-616 once it was clear that ''Heroes Reborn'' was a failure. Before then, the second halves of the ''ComicBook/HeroesRebornCaptainAmerica'' and ''Comicbook/HeroesRebornTheAvengers'' titles, both heavily {{Retool}}ed after Liefeld rejected Marvel's new contract terms and Wildstorm took over production.
** {{Berserker}} Thor not being the real Thor.

* TheWoobie: The Swordsman. He charges against Loki... and he tosses him away as if he were nothing. He charges against Kang... and he tosses him away as if he were nothing. He charges against Hulk... [[BrokeYourArmPunchingOutCthulhu and goes to the hospital with massive injuries]]. Then Loki turns him into energy, and absorbs him. End of story. Really, why did they bother to put him there to begin with? Just because a guy with a sword could be made to look like an anime character?
** It got worse for him after the Avengers and the Fantastic Four left Counter-Earth. Much worse. After getting cancer, founding a new superhero team and becoming Counter-Earth's Deadpool, he discovered the truth of his origins. It drove him completely and homicidally insane. He stole a Helicarrier and nuked Uatu's home in the moon in a failed attempt to destroy Counter-Earth that instead sent him into the main Marvel universe. He ultimately met his end at the hands of the original Deadpool and Pandapool.

* DorkAge: Widely considered to be one, but between it, ''Comicbook/HeroesReturn'', and ''Comicbook/AvengersForever'', they undid a lot of the damage the ''Comicbook/TheCrossing'' did (teen Tony, adult Tony being evil, mutated Wasp). Still, the executive side of the comic book is one thing, the actual plots and arts are another. In themselves, the issues by Rob Liefeld are even ''worse'' than The Crossing, and perhaps the worst material in all the history of the Avengers.

* TheWoobie: The Swordsman. He charges against Loki... and he tosses him away as if he were nothing. He charges against Kang... and he tosses him away as if he were nothing. He charges against Hulk... [[BrokeYourArmPunchingOutCthulhu and goes to the hospital with massive injuries]]. Then Loki turns him into energy, and absorbs him. End of story. Really, why did they bother to put him there to begin with? Just because a guy with a sword could be made to look like an anime character?

** ''Heroes Reborn: The Return'', the miniseries that hauled everyone back to Earth-616 once it was clear that ''Heroes Reborn'' was a failure. Before then, the second halves of the ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'' and ''Comicbook/TheAvengers'' titles, both heavily {{Retool}}ed after Liefeld rejected Marvel's new contract terms and Wildstorm took over production.

* HarsherInHindsight: A Sons of the Serpents-controlled LMD of Nick Fury told a series of lies to Steve and UsefulNotes/BillClinton that said Steve objected to the UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki and was put in cryostatis because of it and then thawed out to serve in UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar and UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar before being put back on ice after the brainwashing would buckle. These lies became this because of both ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaWinterSoldier'' (where it was revealed that Bucky Barnes was not only alive, but would frequently put in cryostatis, then thawed out by the Soviet Union to carry out hits for them) and the controversial "Ice" (which attempted to retcon that Steve in the main Marvel Universe really was put on ice by the government, with falsified memories of an encounter with Heinrich Zemo, for objecting to the use of the atomic bombs).

* GrowingTheBeard: Liefeld quit after issue 7. Walt Simonson then took over the ''Avengers'' title, penning five very well-received issues. ''Captain America'' saw similar improvements.

* {{HSQ}}: The Galactus storyline was crammed with these. The first issue literally ended with the destruction of the earth, the third issue ''began'' with the the death of the ComicBook/FantasticFour.

** The first post-Liefeld ''Captain America'' issue mildly retconned Cap's backstory to reveal that the United States tried defrosting him during both UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar and UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, only to put him back under when their mental conditioning started to buckle (though by the end, this itself was revealed as a lie). Years later, the revelation that the Winter Soldier, formerly Earth-616 Captain America's sidekick ComicBook/BuckyBarnes, was kept in hibernation by the Soviets until needed made this twist horrifyingly familiar. That said, as noted above, in ''HR''!Steve's case, this was revealed to be lies.

** The first post-Liefeld ''Captain America'' issue mildly retconned Cap's backstory to reveal that the United States tried defrosting him during both UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar and UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, only to put him back under when their mental conditioning started to buckle. Years later, the revelation that the Winter Soldier, formerly Earth-616 Captain America's sidekick ComicBook/BuckyBarnes, was kept in hibernation by the Soviets until needed made this twist horrifyingly familiar. That said, as noted above, in ''HR''!Steve's case, this was revealed to be lies.

* HarsherInHindsight: A Sons of the Serpents-controlled LMD of Nick Fury told a series of lies to Steve and UsefulNotes/BillClinton that said Steve objected to the UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki and was put in cryostatis because of it and then thawed out to serve in UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar and UsefulNots/TheVietnamWar before being put back on ice after the brainwashing would buckle. These lies became this because of both ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaWinterSoldier'' (where it was revealed that Bucky Barnes was not only alive, but would frequently put in cryostatis, then thawed out by the Soviet Union to carry out hits for them) and the controversial "Ice" (which attempted to retcon that Steve in the main Marvel Universe really was put on ice by the government, with falsified memories of an encounter with Heinrich Zemo, for objecting to the use of the atomic bombs).

** HarsherInHindsight: The first post-Liefeld ''Captain America'' issue mildly retconned Cap's backstory to reveal that the United States tried defrosting him during both UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar and UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar, only to put him back under when their mental conditioning started to buckle. Years later, the revelation that the Winter Soldier, formerly Earth-616 Captain America's sidekick ComicBook/BuckyBarnes, was kept in hibernation by the Soviets until needed made this twist horrifyingly familiar.

* HarsherInHindsight: A Sons of the Serpents-controlled LMD of Nick Fury told a series of lies to Steve and UsefulNotes/BillClinton that said Steve objected to the UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki and was put in cryostatis because of it and then thawed out to serve in UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar and UsefulNots/TheVietnamWar before being put back on ice after the brainwashing would buckle. This became this because of both ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaWinterSoldier'' (where it was revealed that Bucky was frequently put in cryostatis and then thawed out by the Soviet Union to carry out hits for them) and the controversial "Ice" (which attempted to retcon that Steve in the main Marvel Universe really was put on ice by the government, with falsified memories of an encounter with Heinrich Zemo, for objecting to the use of the atomic bombs).

* HarsherInHindsight: A Sons of the Serpents-controlled LMD of Nick Fury, told a series of lies to Steve and UsefulNotes/BillClinton that said Steve objected to the UsefulNotes/AtomicBombingsOfHiroshimaAndNagasaki and was put in cryostatis because of it and then thawed out to serve in UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar and UsefulNots/TheVietnamWar before being put back on ice after the brainwashing would buckle. This became this because of both ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaWinterSoldier'' (where it was revealed that Bucky was frequently put in cryostatis and then thawed out by the Soviet Union to carry out hits for them) and the controversial "Ice" (which attempted to retcon that Steve in the main Marvel Universe really was put on ice by the government, with falsified memories of an encounter with Heinrich Zemo, for objecting to the use of the atomic bombs).