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* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: Rather than develop Niki's character they give her an identical twin and then revealed there was a third identical triplet
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* SelfishEvil: Anything he does is for his own gain.
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* SelfishEvil: Anything he does is for his own gain. He also doesn't care about the special round up or the plot to blow up New York, it's when he discovers that his issues are being used for the so-called "greater good" that he really gets pissed off.
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* BoringInvincibleVillain: Arthur Petrelli, after stealing Peter's powers (made even worse by the fact he barely ever used them, effectively becoming the boring invincible villain [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything who never did anything]]).
* InvincibleVillain: Arthur Petrelli, after stealing Peter's powers (made even worse by the fact he barely ever used them, effectively becoming the invincible villain [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything who never did anything]]).
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** Not a chance. [[BoringInvincibleVillain [[InvincibleVillain Arthur]] [[OrcusOnHisThrone Petrelli]] is ''definitely'' the show's {{Scrappy}} villain, as boring as Samuel's plotline got.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: West and Claire in Volume 2.
** The conflict of Volume 5, whatever it is, had better be only resolvable by seeing sound as colors or I'm gonna be seriously pissed.
** The conflict of Volume 5, whatever it is, had better be only resolvable by seeing sound as colors or I'm gonna be seriously pissed.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: West and Claire in Volume 2.
** The conflict of Volume 5, whatever it is, had better be only resolvable by seeing sound as colors or I'm gonna be seriously pissed.2
** The conflict of Volume 5, whatever it is, had better be only resolvable by seeing sound as colors or I'm gonna be seriously pissed.
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* {{High Octane Nightmare Fuel}}: How Hiro [[BurriedAlive dealt with]] [[AndIMustScream Adam Monroe]].
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* {{High Octane Nightmare Fuel}}: How Hiro [[BurriedAlive [[BuriedAlive dealt with]] [[AndIMustScream Adam Monroe]]. Monroe]].
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* BrokenBase: The Nathan and Sylar fans exited in droves and were baying for blood after the volume 4 finale. Those who weren't hopelessly confused, that is. And really, anything related to Sylar has this effect. That's because he's TheWesley to half the fanbase and the [[DracoInLeatherPants best thing on the show]] [[BaseBreaker to the other half.]]
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* BrokenBase: The Nathan and Sylar fans exited in droves and were baying for blood after the volume 4 finale. Those who weren't hopelessly confused, that is. And really, anything related to Sylar has this effect. That's because he's TheWesley a CreatorsPet to half the fanbase and the [[DracoInLeatherPants best thing on the show]] [[BaseBreaker to the other half.]]
* CreatorsPet - Maya by Volume Three
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* CharacterAlignment - NeutralEvil -> ChaoticEvil (usually a Type 4) -> {{Stupid Evil}}/NeutralEvil -> ChaoticNeutral -> LawfulEvil -> NeutralGood - He's all over the board thanks to the fact that he's a HeelFaceRevolvingDoor.
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* {{High Octane Nightmare Fuel}}: How Hiro [[BurriedAlive dealt with]] [[AndIMustScream Adam Monroe]].
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* CharacterAlignment - NeutralEvil -> ChaoticEvil (usually a Type 4) -> {{Stupid Evil}}/NeutralEvil -> ChaoticNeutral -> LawfulEvil -> NeutralGood - He's all over the board thanks to the fact that he's a HeelFaceRevolvingDoor.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Claude, Ando, even Mr. Muggles has a fanbase. In the first half of the first Volume, Hiro was like this too - then the producers listened and [[BreakoutCharacter gave him an increasingly larger role]]. Minor characters from the Graphic Novels such as Linda Tavara (Who only had three appearances, total) have sizeable fanbases. The most extreme example is Sparrow Redhouse who, despite only appearing in 3 panels until recently, was a character many wanted to see on the show
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Claude, Ando, Elle, even Mr. Muggles has a fanbase. In the first half of the first Volume, Hiro was like this too - then the producers listened and [[BreakoutCharacter gave him an increasingly larger role]]. Minor characters from the Graphic Novels such as Linda Tavara (Who only had three appearances, total) have sizeable fanbases. The most extreme example is Sparrow Redhouse who, despite only appearing in 3 panels until recently, was a character many wanted to see on the show
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* WhatAnIdiot: Eden. Did it not occur to her that if she could use her power on Sylar, he could use his powers, too?
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* TheWoobie: Multiple characters get this treatment notably Hiro, Peter, Adam, Elle, and Sylar.
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* TheWoobie: Multiple characters get this treatment notably Hiro, Peter, Adam, Elle, Noah and Sylar.
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** Poor Noah ;_;
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Hiro Nakamura
* MoralEventHorizon: In Volume Five, he wants to keep Mohinder out of the way for a few weeks, until he has rescued Charlie. Does he simply transport Mohinder into the future, after the events he wants to affect are over? No. Does he put him a safe distance into the past? No. Does he tie him up in a warehouse? Not even that. He [[GoAmongMadPeople has the poor bastard committed to an insane asylum]], where he is kept in a straitjacket and on antipsychotic drugs 24 hours a day for at least a couple of weeks.
* MoralEventHorizon: In Volume Five, he wants to keep Mohinder out of the way for a few weeks, until he has rescued Charlie. Does he simply transport Mohinder into the future, after the events he wants to affect are over? No. Does he put him a safe distance into the past? No. Does he tie him up in a warehouse? Not even that. He [[GoAmongMadPeople has the poor bastard committed to an insane asylum]], where he is kept in a straitjacket and on antipsychotic drugs 24 hours a day for at least a couple of weeks.
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* MoralEventHorizon: In Volume Five, he tries to use [[ColdBloodedTorture a nailgun]] to force Sylar into essentially committing suicide and turning over his body to "Nathan"...even though "Nathan" has made it abundantly clear that he's accepted his death and is ready to let go.
* MoralEventHorizon: In Volume Five, he tries to use [[ColdBloodedTorture a nailgun]] to force Sylar into essentially committing suicide and turning over his body to "Nathan"...even though "Nathan" has made it abundantly clear that he's accepted his death and is ready to let go.
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* MemeticBadass - [[XanatosRoulette The entire series so far is]] [[DeathNote Exactly As Planned]] by Mr. Muggles.
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* MemeticBadass - [[XanatosRoulette The entire series so far is]] [[DeathNote Exactly As Planned]] by Mr. Muggles.
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** The Finale of the show had [[spoiler: the Evolved Humans be outed by Claire on National Television. Claire, you've seen several dark futures and seen what people do when they find out of about your abilities... what made you think this is going to end WELL?]]
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** The Finale of the show had [[spoiler: the Evolved Humans be outed by Claire on National Television. Claire, you've seen several dark futures and seen what people do when they find out of out about your abilities... what made you think this is going to end WELL?]] WELL?]]
*** In fairness, [[spoiler: present-day Claire doesn't know about these dark futures as she's never travelled through time to the future[[hottip:*:though she has been to the past]], nor does she have any Isaac Mendez-type foreseeing ability.]]
*** In fairness, [[spoiler: present-day Claire doesn't know about these dark futures as she's never travelled through time to the future[[hottip:*:though she has been to the past]], nor does she have any Isaac Mendez-type foreseeing ability.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: The way they depicted Sylar's mother as both a Roman Catholic and a deeply disturbed woman who was perfectly willing to kill even her own son due to his powers and viewing him as a demon really wasn't a good depiction of Christians, period.
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Missed Moment Of Awesome is now Offscreen Moment Of Awesome and since it\'s actually used correctly here it can go on the main page. Hurrray!
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* MissedMomentOfAwesome: Future Peter vs Future Sylar... Offscreen.
** [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4860110/10/Heroes_Abridged_With_Commentary_Genesis Heroes Abridged]] had fun with this:
--->Future Mohinder: OH WOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY POWERS USED IN ONE BATTLE, IT'S WAY BETTER THAN ALL THE FIGHT SCENES IN THE X-MEN MOVIES COMBINED!
** [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4860110/10/Heroes_Abridged_With_Commentary_Genesis Heroes Abridged]] had fun with this:
--->Future Mohinder: OH WOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY POWERS USED IN ONE BATTLE, IT'S WAY BETTER THAN ALL THE FIGHT SCENES IN THE X-MEN MOVIES COMBINED!
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*** AmbiguousSituation / JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope : Does he want power for power's sake, or recognition for his 'potential' that he never got from his brother or his first love?
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*** And that ended up shooting them in the foot once [[spoiler: Sylar made a solid HeelFaceTurn]].
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An utter mess that barely makes any sense. What the fuck has being immune to a black hole got to do with anything? Is that just a stupid metaphor?
* EvilIsSexy: Possible explanation for why occasionally-repentant Sylar is a major fan favorite. Plus, he goes [[FanService shirtless]] and gets nookie with [[VeronicaMars Elle]]. [[GoodPeopleHaveGoodSex Evil sex]]!
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** Arthur Petrelli, after stealing Peter's powers (made even worse by the fact he barely ever used them, effectively becoming the GenericDoomsdayVillain [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything who never did anything]]).
** Sylar, made much worse because he has JokerImmunity to the power of ten.
** Arthur Petrelli, after stealing Peter's powers (made even worse by the fact he barely ever used them, effectively becoming the GenericDoomsdayVillain [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything who never did anything]]).
** Sylar, made much worse because he has JokerImmunity to the power of ten.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Subverted with Sylar since, despite all of what he has done, [[NighInvulnerability he's apparently immune to the gravitational fields of a black hole.]]
** A massive wall banger this one, Sylar gleefully leapt over the horizon fairly shortly after his first appearance, yet they keep trying to redeem him, then he leaps over the horizon again, then they try and redeem him again.
** A massive wall banger this one, Sylar gleefully leapt over the horizon fairly shortly after his first appearance, yet they keep trying to redeem him, then he leaps over the horizon again, then they try and redeem him again.
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** A massive wall banger this one, Sylar gleefully leapt over the horizon fairly shortly after his first appearance, yet they keep trying to redeem him, then he leaps over the horizon again, then they try and redeem him again.MoralEventHorizon:
** A massive wall banger this one, Sylar gleefully leapt over the horizon fairly shortly after his first appearance, yet they keep trying to redeem him, then he leaps over the horizon again, then they try and redeem him again.
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* FetishFuel: Has [[FetishFuel/{{Heroes}} its own page]]. Lampshaded in Volume 5. Claire and Gretchen are kidnapped as part of a sorority hazing and stuffed into a car trunk:
--> Gretchen: "Here we are, tied up in the dark"
--> Claire: "There are entire websites devoted to this."
--> Gretchen: "Here we are, tied up in the dark"
--> Claire: "There are entire websites devoted to this."
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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Adam.
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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Adam.Adam.
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!! Assorted character [=YMMVs=]
Nathan Petrelli
* MagnificentBastard: Most impressive in Season 1. He certainly tries in Volume 3 & 4, but it almost gets him killed. Repeatedly.
Claire Bennt
* IronWoobie - Aided in no small part by her powers, Claire never gave up despite all the pain and suffering the world heaped on her.
* {{Wangst}} - Boy, she was bad about this for a long time during Volume one.
Noah Bennet
* EnsembleDarkhorse - See AscendedExtra above.
* MagnificentBastard
* TheWoobie
Michah Sanders
* ToyShip
Matt Parkman
* HoYay: With Mohinder
Mohinder Suresh
* MoralEventHorizon - To paraphrase Zach "Sylar" Quinto, it's hard to turn back once you actually start ''eating'' people... although it turns out they're still alive, and he was just... we don't even know.
* YouFailBiologyForever - Yeah, yeah we know this is a series with people who fly and people who talk to machines. But every time Mohinder opens his mouth, you can hear Tim Kring's high school science teacher weeping quietly.
Sylar
* CompleteMonster - After an [[HeelFaceTurn attempt at rehabilitation]] this guy seems to be doing getting worse. Such as [[spoiler: siding against his own kind [[PsychoForHire Danko]], killing Nathan Petrelli and then deciding to basically MindRape Matt Parkman]]. Seriously is there anyway this guy could get worse.
* DracoInLeatherPants - Cause EvilIsCool and EvilIsSexy.
* EvilIsCool
* EvilIsSexy
* FoeYay - [[YourMilageMayVary Depending on who you ask]] with Mohinder, Peter, Bennet, Danko, or ''Claire!'' Elle counts as canon foeyay.
* HoYay - with Peter, see also FoeYay.
** Sure, Peter. But so much more with Mohinder.
* JerkassWoobie
* MagnificentBastard
* MemeticMolester - Whether they want to or not, Sylar has sexual tension with everyone. ''Everyone''.
* MotiveDecay
* VillainSue: Became an unstoppable, unflappable and unbeatable writer's pet around the time of Season 2. This becomes annoyingly {{egregious}} around Seasons 4 and ''especially'' 5.
** To be fair to the writers, he only turned out as such because fans loved him so much that they preserved him long after he was needed or wanted.
Daniel Linderman
* MagnificentBastard
Elle Bishop
* FoeYay: With Claire
* JerkassWoobie
Adam Munroe
* FoeYay - with Hiro or Peter.
* MagnificentBastard
* VillainDecay - In the space of one and a half episodes, he's bumped down from Ancient Evil BigBad back to comic relief to KilledOffForReal by the EvilerThanThou new BigBad.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds - The way he wanted to save the world by purging mankind was fueled by his heartbreak over Yaeko.
Angela Petrelli
* MagnificentBastard - The shellfish-smacking scene where Danko is questioning her and [[BlatantLies she's totally shitting him.]]
* MoralEventHorizon - [[spoiler:Feeding an innocent woman to Sylar just so to get on his good side.]]
Arthur Petrelli
* BetterThanCanon - In a less outward way because he explicitly shipped Elle/Sylar by locking them in a room together where she could torture him to his pleasure. Then grounds Peter so that he needs to stop playing with the IdiotBall, takes the resident MadScientist and gives him other people to experiement on... gave to good reason to get rid of Maya and her anthrax tears. He's not really that bad a guy, though YourMileageMayVary.
* BoringInvincibleVillain: Arthur Petrelli, after stealing Peter's powers (made even worse by the fact he barely ever used them, effectively becoming the boring invincible villain [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything who never did anything]]).
* CompleteMonster
* MemeticMolester
* ReplacementScrappy - for Adam Monroe
* VillainSue
Eric Doyle
* MemeticMolester - only... it's canon.
Emile Danko
* CompleteMonster - Denied a prisoner (Daphne) medical treatment for no good reason, leading to her slow lingering death. Wants to kill all evolved humans because they creep him out. [[PerpetualFrowner And he's not even having much fun doing it, either.]] Hell, he even had an unarmed child (Micah) killed in cold blood. [[SuicidalGotcha Or at least thought he did]].
Samuel Sullivan
* CrazyAwesome
* TheScrappy: Perhaps the least liked villan on the show. Has the highest ratio of episodes/lack of intrest
** Not a chance. [[BoringInvincibleVillain Arthur]] [[OrcusOnHisThrone Petrelli]] is ''definitely'' the show's {{Scrappy}} villain, as boring as Samuel's plotline got.
Ando Masashi
* EnsembleDarkhorse
Molly Walker
* ToyShip (with Micah)
Alejandro and Maya Herrera
* AlasPoorScrappy - Alejandro
* DamselScrappy - Maya
* TheScrappy
* TheWesley - Maya by Volume Three
Claude Rains
* EnsembleDarkhorse
Hana Gitelman
* EnsembleDarkhorse - seen in only a couple of scenes on the show but has a couple of storylines in the Graphic Novels.
Daphne Millbrook
* StrangledByTheRedString - And ''how''. Even she realizes it! [[spoiler:and then she dies.]]
Sparrow Redhouse
* EnsembleDarkHorse: Before she became a major part of the Graphic Novels Rebel story arc she'd only had one brief appearance yet she was still a character fans wanted to see more of.
Rachel Mills
* Main/EnsembleDarkhorse
Emma Coolidge
* EnsembleDarkhorse: The fans ''love'' her.
* ShipTease: With Peter.
Bob Bishop
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:We learn he subjected Elle, ''his own daughter'', to so much ElectricTorture she snapped and went AxeCrazy. When she was ''seven years old''.]]
Tracy Strauss
* MagnificentBastard
Samson Gray
* AlasPoorVillain
Knox
* UnfortunateImplications - His power is that he's a ScaryBlackMan who gets stronger proportionally to his scariness. They already had the SuperStrength power on the show, they just added the "fear" aspect for him.
Stephen Canfield
* TheWoobie
Edgar
* IronWoobie: See above.
Mr Muggles
* MemeticBadass - [[XanatosRoulette The entire series so far is]] [[DeathNote Exactly As Planned]] by Mr. Muggles.
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Nathan Petrelli
* MagnificentBastard: Most impressive in Season 1. He certainly tries in Volume 3 & 4, but it almost gets him killed. Repeatedly.
Claire Bennt
* IronWoobie - Aided in no small part by her powers, Claire never gave up despite all the pain and suffering the world heaped on her.
* {{Wangst}} - Boy, she was bad about this for a long time during Volume one.
Noah Bennet
* EnsembleDarkhorse - See AscendedExtra above.
* MagnificentBastard
* TheWoobie
Michah Sanders
* ToyShip
Matt Parkman
* HoYay: With Mohinder
Mohinder Suresh
* MoralEventHorizon - To paraphrase Zach "Sylar" Quinto, it's hard to turn back once you actually start ''eating'' people... although it turns out they're still alive, and he was just... we don't even know.
* YouFailBiologyForever - Yeah, yeah we know this is a series with people who fly and people who talk to machines. But every time Mohinder opens his mouth, you can hear Tim Kring's high school science teacher weeping quietly.
Sylar
* CompleteMonster - After an [[HeelFaceTurn attempt at rehabilitation]] this guy seems to be doing getting worse. Such as [[spoiler: siding against his own kind [[PsychoForHire Danko]], killing Nathan Petrelli and then deciding to basically MindRape Matt Parkman]]. Seriously is there anyway this guy could get worse.
* DracoInLeatherPants - Cause EvilIsCool and EvilIsSexy.
* EvilIsCool
* EvilIsSexy
* FoeYay - [[YourMilageMayVary Depending on who you ask]] with Mohinder, Peter, Bennet, Danko, or ''Claire!'' Elle counts as canon foeyay.
* HoYay - with Peter, see also FoeYay.
** Sure, Peter. But so much more with Mohinder.
* JerkassWoobie
* MagnificentBastard
* MemeticMolester - Whether they want to or not, Sylar has sexual tension with everyone. ''Everyone''.
* MotiveDecay
* VillainSue: Became an unstoppable, unflappable and unbeatable writer's pet around the time of Season 2. This becomes annoyingly {{egregious}} around Seasons 4 and ''especially'' 5.
** To be fair to the writers, he only turned out as such because fans loved him so much that they preserved him long after he was needed or wanted.
Daniel Linderman
* MagnificentBastard
Elle Bishop
* FoeYay: With Claire
* JerkassWoobie
Adam Munroe
* FoeYay - with Hiro or Peter.
* MagnificentBastard
* VillainDecay - In the space of one and a half episodes, he's bumped down from Ancient Evil BigBad back to comic relief to KilledOffForReal by the EvilerThanThou new BigBad.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds - The way he wanted to save the world by purging mankind was fueled by his heartbreak over Yaeko.
Angela Petrelli
* MagnificentBastard - The shellfish-smacking scene where Danko is questioning her and [[BlatantLies she's totally shitting him.]]
* MoralEventHorizon - [[spoiler:Feeding an innocent woman to Sylar just so to get on his good side.]]
Arthur Petrelli
* BetterThanCanon - In a less outward way because he explicitly shipped Elle/Sylar by locking them in a room together where she could torture him to his pleasure. Then grounds Peter so that he needs to stop playing with the IdiotBall, takes the resident MadScientist and gives him other people to experiement on... gave to good reason to get rid of Maya and her anthrax tears. He's not really that bad a guy, though YourMileageMayVary.
* BoringInvincibleVillain: Arthur Petrelli, after stealing Peter's powers (made even worse by the fact he barely ever used them, effectively becoming the boring invincible villain [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything who never did anything]]).
* CompleteMonster
* MemeticMolester
* ReplacementScrappy - for Adam Monroe
* VillainSue
Eric Doyle
* MemeticMolester - only... it's canon.
Emile Danko
* CompleteMonster - Denied a prisoner (Daphne) medical treatment for no good reason, leading to her slow lingering death. Wants to kill all evolved humans because they creep him out. [[PerpetualFrowner And he's not even having much fun doing it, either.]] Hell, he even had an unarmed child (Micah) killed in cold blood. [[SuicidalGotcha Or at least thought he did]].
Samuel Sullivan
* CrazyAwesome
* TheScrappy: Perhaps the least liked villan on the show. Has the highest ratio of episodes/lack of intrest
** Not a chance. [[BoringInvincibleVillain Arthur]] [[OrcusOnHisThrone Petrelli]] is ''definitely'' the show's {{Scrappy}} villain, as boring as Samuel's plotline got.
Ando Masashi
* EnsembleDarkhorse
Molly Walker
* ToyShip (with Micah)
Alejandro and Maya Herrera
* AlasPoorScrappy - Alejandro
* DamselScrappy - Maya
* TheScrappy
* TheWesley - Maya by Volume Three
Claude Rains
* EnsembleDarkhorse
Hana Gitelman
* EnsembleDarkhorse - seen in only a couple of scenes on the show but has a couple of storylines in the Graphic Novels.
Daphne Millbrook
* StrangledByTheRedString - And ''how''. Even she realizes it! [[spoiler:and then she dies.]]
Sparrow Redhouse
* EnsembleDarkHorse: Before she became a major part of the Graphic Novels Rebel story arc she'd only had one brief appearance yet she was still a character fans wanted to see more of.
Rachel Mills
* Main/EnsembleDarkhorse
Emma Coolidge
* EnsembleDarkhorse: The fans ''love'' her.
* ShipTease: With Peter.
Bob Bishop
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:We learn he subjected Elle, ''his own daughter'', to so much ElectricTorture she snapped and went AxeCrazy. When she was ''seven years old''.]]
Tracy Strauss
* MagnificentBastard
Samson Gray
* AlasPoorVillain
Knox
* UnfortunateImplications - His power is that he's a ScaryBlackMan who gets stronger proportionally to his scariness. They already had the SuperStrength power on the show, they just added the "fear" aspect for him.
Stephen Canfield
* TheWoobie
Edgar
* IronWoobie: See above.
Mr Muggles
* MemeticBadass - [[XanatosRoulette The entire series so far is]] [[DeathNote Exactly As Planned]] by Mr. Muggles.
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** Given his apparent (and as-yet-unclear) XanatosGambit, Samuel Sullivan could well be a contender for this trope.
*** Oh, he is definitely one. If he wasn't one before, he became one the moment he [[spoiler: pretended that he was about to surrender to Noah to atone for his crimes, only to have his flunky open fire from the shadows, wounding Samuel and killing at least one member of the Carnival (who had been about to turn on Samuel), leading everyone to believe that Noah had tried to kill Samuel even when he was prepared to surrender... and therefore making them a lot more willing to forget their doubts about Samuel and go along with his anti-Muggle agenda.]] Now, if that ain't Magnificent Bastardy, I don't know what is.
*** Oh, he is definitely one. If he wasn't one before, he became one the moment he [[spoiler: pretended that he was about to surrender to Noah to atone for his crimes, only to have his flunky open fire from the shadows, wounding Samuel and killing at least one member of the Carnival (who had been about to turn on Samuel), leading everyone to believe that Noah had tried to kill Samuel even when he was prepared to surrender... and therefore making them a lot more willing to forget their doubts about Samuel and go along with his anti-Muggle agenda.]] Now, if that ain't Magnificent Bastardy, I don't know what is.
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** Given his apparent (and as-yet-unclear) XanatosGambit, Samuel Sullivan could well be a contender for this trope.
*** Oh, heis definitely one. If he wasn't one before, he became one the moment he [[spoiler: pretended that he was about to surrender to Noah to atone for his crimes, only to have his flunky open fire from the shadows, wounding Samuel and killing at least one member of the Carnival (who had been about to turn on Samuel), leading everyone to believe that Noah had tried to kill Samuel even when he was prepared to surrender... and therefore making them a lot more willing to forget their doubts about Samuel and go along with his anti-Muggle agenda.]] Now, if that ain't Magnificent Bastardy, I don't know what is.
*** Oh, he
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* IKnewIt: Rebel's identity... if you weren't betting on it being [[spoiler:Hannah]].
* IdiotPlot: Although it had been passed around freely between the characters in Volume One, by the time of Volume Two, the writers appear to have grasped the IdiotBall firmly, with the result that the premature conclusion to that arc almost feels like a mercy killing. Volume Three was even worse, [[spoiler:with a promising plot involving twelve escaped villains and the return of Adam Monroe scuttled in favor of the introduction of Voldemort-wannabe Arthur Petrelli and a series of nonsensical subplots best [[WallBanger not mentioned]].]]
* IdiotPlot: Although it had been passed around freely between the characters in Volume One, by the time of Volume Two, the writers appear to have grasped the IdiotBall firmly, with the result that the premature conclusion to that arc almost feels like a mercy killing. Volume Three was even worse, [[spoiler:with a promising plot involving twelve escaped villains and the return of Adam Monroe scuttled in favor of the introduction of Voldemort-wannabe Arthur Petrelli and a series of nonsensical subplots best [[WallBanger not mentioned]].]]
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* IKnewIt: Rebel's identity... if you weren't betting on it being [[spoiler:Hannah]].
[[spoiler:Hana (though she [[AllThereInTheManual died in the comics]])]].
* IdiotPlot: Although it had been passed around freely between the characters in Volume One, by the time of Volume Two, the writers appear to have grasped the IdiotBall firmly, with the result that the premature conclusion to that arc almost feels like a mercy killing. Volume Three was even worse, [[spoiler:with a promising plot involving twelve escaped villains and the return of Adam Monroe scuttled in favor of the introduction of Voldemort-wannabe Arthur Petrelli and a series of nonsensical subplots [[WallBangers/{{LiveActionTV}} best[[WallBanger not mentioned]].]]
* IdiotPlot: Although it had been passed around freely between the characters in Volume One, by the time of Volume Two, the writers appear to have grasped the IdiotBall firmly, with the result that the premature conclusion to that arc almost feels like a mercy killing. Volume Three was even worse, [[spoiler:with a promising plot involving twelve escaped villains and the return of Adam Monroe scuttled in favor of the introduction of Voldemort-wannabe Arthur Petrelli and a series of nonsensical subplots [[WallBangers/{{LiveActionTV}} best
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* SpotlightStealingSquad: [[TangledFamilyTree The Petrelli familyfamily]]
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* BetterOnDVD? Though some say watching it on DVD makes you much more aware of the myriad of plot holes and aborted arcs and inconsistencies that watching it slowly one week at a time would eliminate.
* BrokenBase: The Nathan and Sylar fans exited in droves and were baying for blood after the volume 4 finale. Those who weren't hopelessly confused, that is. And really, anything related to Sylar has this effect. That's because he's TheWesley to half the fanbase and the [[DracoInLeatherPants best thing on the show]] [[BaseBreaker to the other half.]]
** Another case comes in those who wish it had ended after Season 1, those who wish it had after the second, etc.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Claude, Ando, even Mr. Muggles has a fanbase. In the first half of the first Volume, Hiro was like this too - then the producers listened and [[BreakoutCharacter gave him an increasingly larger role]]. Minor characters from the Graphic Novels such as Linda Tavara (Who only had three appearances, total) have sizeable fanbases. The most extreme example is Sparrow Redhouse who, despite only appearing in 3 panels until recently, was a character many wanted to see on the show
* IKnewIt: Rebel's identity... if you weren't betting on it being [[spoiler:Hannah]].
* IdiotPlot: Although it had been passed around freely between the characters in Volume One, by the time of Volume Two, the writers appear to have grasped the IdiotBall firmly, with the result that the premature conclusion to that arc almost feels like a mercy killing. Volume Three was even worse, [[spoiler:with a promising plot involving twelve escaped villains and the return of Adam Monroe scuttled in favor of the introduction of Voldemort-wannabe Arthur Petrelli and a series of nonsensical subplots best [[WallBanger not mentioned]].]]
** The Finale of the show had [[spoiler: the Evolved Humans be outed by Claire on National Television. Claire, you've seen several dark futures and seen what people do when they find out of about your abilities... what made you think this is going to end WELL?]]
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: At the end of one episode, [[spoiler:Ando is stabbed by Hiro in a case of IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten]]. Some fans realized that with his powers, it would be easy for Hiro to fake something like this. However, Heroes' reputation as a show where AnyoneCanDie coupled with poor writing that contained several {{Heel Face Turn}}s made many fans think the character was actually dead.
* MagnificentBastard: And in ''this'' corner, the fight is between Bennet and Nathan Petrelli. Odds favorite is currently Nathan, as he manages to be a MagnificentBastard even when the people know it. With the introduction of Mr. Linderman - who calmly managed to talk ''Nathan'' down - a new contender was on the field. And just when we thought Bennet was out of the race, he cranks it up to 11 and shows he's a bigger bastard than even ''we'' dreamed. And then there's Bob, and don't discount Adam Monroe yet... it's a veritable bastard [[BattleRoyaleWithCheese battle royale]]! And don't forget Magnificent Bitch Angela Petrelli.
** Given his apparent (and as-yet-unclear) XanatosGambit, Samuel Sullivan could well be a contender for this trope.
*** Oh, he is definitely one. If he wasn't one before, he became one the moment he [[spoiler: pretended that he was about to surrender to Noah to atone for his crimes, only to have his flunky open fire from the shadows, wounding Samuel and killing at least one member of the Carnival (who had been about to turn on Samuel), leading everyone to believe that Noah had tried to kill Samuel even when he was prepared to surrender... and therefore making them a lot more willing to forget their doubts about Samuel and go along with his anti-Muggle agenda.]] Now, if that ain't Magnificent Bastardy, I don't know what is.
* MST3KMantra - It's often easier to enjoy the show for the lulz than taking it seriously.
* PanderingToTheBase: and HOW.
* RomanticPlotTumor: West and Claire in Volume 2.
** The conflict of Volume 5, whatever it is, had better be only resolvable by seeing sound as colors or I'm gonna be seriously pissed.
* RootingForTheEmpire - the villains / morally grey characters in this show tend to be the most popular because the [[DesignatedHero heroes]] [[TooDumbToLive are complete morons.]]
* SnarkBait: There are entire LJ communities in which getting together every Monday night to watch Heroes - for the sole purpose of giving it the MST3K treatment - has become a ritual and a bonding experience. Wet Sylar, Carniawarts, Clairiett Tubman, Sylar Durden, Rainbow Brite Girl, Gretchward Cullen - we salute you.
* SpotlightStealingSquad: The Petrelli family
** Also Sylar.
* StrangledByTheRedString: [[spoiler:Matt Parkman and Daphne Millbrook in Volume Three. Exactly ''what'' do these two characters have in common again?]]
** Which she just acknowledged herself.
*** [[spoiler: Actually, she didn't. She repeated the erroneous statement that Matt's vision was only a "dream." Not only did Angela see the same future, but Peter was actually *in* it. What she said was either 1) wrong or 2) a retcon.]]
* ToyShip: Micah and Molly.
* TheWoobie: Multiple characters get this treatment notably Hiro, Peter, Adam, Elle, and Sylar.
** Also attempted with Nathan Petrelli at the beginning of Season 2 (mostly by making him grow a truly ''horrific'' BeardOfSorrow) - a decision which pretty much led to a fandom revolt and was never referenced again.
** Poor Noah ;_;
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Adam.
* BrokenBase: The Nathan and Sylar fans exited in droves and were baying for blood after the volume 4 finale. Those who weren't hopelessly confused, that is. And really, anything related to Sylar has this effect. That's because he's TheWesley to half the fanbase and the [[DracoInLeatherPants best thing on the show]] [[BaseBreaker to the other half.]]
** Another case comes in those who wish it had ended after Season 1, those who wish it had after the second, etc.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Claude, Ando, even Mr. Muggles has a fanbase. In the first half of the first Volume, Hiro was like this too - then the producers listened and [[BreakoutCharacter gave him an increasingly larger role]]. Minor characters from the Graphic Novels such as Linda Tavara (Who only had three appearances, total) have sizeable fanbases. The most extreme example is Sparrow Redhouse who, despite only appearing in 3 panels until recently, was a character many wanted to see on the show
* IKnewIt: Rebel's identity... if you weren't betting on it being [[spoiler:Hannah]].
* IdiotPlot: Although it had been passed around freely between the characters in Volume One, by the time of Volume Two, the writers appear to have grasped the IdiotBall firmly, with the result that the premature conclusion to that arc almost feels like a mercy killing. Volume Three was even worse, [[spoiler:with a promising plot involving twelve escaped villains and the return of Adam Monroe scuttled in favor of the introduction of Voldemort-wannabe Arthur Petrelli and a series of nonsensical subplots best [[WallBanger not mentioned]].]]
** The Finale of the show had [[spoiler: the Evolved Humans be outed by Claire on National Television. Claire, you've seen several dark futures and seen what people do when they find out of about your abilities... what made you think this is going to end WELL?]]
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: At the end of one episode, [[spoiler:Ando is stabbed by Hiro in a case of IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten]]. Some fans realized that with his powers, it would be easy for Hiro to fake something like this. However, Heroes' reputation as a show where AnyoneCanDie coupled with poor writing that contained several {{Heel Face Turn}}s made many fans think the character was actually dead.
* MagnificentBastard: And in ''this'' corner, the fight is between Bennet and Nathan Petrelli. Odds favorite is currently Nathan, as he manages to be a MagnificentBastard even when the people know it. With the introduction of Mr. Linderman - who calmly managed to talk ''Nathan'' down - a new contender was on the field. And just when we thought Bennet was out of the race, he cranks it up to 11 and shows he's a bigger bastard than even ''we'' dreamed. And then there's Bob, and don't discount Adam Monroe yet... it's a veritable bastard [[BattleRoyaleWithCheese battle royale]]! And don't forget Magnificent Bitch Angela Petrelli.
** Given his apparent (and as-yet-unclear) XanatosGambit, Samuel Sullivan could well be a contender for this trope.
*** Oh, he is definitely one. If he wasn't one before, he became one the moment he [[spoiler: pretended that he was about to surrender to Noah to atone for his crimes, only to have his flunky open fire from the shadows, wounding Samuel and killing at least one member of the Carnival (who had been about to turn on Samuel), leading everyone to believe that Noah had tried to kill Samuel even when he was prepared to surrender... and therefore making them a lot more willing to forget their doubts about Samuel and go along with his anti-Muggle agenda.]] Now, if that ain't Magnificent Bastardy, I don't know what is.
* MST3KMantra - It's often easier to enjoy the show for the lulz than taking it seriously.
* PanderingToTheBase: and HOW.
* RomanticPlotTumor: West and Claire in Volume 2.
** The conflict of Volume 5, whatever it is, had better be only resolvable by seeing sound as colors or I'm gonna be seriously pissed.
* RootingForTheEmpire - the villains / morally grey characters in this show tend to be the most popular because the [[DesignatedHero heroes]] [[TooDumbToLive are complete morons.]]
* SnarkBait: There are entire LJ communities in which getting together every Monday night to watch Heroes - for the sole purpose of giving it the MST3K treatment - has become a ritual and a bonding experience. Wet Sylar, Carniawarts, Clairiett Tubman, Sylar Durden, Rainbow Brite Girl, Gretchward Cullen - we salute you.
* SpotlightStealingSquad: The Petrelli family
** Also Sylar.
* StrangledByTheRedString: [[spoiler:Matt Parkman and Daphne Millbrook in Volume Three. Exactly ''what'' do these two characters have in common again?]]
** Which she just acknowledged herself.
*** [[spoiler: Actually, she didn't. She repeated the erroneous statement that Matt's vision was only a "dream." Not only did Angela see the same future, but Peter was actually *in* it. What she said was either 1) wrong or 2) a retcon.]]
* ToyShip: Micah and Molly.
* TheWoobie: Multiple characters get this treatment notably Hiro, Peter, Adam, Elle, and Sylar.
** Also attempted with Nathan Petrelli at the beginning of Season 2 (mostly by making him grow a truly ''horrific'' BeardOfSorrow) - a decision which pretty much led to a fandom revolt and was never referenced again.
** Poor Noah ;_;
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Adam.
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* LargeHam: Linderman, Hiro, Sylar.
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* LargeHam: Linderman, Hiro, Sylar. Sylar.
* MissedMomentOfAwesome: Future Peter vs Future Sylar... Offscreen.
** [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4860110/10/Heroes_Abridged_With_Commentary_Genesis Heroes Abridged]] had fun with this:
--->Future Mohinder: OH WOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY POWERS USED IN ONE BATTLE, IT'S WAY BETTER THAN ALL THE FIGHT SCENES IN THE X-MEN MOVIES COMBINED!
* MissedMomentOfAwesome: Future Peter vs Future Sylar... Offscreen.
** [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4860110/10/Heroes_Abridged_With_Commentary_Genesis Heroes Abridged]] had fun with this:
--->Future Mohinder: OH WOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY POWERS USED IN ONE BATTLE, IT'S WAY BETTER THAN ALL THE FIGHT SCENES IN THE X-MEN MOVIES COMBINED!
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* FetishFuel: Lampshaded in Volume 5. Claire and Gretchen are kidnapped as part of a sorority hazing and stuffed into a car trunk:
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* FetishFuel: Has [[FetishFuel/{{Heroes}} its own page]]. Lampshaded in Volume 5. Claire and Gretchen are kidnapped as part of a sorority hazing and stuffed into a car trunk:
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--> Claire: "There are entire websites devoted to this."* FoeYay: Where to begin... [[YourMileageMayVary depending on who you ask]], Mohinder/Sylar, Sylar/Peter, even, in a [[strike: [[YourMileageMayVary hot]]]] disturbing way, Sylar and ''Claire'' in the Fourth Volume finale (and in the later episodes of Volume Five). Sylar's just sort of a FoeYay whore.
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--> Claire: "There are entire websites devoted to this."* "
* FoeYay: Where to begin... [[YourMileageMayVary depending on who you ask]], Mohinder/Sylar, Sylar/Peter, even, in a [[strike: [[YourMileageMayVary hot]]]] disturbing way, Sylar and ''Claire'' in the Fourth Volume finale (and in the later episodes of Volume Five). Sylar's just sort of a FoeYay whore.
* FoeYay: Where to begin... [[YourMileageMayVary depending on who you ask]], Mohinder/Sylar, Sylar/Peter, even, in a [[strike: [[YourMileageMayVary hot]]]] disturbing way, Sylar and ''Claire'' in the Fourth Volume finale (and in the later episodes of Volume Five). Sylar's just sort of a FoeYay whore.
