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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: A big problem with the later seasons and perhaps a major contributing factor leading to the show's cancellation is the increasing hopelessness for everyone involved, as major characters keep getting killed off in brutal ways, and daily life for the rest of them gets progressively crappier with trauma and angst piled on top of more trauma and angst, almost to DeusAngstMachina levels.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: A Most of the characters in the series are already hard to sympathize with (being either criminals, monsters, assholes, or hypocrites), but a big problem with the later seasons in particular and perhaps a major contributing factor leading to the show's cancellation is the increasing hopelessness for everyone involved, as major characters keep getting killed off in brutal ways, and daily life for the rest of them gets progressively crappier with trauma and angst piled on top of more trauma and angst, almost to DeusAngstMachina levels.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: A big problem with the later seasons and perhaps a major contributing factor leading to the show's cancellation is the increasing hopelessness for everyone involved, as major characters keep getting killed off in brutal ways, and daily life for the rest of them gets progressively crappier with trauma and angst piled on top of more trauma and angst, almost to DeusAngstMachina levels.
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** In the third season, Johann admits to Roman that he has wondered about his relationship with Peter. Roman objects, but Johann points out that it's not an unreasonable assumption.

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** In the third season, Johann admits to Roman that he has wondered about his relationship with Peter. Roman objects, objects (a little ''too'' fiercely for one's liking), but Johann points out that it's not an unreasonable assumption.
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* BaseBreaker: Second season character Miranda, going by comments on the show's Wiki. She's either an interesting and sympathetic NaiveEverygirl, or an annoying snoop who sticks her nose into things that aren't her business. Her detractors also aren't a fan of her [[SlutShaming more]] sexually active lifestyle in contrast to Letha.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Second season character Miranda, going by comments on the show's Wiki. She's either an interesting and sympathetic NaiveEverygirl, or an annoying snoop who sticks her nose into things that aren't her business. Her detractors also aren't a fan of her [[SlutShaming more]] sexually active lifestyle in contrast to Letha.



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** In the third season, Johann admits to Roman that he has wondered about his relationship with Peter. Roman objects, but Johann points out that it's not an unreasonable assumption.
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** Peter's first on-screen transformation in the TV adaptation definitely qualifies. It includes Peter's flesh being flayed off, his teeth falling out and then his wolf form proceeding to ''eat'' some of the flayed off flesh. Suffice it to say that {{Netflix}} did not skimp on the special effects.

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** Peter's first on-screen transformation in the TV adaptation definitely qualifies. It includes Peter's flesh being flayed off, his teeth falling out and then his wolf form proceeding to ''eat'' some of the flayed off flesh. Suffice it to say that {{Netflix}} {{Creator/Netflix}} did not skimp on the special effects.

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corrected Chasser to Chasseur, fixed spoiler link in What An Idiot


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler:Just when we were starting to know a great deal of information about Dr. Chausser and the people she works for, she up and gets mortally wounded by Olivia and is forced to be [[MercyKill Mercy Killed]] by Dr. Pryce. Olivia even told Pryce that she wounded her simple because ''[[KickTheDog she felt like it]]'']].
** Perhaps that's exactly why they did it. Most, if not all, of the characters killed off at that point were only there to be killed off, you never got an emotional bond with them or knew them at all. Whether you liked [[spoiler:Chausser]] or not their death was a slap to the face, no one saw it coming, but considering Pryce's surprising statement we might see them again.
* WhatAnIdiot: Norman in the second season finale. Basically, [[spoiler:he had the perfect opportunity to kill Olivia and end
her crimes once and for all when she's weakened, but decides not to. She recovers her strength, and then kills him herself]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler:Just when we were starting to know a great deal of information about Dr. Chausser Chausseur and the people she works for, she up and gets mortally wounded by Olivia and is forced to be [[MercyKill Mercy Killed]] by Dr. Pryce. Olivia even told Pryce that she wounded her simple because ''[[KickTheDog she felt like it]]'']].
** Perhaps that's exactly why they did it. Most, if not all, of the characters killed off at that point were only there to be killed off, you never got an emotional bond with them or knew them at all. Whether you liked [[spoiler:Chausser]] [[spoiler:Chausseur]] or not their death was a slap to the face, no one saw it coming, but considering Pryce's surprising statement we might see them again.
* WhatAnIdiot: Norman in the second season finale. Basically, [[spoiler:he [[spoiler: He had the perfect opportunity to kill Olivia and end
end her crimes once and for all when she's weakened, but decides not to. She recovers her strength, and then kills him herself]].herself.]]
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** [[spoiler: Roman raping one of his classmates and then dazzling her into forgetting all about it could be seen as this.]]



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* WhatAnIdiot: Norman in the second season finale. Basically, [[spoiler:he had the perfect opportunity to kill Olivia and end her crimes once and for all when she's weakened, but decides not to. She recovers her strength, and then kills him herself]].

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* WhatAnIdiot: Norman in the second season finale. Basically, [[spoiler:he had the perfect opportunity to kill Olivia and end end
her crimes once and for all when she's weakened, but decides not to. She recovers her strength, and then kills him herself]].herself]].
* UglyCute: Shelley may be disfigured, yet somehow she manages to be adorable. It helps that she's TheWoobie.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Olivia is a terrible person, no doubt. She'll screw over anyone for her own gain, including her own children. But several episodes in season 2 seem to give her a more sympathetic side. Roman doesn't buy it, but it's vague whether Olivia is being manipulative or if she's trying to change for the better. However, the event that puts her past the point of no return, that cements forever more what kind of character she is is when [[spoiler: she devours the artificial body that Shelley was having her mind transferred into, dooming her to her deformed body forever.]]
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* BaseBreaker: Second season character Miranda, going by comments on the show's Wiki. She's either an interesting and sympathetic NaiveEverygirl, or an annoying snoop who sticks her nose into things that aren't her business. Her detractors also aren't a fan of her [[SlutShaming more]] sexually active lifestyle in contrast to Letha.
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** Baby Nadia's PsychicPowers.


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* WhatAnIdiot: Norman in the second season finale. Basically, [[spoiler:he had the perfect opportunity to kill Olivia and end her crimes once and for all when she's weakened, but decides not to. She recovers her strength, and then kills him herself]].
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* DullSurprise: In spades.



* KickTheDog: [[spoiler: From Christina]] to Chief Tom Sworn, when both [[spoiler: Alexa and Alyssa]] are both mutilated/murdered horribly by the vargulf, considering Chief Tom Sworn was always so kind to the murderer. Made worse when later [[spoiler: Christina is killed, but is possibly alive, as she screams from in the grave]] even though she was the killer, he didn't know that and he saw her as a daughter.
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** In the novel, when Olivia questions what Roman and Peter were up to in Roman's room, Roman answers "homosexual acts".

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** In the novel, when Olivia questions what Roman and Peter were up to in Roman's room, Roman answers answers, "homosexual acts".



* KickTheDog: [[spoiler: From Christina]] to Chief Tom Sworn, when both [[spoiler: Alexa and Alyssa]] are both mutilated/murdered horribly by the vargulf, considering Chief Tom Sworn was always so kind to the murder. Made worse when later [[spoiler: Christina is killed]] even though they were the killer, he didn't know that and he thought of her as like a daughter.

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* KickTheDog: [[spoiler: From Christina]] to Chief Tom Sworn, when both [[spoiler: Alexa and Alyssa]] are both mutilated/murdered horribly by the vargulf, considering Chief Tom Sworn was always so kind to the murder. murderer. Made worse when later [[spoiler: Christina is killed]] killed, but is possibly alive, as she screams from in the grave]] even though they were she was the killer, he didn't know that and he thought of saw her as like a daughter.
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* DullSurprise: In spades.
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** Perhaps that's exactly why they did it. Most, if not all, of the characters killed off at that point were only there to be killed off, you never got an emotional bond with them or knew them at all. Whether you liked [[Spoiler:Chausser]] or not their death was a slap to the face, no one saw it coming, but considering Pryce's surprising statement we might see them again.

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** Perhaps that's exactly why they did it. Most, if not all, of the characters killed off at that point were only there to be killed off, you never got an emotional bond with them or knew them at all. Whether you liked [[Spoiler:Chausser]] [[spoiler:Chausser]] or not their death was a slap to the face, no one saw it coming, but considering Pryce's surprising statement we might see them again.
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* KicktheDog: [[spoiler: From Christina]] to Chief Tom Sworn, when both [[Spoiler: Alexa and Alyssa]] are both mutilated/murdered horribly by the vargulf, considering Chief Tom Sworn was always so kind to the murder. Made worse when later [[spoiler: Christina is killed]] even though they were the killer, he didn't know that and he thought of her as like a daughter.

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* KicktheDog: KickTheDog: [[spoiler: From Christina]] to Chief Tom Sworn, when both [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: Alexa and Alyssa]] are both mutilated/murdered horribly by the vargulf, considering Chief Tom Sworn was always so kind to the murder. Made worse when later [[spoiler: Christina is killed]] even though they were the killer, he didn't know that and he thought of her as like a daughter.
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** Perhaps that's exactly why they did it. Most, if not all, of the characters killed off at that point were only there to be killed off, you never got an emotional bond with them or knew them at all. Whether you liked [[Spoiler:Chausser]] or not their death was a slap to the face, no one saw it coming, but considering Pryce's surprising statement we might see them again.
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*KicktheDog: [[spoiler: From Christina]] to Chief Tom Sworn, when both [[Spoiler: Alexa and Alyssa]] are both mutilated/murdered horribly by the vargulf, considering Chief Tom Sworn was always so kind to the murder. Made worse when later [[spoiler: Christina is killed]] even though they were the killer, he didn't know that and he thought of her as like a daughter.
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Not YMMV anymore. Moving.


* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: [[spoiler:Christina]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler:Just when we were starting to know a great deal of information about Dr. Chausser and the people she works for, she up and gets mortally wounded by Olivia and is forced to be [[MercyKill Mercy Killed]] by Dr. Pryce. Olivia even told Pryce that she wounded her simple because ''[[KickTheDog she felt like it]]'']].* TheWoobie: Shelley and to a lesser extent Peter. Both of them get far more hate than they deserve considering they are generally good, helpful people.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler:Just when we were starting to know a great deal of information about Dr. Chausser and the people she works for, she up and gets mortally wounded by Olivia and is forced to be [[MercyKill Mercy Killed]] by Dr. Pryce. Olivia even told Pryce that she wounded her simple because ''[[KickTheDog she felt like it]]'']].it]]'']].
* TheWoobie: Shelley and to a lesser extent Peter. Both of them get far more hate than they deserve considering they are generally good, helpful people.

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This is just Nightmare Fuel now.


* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Peter's first on-screen transformation in the TV adaptation definitely qualifies. It includes Peter's flesh being flayed off, his teeth falling out and then his wolf form proceeding to ''eat'' some of the flayed off flesh. Suffice it to say that {{Netflix}} did not skimp on the special effects.



* NightmareFuel:
** Peter's first on-screen transformation in the TV adaptation definitely qualifies. It includes Peter's flesh being flayed off, his teeth falling out and then his wolf form proceeding to ''eat'' some of the flayed off flesh. Suffice it to say that {{Netflix}} did not skimp on the special effects.
** And then there was the part where [[spoiler:Christina (in vargulf form) ate Peter's face...]]



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler:Just when we were starting to know a great deal of information about Dr. Chausser and the people she works for, she up and gets mortally wounded by Olivia and is forced to be [[MercyKill Mercy Killed]] by Dr. Pryce. Olivia even told Pryce that she wounded her simple because ''[[KickTheDog she felt like it]]'']].
* TheWoobie: Shelley and to a lesser extent Peter. Both of them get far more hate than they deserve considering they are generally good, helpful people.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler:Just when we were starting to know a great deal of information about Dr. Chausser and the people she works for, she up and gets mortally wounded by Olivia and is forced to be [[MercyKill Mercy Killed]] by Dr. Pryce. Olivia even told Pryce that she wounded her simple because ''[[KickTheDog she felt like it]]'']].
it]]'']].* TheWoobie: Shelley and to a lesser extent Peter. Both of them get far more hate than they deserve considering they are generally good, helpful people.


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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Peter's first on-screen transformation in the TV adaptation, definitely qualifies. It includes Peter's flesh being flayed off, his teeth falling out and then his wolf form proceeding to ''eat'' some of the flayed off flesh. Suffice it to say that {{Netflix}} did not skimp on the special effects.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Peter's first on-screen transformation in the TV adaptation, adaptation definitely qualifies. It includes Peter's flesh being flayed off, his teeth falling out and then his wolf form proceeding to ''eat'' some of the flayed off flesh. Suffice it to say that {{Netflix}} did not skimp on the special effects.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Peter's first on-screen transformation in the TV adaptation, definitely qualifies. It includes Peter's flesh being flayed off, his teeth falling out, and then his wolf form proceeding to ''eat'' some of the flayed off flesh. Suffice it to say that {{Netflix}} did not skimp on the special effects.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Peter's first on-screen transformation in the TV adaptation, definitely qualifies. It includes Peter's flesh being flayed off, his teeth falling out, out and then his wolf form proceeding to ''eat'' some of the flayed off flesh. Suffice it to say that {{Netflix}} did not skimp on the special effects.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Peter's first on-screen transformation in the TV adaptation, definitely qualifies. It includes Peter's flesh being flayed off, his teeth falling out, and then his wolf form proceeding to ''eat'' some of the flayed off flesh. Suffice it to say that {{Netflix}} did not skimp on the special effects.
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* NarmCharm: [[spoiler:Christina trying to become a werewolf by drinking from a muddy paw print was just silly. But silly or not, ''it worked''.]]
* {{Squick}}: As if the vargulf eviscerating its victims wasn't bad enough, it had to go out and attack the victims by ripping apart their vaginas first.
* TearJerker: The second half of "Birth" is nothing but BreakTheCutie and BreakTheHaughty wrapped together into one giant ball of sadness.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler:Just when we were starting to know a great deal of information about Dr. Chausser and the people she works for, she up and gets mortally wounded by Olivia and is forced to be [[MercyKill Mercy Killed]] by Dr. Pryce. Olivia even told Pryce that she wounded her simple because ''[[KickTheDog she felt like it]]'']].


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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: [[spoiler:Christina]].
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* TheWoobie: Shelley and to a lesser extent Peter. Both of them get far more hate than they deserve considering they are generally good, helpful people.

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* HoYay: Peter and Roman. In ''spades''.

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* HoYay: Peter and Roman. In ''spades''.
** Roman slips Peter a note saying "Can I watch?" -- he's talking about the transformation from human to wolf, but the subtext is practically text.
** In the novel, when Olivia questions what Roman and Peter were up to in Roman's room, Roman answers "homosexual acts".
** Roman also states that watching Peter transform back to human is "beautiful".
** Throughout the novel, the narrator interjects with various statements that play up the HoYay.
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* HoYay: Peter and Roman. In ''spades''.

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