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* MemeticLoser: Not ''as'' intense as ComicBook/{{Aquaman}}'s case, but arguably stems from the [[WesternAnimation/SuperFriends same source]], and has lasted for longer without much (successful) course-correction. New DC fans - and even veteran ones - often scratch their heads at what's unique about the character when the JLA has its FlyingBrick quota filled and then some, and the character's legendary ContinuitySnarl is grade-A SnarkBait for those who believe writers haven't had a solid direction for him since the Silver Age.



* MemeticLoser: Not ''as'' intense as ComicBook/{{Aquaman}}'s case, but arguably stems from the [[WesternAnimation/SuperFriends same source]], and has lasted for longer without much (successful) course-correction. New DC fans - and even veteran ones - often scratch their heads at what's unique about the character when the JLA has its FlyingBrick quota filled and then some, and the character's legendary ContinuitySnarl is grade-A SnarkBait for those who believe writers haven't had a solid direction for him since the Silver Age.
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* MemeticLoser: Not ''as'' intense as ComicBook/{{Aquaman}}'s case, but arguably stems from the [[WesternAnimation/SuperFriends same source]], and has lasted for longer without much (successful) course-correction. New DC fans - and even veteran ones - often scratch their heads at what's unique about the character when the JLA has its FlyingBrick quota filled and then some, and the character's legendary ContinuitySnarl is grade-A SnarkBait for those who believe writers haven't had a solid direction for him since the Silver Age.
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Now a Trivia trope that needs to be confirmed as intentional by Word of God.


* AuthorsSavingThrow: The ''ComicBook/DCUniverse'' era title attempted to do this to the infamous ContinuitySnarl once and for all by retconning that Carter and Shiera/Kendra have been reincarnating through time ''and'' space -- and that Katar and Shayera Hol weren't separate people, but past lives of Carter and Shiera/Kendra respectively.
%%* BadassDecay: Golden Age Shiera Hall once she actually became Hawkgirl.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: A little after the beginning of the ''Hawkworld'' ongoing and before Hawkman's return over in ''JSA''. Namely for how ''amazingly'' convoluted things became, with the Fel Andar retcon that turned him into a supervillain, as well as just being ''the'' era of ContinuitySnarl that pretty much everyone now ignores, yet still has come to define Hawkman in the public consciousness.



* DorkAge: A little after the beginning of the ''Hawkworld'' ongoing and before Hawkman's return over in ''JSA''. Namely for how ''amazingly'' convoluted things became, with the Fel Andar retcon that turned him into a supervillain, as well as just being ''the'' era of ContinuitySnarl that pretty much everyone now ignores, yet still has come to define Hawkman in the public consciousness.
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** When it was decided that the JSA and JLA have always lived on the same Earth, there could have been a story[[note]]either as a one-shot or in ''Secret Origins'' #11 (Feb. 1987) with the Golden Age Hawkman instead of with Power Girl[[/note]] where the Silver Age Hawks first meet the Golden Age Hawks upon their arrival to Earth. The backstory of Katar's father being involved in the Golden Age Hawkman's origin would have been written earlier, as well as justifying the Thanagarians using the Golden Age Hawks' names. This would have prevented the ContinuitySnarl the Hawk characters have suffered.

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** When it was decided that the JSA and JLA have always lived on the same Earth, there could have been a story[[note]]either as a one-shot or in ''Secret Origins'' ''ComicBook/SecretOrigins'' #11 (Feb. 1987) with the Golden Age Hawkman instead of with Power Girl[[/note]] where the Silver Age Hawks first meet the Golden Age Hawks upon their arrival to Earth. The backstory of Katar's father being involved in the Golden Age Hawkman's origin would have been written earlier, as well as justifying the Thanagarians using the Golden Age Hawks' names. This would have prevented the ContinuitySnarl the Hawk characters have suffered.
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** When it was decided that the JSA and JLA have always lived on the same Earth, there could have been a story[[note]]either as a one-shot or in ''Secret Origins'' #11 (Feb. 1987) with the Golden Age Hawkman instead of with Power Girl[[/note]] where the Silver Age Hawks first meet the Golden Age Hawks upon their arrival to Earth. The backstory of Katar's father being involved in the Golden Age Hawkman's origin would have been written earlier, as well as justifying the Thanagarians using the Golden Age Hawk's names. This would have prevented the ContinuitySnarl the Hawk characters have suffered.

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** When it was decided that the JSA and JLA have always lived on the same Earth, there could have been a story[[note]]either as a one-shot or in ''Secret Origins'' #11 (Feb. 1987) with the Golden Age Hawkman instead of with Power Girl[[/note]] where the Silver Age Hawks first meet the Golden Age Hawks upon their arrival to Earth. The backstory of Katar's father being involved in the Golden Age Hawkman's origin would have been written earlier, as well as justifying the Thanagarians using the Golden Age Hawk's Hawks' names. This would have prevented the ContinuitySnarl the Hawk characters have suffered.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the original ''Hawkworld'' series, Hawkman comes off as a spoiled, whiny brat who is realizing his whole society is built on the backs of oppressed alien species but isn't really doing much about it. Then, he [[spoiler: murders a Wingor in a frenzy]], killing any shred of sympathy one might have for him. Then, the final issue sees him [[spoiler: becoming a director of a hospital for poor downsiders, finally becoming a little more sympathetic before abandoning it all to go on a blood quest against Byth and rejoining the Wingmen to satisfy that vengeance. In fairness, he DOES go on to use his position as a Planetary Hero to politically advocate for the Downsiders while continuing this work... or at least he tries to. (He unknowingly hired Kanjar Ro, an old JLofA foe, to do the hands-on work, and Ro is every bit as evil as he used to be even here.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the original ''Hawkworld'' series, Hawkman comes off as a spoiled, whiny brat who is realizing his whole society is built on the backs of oppressed alien species but isn't really doing much about it. Then, he [[spoiler: murders a Wingor in a frenzy]], killing any shred of sympathy one might have for him. Then, the final issue sees him [[spoiler: becoming a director of a hospital for poor downsiders, finally becoming a little more sympathetic before abandoning it all to go on a blood quest against Byth and rejoining the Wingmen to satisfy that vengeance. In fairness, he DOES go on to use his position as a Planetary Hero to politically advocate for the Downsiders while continuing this work... or at least he tries to. (He unknowingly hired Kanjar Ro, an old JLofA Justice League of America foe, to do the hands-on work, and Ro is every bit as evil as he used to be even here.]]
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the original ''Hawkworld'' series, Hawkman comes off as a spoiled, whiny brat who is realizing his whole society is built on the backs of oppressed alien species but isn't really doing much about it. Then, he [[spoiler: murders a Wingor in a frenzy]], killing any shred of sympathy one might have for him. Then, the final issue sees him [[spoiler: becoming a director of a hospital for poor downsiders, finally becoming a little more sympathetic before abandoning it all to go on a blood quest against Byth and rejoining the Wingmen to satisfy that vengeance.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the original ''Hawkworld'' series, Hawkman comes off as a spoiled, whiny brat who is realizing his whole society is built on the backs of oppressed alien species but isn't really doing much about it. Then, he [[spoiler: murders a Wingor in a frenzy]], killing any shred of sympathy one might have for him. Then, the final issue sees him [[spoiler: becoming a director of a hospital for poor downsiders, finally becoming a little more sympathetic before abandoning it all to go on a blood quest against Byth and rejoining the Wingmen to satisfy that vengeance. In fairness, he DOES go on to use his position as a Planetary Hero to politically advocate for the Downsiders while continuing this work... or at least he tries to. (He unknowingly hired Kanjar Ro, an old JLofA foe, to do the hands-on work, and Ro is every bit as evil as he used to be even here.]]
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* CompleteMonster (''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' June-August 2001 & ''Rann-Thanagar War''): [[TheDreaded Onimar Synn]] is the strongest of the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Seven Devils]] who plagued the history of Thanagar and one of the planet's greatest and most powerful entities. A SoulEating demon who nourishes himself on suffering, Synn resurrects countless years after his first defeat and takes over Thanagar, slaughtering its high council and devouring the souls of its populace by the thousands to fuel his undead army, whilst executing thousands more by dropping them from the point of the flying city he takes over. Once more revived by his depraved priest in time for the Rann-Thanagar War, Synn exploits the conflict to devour the dead and dying of Thanagar's populace, impeding the efforts of Kyle Rayner and Adam Strange to stop him by trying to suffocate hundreds of innocents reserved in storage to slake his appetite, before mounting an assault on Rann to devour its populace as well, slaughtering them by the masses and ultimately striving to use their technology to [[GalacticConqueror go on]] and [[OmnicidalManiac consume every living soul in the universe]].

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* CompleteMonster (''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' June-August 2001 & ''Rann-Thanagar War''): CompleteMonster: [[TheDreaded Onimar Synn]] is the strongest of the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Seven Devils]] who plagued the history of Thanagar and one of the planet's greatest and most powerful entities. A SoulEating demon who nourishes himself on suffering, Synn resurrects countless years after his first defeat and takes over Thanagar, slaughtering its high council and devouring the souls of its populace by the thousands to fuel his undead army, whilst executing thousands more by dropping them from the point of the flying city he takes over. Once more revived by his depraved priest in time for the Rann-Thanagar War, Synn exploits the conflict to devour the dead and dying of Thanagar's populace, impeding the efforts of Kyle Rayner and Adam Strange to stop him by trying to suffocate hundreds of innocents reserved in storage to slake his appetite, before mounting an assault on Rann to devour its populace as well, slaughtering them by the masses and ultimately striving to use their technology to [[GalacticConqueror go on]] and [[OmnicidalManiac consume every living soul in the universe]].
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The ''ComicBook/DCUniverse'' attempted to do this to the infamous ContinuitySnarl once and for all by retconning that Carter and Shiera/Kendra have been reincarnating through time ''and'' space -- and that Katar and Shayera Hol weren't separate people, but past lives of Carter and Shiera/Kendra respectively.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The ''ComicBook/DCUniverse'' era title attempted to do this to the infamous ContinuitySnarl once and for all by retconning that Carter and Shiera/Kendra have been reincarnating through time ''and'' space -- and that Katar and Shayera Hol weren't separate people, but past lives of Carter and Shiera/Kendra respectively.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The ''ComicBook/DCUniverse'' attempted to do this to the infamous ContinuitySnarl once and for all by retconning that Carter and Shiera/Kendra have been reincarnating through time ''and'' space -- and that Katar and Shayera Hol weren't separate people, but past lives of Carter and Shiera/Kendra respectively.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheDreaded Onimar Synn]] is the strongest of the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Seven Devils]] who plagued the history of Thanagar and one of the planet's greatest and most powerful entities. A SoulEating demon who nourishes himself on suffering, Synn resurrects countless years after his first defeat and takes over Thanagar, slaughtering its high council and devouring the souls of its populace by the thousands to fuel his undead army, whilst executing thousands more by dropping them from the point of the flying city he takes over. Once more revived by his depraved priest in time for the Rann-Thanagar War, Synn exploits the conflict to devour the dead and dying of Thanagar's populace, impeding the efforts of Kyle Rayner and Adam Strange to stop him by trying to suffocate hundreds of innocents reserved in storage to slake his appetite, before mounting an assault on Rann to devour its populace as well, slaughtering them by the masses and ultimately striving to use their technology to [[GalacticConqueror go on]] and [[OmnicidalManiac consume every living soul in the universe]].

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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster (''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' June-August 2001 & ''Rann-Thanagar War''): [[TheDreaded Onimar Synn]] is the strongest of the [[DemonLordsAndArchdevils Seven Devils]] who plagued the history of Thanagar and one of the planet's greatest and most powerful entities. A SoulEating demon who nourishes himself on suffering, Synn resurrects countless years after his first defeat and takes over Thanagar, slaughtering its high council and devouring the souls of its populace by the thousands to fuel his undead army, whilst executing thousands more by dropping them from the point of the flying city he takes over. Once more revived by his depraved priest in time for the Rann-Thanagar War, Synn exploits the conflict to devour the dead and dying of Thanagar's populace, impeding the efforts of Kyle Rayner and Adam Strange to stop him by trying to suffocate hundreds of innocents reserved in storage to slake his appetite, before mounting an assault on Rann to devour its populace as well, slaughtering them by the masses and ultimately striving to use their technology to [[GalacticConqueror go on]] and [[OmnicidalManiac consume every living soul in the universe]].
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** ''The Brave and the Bold'' #42 shows that Thanagarians use "identi-cards" that are similar to credits cards, which aren't invented until the late 70s. And the issue was published in 1962.
** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the Dark Nights: Metal event, which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.

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** ''The Brave and the Bold'' ''ComicBook/TheBraveAndTheBold'' #42 shows that Thanagarians use "identi-cards" that are similar to credits cards, which aren't invented until the late 70s. And the issue was published in 1962.
** During the Geoff Johns Creator/GeoffJohns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the Dark Nights: Metal event, which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.



*** Creator/MarkWaid once said that the Hawk-snarl could have been prevented by beginning the ''Hawkworld'' miniseries with the words "ten years ago."

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*** ** Creator/MarkWaid once said that the Hawk-snarl could have been prevented by beginning the ''Hawkworld'' miniseries with the words "ten years ago."



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** Hawkman during the 90s, from his occasional {{Jerkass}} moments to his fascistic worldview. While intended to be a foil to Green Arrow's more liberal bend, Arrow usually comes off as well-meaning but silly, whereas Carter is borderline AntiHero.
** This happens in the original ''Hawkworld'' series as well where he comes off as a spoiled, whiny brat who is realizing his whole society is built on the backs of oppressed alien species but isn't really doing much about it. Then, he [[spoiler: murders a Wingor in a frenzy]], killing any shred of sympathy one might have for him. Then, the final issue sees him [[spoiler: becoming a director of a hospital for poor downsiders, finally becoming a little more sympathetic before abandoning it all to go on a blood quest against Byth and rejoining the Wingmen to satisfy that vengeance.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
** Hawkman during the 90s, from his occasional {{Jerkass}} moments to his fascistic worldview. While intended to be a foil to Green Arrow's more liberal bend, Arrow usually comes off as well-meaning but silly, whereas Carter is borderline AntiHero.
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UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the original ''Hawkworld'' series as well where he series, Hawkman comes off as a spoiled, whiny brat who is realizing his whole society is built on the backs of oppressed alien species but isn't really doing much about it. Then, he [[spoiler: murders a Wingor in a frenzy]], killing any shred of sympathy one might have for him. Then, the final issue sees him [[spoiler: becoming a director of a hospital for poor downsiders, finally becoming a little more sympathetic before abandoning it all to go on a blood quest against Byth and rejoining the Wingmen to satisfy that vengeance.]]]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: ''The Brave and the Bold'' #42 shows that Thanagarians use "identi-cards" that are similar to credits cards, which aren't invented until the late 70s. And the issue was published in 1962.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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''The Brave and the Bold'' #42 shows that Thanagarians use "identi-cards" that are similar to credits cards, which aren't invented until the late 70s. And the issue was published in 1962.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: When it was decided that the JSA and JLA have always lived on the same Earth, there could have been a story[[note]]either as a one-shot or in ''Secret Origins'' #11 (Feb. 1987) with the Golden Age Hawkman instead of with Power Girl[[/note]] where the Silver Age Hawks first meet the Golden Age Hawks upon their arrival to Earth. The backstory of Katar's father being involved in the Golden Age Hawkman's origin would have been written earlier, as well as justifying the Thanagarians using the Golden Age Hawk's names. This would have prevented the ContinuitySnarl the Hawk characters have suffered.
** Creator/MarkWaid once said that the Hawk-snarl could have been prevented by beginning the ''Hawkworld'' miniseries with the words "ten years ago."

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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When it was decided that the JSA and JLA have always lived on the same Earth, there could have been a story[[note]]either as a one-shot or in ''Secret Origins'' #11 (Feb. 1987) with the Golden Age Hawkman instead of with Power Girl[[/note]] where the Silver Age Hawks first meet the Golden Age Hawks upon their arrival to Earth. The backstory of Katar's father being involved in the Golden Age Hawkman's origin would have been written earlier, as well as justifying the Thanagarians using the Golden Age Hawk's names. This would have prevented the ContinuitySnarl the Hawk characters have suffered.
** *** Creator/MarkWaid once said that the Hawk-snarl could have been prevented by beginning the ''Hawkworld'' miniseries with the words "ten years ago."
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* NightmareFuel: Byth's transformation in ''Hawkworld''. Especially in the second issue of the mini-series.

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* NightmareFuel: Byth's transformation in ''Hawkworld''. Especially in the second third issue of the mini-series.
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* NightmareFuel: Byth's transformation in ''Hawkworld''. Especially in the second issue of the mini-series.

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I know Hawkman's a political strawman, but his pages shouldn't be. No modern politicians on the Hindsight tropes.


* BadassDecay: Golden Age Shiera Hall once she actually became Hawkgirl.

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* %%* BadassDecay: Golden Age Shiera Hall once she actually became Hawkgirl.



* HarsherInHindsight: Katar's anti-trade sentiments and nationalist bent in ''Hawkworld'' takes on a whole new layer in the wake of Donald Trump's political career.
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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the Dark Nights: Metal event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.

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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the Dark Nights: Metal event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.
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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the [[Dark Nights:Metal]] event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.

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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the [[Dark Nights:Metal]] Dark Nights: Metal event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.
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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the [[Dark Nights: Metal]] event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.

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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the [[Dark Nights: Metal]] Nights:Metal]] event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.
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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the [[Comic Book/Dark Nights:Metal|Dark Nights: Metal]] event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.

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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the [[Comic Book/Dark Nights:Metal|Dark [[Dark Nights: Metal]] event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.
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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the [[Comic Book / Dark Nights: Metal|Dark Nights: Metal]] event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.

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** During the Geoff Johns run, [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7mw6kg/resubmission_apparently_scott_snyder_exists_in/ a gag with the Atom]] shows him traveling the phone lines to meet with Carter noting that his assistant, Scott Snyder, hates when he does that. A few years later a real writer named Creator/ScottSnyder came to work for DC, becoming one of their most prominent writer's of the 2010's. He would also go on to write the [[Comic Book / Dark Nights: Metal|Dark Book/Dark Nights:Metal|Dark Nights: Metal]] event, which led to which heavily featured Hawkgirl and led to Hawkman's return.

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