History YMMV / HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows

27th Nov '16 10:57:23 PM KingClark
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* CompleteMonster: If there was any doubt that [[TyrantTakesTheHelm Dolores Umbridge]] did not fit this trope and that she was JustFollowingOrders, her actions in this book completely destroy that argument. She's more than happy to stay on in the Ministry after Voldemort takes over and [[StepfordSmiler cheerfully presides]] [[HangingJudge over the]] [[KangarooCourt show trials]] [[ThePurge of Muggle-borns]]. She wears the [[ArtifactOfDoom Slytherin locket]] without tainting any sense of her cheerily sadistic attitude and keeps Moody's eye on her ''door'' like a trophy.
** She casts a corporeal Patronus, capable of holding back several Dementors at once, while actively taking joy in the InferredHolocaust of Muggle-borns and wearing the Horcrux locket around her neck. Repeat: the happy thought she is using to summon her Patronus is the mental image of people ''getting their souls ripped from their bodies by beings that embody fear and despression''. It's around this point that Voldemort starts to sound like TheDragon in comparison.
* ContinuityLockOut: This book is the first to not introduce Harry's point of view section by his first and last name -- previous books started out with calling him "Harry Potter". This one, once it gets to him, just says "[[FakeOutOpening Harry was bleeding]]."

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* CompleteMonster: If there was any doubt that [[TyrantTakesTheHelm Dolores Umbridge]] did not fit this trope and that she was JustFollowingOrders, her actions in this book completely destroy that argument. She's more than happy to stay on in the Ministry after Voldemort takes over and [[StepfordSmiler cheerfully presides]] [[HangingJudge over the]] [[KangarooCourt show trials]] [[ThePurge of Muggle-borns]]. She wears the [[ArtifactOfDoom Slytherin locket]] without tainting any sense of her cheerily sadistic attitude and keeps Moody's eye on her ''door'' like a trophy.
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trophy. She casts a corporeal Patronus, capable of holding back several Dementors at once, while actively taking joy in the InferredHolocaust of Muggle-borns and wearing the Horcrux locket around her neck. Repeat: the happy thought she is using to summon her Patronus is the mental image of people ''getting their souls ripped from their bodies by beings that embody fear and despression''. It's around this point that Voldemort starts to sound like TheDragon in comparison.
* ContinuityLockOut: This book is the first to not introduce Harry's point of view section by his first and last name -- previous name--previous books started out with calling him "Harry Potter". This one, once it gets to him, just says "[[FakeOutOpening Harry was bleeding]]."
3rd Nov '16 7:50:26 AM Chris116
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*** Voldemort's dissolving into ashes it may seem strange until one remembers what happen to him (in Quirrel's body) after he was defeated in the very first movie, he collapsed into ashes.

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*** Voldemort's dissolving into ashes it may seem strange until one remembers what happen to him (in Quirrel's body) after he was defeated in the very first movie, he collapsed into ashes. It still rings hollow with some who appreciated how the book described that for all his work towards immortality, his death comes with his corpse hitting the ground as a mortal man.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Numerous characters are DemotedToExtra despite the film more or less revolving solely around the final battle, the reason why the book was split into two movies. The most notable example is perhaps Professor Sprout, whose return to the films was hyped up only for her to get a few silent cameos, disappointing many who have missed the character and her actress.
21st Oct '16 3:57:25 PM N8han11
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* AssPull: The revelation that [[spoiler:the reason Harry's InvisibilityCloak never tears or falls into disarray is because it is one of the eponymous Deathly Hallows]] is a clever inversion of this, much like the rest of ChekhovsArmory in the books. [[spoiler:Harry takes the power of his Cloak for granted, simply assuming that all Invisibility Cloaks are just that awesome, but attentive readers will notice Mad-Eye Moody talking about having to borrow a fellow Order member's Invisibility Cloak because his was starting to wear off. The average reader would wave it off as a [[PlotHole continuity error]], but it [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste it becomes an important plot device in the final book]].]] On the other hand, Dumbledore's claim that [[spoiler:the Cloak's true magic is that it can hide multiple people]] is a more traditional AssPull. So if anyone ever manufactures [[spoiler:an oversized Invisibility Cloak, does it automatically get promoted to Hallowdom?]]
** Not its true magic, but its true ''worth'' as a [[spoiler:Hallow. The Wand and the Stone were for more selfish uses in comparison.]]
*** But couldn't [[spoiler:the Elder Wand]] just as easily be used to, say, cast a Shield Charm over one's friends? Or the Cloak used to steal from someone? There's really nothing inherently more moral about any of them, it's just that the particular people who got them used them in particular ways.
*** That's not why it was created. The [[spoiler:Elder Wand]] was created by ego. Antioch wanted the most powerful wand in the world, and that bred greed. The [[spoiler:stone]] was created to cheat and mock death. On the other hand, the [[spoiler:cloak]] was created solely to protect. That's the difference. Yes, someone could use the [[spoiler:wand]] to defend someone, but that was not the intent behind its creation, and so that is not what it represents. Furthermore, the cloak itself does have a unique ability, as evidenced by the fact that the summoning charm doesn't work on it.

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* AssPull: The revelation that [[spoiler:the reason Harry's InvisibilityCloak never tears or falls into disarray is because it is one of the eponymous Deathly Hallows]] is a clever inversion of this, much like the rest of ChekhovsArmory in the books. [[spoiler:Harry takes the power of his Cloak for granted, simply assuming that all Invisibility Cloaks are just that awesome, but attentive readers will notice Mad-Eye Moody talking about having to borrow a fellow Order member's Invisibility Cloak because his was starting to wear off. The average reader would wave it off as a [[PlotHole continuity error]], but it [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste it becomes an important plot device in the final book]].]] On the other hand, Dumbledore's claim that [[spoiler:the Cloak's true magic is that it can hide multiple people]] is a more traditional AssPull. So if anyone ever manufactures [[spoiler:an oversized Invisibility Cloak, does it automatically get promoted to Hallowdom?]]
** Not its true magic, but its true ''worth'' as a [[spoiler:Hallow. The Wand and the Stone were for more selfish uses in comparison.]]
*** But couldn't [[spoiler:the Elder Wand]] just as easily be used to, say, cast a Shield Charm over one's friends? Or the Cloak used to steal from someone? There's really nothing inherently more moral about any of them, it's just that the particular people who got them used them in particular ways.
*** That's not why it was created. The [[spoiler:Elder Wand]] was created by ego. Antioch wanted the most powerful wand in the world, and that bred greed. The [[spoiler:stone]] was created to cheat and mock death. On the other hand, the [[spoiler:cloak]] was created solely to protect. That's the difference. Yes, someone could use the [[spoiler:wand]] to defend someone, but that was not the intent behind its creation, and so that is not what it represents. Furthermore, the cloak itself does have a unique ability, as evidenced by the fact that the summoning charm doesn't work on it.



*** To be fair, he was still in shock from the attack at that time.
16th Oct '16 8:27:22 PM chizo
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** She also said Neville×Luna wasn't canon. [[spoiler:On the other hand, the movie has Neville tell Harry he has to tell Luna how he feels. AndThereWasMuchRejoicing for the Neville×Luna shippers]]. Which was sunk ''again'' by Matthew Lewis (who plays Neville in the films), when he said the Neville×Luna relationship was ultimately only a "summer fling", and that they did eventually move on to their respective canon pairings. Creator/JKRowling used to reject the ship but has stated that she grew fond of over it and could see it working out, which is why she approved of the aforementioned changes the film made.

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** She also said Neville×Luna wasn't canon. [[spoiler:On the other hand, the movie has Neville tell Harry he has to tell Luna how he feels. AndThereWasMuchRejoicing for the Neville×Luna shippers]]. Which was sunk ''again'' by Matthew Lewis (who plays Neville in the films), when he said the Neville×Luna relationship was ultimately only a "summer fling", and that they did eventually move on to their respective canon pairings. Creator/JKRowling used to reject the ship but has stated that she grew fond of over it time and could see it working out, which is why she approved of the aforementioned changes the film made.
16th Oct '16 8:26:30 PM chizo
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** Creator/JKRowling chose to sink the [[spoiler:Harry×Hermione ship]] ''thrice'', the third time of which was in this book. First, in an interview about the possible pairing, Rowling said she didn't think they were suited for each other. Secondly in ''Half-Blood Prince'', and then the internet exploded, with [[spoiler:Harry/Hermione shippers]] [[SeriousBusiness sending out death threats, burning books]], and swearing to abandon the series if she didn't change it. To drive the nail in the coffin, this book has Harry giving the "LikeBrotherAndSister" speech to Ron and Hermione, right after a scene in which Harry/Hermione appears as an evil illusion [[spoiler:made by the locket-Horcrux]] that seems vaguely perverse and is intended entirely to enrage Ron into attacking Harry by using frequent Harmonian arguments, at that. Rowling has mentioned that Harry/Hermione make a better match in some ways than Ron/Hermione but it would never happen because Harry's true love is Ginny.
** She also said Neville×Luna wasn't canon. [[spoiler:On the other hand, the movie has Neville tell Harry he has to tell Luna how he feels. AndThereWasMuchRejoicing for the Neville×Luna shippers]]. Which was sunk ''again'' by Matthew Lewis (who plays Neville in the films), when he said the Neville×Luna relationship was ultimately only a "summer fling", and that they did eventually move on to their respective canon pairings. Creator/JKRowling has stated that her opinion on the Luna/Neville ship has softened and she could see it working out.

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** Creator/JKRowling chose to sink the [[spoiler:Harry×Hermione ship]] ''thrice'', the third time of which was in this book. First, in an interview about the possible pairing, Rowling said she didn't think they were suited for each other. Secondly in ''Half-Blood Prince'', and then the internet exploded, with [[spoiler:Harry/Hermione shippers]] [[SeriousBusiness sending out death threats, burning books]], and swearing to abandon the series if she didn't change it. To drive the nail in the coffin, this book has Harry giving the "LikeBrotherAndSister" speech to Ron and Hermione, right after a scene in which Harry/Hermione appears as an evil illusion [[spoiler:made by the locket-Horcrux]] that seems vaguely perverse and is intended entirely to enrage Ron into attacking Harry by using frequent Harmonian arguments, at that. Rowling has mentioned that Harry/Hermione make a better match in some ways than Ron/Hermione but it would never happen because Harry's true love is Ginny.
Ginny and Hermione would be miserable without Ron.
** She also said Neville×Luna wasn't canon. [[spoiler:On the other hand, the movie has Neville tell Harry he has to tell Luna how he feels. AndThereWasMuchRejoicing for the Neville×Luna shippers]]. Which was sunk ''again'' by Matthew Lewis (who plays Neville in the films), when he said the Neville×Luna relationship was ultimately only a "summer fling", and that they did eventually move on to their respective canon pairings. Creator/JKRowling used to reject the ship but has stated that her opinion on the Luna/Neville ship has softened she grew fond of over it and she could see it working out.out, which is why she approved of the aforementioned changes the film made.
16th Oct '16 8:22:56 PM chizo
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some [[spoiler:Harry/Hermione]] shippers think that JKR wrote the "nineteen years later" epilogue primarily or solely to spite them by making [[spoiler:"Harry and Hermione get together after Hogwarts"]] stories uncanonical. A number of fans reject the canonicity of the epilogue to get around this, leading to the phrase "Epilogue? What Epilogue?". It doesn't apply only to shippers. Quite a few people disliked the Epilogue for its reputation of "TastesLikeDiabetes."

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* FanonDiscontinuity: Some [[spoiler:Harry/Hermione]] shippers think that JKR wrote the "nineteen years later" epilogue primarily or solely to spite them by making [[spoiler:"Harry and Hermione get together after Hogwarts"]] stories uncanonical.uncanonical even though she wrote it ''years'' before the first book was released (authors frequently plan their endings or have them written ahead of time). A number of fans reject the canonicity of the epilogue to get around this, leading to the phrase "Epilogue? What Epilogue?". It doesn't apply only to shippers. Quite a few people disliked the Epilogue for its reputation of "TastesLikeDiabetes."
16th Oct '16 5:55:34 PM chizo
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** Creator/JKRowling chose to sink the [[spoiler:Harry×Hermione ship]] ''thrice'', the third time of which was in this book. First, in an interview about the possible pairing, Rowling said she didn't think they were suited for each other. Secondly in ''Half-Blood Prince'', and then the internet exploded, with [[spoiler:Harry/Hermione shippers]] [[SeriousBusiness sending out death threats, burning books]], and swearing to abandon the series if she didn't change it. To drive the nail in the coffin, this book has Harry giving the "LikeBrotherAndSister" speech to Ron and Hermione, right after a scene in which Harry/Hermione appears as an evil illusion [[spoiler:made by the locket-Horcrux]] that seems vaguely perverse and is intended entirely to enrage Ron into attacking Harry by using frequent Harmonian arguments, at that.
** She also said Neville×Luna wasn't canon. [[spoiler:On the other hand, the movie has Neville tell Harry he has to tell Luna how he feels. AndThereWasMuchRejoicing for the Neville×Luna shippers]]. Which was sunk ''again'' by Matthew Lewis (who plays Neville in the films), when he said the Neville×Luna relationship was ultimately only a "summer fling", and that they did eventually move on to their respective canon pairings.

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** Creator/JKRowling chose to sink the [[spoiler:Harry×Hermione ship]] ''thrice'', the third time of which was in this book. First, in an interview about the possible pairing, Rowling said she didn't think they were suited for each other. Secondly in ''Half-Blood Prince'', and then the internet exploded, with [[spoiler:Harry/Hermione shippers]] [[SeriousBusiness sending out death threats, burning books]], and swearing to abandon the series if she didn't change it. To drive the nail in the coffin, this book has Harry giving the "LikeBrotherAndSister" speech to Ron and Hermione, right after a scene in which Harry/Hermione appears as an evil illusion [[spoiler:made by the locket-Horcrux]] that seems vaguely perverse and is intended entirely to enrage Ron into attacking Harry by using frequent Harmonian arguments, at that. \n Rowling has mentioned that Harry/Hermione make a better match in some ways than Ron/Hermione but it would never happen because Harry's true love is Ginny.
** She also said Neville×Luna wasn't canon. [[spoiler:On the other hand, the movie has Neville tell Harry he has to tell Luna how he feels. AndThereWasMuchRejoicing for the Neville×Luna shippers]]. Which was sunk ''again'' by Matthew Lewis (who plays Neville in the films), when he said the Neville×Luna relationship was ultimately only a "summer fling", and that they did eventually move on to their respective canon pairings. Creator/JKRowling has stated that her opinion on the Luna/Neville ship has softened and she could see it working out.
7th Oct '16 2:32:09 AM dbsamurai
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** Similarly, Wand Lore seems like this until one remembers the very first book. "The Wand Chooses the Wizard" indeed.



** The Wand Lore stuff, despite not having any reason to have been mentioned in previous books, felt very inconsistent with previously established magic.
6th Oct '16 4:04:37 PM DustSnitch
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** [[spoiler:"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!!!!"]], which made Molly Weasley ascend to {{Badass}} status.

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** [[spoiler:"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!!!!"]], which made Molly Weasley ascend to {{Badass}} badass status.



** [[spoiler:"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!!!!"]], which made Molly Weasley ascend to {{Badass}} status.

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** [[spoiler:"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!!!!"]], which made Molly Weasley ascend to {{Badass}} status. just jarred with her kind and maternal (if somewhat shrew) personality.
27th Sep '16 12:32:19 PM MidnightGoddess
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** Aberforth and Ariana Dumbledore. Don't believe me? Read "The Missing Mirror" again.
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