History YMMV / GrandTheftAutoIV

31st Aug '17 8:20:53 PM VisitorAlex
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** [[spoiler:Playboy X]] ordering Niko to kill [[spoiler:Dwayne, his friend and mentor]].
** [[spoiler:Dimitri Rascalov.]]. For most players, it will come when he [[spoiler:sells Niko out to Bulgarin]], when he [[spoiler:kidnaps Roman]], or when he [[spoiler:kills Roman in the Deal ending]]. By the end of the game, he's definitely on the far side.
*** An AlternateCharacterInterpretation is that ''[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone he]]'' [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone thought he'd crossed it]] after he had you kill [[spoiler:his best friend and boss, Mikhail Faustin.]] After this, he just goes completely crazy and starts [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying everyone]].

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** For [[DarkerAndEdgier obvious]] [[{{Deconstruction}} reasons]], this trope is a key theme in the storyline. [[VillainProtagonist Niko Bellic]] himself refuses to seek redemption in large part because he considers himself to have crossed the MoralEventHorizon long ago. ("Life is complicated. I've killed people, smuggled people, sold people.") Given his actions, human trafficking could be a good candidate for this. At the end, however, [[spoiler:he is able to realize that there may be a better option for him]].
** [[spoiler:Playboy X]] ordering Niko to kill [[spoiler:Dwayne, his own friend and mentor]].
** [[spoiler:Dimitri Rascalov.]]. For most players, it will come when he [[spoiler:sells Niko out to Bulgarin]], when he [[spoiler:kidnaps Roman]], or when he [[spoiler:kills Roman in the Deal ending]]. By the end of the game, he's definitely on the far side.
*** An AlternateCharacterInterpretation
side. However, an interpretation is that ''[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone he]]'' [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone ''he thought he'd crossed it]] it after he had you kill [[spoiler:his best friend and boss, Mikhail Faustin.]] After this, he just goes completely crazy AxCrazy and starts [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betraying and killing everyone]].



*** Some players consider [[spoiler: Aiden O'Malley's death one for Derrick himself, especially when it turns that he really ''did'' betray him and Bucky Sligo.]]
** Niko Bellic himself believed to have crossed this years ago. Given his actions, human trafficking could be a good candidate for this.

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*** ** Some players consider [[spoiler: Aiden O'Malley's death one for Derrick himself, especially when it turns that he really ''did'' betray him and Bucky Sligo.]]
** Niko Bellic himself believed to have [[spoiler:In "That Special Someone", it is revealed that Darko Brevic (Niko's former friend and comrade) crossed this years ago. Given it when he betrayed his actions, human trafficking could be a good candidate own squad in the Yugoslav Wars over $2.000 (or probably motivated for this.revenge).]]
** [[spoiler:Jimmy Pegorino crossed it when he shoots Kate to death in Roman's wedding. And during his chase, he mocked Niko about Kate's death]].
30th Aug '17 10:00:59 PM Shadeblade11
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* AnAesop: [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty revenge is never gratifying.]]
4th Aug '17 2:13:50 PM AndyLA
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** [[spoiler: Darko]]'s resemblance to Niko is ''very'' jarring. It almost makes him appear like a [[NotSoDifferent twisted reflection of Niko]].

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** [[spoiler: Darko]]'s resemblance to Niko is ''very'' jarring.''[[https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gtawiki/images/9/9c/DarkoBrevic-GTAIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150528082746 very]]'' [[https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gtawiki/images/f/fb/NikoBellic-GTAIV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100711132234 jarring]]. It almost makes him appear like a [[NotSoDifferent twisted reflection of Niko]].
4th Aug '17 2:12:05 PM AndyLA
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** It's extremely obvious the player was originally supposed to be able to choose to kill either [[spoiler: Phil Bell or Ray Boccino.]]

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** It's extremely obvious the player was originally supposed to be able to choose to kill either [[spoiler: Phil Bell or Ray Boccino. Considering how Phil showed himself to be far more trustworthy than Ray, it would've been obvious which one most players would pick, but then again, the Playboy X/Dwayne dilemma played out in a similar way.]]
4th Aug '17 2:09:08 PM AndyLA
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** At one point, Jacob says relations are getting strained with pot-paranoid Badman, and Niko utters the oh-so-[[ChekhovsGun Chekhovian]] line (especially alongside choices like [[spoiler:Playboy/Dwayne]] and [[spoiler:Francis/Derrick]]) "I'd hate to see what would happen if you two got in a fight!" Neeeever happens.

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** At one point, Jacob says relations are getting strained with pot-paranoid Badman, and Niko utters the oh-so-[[ChekhovsGun Chekhovian]] line (especially alongside choices like [[spoiler:Playboy/Dwayne]] and [[spoiler:Francis/Derrick]]) "I'd hate to see what would happen if you two got in a fight!" Neeeever happens. [[spoiler:Considering how Badman shows up at Roman's wedding at the end regardless of the route taken, however, it's possible that Jacob managed to talk him down at some point.]]
7th Jul '17 1:21:45 AM RobbSony3
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** For some fans, any of your "friends" who constantly whine about wanting to go bowling or drinking all the time.



** Vlad Glebov, as mentioned in the SmallNameBigEgo entry, has made a lot of enemies among the named cast and everyone hates him.
22nd Jun '17 12:16:08 AM StrangeThoughts
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* ContestedSequel: There are many longtime ''GTA'' fans who consider this game to be a disappointing follow up to ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' due to the smaller game world, no airplanes, harder to control vehicles, the PC version's exorbitant hardware requirements and usage of Games for Windows - Live; and the fact that it mostly abandons the zany, over-the-top nature of previous ''GTA'' games in favor of gritty realism.
** That being said, there are many fans that think this game has the best story in the series [[TrueArtIsAngsty in part due to the darker setting]] on top of having well crafted characters, antagonists and the tone in general. Not to mention [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny at the time]] it had one of the most (if not the most) complex representation of [[UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity a real-life city]], with outstanding attention to detail. Also the [[VideoGame/TheLostAndTheDamned downloadable]] [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIVTheBalladOfGayTony expansions]] reintroduced a lot of the side activities (including gang wars) that were lost in the transition, alleviating this a little bit.

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* ContestedSequel: There ContestedSequel:
** One one hand, there
are many longtime ''GTA'' fans who consider this game to be a disappointing follow up to ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'' due to the smaller game world, no airplanes, harder to control vehicles, the PC version's exorbitant hardware requirements and usage of Games for Windows - Live; and the fact that it mostly abandons the zany, over-the-top nature of previous ''GTA'' games in favor of gritty realism.
** That being said, On the other, there are many fans that think this game has the best story in the series [[TrueArtIsAngsty in part due to the darker setting]] on top of having well crafted characters, antagonists and the tone in general. Not to mention [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny at the time]] it had one of the most (if not the most) complex representation of [[UsefulNotes/NewYorkCity a real-life city]], with outstanding attention to detail. Also the [[VideoGame/TheLostAndTheDamned downloadable]] [[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIVTheBalladOfGayTony expansions]] reintroduced a lot of the side activities (including gang wars) that were lost in the transition, alleviating this a little bit.
21st Jun '17 6:45:52 AM Gosicrystal
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** The game includes a vehicle manufacturer named Pegassi, which is a composite of Lamborghini and Ducati. Four years after the release of the game, Lamborghini acquired Ducati, making this game AccidentallyAccurate.

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** The game includes a vehicle manufacturer named Pegassi, which is a composite of Lamborghini and Ducati. Four years after the release of the game, Lamborghini acquired Ducati, making this game AccidentallyAccurate.a case of AccidentallyCorrectWriting.
6th Jun '17 11:30:25 AM CosmicFerret
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** More of a meta example, but the question "Does Rockstar underpay their actors?" have become a source of great debate. This controversy started over the sour relationships between Rockstar and Ray Liotta and Burt Reynolds from Vice City and then died down. Then Michael Hollick came out and revealed how much he got paid versus how much the entire game grossed and the argument erupted again.

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** More of a meta example, but the question "Does Rockstar underpay their actors?" have become a source of great debate. This controversy started over the sour relationships between Rockstar and Ray Liotta Creator/RayLiotta and Burt Reynolds from Vice City and then died down. Then Michael Hollick came out and revealed how much he got paid versus how much the entire game grossed and the argument erupted again.
14th May '17 6:31:19 PM Lanes17B
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** The Creator/FoxNewsChannel {{Expy}}, Weazel News features a commercial that touts their diversity by introducing an [[TokenMinority Asian news anchor]] with an oriental gong sound. In October 2016, ''Series/TheOReillyFactor'' correspondent, Jesse Watters, filmed a segment in New York's Chinatown that many people saw as extremely racist. Here is a [[Series/TheOReillyFactor rebuttal]] from ''Series/TheDailyShow''.

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** The Creator/FoxNewsChannel {{Expy}}, Weazel News features a commercial that touts their diversity by introducing an [[TokenMinority Asian news anchor]] with an oriental gong sound. In October 2016, ''Series/TheOReillyFactor'' correspondent, Jesse Watters, filmed a segment in New York's Chinatown that many people saw as extremely racist. Here is a [[Series/TheOReillyFactor [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX8jZTN0CdU rebuttal]] from ''Series/TheDailyShow''.
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