History YMMV / GentlemanBastard

13th Jul '17 2:17:41 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* GeniusBonus: Camorr was no doubt named for the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camorra Camorra]], a different mafia crime syndicate/secret society whose organizational structure is more horizontal than vertical. Like Camorra clans, Camorr gangs are independent of one another, aside from being under Barsavi.
* GratuitousGerman: Jean quoting some words in Vadran in the third book, just to show he can. Unlike many of the Latin-, Italian- and French-based words in the books, the Vadran is just German-sounding gibberish, though. (I.e. “Endliktgelaben” is a nonsense construction with no discernible relation to the word “death” in any language of Germanic origin. There really is a German word meaning “death-desire” – as in: the psychological concept invented by Sigmund Freud - but it’s “Todessehnsucht”.)

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* GeniusBonus: Camorr was no doubt named for the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camorra Camorra]], a different mafia Neapolitan crime syndicate/secret society whose organizational structure is syndicate with a more horizontal hierarchy than vertical. its Sicilian Mafia rival. Like Camorra clans, Camorr gangs are independent of one another, aside from being under Barsavi.
* GratuitousGerman: Jean quoting some words in Vadran in the third book, just to show he can. Unlike many of the Latin-, Italian- and French-based words in the books, the Vadran is just German-sounding gibberish, though. (I.e. “Endliktgelaben” is a nonsense construction with no discernible relation to the word “death” in any language of Germanic origin. There really is a German word meaning “death-desire” – as in: the psychological concept invented by Sigmund Freud - but it’s “Todessehnsucht”.)
Barsavi.
30th May '17 3:46:00 AM VioletVisions
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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnthing: Karthain is ostensibly a democracy [[note]]Well, more people are enfranchised to vote than in 19th century Britain or the US, since it only depends on wealth, not gender or race.[[/note]], with 2 rivaling parties who make a lot of bluster out of the election. But in the end, the result of the election doesn’t really matter, because whoever is elected will do exactly what a small group of people want, who are controlling the politicians through a power beginning with “M”.[[note]]Magic/Mindcontrol vs. Money[[/note]] Shame that, in the real world, the oligarchs aren’t as well-intentioned as the bondsmagi… [[note]]At least the bondsmagi make sure that infrastructure is kept in good repair, economic inequality is kept low enough that the poor aren’t too desperate, their subjects are safe from organized crime, and they aren’t used as cannon fodder in any wars fought for the oligarchs’ interests. And the bondsmagi as a group are content just controlling one city state and being safe from attack after nuking a city to show off their power, they don’t work towards world domination by invading one country after another and keeping their military stationed in most of the world's "sovereign" countries.[[/note]]

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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnthing: DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Karthain is ostensibly a democracy [[note]]Well, more people are enfranchised to vote than in 19th century Britain or the US, since it only depends on wealth, not gender or race.[[/note]], with 2 rivaling parties who make a lot of bluster out of the election. But in the end, the result of the election doesn’t really matter, because whoever is elected will do exactly what a small group of people want, who are controlling the politicians through a power beginning with “M”.[[note]]Magic/Mindcontrol vs. Money[[/note]] Shame that, in the real world, the oligarchs aren’t as well-intentioned as the bondsmagi… [[note]]At least the bondsmagi make sure that infrastructure is kept in good repair, economic inequality is kept low enough that the poor aren’t too desperate, their subjects are safe from organized crime, and they aren’t used as cannon fodder in any wars fought for the oligarchs’ interests. And the bondsmagi as a group are content just controlling one city state and being safe from attack after nuking a city to show off their power, they don’t work towards world domination by invading one country after another and keeping their military stationed in most of the world's "sovereign" countries.[[/note]]
30th May '17 3:43:56 AM VioletVisions
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* DoesThatRemindYouOfAnthing: Karthain is ostensibly a democracy [[note]]Well, more people are enfranchised to vote than in 19th century Britain or the US, since it only depends on wealth, not gender or race.[[/note]], with 2 rivaling parties who make a lot of bluster out of the election. But in the end, the result of the election doesn’t really matter, because whoever is elected will do exactly what a small group of people want, who are controlling the politicians through a power beginning with “M”.[[note]]Magic/Mindcontrol vs. Money[[/note]] Shame that, in the real world, the oligarchs aren’t as well-intentioned as the bondsmagi… [[note]]At least the bondsmagi make sure that infrastructure is kept in good repair, economic inequality is kept low enough that the poor aren’t too desperate, their subjects are safe from organized crime, and they aren’t used as cannon fodder in any wars fought for the oligarchs’ interests. And the bondsmagi as a group are content just controlling one city state and being safe from attack after nuking a city to show off their power, they don’t work towards world domination by invading one country after another and keeping their military stationed in most of the world's "sovereign" countries.[[/note]]

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* DoesThatRemindYouOfAnthing: DoesThisRemindYouOfAnthing: Karthain is ostensibly a democracy [[note]]Well, more people are enfranchised to vote than in 19th century Britain or the US, since it only depends on wealth, not gender or race.[[/note]], with 2 rivaling parties who make a lot of bluster out of the election. But in the end, the result of the election doesn’t really matter, because whoever is elected will do exactly what a small group of people want, who are controlling the politicians through a power beginning with “M”.[[note]]Magic/Mindcontrol vs. Money[[/note]] Shame that, in the real world, the oligarchs aren’t as well-intentioned as the bondsmagi… [[note]]At least the bondsmagi make sure that infrastructure is kept in good repair, economic inequality is kept low enough that the poor aren’t too desperate, their subjects are safe from organized crime, and they aren’t used as cannon fodder in any wars fought for the oligarchs’ interests. And the bondsmagi as a group are content just controlling one city state and being safe from attack after nuking a city to show off their power, they don’t work towards world domination by invading one country after another and keeping their military stationed in most of the world's "sovereign" countries.[[/note]]


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* GratuitousGerman: Jean quoting some words in Vadran in the third book, just to show he can. Unlike many of the Latin-, Italian- and French-based words in the books, the Vadran is just German-sounding gibberish, though. (I.e. “Endliktgelaben” is a nonsense construction with no discernible relation to the word “death” in any language of Germanic origin. There really is a German word meaning “death-desire” – as in: the psychological concept invented by Sigmund Freud - but it’s “Todessehnsucht”.)
30th May '17 3:39:59 AM VioletVisions
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* DoesThatRemindYouOfAnthing: Karthain is ostensibly a democracy [[note]]Well, more people are enfranchised to vote than in 19th century Britain or the US, since it only depends on wealth, not gender or race.[[/note]], with 2 rivaling parties who make a lot of bluster out of the election. But in the end, the result of the election doesn’t really matter, because whoever is elected will do exactly what a small group of people want, who are controlling the politicians through a power beginning with “M”.[[note]]Magic/Mindcontrol vs. Money[[/note]] Shame that, in the real world, the oligarchs aren’t as well-intentioned as the bondsmagi… [[note]]At least the bondsmagi make sure that infrastructure is kept in good repair, economic inequality is kept low enough that the poor aren’t too desperate, their subjects are safe from organized crime, and they aren’t used as cannon fodder in any wars fought for the oligarchs’ interests. And the bondsmagi as a group are content just controlling one city state and being safe from attack after nuking a city to show off their power, they don’t work towards world domination by invading one country after another and keeping their military stationed in most of the world's "sovereign" countries.[[/note]]
* FridgeLogic:
** It's hard to believe that an affluent import trader of luxury textiles and gems like Jean's father and his presumably equally upper middle class mother would be so socially isolated that there were no relatives, friends, neighbors, employees or business partners to take charge of their suddenly orphaned son - if not out of the kindness of their hearts then because he's the sole heir to the warehouse inventory, domestic and foreign bank accounts, and possibly ships his father must have owned, and he’s still a minor, so his legal guardian would get access to the money. Even if his parents had been so deeply in debt that all the assets remaining after the house fire would have been seized by creditors (no hint of that in the books), there would have been a lawyer involved who surely wouldn't want the negative publicity resulting from throwing the prepubescent child of his former client out on the street, instead of simply apprenticing him to a temple or at least seeing to it that he gets a job as a scullery boy somewhere. And the first book went into detail about the fact that the comfortably well-off but not filthy rich merchants and artisans are the only truly decent, morally concerned people in Camorr, and immediately willing to chip in paying recompense to save their district's reputation after some priestly "initiates" were pickpocketed there - would people like that let it be said that they abandoned their neighbor's innocent little boy to starve or be kidnapped into sexual slavery? Children born into moderate wealth don't just slip through the cracks to end up homeless, unless they run away intentionally or are actively “disappeared” by their legal guardian (also no hint of that in the books either). Even before modern welfare states there were informal social security networks, at least among people who could afford to be charitable (to their social peers, at least, if not to the usually disdained urban poor).
** [[spoiler: Stragos’]] fate. The book went into great detail about how there is no privacy on a ship and that you can hear it everywhere on board if people are getting loud during sex. And it’s shown several times that Captain Drakasha tries her best to shield her very young children from the nastiest aspects of pirate life. And yet she plans on keeping [[spoiler: Stragos]] chained up in her ship, torturing him with solitary confinement and letting him scream until he goes mad? Yeah, Mommy is keeping a mad old slave down in the bilges, dirty and chained like an animal, screaming all day and night - that’s totally not going to give the kids nightmares or make them think their mother is a psychopath... Also, won’t he keep everyone awake?
** Why bother protecting the identities of your secret police with masks when you’re going to give them all a very recognizable tattoo, in a place they can’t reasonably hide all the time in their private life no less? (It’s suspicious if someone wears gloves even in the bathhouse or while eating.) It’s not like the Archon’s Eyes actually used the tattoos to prevent [[spoiler: the kind of infiltration that their masks made so easy.]] The convenient masks and the tattoo to identify corpses were clearly just there to make the plot work, not because they make sense in-universe.
19th Jan '17 3:00:07 PM GothicProphet
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** [[spoiler: Ezri's HeroicSacrifice]]

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** [[spoiler: Ezri's HeroicSacrifice]]HeroicSacrifice]]
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21st Mar '16 8:26:30 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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* MagnificentBastard: Practically ''everyone.''
25th Sep '15 2:23:12 PM _____________
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* GeniusBonus: Camorr was no doubt named for the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camorra Camorra]], a different mafia crime syndicate/secret society whose organizational structure is more horizontal than vertical. Like Camorra clans, Camorr gangs are independent of one another, aside from being under Barsavi.
29th Jul '14 4:23:04 AM NanoMoose
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* CryForTheDevil: Prior to the final duel in ''Lies'', readers are treated to a section from the perspective of the Gray King. While it in no way excuses his actions, his lifelong trauma is made very clear - and with his scheme failing utterly and his family and crew all dead, he's essentially lost every reason he ever had to live. Twice.
21st Jul '14 3:04:45 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** [[spoiler: Ezri's HeroicSacrifice]]
* TheUntwist: Given the first book's heavy theme of disguises and elaborate cons designed to make the targets believe in false identities, Locke's realization that [[spoiler: The Gray King]] looks maddeningly familiar seems to be setting the stage for an earth-shattering twist about his true identity. [[spoiler: Turns out he's just just some guy who's related to another secondary character, nothing more.]]

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** [[spoiler: Ezri's HeroicSacrifice]]
* TheUntwist: Given the first book's heavy theme of disguises and elaborate cons designed to make the targets believe in false identities, Locke's realization that [[spoiler: The Gray King]] looks maddeningly familiar seems to be setting the stage for an earth-shattering twist about his true identity. [[spoiler: Turns out he's just just some guy who's related to another secondary character, nothing more.]]
HeroicSacrifice]]
7th May '14 12:54:10 PM Ramidel
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* LawfulNeutral: The Bondsmagi are bound by strict laws and codes of conduct. Because they believe that their existence is required to literally prevent the world's destruction, they place their own needs above the needs of everyone else on the planet, and they show little hesitation in using the most ruthless and brutal methods to achieve their goals. However, as a group, they are not sadistic and have no interest in ruling the world. Individual members, however, are certainly evil.
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