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** To compound Ser Alliser's stupidity even further, promotional videos have clearly shown Wun Wun and the Wildling's attacking Castle Black, most likely in retaliation for Jon Snow's death.
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** Dorne continues to deliver.
*** We start with an out-of-nowhere coup justified by InsaneTrollLogic and accompanied by gratuitous gloating.
*** Obara and Nymeria seemingly perform OffscreenTeleportation to get on Trystane's ship so soon after they were seen at the shore. Then we're treated to Nymeria trying one-on-one combat in closed quarters with a whip, only to get cockblocked by her older sister. At least she got to say another B-movie one-liner, after ''killing their own cousin'' to boot.
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** Olly's smug expression of righteousness. Compounded by the fact that the camera repeatedly turns to him during Thorne's MotiveRant, despite him doing nothing but that one expression in any of the focus shots.
** Ramsay's grief for Myranda almost makes you feel sorry for his loss, if mourner and mournee weren't such despicable characters. What happens next can only be summarized as ''"Ok, that's enough humanizing for today, back to business!"'', when Ramsay orders her body to be butchered for meat.
** It is impossible to take Jaime's proclamations of revenge seriously because all one can think of at that is WhatAnIdiot he is by that point (see below) and how the entire situation makes no bloody sense.
** It's hard to take Khal Moro seriously as a new antagonist when his first attempt to be intimidating turns into a MontyPython sketch.
** The messages scrawled on the walls of Meereen that say "KILL THE MASTERS" and "MHYSA IS A MASTER" not only look like terribly out-of-place graffiti penned by a modern hand, but FridgeLogic makes them even more nonsensical. They're written in Westerosi (i.e. English) in a place where the dominant language is Valyrian and the majority of the population is illiterate. However, it seems TranslationConvention may be in play regarding what language the writing's supposed to be (i.e. it could be Valyrian rather than Westerosi).
** Dorne continues to deliver.
*** We start with an out-of-nowhere coup justified by InsaneTrollLogic and accompanied by gratuitous gloating.
*** Obara and Nymeria seemingly perform OffscreenTeleportation to get on Trystane's ship so soon after they were seen at the shore. Then we're treated to Nymeria trying one-on-one combat in closed quarters with a whip, only to get cockblocked by her older sister. At least she got to say another B-movie one-liner, after ''killing their own cousin'' to boot.
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** Olly's smug expression of righteousness. Compounded by the fact that the camera repeatedly turns to him during Thorne's MotiveRant, despite him doing nothing but that one expression in any of the focus shots.
** Ramsay's grief for Myranda almost makes you feel sorry for his loss, if mourner and mournee weren't such despicable characters. What happens next can only be summarized as ''"Ok, that's enough humanizing for today, back to business!"'', when Ramsay orders her body to be butchered for meat.
** It is impossible to take Jaime's proclamations of revenge seriously because all one can think of at that is WhatAnIdiot he is by that point (see below) and how the entire situation makes no bloody sense.
** It's hard to take Khal Moro seriously as a new antagonist when his first attempt to be intimidating turns into a MontyPython sketch.
** The messages scrawled on the walls of Meereen that say "KILL THE MASTERS" and "MHYSA IS A MASTER" not only look like terribly out-of-place graffiti penned by a modern hand, but FridgeLogic makes them even more nonsensical. They're written in Westerosi (i.e. English) in a place where the dominant language is Valyrian and the majority of the population is illiterate. However, it seems TranslationConvention may be in play regarding what language the writing's supposed to be (i.e. it could be Valyrian rather than Westerosi).
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* FailedASpotCheck: Potentially subverted. It would appear that the Sons Of The Harpy evade every potential security measure and set fire to the ''entire'' Meereenese fleet, forcing their enemies to stay in Meereen. However, in [[{{Recap/GameOfThronesS6E5TheDoor}} The Door]], Euron Greyjoy reveals his plan to bring Daenerys Targaryen a thousand ships in exchange for their wedding vows. He also admitted to leaving the Iron Islands to take care of other business after killing Balon but before appearing at the Kingsmoot. This "other business" may very well have been the burning of the fleet in Meereen.
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* FailedASpotCheck: Potentially subverted. It would appear that the Sons Of The Harpy evade every potential security measure and set fire to the ''entire'' Meereenese fleet, forcing their enemies to stay in Meereen. However, in #[[{{Recap/GameOfThronesS6E5TheDoor}} [[{{Recap/GameOfThronesS6E5TheDoor}} The Door]] Door]], Euron Greyjoy reveals his plan to bring Daenerys Targaryen a thousand ships in exchange for their wedding vows. He also admitting admitted to leaving the Iron Islands to take care of other business after killing Balon but before appearing at the Kingsmoot. This "other business" may very well have been the burning of the fleet in Meereen.
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*** This is the ''justification'' for killing Jon Snow, that he uses to excuse his actions. He's hardly going to say, "I did this because I knew Stannis wasn't around to cut my head off afterwards."
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** Despite all the issues listed below, the episode does at least address one fan complaint by explaining the absence of Edd and anyone else who would have objected to the mutiny: It was done very late at night while they were asleep. And Ghost was shown being able to sense its owner demise but powerless to do anything because he was caged up. Much like his brother Grey Wind.
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** Despite all the issues listed below, the episode does at least address one fan complaint by explaining the absence of Edd and anyone else who would have objected to the mutiny: It it was done very late at night while they were asleep. And Ghost was shown being able to sense its owner demise his owner's demise, but remained powerless to do anything because he was caged up. Much like his brother Grey Wind.
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** Ramsay gets ''so'' close, when he retells the story of how him and Myranda fell in love as childhood sweethearts. But after all it's still one terrible person mourning another terrible person, not to mention his plans to "utilize" her body.
** With the death of her second child and her inability to fight fate (not to mention the traumatizing ordeal of the previous season), Cersei played this straight
** With the death of her second child and her inability to fight fate (not to mention the traumatizing ordeal of the previous season), Cersei played this straight
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** Ramsay gets ''so'' close, close when he retells the story of how him and Myranda fell in love as childhood sweethearts. But after all it's still one terrible person mourning another terrible person, not to mention his plans to "utilize" her body.
** With the death of her second child and her inability to fight fate (not to mention the traumatizing ordeal of the previous season), Cersei played thisstraightstraight.
** With the death of her second child and her inability to fight fate (not to mention the traumatizing ordeal of the previous season), Cersei played this
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** The messages scrawled on the walls of Meereen that say "KILL THE MASTERS" and "MYSA IS A MASTER" not only look like terribly out-of-place graffiti penned by a modern hand, but FridgeLogic makes them even more nonsensical. They're written in Westerosi (i.e. English) in a place where the dominant language is Valyrian and the majority of the population is illiterate.
* TakeThatScrappy: Roose's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Ramsay, particularly when he calls out his victory against Stannis's forces (one of the biggest contributing factors to Ramsay's VillainSue status) as an easy win. And that without Sansa his position as Roose's heir, and their hold in the North are in dire straits.
* TakeThatScrappy: Roose's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Ramsay, particularly when he calls out his victory against Stannis's forces (one of the biggest contributing factors to Ramsay's VillainSue status) as an easy win. And that without Sansa his position as Roose's heir, and their hold in the North are in dire straits.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Roose's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Ramsay, particularly when he calls out his victory against Stannis's forces (one of the biggest contributing factors to Ramsay's VillainSue status) as an easy win. And that without Sansa his position as Roose's heir, and their holdin on the North North, are in dire straits.
* TakeThatScrappy: Roose's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Ramsay, particularly when he calls out his victory against Stannis's forces (one of the biggest contributing factors to Ramsay's VillainSue status) as an easy win. And that without Sansa his position as Roose's heir, and their hold
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** Ser Alliser Thorne states that his reasons for betraying Jon Snow was that he left the Wildlings through the Wall. Which begs the question, if his plan was to betray Jon Snow why did he let him and all those Wildlings through the Gate, and ''then'' stab the only man the Wildlings will listen to. Viewers hoping for an AuthorsSavingThrow (Such as news of Stannis' defeat forcing his hand), were left scratching their heads at the depths of his stupidity. It doesn't help that his justification boils down to a SlipperySlopeFallacy.[[note]]Stating that since Jon let the Wildlings through the wall, this will all ultimately lead to the downfall of the Night's Watch.[[/note]]
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** In addition to keep giving traitors unrestricted access to his own defenseless person, Doran doesn't improve his chances of surviving by reading aloud the message exposing Ellaria's new treason ''right in front of her''. It's a shock for sure and there is not much room for maneuvering, but the bad hand could have been played better, given Jaime warns Doran about her [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-note-plot-hole_us_57211895e4b0b49df6a9ff65?section=india explicitly]].
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Jaime's decision to return to King's Landing instead of turning the ship around and confronting Ellaria. Was he really lacking any form of common sense, or was he simply smart enough to realize that returning to Dorne seeking vengeance, with almost no one to fight by his side except Bronn, would end horribly since the Dornish soldiers would clearly outnumber them?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was Jaime's decision to return to King's Landing instead of turning the ship around and confronting Ellaria. Was he to confront Doran about Ellaria really lacking any form of common sense, or was he simply smart enough to realize that returning to Dorne seeking vengeance, vengeance with almost no one only Bronn to fight by his side except Bronn, would end horribly since the Dornish soldiers would clearly outnumber them?
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** A photo of the letter Doran was sent largely clears this up: Jaime himself sent it, because he was hoping to avoid a full-scale war by just alerting Doran of Ellaria's actions, which he would punish himself.
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** A photo Unfortunately, a [[http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/objects-from-dorne photo]] of the letter Doran was sent largely clears this up: receives supports a lack of common sense since it clearly states Jaime himself sent it, because he was hoping to avoid a full-scale war by just alerting does ''not'' suspect Doran and is sending Trystane straight back while expecting Doran to execute Ellaria and the Sand Snakes, all of Ellaria's actions, which he would punish himself.could have been achieved much faster by turning the ship around.
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** In addition to keep giving traitors unrestricted access to his own defenseless person, Doran doesn't improve his chances of surviving by reading aloud the message exposing Ellaria's new treason ''right in front of her''. It's a shock for sure and there is no not much room for maneuvering, but the bad hand could have been played better, given Jaime warns Doran about her [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-note-plot-hole_us_57211895e4b0b49df6a9ff65?section=india explicitly]].
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** Doran doesn't improve his chances of surviving by reading aloud the message exposing Ellaria's new treason ''right in front of her''. It's a shock for sure and there is no much room for maneuvering, but the bad hand could have been played better, given Jaime warns Doran about her [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-note-plot-hole_us_57211895e4b0b49df6a9ff65?section=india explictly]].
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** In addition to keep giving traitors unrestricted access to his own defenseless person, Doran doesn't improve his chances of surviving by reading aloud the message exposing Ellaria's new treason ''right in front of her''. It's a shock for sure and there is no much room for maneuvering, but the bad hand could have been played better, given Jaime warns Doran about her [[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-note-plot-hole_us_57211895e4b0b49df6a9ff65?section=india explictly]].explicitly]].
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* TakeThatScrappy: Roose's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Ramsay, particularly when he calls out his victory against Stannis's forces (one of the biggest contributing factors to Ramsay's VillainSue status) as an easy win.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Roose's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Ramsay, particularly when he calls out his victory against Stannis's forces (one of the biggest contributing factors to Ramsay's VillainSue status) as an easy win. And that without Sansa his position as Roose's heir, and their hold in the North are in dire straits.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Despite all the issues listed below, the episode does at least address one fan complaint by explaining the absence of Edd and anyone else who would have objected to the mutiny: It was done very late at night while they were asleep. And Ghost was shown being able to sense its owner demise but powerless to do anything because he was caged up. Much like his brother Grey Wind.
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** Despite all the issues listed below, the episode does at least address one fan complaint by explaining the absence of Edd and anyone else who would have objected to the mutiny: It was done very late at night while they were asleep. And Ghost was shown being able to sense its owner demise but powerless to do anything because he was caged up. Much like his brother GreyWind.Wind.
** Many fans were also exasperated at the end of last season by the writers' explanation that Daenerys dropped her ring to use as a breadcrumb for someone to find her, since the idea of someone just ''happening'' to stumble onto it seemed ridiculous but was clearly going to happen. This episode, though, makes it very obvious that the area where Dany was standing was surrounded by horses/riders, making the place she was standing a more obvious spot to look. It's still a lucky find by Jorah, but not nearly as much of a stretch as one might have guessed at the end of last season.
** Despite all the issues listed below, the episode does at least address one fan complaint by explaining the absence of Edd and anyone else who would have objected to the mutiny: It was done very late at night while they were asleep. And Ghost was shown being able to sense its owner demise but powerless to do anything because he was caged up. Much like his brother Grey
** Many fans were also exasperated at the end of last season by the writers' explanation that Daenerys dropped her ring to use as a breadcrumb for someone to find her, since the idea of someone just ''happening'' to stumble onto it seemed ridiculous but was clearly going to happen. This episode, though, makes it very obvious that the area where Dany was standing was surrounded by horses/riders, making the place she was standing a more obvious spot to look. It's still a lucky find by Jorah, but not nearly as much of a stretch as one might have guessed at the end of last season.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Roose's ReasonYouSuckSpeech to Ramsey, particularly when he calls out his victory against Stannis's forces (one of the biggest contributing factors to Ramsey's VillainSue status) as an easy win.
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* BrainBleach: SOMEONE HELPS, MELISANDRE CARVED HER WAY INTO MY BRAIN.
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* BrainBleach: SOMEONE HELPS, HELP, MELISANDRE CARVED HER WAY INTO MY BRAIN.
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** Ser Alliser Thorne states that his reasons for betraying Jon Snow was that he left the Wildlings through the Wall. Which begs the question, if his plan was to betray Jon Snow why did he let him and all those Wildlings through the Gate, and ''then'' stab the only man the Wildlings will listen to. Viewers hoping for an AuthorsSavingThrow (Such as news of Stannis' defeat forcing his hand), were left scratching their heads at the depths of his stupidity. It doesn't help that his justification boils down to a SlipperySlopeFallacy [[note]]Stating that since Jon let the Wildlings through the wall, this will all ultimately lead to the downfall of the Night's Watch.[[/note]]
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The show runners elected to double down on people's hatred of the Dorne storyline by removing the few things that were actually popular about it. Book readers especially were pissed, as Doran's death cuts off any possibility that he could be revealed to secretly be TheChessmaster like the original.his book counterpart.