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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Arya's motivations for not killing the Hound are debated quite a bit. Some figure that it was an act of spite, refusing to offer a MercyKill. Others believe that through StockholmSyndrome she had formed a real bond with him and couldn't bring herself to kill him. Season 6 confirmed it's the latter, where Arya says at that point she'd taken him off her list.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Arya's motivations for not killing the Hound are debated quite a bit. Some figure that it was an act of spite, refusing to offer a MercyKill. Others believe that through StockholmSyndrome UsefulNotes/StockholmSyndrome she had formed a real bond with him and couldn't bring herself to kill him. Season 6 confirmed it's the latter, where Arya says at that point she'd taken him off her list.
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* {{Narm}}: Jojen's death because of how overkill it is. First, he's stabbed by a wight, then Meera gives him a MercyKill with a slit throat. ''Then'' Leaf blows him up with a makeshift molotov cocktail. Thomas Brodie Sangster describes reading it on the plane over to shoot and being baffled by how it kept escalating. Almost as if they wanted to assure book readers that it was a definite DeathByAdaptation.
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* {{Narm}}: Jojen's death because of how overkill it is. First, he's stabbed by a wight, then Meera gives him a MercyKill with a slit throat. ''Then'' Leaf blows him up with a makeshift molotov Molotov cocktail. Thomas Brodie Sangster describes reading it on the plane over to shoot and being baffled by how it kept escalating. Almost as if they wanted to assure book readers that it was a definite DeathByAdaptation.
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spot for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding. All of these scenes could easily have been cut to fit more book plots that were cut or postponed to other seasons, such as the Greyjoys' plot in ''Literature/AFeastForCrows''.
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spot for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding. All of these scenes could easily have been cut to fit more book plots that were cut or postponed to other seasons, such as the Greyjoys' plot in ''Literature/AFeastForCrows''.''Literature/AFeastForCrows''.
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** Changing Tyrion's killing of Shae from a very deliberate murder on his behalf, to instead having him end up killing her in self-defense, is seen by most fans of the book as a serious watering down of his character, as it removes what was a serious edge of moral ambiguity, in favor of making him a more unambigiously heroic figure. Some have even compared it to the infamous "[[Film/ANewHope Han shot first]]" debacle.
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* {{Narm}}: Jojen's death because of how overkill it is. First he's stabbed by a wight, then Meera gives him a MercyKill with a slit throat. ''Then'' Leaf blows him up with a makeshift molotov cocktail. Thomas Brodie Sangster describes reading it on the plane over to shoot, and being baffled by how it kept escalating. Almost as if they wanted to assure book readers that it was a definite DeathByAdaptation.
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* {{Narm}}: Jojen's death because of how overkill it is. First First, he's stabbed by a wight, then Meera gives him a MercyKill with a slit throat. ''Then'' Leaf blows him up with a makeshift molotov cocktail. Thomas Brodie Sangster describes reading it on the plane over to shoot, shoot and being baffled by how it kept escalating. Almost as if they wanted to assure book readers that it was a definite DeathByAdaptation.
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** The appearance of the Three-Eyed Raven as a WizardClassic instead of the the one-eyed albino part-tree HumanoidAbomination.
** While the scene was well praised by many, the Hound-Brienne fight was seen as unnecessarily brutal and that while Brienne was given AdaptationalBadass throughout the show, having her defeat the Hound was seen as a big stretch.
** While the scene was well praised by many, the Hound-Brienne fight was seen as unnecessarily brutal and that while Brienne was given AdaptationalBadass throughout the show, having her defeat the Hound was seen as a big stretch.
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** The appearance of the Three-Eyed Raven as a WizardClassic instead of the the one-eyed albino part-tree HumanoidAbomination.
** While the scene was well praised by many, the Hound-Brienne fight was seen as unnecessarilybrutal brutal, and that while Brienne was given AdaptationalBadass throughout the show, having her defeat the Hound was seen as a big stretch.
** While the scene was well praised by many, the Hound-Brienne fight was seen as unnecessarily
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** And of course, the absence and excision of the Lady Stoneheart storyline.
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** Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters, not to mention decreasing the dramatic potential of one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding. All of these scenes could easily have been cut to fit more book plots that were cut or postponed to other seasons, such as the Greyjoys' plot in ''Literature/AFeastForCrows''.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding. All of these scenes could easily have been cut to fit more book plots that were cut or postponed to other seasons, such as the Greyjoys' plot in ''Literature/AFeastForCrows''.
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** Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime Jaime, and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters, not to mention decreasing the dramatic potential of one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a softspots spot for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding. All of these scenes could easily have been cut to fit more book plots that were cut or postponed to other seasons, such as the Greyjoys' plot in ''Literature/AFeastForCrows''.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding. All of these scenes could easily have been cut to fit more book plots that were cut or postponed to other seasons, such as the Greyjoys' plot in ''Literature/AFeastForTheCrows''.
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding. All of these scenes could easily have been cut to fit more book plots that were cut or postponed to other seasons, such as the Greyjoys' plot in ''Literature/AFeastForTheCrows''.''Literature/AFeastForCrows''.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Children of the Forest and the Skeletons fight despite the Ray Harryhausen homage was seen as distinctly less impressive than the original in ''Jason and the Argonauts''. The appearance of the Children itself was subject to a fair bit of derision, which may explain the changes made to their design on the S6.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Children of the Forest and the Skeletons fight despite the Ray Harryhausen homage was seen as distinctly less impressive than the original in ''Jason and the Argonauts''. The appearance of the Children itself was subject to a fair bit of derision, which may explain the changes made to their design on the S6.Season 6.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Although this is the last episode of what's considered the best era of ''Game of Thrones'' (Season 1-4) lots of problems that the later seasons had can be traced back to here. Mostly with adaptation changes - such as removing the Tysha revelation, killing off Jojen for no apparent reason, cutting Lady Stoneheart completely. Likewise still adapting Tyrion's murder of Shae when both their characters went in different directions from the books (Tyrion's killing her was a StartOfDarkness for him in the books, but he remains a heroic character in the series). And of course the bizarre powers the Children of the Forest were given.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Although this is the last episode of what's considered the best era of ''Game of Thrones'' (Season 1-4) 1-4), and it's considered one of the best seasons finales in the series, lots of problems that the later seasons had can already be traced back to seen here. Mostly with adaptation changes - such as removing the Tysha revelation, killing off Jojen for no apparent reason, (who is still alive in the books), the bizarre powers the Children of the Forest were given, and cutting the Lady Stoneheart completely. storyline completely (the meeting of Sandor and Brienne is the only change that was praised unanimously). Likewise still adapting Tyrion's murder of Shae when both their characters went in different directions from the books (Tyrion's books: Tyrion's killing her was a StartOfDarkness for him in the books, but he remains a heroic character in the series). And of course series, something that would have good and bad consequences for the bizarre powers the Children rest of the Forest were given.character's arc.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Children of the Forest and the Skeletons fight despite the Ray Harryhausen homage was seen as distinctly less impressive than the original in ''Jason and the Argonauts'', the appearance of the Children itself was subject to a fair bit of derision.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Perhaps the single most upsetting episode in terms of changes to the books. The main points are:
** The death of Jojen Reed when the character was still alive when last read in ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons''.
** The absence and presumed excision of Lady Stoneheart.
** And above all, excising the Tysha revelation completely, which for many takes away the power of the final Tyrion-Tywin confrontation.
** And while the scene was well praised by many, the Hound-Brienne fight was seen as unnecessarily brutal and that while Brienne was given AdaptationalBadass throughout the show, having her defeat the Hound was seen as a big stretch.
** The appearance of the Three-Eyed Raven as a WizardClassic instead of the the one-eyed albino part-tree HumanoidAbomination was also considered a major disappointment.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Perhaps the single most upsetting episode in terms of changes to the books. The main points are:
** The death of Jojen Reed when the character was still alive when last read in ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons''.
** The absence and presumed excision of Lady Stoneheart.
** And above all, excising the Tysha revelation completely, which for many takes away the power of the final Tyrion-Tywin confrontation.
** And while the scene was well praised by many, the Hound-Brienne fight was seen as unnecessarily brutal and that while Brienne was given AdaptationalBadass throughout the show, having her defeat the Hound was seen as a big stretch.
** The appearance of the Three-Eyed Raven as a WizardClassic instead of the the one-eyed albino part-tree HumanoidAbomination was also considered a major disappointment.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Children of the Forest and the Skeletons fight despite the Ray Harryhausen homage was seen as distinctly less impressive than the original in ''Jason and the Argonauts'', the Argonauts''. The appearance of the Children itself was subject to a fair bit of derision.
derision, which may explain the changes made to their design on the S6.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks:Perhaps Of the single most upsetting first four seasons, this is the episode in terms of with the most drastic changes to the book. In a way, this episode gives an indication of what the series would become in seasons 5-8, with the showrunners making more and more changes, and having to continue with the plot after going beyond the books. The main points are:
** The death of Jojen Reed when the character was still alive when last read in''Literature/ADanceWithDragons''.
''Literature/ADanceWithDragons''.
** Theabsence and presumed excision of Lady Stoneheart.
** And above all, excising the Tysha revelation completely, which for many takes away the powerappearance of the final Tyrion-Tywin confrontation.
Three-Eyed Raven as a WizardClassic instead of the the one-eyed albino part-tree HumanoidAbomination.
**And while While the scene was well praised by many, the Hound-Brienne fight was seen as unnecessarily brutal and that while Brienne was given AdaptationalBadass throughout the show, having her defeat the Hound was seen as a big stretch.
**The appearance Excising the Tysha revelation completely, which for many takes away the power of the Three-Eyed Raven as a WizardClassic instead final Tyrion-Tywin confrontation.
** And of course, thethe one-eyed albino part-tree HumanoidAbomination was also considered a major disappointment.absence and excision of Lady Stoneheart storyline.
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** The death of Jojen Reed when the character was still alive when last read in
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** Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters, not to mention ruining one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding.
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** Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters, not to mention ruining decreasing the dramatic potential of one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding. All of these scenes could easily have been cut to fit more book plots that were cut or postponed to other seasons, such as the Greyjoys' plot in ''Literature/AFeastForTheCrows''.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding. All of these scenes could easily have been cut to fit more book plots that were cut or postponed to other seasons, such as the Greyjoys' plot in ''Literature/AFeastForTheCrows''.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Arya's motivations for [[spoiler: not killing the Hound]] are debated quite a bit. Some figure that it was an act of spite, refusing to offer a MercyKill. Others believe that through StockholmSyndrome she had formed a real bond with him and couldn't bring herself to kill him. Season 6 confirmed it's the latter, where Arya says at that point she'd taken him off her list.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Arya's motivations for [[spoiler: not killing the Hound]] Hound are debated quite a bit. Some figure that it was an act of spite, refusing to offer a MercyKill. Others believe that through StockholmSyndrome she had formed a real bond with him and couldn't bring herself to kill him. Season 6 confirmed it's the latter, where Arya says at that point she'd taken him off her list.
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** The [[spoiler:death of Jojen Reed]] when the character was still alive when last read in ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons''.
** The [[spoiler:absence and presumed excision of Lady Stoneheart]].
** And above all, excising the Tysha revelation completely, which for many takes away the power of [[spoiler:the final Tyrion-Tywin confrontation.]]
** The [[spoiler:absence and presumed excision of Lady Stoneheart]].
** And above all, excising the Tysha revelation completely, which for many takes away the power of [[spoiler:the final Tyrion-Tywin confrontation.]]
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** The [[spoiler:death death of Jojen Reed]] Reed when the character was still alive when last read in ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons''.
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** And above all, excising the Tysha revelation completely, which for many takes away the power of[[spoiler:the the final Tyrion-Tywin confrontation.]]
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** The appearance of the Three-Eyed Raven as a WizardClassic instead of the [[spoiler:the the one-eyed albino part-tree HumanoidAbomination]] HumanoidAbomination was also considered a major disappointment.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Arya's motivations for [[spoiler: not killing the Hound]] are debated quite a bit. Some figure that it was an act of spite, refusing to offer a MercyKill. Others believe that through StockholmSyndrome she had formed a real bond with him and couldn't bring herself to kill him.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Arya's motivations for [[spoiler: not killing the Hound]] are debated quite a bit. Some figure that it was an act of spite, refusing to offer a MercyKill. Others believe that through StockholmSyndrome she had formed a real bond with him and couldn't bring herself to kill him. Season 6 confirmed it's the latter, where Arya says at that point she'd taken him off her list.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: Although this is the last episode of what's considered the best era of ''Game of Thrones'' (Season 1-4) lots of problems that the later seasons had can be traced back to here. Mostly with adaptation changes - such as removing the Tysha revelation, killing off Jojen for no apparent reason, cutting Lady Stoneheart completely. Likewise still adapting Tyrion's murder of Shae when both their characters went in different directions from the books (Tyrion's killing her was a StartOfDarkness for him in the books, but he remains a heroic character in the series). And of course the bizarre powers the Children of the Forest were given.
* {{Narm}}: Jojen's death because of how overkill it is. First he's stabbed by a wight, then Meera gives him a MercyKill with a slit throat. ''Then'' Leaf blows him up with a makeshift molotov cocktail. Thomas Brodie Sangster describes reading it on the plane over to shoot, and being baffled by how it kept escalating. Almost as if they wanted to assure book readers that it was a definite DeathByAdaptation.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: Although this is the last episode of what's considered the best era of ''Game of Thrones'' (Season 1-4) lots of problems that the later seasons had can be traced back to here. Mostly with adaptation changes - such as removing the Tysha revelation, killing off Jojen for no apparent reason, cutting Lady Stoneheart completely. Likewise still adapting Tyrion's murder of Shae when both their characters went in different directions from the books (Tyrion's killing her was a StartOfDarkness for him in the books, but he remains a heroic character in the series). And of course the bizarre powers the Children of the Forest were given.
* {{Narm}}: Jojen's death because of how overkill it is. First he's stabbed by a wight, then Meera gives him a MercyKill with a slit throat. ''Then'' Leaf blows him up with a makeshift molotov cocktail. Thomas Brodie Sangster describes reading it on the plane over to shoot, and being baffled by how it kept escalating. Almost as if they wanted to assure book readers that it was a definite DeathByAdaptation.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters, not to mention ruining one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
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** Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters, not to mention ruining one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
** Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters, not to mention ruining one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Arya's motivations for [[spoiler: not killing the Hound]] are debated quite a bit. Some figure that it was an act of spite, refusing to offer a MercyKill. Others believe that through StockholmSyndrome she had formed a real bond with him and couldn't bring herself to kill him.
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding.
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding.
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding.
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue which also contradicted Tyrion's previous statement of having a soft spots for "cripples, bastards, and broken things" - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Perhaps the single most upsetting episode in terms of changes to the books. The main points are:
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Perhaps the single most upsetting episode in terms of changes to the books. The main points are:
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding
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** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of paddingpadding.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters in the books, not to mention ruining one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters in the books, characters, not to mention ruining one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
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** The [[spoiler:death of Jojen Reed]] when the character was still alive when last read in ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons''. There's also the manner of his death, a bizarre fight scene with Wights and the Children of the Forest.
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* BrokenBase: Perhaps the single most upsetting episode in terms of changes to the books. The main points are:
** The [[spoiler:death of Jojen Reed]] when the character was still alive when last read in ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons''. There's also the manner of his death, a bizarre fight scene with Wights and the Children of the Forest.
** The [[spoiler:absence and presumed excision of Lady Stoneheart]].
** And above all, excising the Tysha revelation completely, which for many takes away the power of [[spoiler:the final Tyrion-Tywin confrontation.]]
** And while the scene was well praised by many, the Hound-Brienne fight was seen as unnecessarily brutal and that while Brienne was given AdaptationalBadass throughout the show, having her defeat the Hound was seen as a big stretch.
** The appearance of the Three-Eyed Raven as a WizardClassic instead of the [[spoiler:the one-eyed albino part-tree HumanoidAbomination]] was also considered a major disappointment.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Children of the Forest and the Skeletons fight despite the Ray Harryhausen homage was seen as distinctly less impressive than the original in ''Jason and the Argonauts'', the appearance of the Children itself was subject to a fair bit of derision.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters in the books, not to mention ruining one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding
** The [[spoiler:death of Jojen Reed]] when the character was still alive when last read in ''Literature/ADanceWithDragons''. There's also the manner of his death, a bizarre fight scene with Wights and the Children of the Forest.
** The [[spoiler:absence and presumed excision of Lady Stoneheart]].
** And above all, excising the Tysha revelation completely, which for many takes away the power of [[spoiler:the final Tyrion-Tywin confrontation.]]
** And while the scene was well praised by many, the Hound-Brienne fight was seen as unnecessarily brutal and that while Brienne was given AdaptationalBadass throughout the show, having her defeat the Hound was seen as a big stretch.
** The appearance of the Three-Eyed Raven as a WizardClassic instead of the [[spoiler:the one-eyed albino part-tree HumanoidAbomination]] was also considered a major disappointment.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: The Children of the Forest and the Skeletons fight despite the Ray Harryhausen homage was seen as distinctly less impressive than the original in ''Jason and the Argonauts'', the appearance of the Children itself was subject to a fair bit of derision.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Despite establishing Tysha in Season One and occasional references in Seasons 2 and 3 about Tyrion's first marriage, the show removed it completely despite having enough space to build it up over Season 4. For many it drastically alters the characters of Tyrion, Jaime and Tywin and takes away something fundamental from their characters in the books, not to mention ruining one of the most iconic moments in ''Literature/AStormOfSwords''.
** A lot of the complaints also stems from the fact that despite covering the book over two seasons, ''Game of Thrones'' still hasn't fully adapted the final threads from ''Literature/AStormOfSwords'', with many complaints directed at the original scenes and subplots in Season 4 - Locke at Castle Black, Karl Tanner, Orson Lannister monologue - that mostly served as a RedHerring and for purposes of padding