History YMMV / FullMetalJacket

18th Feb '18 8:27:02 AM YT45
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** Generally speaking, Sgt. Hartman. Tons of people seem to love Hartman, particularly military personnel... when the entire point is that he's meant to be kind of an asshole and, frankly, a somewhat poor drill instructor who doesn't understand Pyle and is ultimately out of his depth in dealing with him. [[spoiler:This character deficiency ultimately gets him and Pyle killed, and leaves mental scars on poor Joker.]]

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** Generally speaking, Sgt. Hartman. Tons of people seem to love Hartman, particularly military personnel... when the entire point is that he's meant to be kind of an asshole and, frankly, a somewhat poor drill instructor who doesn't understand Pyle and is ultimately out of his depth in dealing with him. [[spoiler:This character deficiency ultimately gets him and Pyle killed, and leaves mental scars on poor Joker.]]]] In fact, Ermey, who has been noted for having been a ''good'' Drill Instructor in real life, deliberately played Hartman as a very ''bad'' one who stays just barely close enough to the rules to avoid being caught.
10th Jul '17 4:59:38 AM SpaceDrake
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** Generally speaking, Sgt. Hartman. Tons of people seem to love Hartman, particularly military personnel... when the entire point is that he's meant to be kind of an asshole and, frankly, a somewhat poor drill instructor who doesn't understand Pyle and is ultimately completely out of his depth in dealing with him. [[spoiler:This character deficiency ultimately gets him and Pyle killed, and leaves mental scars on poor Joker.]]

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** Generally speaking, Sgt. Hartman. Tons of people seem to love Hartman, particularly military personnel... when the entire point is that he's meant to be kind of an asshole and, frankly, a somewhat poor drill instructor who doesn't understand Pyle and is ultimately completely out of his depth in dealing with him. [[spoiler:This character deficiency ultimately gets him and Pyle killed, and leaves mental scars on poor Joker.]]



** In-universe, Hartman gloats about the Marine-taught shooting prowess of Austin sniper Charles Whitman and [[WhoShotJFK Lee Harvey Oswald]]. Doubly obnoxious because Whitman's massacre would have been barely a year old by the time the movie was set. Plus, Oswald actually demonstrates piss-poor marksmanship, with one missed shot, one neck shot and one off-centre headshot when, with a 4x scope at 88 yards, Kennedy's head would have taken up the entire scope.

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** In-universe, Hartman gloats about the Marine-taught shooting prowess of Austin sniper Charles Whitman and [[WhoShotJFK Lee Harvey Oswald]]. Doubly obnoxious because Whitman's massacre would have been barely a year old by the time the movie was set. Plus, set - which, let's again remember, would be the ''point'' and the insensitivity is another sign that Hartman isn't a very good person. The problem is, most people don't even ''remember'' the Whitman massacre anymore, so it just seems like a trivia piece to modern viewers.
*** On top of this,
Oswald actually demonstrates piss-poor marksmanship, with one missed shot, one neck shot and one off-centre headshot when, with a 4x scope at 88 yards, Kennedy's head would have taken up the entire scope.
8th Jun '17 10:27:39 AM TrollBrutal
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Which drove Kubrick absolutely bonkers. Even when he tried to make war as shitty as possible, some people still got off to things like the heli gunner shooting the civilians, and the dehumanizing boot camp led by ''[[TropeCodifier the]]'' DrillSergeantNasty.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Which drove Kubrick absolutely bonkers. Even when he tried to make war as shitty as possible, some people still got off to things like the heli gunner shooting the civilians, and the dehumanizing boot camp led by ''[[TropeCodifier the]]'' DrillSergeantNasty. Creator/SamuelFuller called it "another goddamn recruiting film", believing that teenage boys going to Kubrick's picture would come out impressed and seduced by the idea of wartime combat and flouting authority.
8th Jun '17 7:44:47 AM Forenperser
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** Hartman is being as hard on the recruits as he's allowed to be, and that's '''much''' more forgiving than combat in Vietnam was. The second half of the movie adequately demonstrates this. The MisaimedFandom for this movie is anyone who thinks its either pro- '''or''' anti-war; it's just an exploration of war as a phenomenon. Hartman is a part of that phenomenon.
11th May '17 8:28:37 AM Miracle@StOlaf
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* FirstInstallmentWins: Plenty of people completely forget the second half of the film, the consensus being that the movie was better before it got to Vietnam.

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* FirstInstallmentWins: Plenty It's rare for this to happen within a single work, but the basic training portion of the film is downright iconic in pop culture, while plenty of people completely forget the second half of the film, the film. The broad consensus being is that the movie was better before it got to Vietnam.
2nd Apr '17 5:32:20 PM N8han11
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*** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc2cPuwpqTg By the time Joker finds Pyle]], Pyle's already loaded the cartridge, Joker's too far away to really grab it effectively, and given Pyle's fragile mental state, Joker doesn't want to do anything sudden to get himself shot. When Hartman comes in, Joker explains the situation to Hartman, but it's too late--either way, Hartman would've tried to approach the armed Pyle, and both would've died.
25th Feb '17 9:10:48 AM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN5bau3i570 Ruins]].
20th Feb '17 1:38:05 AM Jaro7788
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* BrokenBase: In spite of its impressive 95% score on WebOriginal/RottenTomatoes, the movie tends to be quite divisive even among Kubrick fans. While the drilling act of the story is widely considered to be one of the most memorable within the war genre, it is the general consensus that the Vietnam parts, if decent on their own right, never quite reach the intensity of the first hour (or, worse yet, fail to impress in view of [[DuelingMovies another Vietnam-themed film released a year before]], ''{{Film/Platoon}}''). Much of the criticism is levelled against the decision to make it [[HalfwayPlotSwitch almost completely unrelated to the drilling part]] and the fact that you could legitimately start watching the movie from its middle section and lose practically nothing in terms of the story. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Some speculate]] that having both [[spoiler:Hartman and Pyle survive]] and go to Vietnam together only to learn [[FireForgedFriends respect for one another over the course of fighting]] would have made for a much more memorable experience.
31st Jan '17 2:34:55 PM jeffreyloonychen
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* LoveToHate: Sergeant Hartman, due to his actor's memorable performance despite being made a HateSink by Kubrick.
23rd Jan '17 7:11:49 PM stuffedninja
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** "What is your major malfunction?" (you know the rest)



** "Me so horny. Me love you long time." (Much to the chagrin of any East Asian female walking down the street. It was even used as a sample in the 2 Live Crew song "Me So Horny" off their notorious ''As Nasty As They Wannabe'' album)

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*** "What is your major malfunction?" (you know the rest)
*** "''Holy Jesus''. What is ''THAT''? ''WHAT'' THE ''FUCK'' IS THAT?" - Hartman's reaction to finding Joker's jelly donut. Has since been repurposed to illustrate shock at other things.
** "Me so horny. Me love you long time." (Much to the chagrin of any East Asian female walking down the street. It was even used as a sample in the 2 Live Crew song "Me So Horny" off their notorious ''As Nasty As They Wannabe'' album)album.)
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