History YMMV / Frankenstein

12th Feb '17 9:42:49 AM Cieloazul
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* 'Who is the real monster?' Is it Victor for be irresponsible and neglectful to his creation and then refusing to create a companion for him, inadvertently leading to the monster killing his friends and family? Or is it the monster, for actually causing the deaths?

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* 'Who ** Who is the real monster?' monster? Is it Victor for be irresponsible and neglectful to his creation and then refusing to create a companion for him, inadvertently leading to the monster killing his friends and family? Or is it the monster, for actually causing the deaths? deaths?
** In a meta example, ''Mary Shelley herself''. When she gave birth to a premature child, her husband rejected him and instead left for an affair with Shelley's stepsister. Moreover, the character of Victor Frankenstein shares a lot of bio details with Percy Shelley, including his interest for chemistry and his experiments in college. Considering those reasons, many people have come to believe the entire story was actually an elaborated, well-argumented TakeThat from Mary to her husband.
13th Jan '17 8:06:23 AM MrReviser121
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* {{Wangst}}: Once Frankenstein starts kicking himself over having made Creature and Creature's actions, the emotions he expresses can seem so [[PurpleProse overwrought]] that they become wangst. This is especially true considering his until-now perfect life that only falls apart because of his own stupidity.

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* {{Wangst}}: Once Frankenstein starts kicking himself over having made the Creature and the Creature's actions, the emotions he expresses can seem so [[PurpleProse overwrought]] that they become wangst. This is especially true considering his until-now perfect life that only falls apart because of his own stupidity.




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* WhatAnIdiot: Victor decides to [[spoiler: destroy the body of the companion he's making for the creature]] in order to [[spoiler: prevent more monsters from being created.]] However, [[spoiler: he does this ''right in front'' of the creature,]] who we all know is capable of murder.
13th Jan '17 7:54:32 AM MrReviser121
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* 'Who is the real monster?' Is it Victor for be irresponsible and neglectful to his creation and then refusing to create a companion for him, inadvertently leading to the monster killing his friends and family? Or is it the monster, for actually causing the deaths?
31st Dec '16 12:08:57 AM Segal991
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* JerkassWoobie: The monster may have killed many people, but he has quite a sad backstory.
17th Dec '16 8:07:41 AM ironballs16
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* BrokenAesop: On the surface, the novel appears to espouse the fairly anvilicious message that humans are not supposed to play God. Victor Frankenstein himself expressly says it was wrong to create human-like life the artificial way. However the humanoid he created was much smarter, picking up language at an alarming rate, stronger, faster (in the novel at least), and (initally) more moral than most normal humans. His evil nature only grew out of his constant abuse at the hands of humans who were too terrified to give him a chance and from Victor's hatred and neglect. The tragedy is that all the bloodshed caused by the creature could easily have been avoided had Victor Frankenstein taken care of his creation instead of leaving it to die. Indeed, anything more than just cruelly abandoning the newborn confused creature would have helped greatly. He also could have put in the extra effort to make his creation look more acceptable to humans. The humans he approached could have given him a chance instead of beating him up, or the creature could have realized how horribly superficial humans are and worn a mask when he approached them. Even if Victor Frankenstein had simply kept his word to create a companion for his creature and simply rendered her infertile most of the deaths could have been averted.

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* BrokenAesop: On the surface, the novel appears to espouse the fairly anvilicious message that humans are not supposed to play God. Victor Frankenstein himself expressly says it was wrong to create human-like life the artificial way. However the humanoid he created was much smarter, picking up language at an alarming rate, stronger, faster (in the novel at least), and (initally) more moral than most normal humans. [[ThenLetMeBeEvil His evil nature only grew out of his constant abuse at the hands of humans who were too terrified to give him a chance and from Victor's hatred and neglect.neglect]]. The tragedy is that all the bloodshed caused by the creature could easily have been avoided had Victor Frankenstein taken care of his creation instead of leaving it to die. Indeed, anything more than just cruelly abandoning the newborn confused creature would have helped greatly. He also could have put in the extra effort to make his creation look more acceptable to humans. The humans he approached could have given him a chance instead of beating him up, or the creature could have realized how horribly superficial humans are and worn a mask when he approached them. Even if Victor Frankenstein had simply kept his word to create a companion for his creature and simply rendered her infertile most of the deaths could have been averted.
9th Dec '16 5:40:51 AM Potman
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: The intended Aesop of the story was not to play God, but it is very easy to - see Broken Aesop below - instead come to the conclusion of much better Aesop being to take responsibility for your actions.
25th Nov '16 7:49:04 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** And the monster is either a far bigger [[{{Woobie}} woobie]] than Victor could ever hope to be, abandoned by the only person he could possibly consider a parent, or a [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]] monster with a FreudianExcuse who needs to take responsibility for his [[RevengeByProxy actions]].

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** And the monster is either a far bigger [[{{Woobie}} [[TheWoobie woobie]] than Victor could ever hope to be, abandoned by the only person he could possibly consider a parent, or a [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]] monster with a FreudianExcuse who needs to take responsibility for his [[RevengeByProxy actions]].



** Victor Frankenstein is actually gay and his endeavor to create the idea man was his attempt to make a companion for himself and remove women from the process of reproduction. [[Film/RockyHorrorPictureShow Saaaayyyy]]...

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** Victor Frankenstein is actually gay and his endeavor to create the idea man was his attempt to make a companion for himself and remove women from the process of reproduction. [[Film/RockyHorrorPictureShow [[Film/TheRockyHorrorPictureShow Saaaayyyy]]...
28th Oct '16 1:04:18 PM dangerdan97
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** Victor Frankenstein is actually gay and his endeavor to create the idea man was his attempt to make a companion for himself and remove women from the process of reproduction.

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** Victor Frankenstein is actually gay and his endeavor to create the idea man was his attempt to make a companion for himself and remove women from the process of reproduction. [[Film/RockyHorrorPictureShow Saaaayyyy]]...
24th Aug '16 11:46:43 AM NOYB
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** Not to mention the way that Walton goes on about how perfect Victor is and how he adores him.
10th Aug '16 6:24:13 PM Afununupa
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* BrokenAesop: The fairly anvilicious message is that humans are not supposed to play God and Victor Frankenstein expressly says it was wrong to create human-like life the artificial way. However the humanoid he created was much smarter (learning language very quickly for instance), stronger, quicker (not in the films, but in the book) and more moral (despite raised without guidance, he had an innate desire to belong and do good for the greater community, the monster becomes vengeful only after consistently being persecuted for no reason -a human treated like that would have been vengeful pretty much immediately) than any human life he could have created the regular way. The tragedy that unfolds easily have been avoided: Victor Frankenstein could have put a bit of effort into making his creature look acceptable to humans, he taken care of his creation (anything more than just cruelly abandoning the newborn confused creature would have helped greatly), if the humans he approached had not been such complete dicks, if the monster had realized how horribly superficial humans are and worn a mask when he approached them or if Victor Frankenstein had agreed to create a companion for his creature (but left her without a functional uterus if he is really worried about his creatures having children).

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* BrokenAesop: The On the surface, the novel appears to espouse the fairly anvilicious message is that humans are not supposed to play God and God. Victor Frankenstein himself expressly says it was wrong to create human-like life the artificial way. However the humanoid he created was much smarter (learning smarter, picking up language very quickly for instance), at an alarming rate, stronger, quicker (not in faster (in the films, but in the book) novel at least), and (initally) more moral (despite raised without guidance, he had an innate desire to belong and do good for the greater community, the monster becomes vengeful than most normal humans. His evil nature only after consistently being persecuted for no reason -a human treated like that would have been vengeful pretty much immediately) than any human life he could have created grew out of his constant abuse at the regular way. hands of humans who were too terrified to give him a chance and from Victor's hatred and neglect. The tragedy is that unfolds all the bloodshed caused by the creature could easily have been avoided: avoided had Victor Frankenstein could have put a bit of effort into making his creature look acceptable to humans, he taken care of his creation (anything instead of leaving it to die. Indeed, anything more than just cruelly abandoning the newborn confused creature would have helped greatly), if greatly. He also could have put in the extra effort to make his creation look more acceptable to humans. The humans he approached had not been such complete dicks, if could have given him a chance instead of beating him up, or the monster had creature could have realized how horribly superficial humans are and worn a mask when he approached them or them. Even if Victor Frankenstein had agreed simply kept his word to create a companion for his creature (but left and simply rendered her without a functional uterus if he is really worried about his creatures having children).infertile most of the deaths could have been averted.



* CryForTheDevil: The last section of the book demonstrates that the Creature was formed by his surroundings, rather than born evil.

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* CryForTheDevil: The last section creature's lament at the end of the book novel demonstrates that he still has the Creature capability to feel remorse for his actions and that he was formed by his surroundings, rather than born evil.



* HoYay: Victor's describes Henry Clerval in a way someone would describe their love interest. Heck, his description of Henry is more thorough than those of his fiancée, Elizabeth. [[spoiler:And he reacts to Henry's murder more strongly than Elizabeth's murder, too! When Elizabeth gets murdered, he is 'merely' heartbroken, much like with William. When he find out Henry is dead, he goes into hysterics and is bedridden with a deadly fever for 2 months!]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Sad backstory aside, it becomes increasingly difficult to sympathize with the creature once he starts racking up the monster points [[spoiler:by taking vengeance on Victor's innocent and completely clueless family members.]]

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* HoYay: Victor's describes Henry Clerval in a way someone would describe their love interest. Heck, his description of Henry is more thorough than those of his fiancée, Elizabeth. [[spoiler:And he reacts to Henry's murder more strongly than Elizabeth's murder, too! When Elizabeth gets murdered, he is 'merely' heartbroken, much like with William. When he find out Henry is dead, he goes into hysterics and is bedridden with a deadly fever for 2 months!]]
months!]] This is in addition to the fact that Victor's main beef with his creation is that he wasn't as hot as he wanted him to be. His entire experiment could be read as an attempt to make the perfect male partner for himself.
* MoralEventHorizon: Sad backstory aside, In spite of his tragic backstory, it becomes increasingly difficult to sympathize with the creature once he starts racking up the monster points [[spoiler:by taking vengeance on Victor's innocent and completely clueless family members.]]



* {{Wangst}}: Once Frankenstein starts kicking himself over having made Creature and Creature's actions, the emotions he expresses can seem so [[PurpleProse overwrought]] that they become wangst.

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* {{Wangst}}: Once Frankenstein starts kicking himself over having made Creature and Creature's actions, the emotions he expresses can seem so [[PurpleProse overwrought]] that they become wangst. This is especially true considering his until-now perfect life that only falls apart because of his own stupidity.




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** The creature has shades of this as well. Although he is a much more sympathetic character than Victor considering his harsh upbringing, he continues to play the victim even as he's picking of Victor's innocent loved ones. After a while, one can only shed so many tears for his fate.
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