History YMMV / Frankenstein

24th Aug '16 11:46:43 AM NOYB
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** Not to mention the way that Walton goes on about how perfect Victor is and how he adores him.
10th Aug '16 6:24:13 PM Afununupa
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* BrokenAesop: The fairly anvilicious message is that humans are not supposed to play God and Victor Frankenstein expressly says it was wrong to create human-like life the artificial way. However the humanoid he created was much smarter (learning language very quickly for instance), stronger, quicker (not in the films, but in the book) and more moral (despite raised without guidance, he had an innate desire to belong and do good for the greater community, the monster becomes vengeful only after consistently being persecuted for no reason -a human treated like that would have been vengeful pretty much immediately) than any human life he could have created the regular way. The tragedy that unfolds easily have been avoided: Victor Frankenstein could have put a bit of effort into making his creature look acceptable to humans, he taken care of his creation (anything more than just cruelly abandoning the newborn confused creature would have helped greatly), if the humans he approached had not been such complete dicks, if the monster had realized how horribly superficial humans are and worn a mask when he approached them or if Victor Frankenstein had agreed to create a companion for his creature (but left her without a functional uterus if he is really worried about his creatures having children).

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* BrokenAesop: The On the surface, the novel appears to espouse the fairly anvilicious message is that humans are not supposed to play God and God. Victor Frankenstein himself expressly says it was wrong to create human-like life the artificial way. However the humanoid he created was much smarter (learning smarter, picking up language very quickly for instance), at an alarming rate, stronger, quicker (not in faster (in the films, but in the book) novel at least), and (initally) more moral (despite raised without guidance, he had an innate desire to belong and do good for the greater community, the monster becomes vengeful than most normal humans. His evil nature only after consistently being persecuted for no reason -a human treated like that would have been vengeful pretty much immediately) than any human life he could have created grew out of his constant abuse at the regular way. hands of humans who were too terrified to give him a chance and from Victor's hatred and neglect. The tragedy is that unfolds all the bloodshed caused by the creature could easily have been avoided: avoided had Victor Frankenstein could have put a bit of effort into making his creature look acceptable to humans, he taken care of his creation (anything instead of leaving it to die. Indeed, anything more than just cruelly abandoning the newborn confused creature would have helped greatly), if greatly. He also could have put in the extra effort to make his creation look more acceptable to humans. The humans he approached had not been such complete dicks, if could have given him a chance instead of beating him up, or the monster had creature could have realized how horribly superficial humans are and worn a mask when he approached them or them. Even if Victor Frankenstein had agreed simply kept his word to create a companion for his creature (but left and simply rendered her without a functional uterus if he is really worried about his creatures having children).infertile most of the deaths could have been averted.



* CryForTheDevil: The last section of the book demonstrates that the Creature was formed by his surroundings, rather than born evil.

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* CryForTheDevil: The last section creature's lament at the end of the book novel demonstrates that he still has the Creature capability to feel remorse for his actions and that he was formed by his surroundings, rather than born evil.



* HoYay: Victor's describes Henry Clerval in a way someone would describe their love interest. Heck, his description of Henry is more thorough than those of his fiancée, Elizabeth. [[spoiler:And he reacts to Henry's murder more strongly than Elizabeth's murder, too! When Elizabeth gets murdered, he is 'merely' heartbroken, much like with William. When he find out Henry is dead, he goes into hysterics and is bedridden with a deadly fever for 2 months!]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Sad backstory aside, it becomes increasingly difficult to sympathize with the creature once he starts racking up the monster points [[spoiler:by taking vengeance on Victor's innocent and completely clueless family members.]]

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* HoYay: Victor's describes Henry Clerval in a way someone would describe their love interest. Heck, his description of Henry is more thorough than those of his fiancée, Elizabeth. [[spoiler:And he reacts to Henry's murder more strongly than Elizabeth's murder, too! When Elizabeth gets murdered, he is 'merely' heartbroken, much like with William. When he find out Henry is dead, he goes into hysterics and is bedridden with a deadly fever for 2 months!]]
months!]] This is in addition to the fact that Victor's main beef with his creation is that he wasn't as hot as he wanted him to be. His entire experiment could be read as an attempt to make the perfect male partner for himself.
* MoralEventHorizon: Sad backstory aside, In spite of his tragic backstory, it becomes increasingly difficult to sympathize with the creature once he starts racking up the monster points [[spoiler:by taking vengeance on Victor's innocent and completely clueless family members.]]



* {{Wangst}}: Once Frankenstein starts kicking himself over having made Creature and Creature's actions, the emotions he expresses can seem so [[PurpleProse overwrought]] that they become wangst.

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* {{Wangst}}: Once Frankenstein starts kicking himself over having made Creature and Creature's actions, the emotions he expresses can seem so [[PurpleProse overwrought]] that they become wangst. This is especially true considering his until-now perfect life that only falls apart because of his own stupidity.




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** The creature has shades of this as well. Although he is a much more sympathetic character than Victor considering his harsh upbringing, he continues to play the victim even as he's picking of Victor's innocent loved ones. After a while, one can only shed so many tears for his fate.
10th Aug '16 5:57:50 PM Afununupa
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** Either Victor Frankenstein is a tragic and naive scientist who - in his enthusiasm - bit more off than he could chew and paid a horrible price and suffered too much for it and has every right to be emo about it OR selfish asshole who tried to keep his PR clean by abandoning the monster and got what was coming to him and he's being whiny about it.
** And the monster is either a far bigger woobie than Vic could ever hope to be, abandoned by the only person he could possibly consider a parent, or a [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]] monster with a FreudianExcuse who needs to take responsibility for his [[RevengeByProxy actions]].

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** Either Victor Frankenstein is either a tragic and naive scientist who - who, in his enthusiasm - enthusiasm, bit more off than he could chew and paid a horrible terribly high price and suffered too much for it and has every right to be emo emotional about it it, OR a selfish asshole who tried to keep his PR clean reputation in tact by abandoning the monster and got what was coming to him and he's being whiny about it.
things that are entirely his fault.
** And the monster is either a far bigger woobie [[{{Woobie}} woobie]] than Vic Victor could ever hope to be, abandoned by the only person he could possibly consider a parent, or a [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]] monster with a FreudianExcuse who needs to take responsibility for his [[RevengeByProxy actions]].


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** Victor Frankenstein is actually gay and his endeavor to create the idea man was his attempt to make a companion for himself and remove women from the process of reproduction.
28th Apr '16 3:31:09 PM DoctorCooper
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* LostInImitation: Sadly. The original was a ScienceFiction novel, almost all of the adaptations were GothicHorror.

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* LostInImitation: Sadly. The original was a ScienceFiction novel, almost all of the adaptations were GothicHorror.



* ItGetsBetter: The first few chapters detail the back story of the sea captain who met the titular Doctor on his expedition to find the North Pole. If you didn't know that the novel was a Story Within a Story (Within a Story) you would read the opening thinking "Get to the unholy abominations against nature, already!"
** There's a long segment where the Monster watches a family for about a year - his yearning for a mate comes from the young man being betrothed to [[LikesOlderWomen an older woman from some exotic place]], as well as his identification with Adam's desire for a mate in Milton's ''Paradise Lost''.



* SlowPacedBeginning: The first few chapters detail the back story of the sea captain who met the titular Doctor on his expedition to find the North Pole. If you didn't know that the novel was a Story Within a Story (Within a Story) you would read the opening thinking "Get to the unholy abominations against nature, already!"
** There's a long segment where the Monster watches a family for about a year - his yearning for a mate comes from the young man being betrothed to [[LikesOlderWomen an older woman from some exotic place]], as well as his identification with Adam's desire for a mate in Milton's ''Paradise Lost''.



* UncannyValley: An in-unverse example: Frankenstein explains that not only did he make the Creature out of dead body parts, he had to make him 8 feet tall to wire together all the smaller blood veins. The result is a monster that everyone is scared of at first glance, including the creature itself.



* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: The Monster, feared and hated by all and left to wander the world alone. So he kills people. Lots of people.

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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: The Monster, feared and hated by all and left to wander the world alone. So he kills people. Lots of people.
12th Apr '16 5:29:59 AM monkeysrool75
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**The monster is nothing but a figment of Victor's imagination, embodying everything bad in himself.
31st Mar '16 11:07:17 AM ThraggLootrippa
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** Once he made the Creature, almost every inner monologue or conversation is Frankenstein going "woe is me" at length. This goes on for the rest of the book and never stops. It sails past "sympathetic" to just plain "pathetic".
22nd Dec '15 7:58:12 AM MagBas
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* [[MarySue Mary Sue]]/[[MartyStu Marty Stu]]: To some readers, Frankenstein grows up in an entire family of these. Until Elizabeth catches scarlet fever, there is no conflict in the family, and Frankenstein even says "No human being could have passed a happier childhood than myself."
** PuritySue: Elizabeth is ''too'' good of a person to some readers. She is described as having a "saintly soul" and "the living spirit of love to soften and attract."
24th Sep '15 6:13:59 PM _____________
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** And the monster is either a far bigger woobie than Vic could ever hope to be, abandoned by the only person he could possibly consider a parent, or a [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]] monster with a FreudianExcuse who needs to take responsibility for his [[RevengeByProxy actions]]?

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** And the monster is either a far bigger woobie than Vic could ever hope to be, abandoned by the only person he could possibly consider a parent, or a [[{{Wangst}} wangsty]] monster with a FreudianExcuse who needs to take responsibility for his [[RevengeByProxy actions]]? actions]].


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* [[MarySue Mary Sue]]/[[MartyStu Marty Stu]]: To some readers, Frankenstein grows up in an entire family of these. Until Elizabeth catches scarlet fever, there is no conflict in the family, and Frankenstein even says "No human being could have passed a happier childhood than myself."
** PuritySue: Elizabeth is ''too'' good of a person to some readers. She is described as having a "saintly soul" and "the living spirit of love to soften and attract."
20th Aug '15 1:48:31 PM _____________
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* {{Anvilicious}}: That science in general and creating life specifically is hubris and fundamentally flawed is heavyhandedly hammered into the reader. [[BrokenAesop It doesn't really work]], the story doesn't support such a conclusion. A modern, thinking reader is more inclined to conclude "don't abandon your kid, particularly if he is socially handicapped" than "science is hubris" from this story.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: That science in general and creating life specifically is hubris and fundamentally flawed is heavyhandedly hammered into the reader. [[BrokenAesop It doesn't really work]], work]]; the story doesn't support such a conclusion. A modern, thinking reader is more inclined to conclude "don't abandon your kid, particularly if he is socially handicapped" than "science is hubris" from this story.
20th Aug '15 1:47:42 PM _____________
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* {{Wangst}}: Once Frankenstein starts kicking himself over having made Creature and Creature's actions, the emotions he expresses can seem so overwrought that they become wangst.

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* {{Wangst}}: Once Frankenstein starts kicking himself over having made Creature and Creature's actions, the emotions he expresses can seem so overwrought [[PurpleProse overwrought]] that they become wangst.
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