History YMMV / FireEmblemTheSacredStones

28th May '17 8:19:43 AM MayIncon
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** The game as a whole became a lot more popular after the release of ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'', going from one of the biggest cases of ContestedSequel in the series to near SacredCow levels in some sectors of the fandom. While the plot is still considered mostly cliché, it's still seen as well-written with good characters, and as ''Gaiden'', the inspiration for the above-mentioned controversial mechanics, ''also'' experienced a VindicatedByHistory surge, the gameplay became a lot more liked.

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** The game as a whole became a lot more popular after the release of ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'', going from one of the biggest cases of ContestedSequel in the series to near SacredCow levels in some sectors of the fandom. While the plot is still considered mostly cliché, it's still seen as well-written with good characters, and as ''Gaiden'', the inspiration for the above-mentioned controversial mechanics, ''also'' experienced a VindicatedByHistory surge, surge with the help of a remake, the gameplay became a lot more liked.
23rd Apr '17 5:45:03 AM MayIncon
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** Eirika's growths and bases are almost dead on with [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Elibe's]] Lyndis.

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** Eirika's growths and bases are almost dead on with [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Elibe's]] ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Blade's]]'' Lyndis.
21st Apr '17 8:03:36 PM Noonli
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* {{Narm}}: Ewan's color palette is quite colorful compared to other Shaman from past games.
[[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/4/4b/Ewan_druid_magic.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110420231339 This makes him look ridiculous when he's a Druid]].

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* {{Narm}}: Ewan's color palette is quite colorful compared to other Shaman from past games.
games. [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/4/4b/Ewan_druid_magic.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110420231339 This makes him look ridiculous when he's a Druid]].
20th Apr '17 8:54:46 PM WaxingName
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* HilariousInHindsight: Ephraim states he would rather be "traveling the land as a mercenary", and Eirika chides him for it. During the game, Eirika is pretending to be a mercenary leader.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Ephraim states he would rather be "traveling the land as a mercenary", and Eirika chides him for it. During the game, Eirika is pretending to be a mercenary leader.leader.
** In their C support, Ephraim attempts to comfort Eirika by stroking her face. Years down the line, ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fates]]'' would feature an infamous relationship-building minigame centered on stroking various units' faces which was exclusive to Japan.
19th Apr '17 7:07:41 PM Ninplanet123
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** When the Nintendo3DS rerelease came around, there was some minor consternation over whether ''The Sacred Stones'' was really the best GBA representative for the franchise. Most of the people who were complaining wished for ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade Blazing Blade]]'' instead.

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** When the Nintendo3DS rerelease came around, there was some minor consternation over whether ''The Sacred Stones'' was really the best GBA representative for the franchise. Most of the people who were complaining wished for ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Blade]]'' instead.



** [[spoiler:Gameplay-wise Morva is a slightly weaker version of the Fire Dragon from the end of ''Blazing Blade'' and can be beaten with the same tactics.]]

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** [[spoiler:Gameplay-wise Morva is a slightly weaker version of the Fire Dragon from the end of ''Blazing ''The Blazing Blade'' and can be beaten with the same tactics.]]
19th Apr '17 7:06:29 PM Ninplanet123
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* AntiClimaxBoss: You will have a bunch of weapons that are super effective against the final boss and if you train the right characters to use them, you can kill him fairly quickly.
** Also, Valter goes down way too easily and without much ado for someone who's been a major threat for about three quarters of the game.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: AntiClimaxBoss:
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You will have a bunch of weapons that are super effective against the final boss and if you train the right characters to use them, you can kill him fairly quickly.
** Also, Valter goes down way too easily and without much ado for someone who's been a major threat for about three quarters of the game. This is especially glaring when you consider he's fought in the same map as [[ThatOneBoss Caellach]].



** L'Arachel is one of the most popular characters in all of ''Sacred Stones'', thanks to her hilarious delusions of grandeur, devoted belief in justice, wacky personality, and pretty design.

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** L'Arachel is one of the most popular characters in all of ''Sacred ''The Sacred Stones'', thanks to her hilarious delusions of grandeur, devoted belief in justice, wacky personality, and pretty design.



* HilariousInHindsight: Ephraim states he would rather be "traveling the land as a mercenary", and Eirika chides him for it. During the game, Erika is pretending to be a mercenary leader.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Ephraim states he would rather be "traveling the land as a mercenary", and Eirika chides him for it. During the game, Erika Eirika is pretending to be a mercenary leader.



*** Though to be fair, fans could only pick one character to support. Most of Awakening's fans and Chrom's would-be supporters during his matchup with Ephraim were over in the other bracket helping Lucina grind Erika into a fine paste.

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*** Though to be fair, fans could only pick one character to support. Most of Awakening's fans and Chrom's would-be supporters during his matchup with Ephraim were over in the other bracket helping Lucina grind Erika Eirika into a fine paste.
7th Apr '17 2:19:21 AM BreakinBenny
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** Innes is either a {{Jerkass}} or a JerkWithAHeartOfGold depending on who you talk to.

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** Innes is either a {{Jerkass}} {{jerkass}} or a JerkWithAHeartOfGold depending on who you talk to.



** [[spoiler:Gameplay-wise Morva is a slightly weaker version of the Fire Dragon from the end of ''Blazing Sword'' and can be beaten with the same tactics.]]

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** [[spoiler:Gameplay-wise Morva is a slightly weaker version of the Fire Dragon from the end of ''Blazing Sword'' Blade'' and can be beaten with the same tactics.]]



** Gheb was just some random {{Gonk}} that takes little to no difficulty to kill, but the fandom sees him as a MemeticMolester who stabs others to death with his penis.
** Lute is also definitely one of the more popular mages among the whole of FE-dom, thanks to her odd habits, her endearing braggadocio, and the related fact that [[LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards she can back that boasting up with results]]. (Her married endings being adorable are also a plus.)
** L'Arachel is one of the most popular characters in all of Sacred Stones, thanks to her hilarious delusions of grandeur, devoted belief in justice, wacky personality, and pretty design.

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** Gheb was just some random {{Gonk}} {{gonk}} that takes little to no difficulty to kill, but the fandom sees him as a MemeticMolester who stabs others to death with his penis.
** Lute is also definitely one of the more popular mages among magesin the whole of FE-dom, fandom, thanks to her odd habits, her endearing braggadocio, and the related fact that [[LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards she can back that boasting up with results]]. (Her married endings being adorable are also a plus.)
** L'Arachel is one of the most popular characters in all of Sacred Stones, ''Sacred Stones'', thanks to her hilarious delusions of grandeur, devoted belief in justice, wacky personality, and pretty design. design.



* GoodBadBug: The Gorgons' Stone spell is treated as a regular Dark Magic spell rather than a monster-exclusive attack, but it lacks a proper weapon level, so if acquired via hacking or the enemy control glitch, it can be used by ''any'' of your units ''except'' Myrrh. As there are no E-ranked Dark Magic tomes in the game, it takes 8 uses of the Stone spell to permanently teach a unit Dark Magic. This is primarily used to give [[SpoonyBard Tethys]] attacking capabilities and allow Sages access to all four types of magic.

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* GoodBadBug: The Gorgons' Stone spell is treated as a regular Dark Magic spell rather than a monster-exclusive attack, but it lacks a proper weapon level, so if acquired via hacking or the enemy control glitch, it can be used by ''any'' of your units ''except'' Myrrh. As there are no E-ranked Dark Magic tomes in the this game, it takes 8 uses of the Stone spell to permanently teach a unit Dark Magic. This is primarily used to give [[SpoonyBard Tethys]] attacking capabilities and allow Sages access to all four types of magic.



* {{Narm}}: Ewan's color palette is quite colorful compared to other Shaman from past games. [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/4/4b/Ewan_druid_magic.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110420231339 This makes him look ridiculous when he's a Druid]].
* NeverLiveItDown: Much of Eirika's BaseBreakingCharacter status comes from [[spoiler:her being tricked into giving the Sacred Stone of Renais to the Demon King-posessed Lyon, resulting in its destruction.]] ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' DLC even aludes to this by having Old Hubba claim Eirika was "quite naive. Gullible, even".

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* {{Narm}}: Ewan's color palette is quite colorful compared to other Shaman from past games.games.
[[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/4/4b/Ewan_druid_magic.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110420231339 This makes him look ridiculous when he's a Druid]].
* NeverLiveItDown: Much of Eirika's BaseBreakingCharacter status comes from [[spoiler:her being tricked into giving the Sacred Stone of Renais to the Demon King-posessed Lyon, resulting in its destruction.]] The ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' DLC even aludes to this by having Old Hubba claim Eirika was "quite naive. Gullible, even".



** Caellach can be notoriously hard to defeat. He has a close-combat axe... AND a hand-axe. He hits like a damn truck with either one of them, and not even the Lords will survive at Lvl. 20. You have two options: hope that one of your units survive his attacks, or take the easy path by summoning mooks to slowly waste the uses for his hand-axe to THEN bombard him with magic from far away. Also, his in-story rival, Joshua, is a [[CriticalHitClass myrmidon/swordmaster]], and Caellach comes equipped with a [[NoSell Hoplon Guard]], which prevents critical attacks. That being said, there is a simple way to defeat Caellach with Joshua. [[CuttingTheKnot Bring a thief to steal his Hoplon Guard]].
** Carlyle on Eirika's route may be even more annoying. He's a Swordmaster, so that automatically means high speed, hit, and avoid. Avoid which is boosted by the throne he's on. Good luck hitting him, and there's no way you're doubling without powerlevelling Joshua or Colm. Both of whom will probably go down in two to three hits. And he has a crit bonus. And a 2-range sword (though he cannot critical at range because of his weapon).
** Fighting him is optional, but those trying to finish Eirika's Chapter 13 early are going to have a ''really'' hard time with Aias. He's a [[StoneWall Great Knight]] on a Fort (heals every turn, plus a defence bonus) with enough Con not to be weighed down by his weapons, so doubling him is surprisingly hard. And his assortment of weapons is ''terrifying'': in addition to a 1-2 range spear (to threaten Mages trying to bypass his defence), he also has a Silver Blade (one of the strongest swords in the game) and a ''Swordslayer'' (an axe that not only reverses the weapon triangle, but deals bonus damage to sword-wielders). His class may make him weak to both armour and cavalry-slaying weapons, but all those but the Armourslayer have unreliable accuracy, made even worse by him being on a fort. And those using Armourslayers will risk getting oneshotted by his Swordslayer. Even though he is also weak to magic, you have to hope that whichever magic users you send against him will be able to either dodge his attacks or be able to tank at least one. The writers seemed well aware of this, since his death quote is [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall praising Renais' tactician for managing to beat him]].

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** Caellach can be notoriously hard to defeat. He has a close-combat axe... AND a hand-axe. He hits like a damn truck with either one of them, and not even the Lords will survive at Lvl. 20. You have two options: hope that one of your units survive his attacks, or take the easy path by summoning mooks to slowly waste the uses for his hand-axe to THEN bombard him with magic from far away. Also, his in-story rival, Joshua, is a [[CriticalHitClass myrmidon/swordmaster]], Myrmidon/Swordmaster]], and Caellach comes equipped with a [[NoSell Hoplon Guard]], which prevents critical attacks. That being said, there is a simple way to defeat Caellach with Joshua. [[CuttingTheKnot Bring a thief to steal his Hoplon Guard]].
** Carlyle on Eirika's route may be even more annoying. He's a Swordmaster, so that automatically means high speed, hit, and avoid. Avoid which is boosted by the throne he's on. Good luck hitting him, and there's no way you're doubling without powerlevelling Joshua or Colm. Both of whom will probably go down in two to three hits. And he has a crit bonus. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And a 2-range sword (though he cannot critical at range because of his weapon).
weapon)]].
** Fighting him is optional, but those trying to finish Eirika's Chapter 13 early are going to have a ''really'' hard time with Aias. He's a [[StoneWall Great Knight]] on a Fort (heals every turn, plus a defence bonus) with enough Con not to be weighed down by his weapons, so doubling him is surprisingly hard. And his assortment of weapons is ''terrifying'': in addition to a 1-2 range spear (to threaten Mages trying to bypass his defence), he also has a Silver Blade (one of the strongest swords in the game) and a ''Swordslayer'' (an axe that not only reverses the weapon triangle, but deals bonus damage to sword-wielders). His class may make him weak to both armour and cavalry-slaying weapons, but all those but the Armourslayer have unreliable accuracy, made even worse by him being on a fort. And those using Armourslayers will risk getting oneshotted by his Swordslayer. Even though he is also weak to magic, you have to hope that whichever magic users magicians you send against him will be able to either dodge his attacks or be able to tank at least one. The writers seemed well aware of this, since his death quote is [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall praising Renais' tactician for managing to beat him]].



** The GhostShip on Hard Mode. Holy shit. This map throws everything under the kitchen sink and then some at you in one giant onslaught of enemies, so you need to choke the crossing points between the two bridges. That's not so bad on its own, but then there are Gargoyles coming at you from all directions. [[DemonicSpiders Not only are they capable of bypassing your defensive units to pick off vulnerable ones (being fliers and all), they hit like trucks]]. It gets worse after a few turns, in which two recruitable [=NPCs=], L'Arachel (a defenseless healer) and Dozla (who lacks a ranged weapon) show up on the other side of the map where Mogalls can chip away at their health. [[ArtificialStupidity Dozla's determination to ignore the most dangerous units doesn't help matters]], so unless you've been grinding like a madman, they'll likely die before you can reach them. Worst of all, there's FogOfWar. Have fun.
** And after that, there's Landing at Taizel, which isn't quite as difficult, but still a pain in the ass. Part of the problem with this level is that, while you do get to save beforehand, you don't get to go back to the world map in between. So if you needed to do some LevelGrinding? ''Too bad''!

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** The GhostShip on Hard Mode. Holy shit. This map throws everything under the kitchen sink and then some at you in one giant onslaught of enemies, so you need to choke the crossing points between the two bridges. That's not so bad on its own, but then there are Gargoyles coming at you from all directions. [[DemonicSpiders Not only are they capable of bypassing your defensive units to pick off vulnerable ones (being fliers and all), they hit like trucks]]. trucks]]! [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse after a few turns, turns]], in which two recruitable [=NPCs=], [=NPCs=]; L'Arachel (a defenseless healer) and Dozla (who lacks a ranged weapon) show up on the other side of the map where Mogalls can chip away at their health. [[ArtificialStupidity Dozla's determination to ignore the most dangerous units doesn't help matters]], so unless you've been grinding like a madman, they'll likely die before you can reach them. Worst of all, there's FogOfWar. [[SarcasmMode Have fun.
fun!]]
** And after that, there's Landing at Taizel, which isn't quite as difficult, but still a pain in the ass. Part of the problem with this level is that, while you do get to save beforehand, you don't get to go back to the world map in between. So if you needed to do some LevelGrinding? ''Too bad''!''T-O-O B-A-D''!



* TierInducedScrappy: While loved as a plot character, Knoll is HATED as a playable one for his poor stats and the general weakness of dark magic in this game. Summoners in general are considered the worst overall class, too, though careful use of their summons can prove surprisingly effective.

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* TierInducedScrappy: While loved as a plot character, Knoll is HATED as a playable one for his poor stats and the general weakness of dark magic in this game. Summoners in general are considered the worst overall class, too, [[BoringButPractical though careful use of their summons can prove surprisingly effective.]]



** A lot of the more controversial elements that were criticized as making the game [[ItsEasySoItSucks too easy]] [[note]] easy level grinding, being able to revisit old maps [[/note]] were adopted into ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'', whose NewbieBoom will define FireEmblem for the foreseeable future.
** The game as a whole became a lot more popular after the release of ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'', going from one of the biggest cases of ContestedSequel in the series to near SacredCow levels in some sectors of the fandom. While the plot is still considered mostly cliched, it's still seen as well-written with good characters, and as ''Gaiden'', the inspiration for the above-mentioned controversial mechanics, ''also'' experienced a VindicatedByHistory surge, the gameplay became a lot more liked.
** Eirika and Ephraim as well. While they're still [[BaseBreakingCharacter base-breaking]], both performed very well in the Voting Gauntlet in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'', with Eirika curb-stomping [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Elise]] and Ephraim managing a ''very'' close victory over [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Chrom]], the Lord of the most popular game in the series. Considering Eirika used to be among the most reviled Lords in the series and Ephraim had a lot of detractors, this says something.
*** Though to be fair, fans could only pick one character to support. Most of Awakening's fans and Chrom's would-be supporters during his matchup with Ephraim were over in the other bracket helping Lucina grind Erika into fine paste.

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** A lot of the more controversial elements that were criticized as making the game [[ItsEasySoItSucks too easy]] [[note]] easy [[note]]easy level grinding, being able to revisit old maps [[/note]] maps[[/note]] were adopted into ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'', whose NewbieBoom will define FireEmblem for the foreseeable future.
future.
** The game as a whole became a lot more popular after the release of ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'', going from one of the biggest cases of ContestedSequel in the series to near SacredCow levels in some sectors of the fandom. While the plot is still considered mostly cliched, cliché, it's still seen as well-written with good characters, and as ''Gaiden'', the inspiration for the above-mentioned controversial mechanics, ''also'' experienced a VindicatedByHistory surge, the gameplay became a lot more liked.
liked.
** Eirika and Ephraim as well. While they're still [[BaseBreakingCharacter base-breaking]], both performed very well made a pretty good performance in the Voting Gauntlet in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'', with Eirika curb-stomping [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Elise]] and Ephraim managing a ''very'' close victory over [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Chrom]], the Lord of the most popular game in the series. Considering Eirika used to be among the most reviled Lords in the series and Ephraim had a lot of detractors, this says something.
something.
*** Though to be fair, fans could only pick one character to support. Most of Awakening's fans and Chrom's would-be supporters during his matchup with Ephraim were over in the other bracket helping Lucina grind Erika into a fine paste.



** This has become worse ever since ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' has her in the Bride class, despite still being a fighter on top of a staff user. Even more baseless because you can download a version of Eirika ''that is still a 100% Swordswoman'' (more exactly a myrmidon, which makes sense since her Lord class is VERY similar to it), so the above "Bride Eirika" is an optional event that can be taken or not.

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** This has become worse ever since ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' has her in the Bride class, despite still being a fighter on top of a staff user. Even more baseless because you can download a version of Eirika ''that is still a 100% Swordswoman'' (more exactly a myrmidon, Myrmidon, which makes sense since her Lord class is VERY similar to it), so the above "Bride Eirika" is an optional event that can be taken or not.
6th Apr '17 3:17:04 PM Karxrida
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* GoodBadBug: The Gorgons' Stone spell is treated as a regular Dark Magic spell rather than a monster-exclusive attack, but it lacks a proper weapon level, so if acquired via hacking or the enemy control glitch, it can be used by ''any'' of your units ''except'' Myrrh. As there are no E-ranked Dark Magic tomes in the game, it takes 8 uses of the Stone spell to permanently teach a unit Dark Magic. This is primarily used to give [[SpoonyBard Tethys]] attacking capabilities and allow Sages access to all four types of magic.
2nd Apr '17 9:44:20 AM SSky
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*** Though to be fair, fans could only pick one character to support. Most of Awakening's fans and Chrom's would-be supporters during his matchup with Ephraim were over in the other bracket helping Lucina grind Erika into fine paste.
28th Mar '17 9:57:30 AM GreatDane112
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** When the Nintendo3DS rerelease came around, there was some minor consternation over whether ''The Sacred Stones'' was really the best GBA representative for the franchise. Most of the people who were complaining wished for ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Blazing Sword]]'' instead.

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** When the Nintendo3DS rerelease came around, there was some minor consternation over whether ''The Sacred Stones'' was really the best GBA representative for the franchise. Most of the people who were complaining wished for ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade Blazing Sword]]'' Blade]]'' instead.
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