History YMMV / FireEmblemTheSacredStones

16th Nov '17 5:19:29 AM ChrisX
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** Lute is also definitely one of the more popular mages in the fandom, thanks to her odd habits, her endearing braggadocio, and the related fact that [[LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards she can back that boasting up with results]]. (Her married endings being adorable are also a plus.) Her popularity rose further thanks to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnNemokPEIQ a parody video]] showcasing her awesomeness in a memetic way going super viral that she ranked REALLY high in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes''[='=] Choose Your Legends event and then earned her a spot in the game's roster as of November 2017, and yes, she's still having her endearingly odd habits and braggadocio on full force.

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** Lute is also definitely one of the more popular mages in the fandom, thanks to her odd habits, her endearing braggadocio, and the related fact that [[LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards she can back that boasting up with results]]. (Her married endings being adorable are also a plus.) For someone who's not even related to the main houses and nobility of Magvel (she's just a particularly odd ''citizen'' of Renais), that's an achievement. Her popularity rose further thanks to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnNemokPEIQ a parody video]] showcasing her awesomeness in a memetic way going super viral that she ranked REALLY high in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes''[='=] Choose Your Legends event and then earned her a spot in the game's roster as of November 2017, and yes, she's still having her endearingly odd habits and braggadocio on full force.
16th Nov '17 5:16:52 AM ChrisX
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** Lute is also definitely one of the more popular mages in the fandom, thanks to her odd habits, her endearing braggadocio, and the related fact that [[LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards she can back that boasting up with results]]. (Her married endings being adorable are also a plus.)

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** Lute is also definitely one of the more popular mages in the fandom, thanks to her odd habits, her endearing braggadocio, and the related fact that [[LinearWarriorsQuadraticWizards she can back that boasting up with results]]. (Her married endings being adorable are also a plus.)) Her popularity rose further thanks to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnNemokPEIQ a parody video]] showcasing her awesomeness in a memetic way going super viral that she ranked REALLY high in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes''[='=] Choose Your Legends event and then earned her a spot in the game's roster as of November 2017, and yes, she's still having her endearingly odd habits and braggadocio on full force.
16th Nov '17 2:35:00 AM SpaceDrake
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** The game as a whole became a lot more popular after the release of ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'', going from one of the biggest cases of ContestedSequel in the series to near SacredCow levels in some sectors of the fandom. While the plot is still considered mostly cliché, it's still seen as well-written with good characters, and as ''Gaiden'', the inspiration for the above-mentioned controversial mechanics, ''also'' experienced a VindicatedByHistory surge with the help of a remake, the gameplay became a lot more liked.

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** The game as a whole became a lot more popular after the release of ''Awakening'' and ''Fates'', going from one of the biggest cases of ContestedSequel in the series to near SacredCow levels in some sectors of the fandom. While the plot is still considered mostly cliché, it's still seen as well-written with good characters, characters (with [[spoiler:the real primary antagonist, in particular, having a very believable motivation for doing what he did compared to many ''FE'' villains]]), and as ''Gaiden'', the inspiration for the above-mentioned controversial mechanics, ''also'' experienced a VindicatedByHistory surge with the help of a remake, the gameplay became a lot more liked.
5th Nov '17 10:50:15 AM infernape612
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* ClicheStorm: Practically a Mad Libs for ''Fire Emblem'' games. Evil empire invades the peaceful kingdom next door, emperor turns out to be a DiscOneFinalBoss controlled by an ancient evil, and all the MacGuffins sealing away said evil end up being destroyed, forcing an ultimate showdown for the fate of the world. Oh, and you're helped along the way by a dragon-in-the-form-of-a-little-girl who's Really700YearsOld.

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* ClicheStorm: Practically a Mad Libs for ''Fire Emblem'' games. Evil empire invades the peaceful kingdom next door, emperor turns out to be a DiscOneFinalBoss controlled by an ancient evil, and all the MacGuffins {{MacGuffin}}s sealing away said evil end up being destroyed, forcing an ultimate showdown for the fate of the world. Oh, and you're helped along the way by a dragon-in-the-form-of-a-little-girl who's Really700YearsOld.
4th Nov '17 10:05:29 AM Phediuk
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* ClicheStorm: Practically a Mad Libs for ''Fire Emblem'' games. Evil empire invades the peaceful kingdom next door, emperor turns out to be a DiscOneFinalBoss controlled by an ancient evil, and all the MacGuffins sealing away said evil end up being destroyed, forcing an ultimate showdown for the fate of the world. Oh, and you're helped along the way by a dragon-in-the-form-of-a-little-girl who's Really700YearsOld.
29th Oct '17 6:41:05 PM MayIncon
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** [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/5/55/Innes.png/revision/latest?cb=20160627170938 Innes]] is a grey-haired prince of a nation who wears blue and uses a bow. ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' features [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/2/2e/Takumi_boxart.png/revision/latest?cb=20160516051823 another]] grey-haired prince of a nation who wears blue and uses a bow in combat. Not only that, but they act somewhat antagonistic towards a main protagonist: Innes has his FriendlyRivalry with Ephraim, while Takumi takes a while to warm up to either of the Corrins. Both also have a retainer who has feelings for them, Vanessa in Innes' case and Oboro in Takumi's.

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** [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/5/55/Innes.png/revision/latest?cb=20160627170938 Innes]] is a grey-haired prince of a nation who wears blue and uses a bow. ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' features [[http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/2/2e/Takumi_boxart.png/revision/latest?cb=20160516051823 another]] grey-haired prince of a nation who wears blue and uses a bow in combat. Not only that, but they act somewhat antagonistic towards a main protagonist: Innes has his FriendlyRivalry with Ephraim, while Takumi takes a while to warm up to either of the Corrins. Both also have a retainer who has feelings for them, Vanessa in Innes' case and Oboro (who bears some resemblance to Tana) in Takumi's.Takumi's.
29th Oct '17 6:02:33 PM OrangenChan
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*** Taken even further, ''Awakening'' had the War Monk class, which uses axes and staves, while ''Fates'' had the Oni Chieftain and Malig Knight classes, which use axes and magic. The fact that two ''axe men'' tried out staves and magic seems oddly prophetic with that in mind.
29th Oct '17 5:56:25 PM OrangenChan
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** Eirika's growths and bases are almost dead on with ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Blade's]]'' Lyndis.

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** Eirika's growths and bases are almost dead on with ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheBlazingBlade The Blazing Blade's]]'' Lyndis. Also, they can both use weapons that are normally exclusive to the Myrmidon lines, and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' features [=SpotPass=]/[=DLC=] missions that include them as either a Myrmidon or Swordmaster, drawing even more similarities between the two.
29th Oct '17 5:48:22 PM OrangenChan
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** Also, Valter goes down way too easily and without much ado for someone who's been a major threat for about three quarters of the game. This is especially glaring when you consider he's fought in the same map as [[ThatOneBoss Caellach]].

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** Also, Valter goes down way too easily and without much ado for someone who's been a major threat for about three quarters of the game. This is especially glaring when you consider he's fought in the same map as [[ThatOneBoss Caellach]]. To be more specific, there are two big things that make Valter the easier boss. First, while he has a Fili Shield to protect himself from [[AchillesHeel arrows]], there's nothing stopping you from just stealing it from him. And second, you can get a Dragon Axe on that very level, which is tailor-made for taking down Wyvern Knights.
27th Oct '17 6:03:05 AM Luigifan
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** The final boss, [[spoiler: Fomortiis the Demon King]], can easily be defeated in a single turn by simply [[ZergRush Zerg Rushing]] him with the numerous [[InfinityPlusOneSword sacred weapons]] that are given to you for free as you progress through the story.

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** The final boss, [[spoiler: Fomortiis [[spoiler:Fomortiis the Demon King]], can easily be defeated in a single turn by simply [[ZergRush Zerg Rushing]] him with the numerous [[InfinityPlusOneSword sacred weapons]] that are given to you for free as you progress through the story.



** The Tower of Valni, an optional side area that unlocks in Chapter 10 (and also the Lagdou Ruins, though they don't unlock until the final chapter). Critics claim that it trivializes the game, as the ability to visit it as many times as you like makes gaining experience easy, while defenders point out that, being optional, one doesn't have to use it, so if it's a GameBreaker it's entirely your own fault for visiting it in the first place, and it's a good place for beginners to the series and casual players.

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** The Tower of Valni, an [[BonusDungeon optional side area area]] that unlocks in Chapter 10 (and also the Lagdou Ruins, though they don't unlock until the final chapter). Critics claim that it trivializes the game, as the ability to visit it as many times as you like makes gaining experience easy, while defenders point out that, being optional, one doesn't have to use it, so if it's a GameBreaker it's entirely your own fault for visiting it in the first place, and it's a good place for beginners to the series and casual players. (Specifically the Tower of Valni the Lagdou Ruins are a BrutalBonusLevel.)



* MemeticMutation: Gheb's has an entire patch of this game dedicated to him!
* {{Moe}}: Amelia and Myrrh (less in the "super cutesy and adorable moeblob" sense and more in the "sweet child who goes through lots of shit" one).

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* MemeticMutation: Gheb's Gheb has an entire patch of this game dedicated to him!
* {{Moe}}: Amelia and Myrrh (less in the "super cutesy and adorable moeblob" sense and more in the "sweet child [[TheWoobie who goes through through]] [[TraumaCongaLine lots of shit" shit]]" one).



* {{Narm}}: Ewan's color palette is quite colorful compared to other Shaman from past games. [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/4/4b/Ewan_druid_magic.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110420231339 This makes him look ridiculous when he's a Druid]].
* NeverLiveItDown: Much of Eirika's BaseBreakingCharacter status comes from [[spoiler:her being tricked into giving the Sacred Stone of Renais to the Demon King-posessed Lyon, resulting in its destruction.]] The ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' DLC even aludes to this by having Old Hubba claim Eirika was "quite naive. Gullible, even".

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* {{Narm}}: Ewan's color palette is quite colorful compared to other Shaman Shamans from past games. [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/4/4b/Ewan_druid_magic.gif/revision/latest?cb=20110420231339 This makes him look ridiculous when he's a Druid]].
Druid.]]
* NeverLiveItDown: Much of Eirika's BaseBreakingCharacter status comes from [[spoiler:her being tricked into giving the Sacred Stone of Renais to the Demon King-posessed Lyon, resulting in its destruction.]] destruction]]. The ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' DLC even aludes to this by having Old Hubba claim Eirika was "quite naive. Gullible, even".



** Caellach can be notoriously hard to defeat. He has a close-combat axe... AND a hand-axe. He hits like a damn truck with either one of them, and not even the Lords will survive at Lvl. 20. You have two options: hope that one of your units survive his attacks, or take the easy path by summoning mooks to slowly waste the uses for his hand-axe to THEN bombard him with magic from far away. Also, his in-story rival, Joshua, is a [[CriticalHitClass Myrmidon/Swordmaster]], and Caellach comes equipped with a [[NoSell Hoplon Guard]], which prevents critical attacks. That being said, there is a simple way to defeat Caellach with Joshua. [[CuttingTheKnot Bring a thief to steal his Hoplon Guard]].
** Carlyle on Eirika's route may be even more annoying. He's a Swordmaster, so that automatically means high speed, hit, and avoid. Avoid which is boosted by the throne he's on. Good luck hitting him, and there's no way you're doubling without powerlevelling Joshua or Colm. Both of whom will probably go down in two to three hits. And he has a crit bonus. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And a 2-range sword (though he cannot critical at range because of his weapon)]].
** Fighting him is optional, but those trying to finish Eirika's Chapter 13 early are going to have a ''really'' hard time with Aias. He's a [[StoneWall Great Knight]] on a Fort (heals every turn, plus a defence bonus) with enough Con not to be weighed down by his weapons, so doubling him is surprisingly hard. And his assortment of weapons is ''terrifying'': in addition to a 1-2 range spear (to threaten Mages trying to bypass his defence), he also has a Silver Blade (one of the strongest swords in the game) and a ''Swordslayer'' (an axe that not only reverses the weapon triangle, but deals bonus damage to sword-wielders). His class may make him weak to both armour and cavalry-slaying weapons, but all those but the Armourslayer have unreliable accuracy, made even worse by him being on a fort. And those using Armourslayers will risk getting oneshotted by his Swordslayer. Even though he is also weak to magic, you have to hope that whichever magicians you send against him will be able to either dodge his attacks or be able to tank at least one. The writers seemed well aware of this, since his death quote is [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall praising Renais' tactician for managing to beat him]].

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** Caellach can be notoriously hard to defeat. He has a close-combat axe... AND a hand-axe. He hits like a damn truck with either one of them, and not even the Lords will survive at Lvl. 20. You have two options: hope that one of your units survive his attacks, or take the easy path by summoning mooks to slowly waste the uses for his hand-axe to THEN bombard him with magic from far away. Also, his in-story rival, Joshua, is a [[CriticalHitClass Myrmidon/Swordmaster]], and Caellach comes equipped with a [[NoSell Hoplon Guard]], which prevents critical attacks. That being said, there is a simple way to defeat Caellach with Joshua. [[CuttingTheKnot Bring a thief to steal his Hoplon Guard]].
Guard.]] Just make sure to get the thief out of dodge afterwards.
** Carlyle on Eirika's route may be even more annoying. He's a Swordmaster, so that automatically means high speed, hit, and avoid. Avoid which is boosted even further by the throne he's on. Good luck hitting him, and there's no way you're doubling without powerlevelling Joshua or Colm. Both of whom will probably go down in two to three hits. And he has a crit bonus. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And a 2-range sword (though he cannot critical at range because of his weapon)]].
** Fighting him is optional, but those trying to finish Eirika's Chapter 13 early are going to have a ''really'' hard time with Aias. He's a [[StoneWall Great Knight]] on a Fort (heals every turn, plus a defence bonus) with enough Con not to be weighed down by his weapons, so doubling him is surprisingly hard. And his assortment of weapons is ''terrifying'': in addition to a 1-2 range spear (to threaten Mages trying to bypass his defence), he also has a Silver Blade (one of the strongest swords in the game) and a ''Swordslayer'' (an axe that not only reverses and amplifies the weapon triangle, but deals bonus damage to sword-wielders). His class may make him weak to both armour and cavalry-slaying weapons, but all of those but the Armourslayer have unreliable accuracy, made even worse by him being on a fort. And those using Armourslayers will risk getting oneshotted one-shotted by his Swordslayer.Swordslayer (which will also ruin the Armorslayer's accuracy due to the aforementioned amplification and reversal of the weapon triangle). Even though he is also weak to magic, you have to hope that whichever magicians you send against him will be able to either dodge his attacks or be able to tank at least one. The writers seemed well aware of this, since his death quote is [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall praising Renais' tactician for managing to beat him]].



** The GhostShip on Hard Mode. Holy shit. This map throws everything under the kitchen sink and then some at you in one giant onslaught of enemies, so you need to choke the crossing points between the two bridges. That's not so bad on its own, but then there are Gargoyles coming at you from all directions. [[DemonicSpiders Not only are they capable of bypassing your defensive units to pick off vulnerable ones (being fliers and all), they hit like trucks]]! [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse after a few turns]], in which two recruitable [=NPCs=]; L'Arachel (a defenseless healer) and Dozla (who lacks a ranged weapon) show up on the other side of the map where Mogalls can chip away at their health. [[ArtificialStupidity Dozla's determination to ignore the most dangerous units doesn't help matters]], so unless you've been grinding like a madman, they'll likely die before you can reach them. Worst of all, there's FogOfWar. [[SarcasmMode Have fun!]]
** And after that, there's Landing at Taizel, which isn't quite as difficult, but still a pain in the ass. Part of the problem with this level is that, while you do get to save beforehand, you don't get to go back to the world map in between. So if you needed to do some LevelGrinding? ''T-O-O B-A-D''!

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** The GhostShip on Hard Mode. Holy shit. This map throws everything under the kitchen sink and then some at you in one giant onslaught of enemies, so you need to choke the crossing points between the two bridges. That's not so bad on its own, but then there are Gargoyles coming at you from all directions. [[DemonicSpiders Not only are they capable of bypassing your defensive units to pick off vulnerable ones (being fliers and all), they hit like trucks]]! trucks!]] [[FromBadToWorse It gets worse after a few turns]], in which two recruitable [=NPCs=]; L'Arachel (a defenseless healer) and Dozla (who lacks a ranged weapon) show up on the other side of the map where Mogalls can chip away at their health. [[ArtificialStupidity Dozla's determination to ignore the most dangerous units doesn't help matters]], so unless you've been grinding like a madman, they'll likely die before you can reach them. Worst of all, there's FogOfWar. [[SarcasmMode Have fun!]]
** And after that, there's Landing at Taizel, which isn't quite as difficult, but still a pain in the ass. Part of the problem with this level is that, while you do get to save beforehand, you don't get to go back to the world map in between. So if you needed to do some LevelGrinding? ''T-O-O B-A-D''!B-A-D!''



* TierInducedScrappy: While loved as a plot character, Knoll is HATED as a playable one for his poor stats and the general weakness of dark magic in this game. Summoners in general are considered the worst overall class, too, [[BoringButPractical though careful use of their summons can prove surprisingly effective.]]

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* TierInducedScrappy: While loved as a plot character, Knoll is HATED as a playable one for his poor stats and the general weakness of dark magic in this game. Summoners in general are considered the worst overall class, too, [[BoringButPractical though careful use of their summons can prove surprisingly effective.]]effective]].



** A lot of the more controversial elements that were criticized as making the game [[ItsEasySoItSucks too easy]] [[note]]easy level grinding, being able to revisit old maps[[/note]] were adopted into ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'', whose NewbieBoom will define FireEmblem for the foreseeable future.

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** A lot of the more controversial elements that were criticized as making the game [[ItsEasySoItSucks too easy]] [[note]]easy level grinding, being able to revisit old maps[[/note]] were adopted into ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'', whose NewbieBoom will define FireEmblem ''VideoGame/FireEmblem'' for the foreseeable future.



*** Though to be fair, fans could only pick one character to support. Most of Awakening's fans and Chrom's would-be supporters during his matchup with Ephraim were over in the other bracket helping Lucina grind Eirika into a fine paste.

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*** Though to be fair, fans could only pick one character to support. Most of Awakening's ''Awakening''[='=]s fans and Chrom's would-be supporters during his matchup with Ephraim were over in the other bracket helping Lucina grind Eirika into a fine paste.



** The country Grado in general has its forces decimated, 85% of its high ranking leaders killed off, the ''entire'' royal family killed, and then undergoes a massive earthquake after the epilogue.

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** The country Grado in general has its forces decimated, 85% of its high ranking high-ranking leaders killed off, the ''entire'' royal family killed, and then undergoes a massive earthquake after the epilogue.



** Somehow, Seth also seems to forget that he shouldn't be calling Eirika "Princess" or "Your Highness" in front of ''other people''. In fact, the Easy Mode script (which differs in some areas from the regular script), Neimi [[LampshadeHanging actually calls Eirika "Your Highness" later.]] It's probably how Binks manages to find them so easily in Chapter 9, too.

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** Somehow, Seth also seems to forget that he shouldn't be calling Eirika "Princess" or "Your Highness" in front of ''other people''. In fact, in the Easy Mode script (which differs in some areas from the regular script), Neimi [[LampshadeHanging actually calls Eirika "Your Highness" later.]] It's probably how Binks manages to find them so easily in Chapter 9, too.



** Duessel, Selena, and Glen's continuing loyalty to Vigarde for what is probably weeks or months after the initial invasion of Renais. Everything we learn about Vigarde in life points to him being kind, fatherly, and gentle. The second that Vigarde opens his mouth in-game, it's very obvious that he isn't anything but at this point. Yet the three generals treat it more like Vigarde had a bad day. Even Glen, who is the first to voice his criticism, ''still'' planned on returning to Grado and confronting Vigarde about his actions when Eirika proves that Vigarde lied to him. In Selena's case, Ephraim calls her out on it, since Myrrh tells her everything and yet she ''still'' remains loyal to Vigarde. [[SubvertedTrope Though]] Duessel at least ''does'' [[HeelFaceTurn defect to Ephraim's side]] eventually.

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** Duessel, Selena, and Glen's continuing loyalty to Vigarde for what is probably weeks or months after the initial invasion of Renais. Everything we learn about Vigarde in life points to him being kind, fatherly, and gentle. The second that Vigarde opens his mouth in-game, it's very obvious that he isn't he's anything but at this point. Yet the three generals treat it more like Vigarde had a bad day. Even Glen, who is the first to voice his criticism, ''still'' planned on returning to Grado and confronting Vigarde about his actions when Eirika proves that Vigarde lied to him. In Selena's case, Ephraim calls her out on it, since Myrrh tells her everything and yet she ''still'' remains loyal to Vigarde. [[SubvertedTrope Though]] Duessel at least ''does'' [[HeelFaceTurn defect to Ephraim's side]] eventually.
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