History YMMV / FireEmblemTheSacredStones

23rd Oct '16 12:44:45 PM dlchen145
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** Though generally well-liked, Ephraim is not safe from this either. A cool though [[LeeroyJenkins impulsive]] {{Badass}} leader and the rightful protagonist of the story, or little more than a glorified Canon Sue who seems to be adored by the script as it allows him to succeed at virtually anything while constantly making Eirika hold the DistressBall.

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** Though generally well-liked, Ephraim is not safe from this either. A cool though [[LeeroyJenkins impulsive]] {{Badass}} badass leader and the rightful protagonist of the story, or little more than a glorified Canon Sue who seems to be adored by the script as it allows him to succeed at virtually anything while constantly making Eirika hold the DistressBall.
21st Sep '16 5:14:18 PM Dullahan0
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** L'arachel is one of the most popular characters in all of Sacred Stones, thanks to her hilarious delusions of grandeur, devoted belief in justice, wacky personality, and pretty design.
18th Sep '16 11:31:02 AM Eagal
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* CounterpartComparison:
** Kyle is a dead ringer for [[Anime/CowboyBebop Spike Spiegel]], minus the tragic aspects of Spike's backstory.
** [[spoiler:Gameplay-wise Morva is a slightly weaker version of the Fire Dragon from the end of ''Blazing Sword'' and can be beaten with the same tactics.]]
** Eirika's growths and bases are almost dead on with [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Elibe's]] Lyndis.
** Similarly to Eirika with Lyndis, Neimi's stats are almost identical to those of [[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Rebecca]]. Unless you make her a Ranger, becoming more similar to Rath or a promoted Sue.
17th Sep '16 11:32:27 PM Eagal
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* BrokenBase: When the Nintendo3DS rerelease came around, there was some minor consternation over whether ''The Sacred Stones'' was really the best GBA representative for the franchise. Most of the people who were complaining wished for ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Blazing Sword]]'' instead.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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When the Nintendo3DS rerelease came around, there was some minor consternation over whether ''The Sacred Stones'' was really the best GBA representative for the franchise. Most of the people who were complaining wished for ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe Blazing Sword]]'' instead.instead.
** The Tower of Valni, an optional side area that unlocks in Chapter 10 (and also the Lagdou Ruins, though they don't unlock until the final chapter). Critics claim that it trivializes the game, as the ability to visit it as many times as you like makes gaining experience easy, while defenders point out that, being optional, one doesn't have to use it, so if it's a GameBreaker it's entirely your own fault for visiting it in the first place, and it's a good place for beginners to the series and casual players.



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In-universe -- in a flashback, Ephraim states his father "will likely outlive us all." Year and a half later...
** HilariousInHindsight: Likewise in the same conversation, Ephraim states he would rather be "traveling the land as a mercenary", and Eirika chides him for it. During the game, Erika is pretending to be a mercenary leader.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In-universe -- in In a flashback, Ephraim states his father "will likely outlive us all." Year and a half later...
** HilariousInHindsight: Likewise in the same conversation, Ephraim states he would rather be "traveling the land as a mercenary", and Eirika chides him for it. During the game, Erika is pretending to be a mercenary leader.
later he's killed by Grado forces.



** The Tower of Valni, a revisitable dungeon that you can retreat from at any time, in short, an infinite source of experience. It's optional, but if you really want to put the screws to the game this is the place to do it.



* HoYay: There's a fair bit in the game, most prominently in the mixture of admiration and rivalry between Ephraim and Lyon and Eirika's RomanticTwoGirlFriendship with both L'Arachel and Tana.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Ephraim states he would rather be "traveling the land as a mercenary", and Eirika chides him for it. During the game, Erika is pretending to be a mercenary leader.
* HoYay: There's a fair bit in the game, most prominently in the mixture of admiration and rivalry between Ephraim and Lyon and Eirika's RomanticTwoGirlFriendship with both L'Arachel and Tana.



** MemeticMutation: He has an entire patch of this game dedicated to him!
** MemeticMolester: His weapon in said patch is "Raep Her," for chrissakes!

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** * MemeticMolester: Gheb's weapon in the below mentioned patch is "Raep Her," for chrissakes!
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MemeticMutation: He Gheb's has an entire patch of this game dedicated to him!
** MemeticMolester: His weapon in said patch is "Raep Her," for chrissakes!
him!



** Caellach can be notoriously hard to defeat.
*** To elaborate, Caellach has a close-combat axe... AND a hand-axe. He hits like a damn truck with either one of them, and not even the Lords will survive at Lvl. 20. You have two options: hope that one of your units survive his attacks, or take the easy path by summoning mooks to slowly waste the uses for his hand-axe to THEN bombard him with magic from far away. Also, his in-story rival, Joshua, is a [[CriticalHitClass myrmidon/swordmaster]], and Caellach comes equipped with a [[NoSell Hoplon Guard]], this game's equivalent of the Iron Rune.
*** That being said, there is a simple way to defeat Caellach with Joshua. [[CuttingTheKnot Bring a thief to steal his Hoplon Guard]].

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** Caellach can be notoriously hard to defeat.
*** To elaborate, Caellach
defeat. He has a close-combat axe... AND a hand-axe. He hits like a damn truck with either one of them, and not even the Lords will survive at Lvl. 20. You have two options: hope that one of your units survive his attacks, or take the easy path by summoning mooks to slowly waste the uses for his hand-axe to THEN bombard him with magic from far away. Also, his in-story rival, Joshua, is a [[CriticalHitClass myrmidon/swordmaster]], and Caellach comes equipped with a [[NoSell Hoplon Guard]], this game's equivalent of the Iron Rune.
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which prevents critical attacks. That being said, there is a simple way to defeat Caellach with Joshua. [[CuttingTheKnot Bring a thief to steal his Hoplon Guard]].
1st Sep '16 5:11:06 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Saleh was supposed to appear ''much'' earlier, actually, and even kills the chapter boss (Novala) himself! [[http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=17713 See info here.]]
1st Sep '16 5:10:23 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* WhatAnIdiot: When Fado gave his children bracelets that act as a twin key to Renais' Sacred Stone, he ordered [[SecretKeeper Seth]] to [[LockedOutOfTheLoop not tell them what the bracelets were]] until "the time was right." Seth, who is usually smart and a bit GenreSavvy, inexplicably refuses to give Eirika a detailed explanation of its true nature -- this while her brother is missing, possibly dead or captured, in enemy territory with the second and they themselves are on the run. He only tells her that losing it puts the whole continent at risk from the Demon King ''after'' Novala demands it in exchange for hostages and she -- not having any idea that it's more than a very important but not magical or world-risking royal artifact -- decides that it's not worth people dying over. Admittedly, he didn't know that Grado knew, but after the bracelet had ''already been stolen once'' and necessitated a desperate detour, he really should have given her the whole story.

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* WhatAnIdiot: When Fado gave his children bracelets that act as a twin key to Renais' Sacred Stone, he ordered [[SecretKeeper Seth]] to [[LockedOutOfTheLoop not tell them what the bracelets were]] until "the time was right." Seth, who is usually smart and a bit GenreSavvy, smart, inexplicably refuses to give Eirika a detailed explanation of its true nature -- this while her brother is missing, possibly dead or captured, in enemy territory with the second and they themselves are on the run. He only tells her that losing it puts the whole continent at risk from the Demon King ''after'' Novala demands it in exchange for hostages and she -- not having any idea that it's more than a very important but not magical or world-risking royal artifact -- decides that it's not worth people dying over. Admittedly, he didn't know that Grado knew, but after the bracelet had ''already been stolen once'' and necessitated a desperate detour, he really should have given her the whole story.
26th Aug '16 4:21:30 AM Silverblade2
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* NeverLiveItDown: Much of Eirika's BaseBreaker status comes from [[spoiler:her being tricked into giving the Sacred Stone of Renais to the Demon King-posessed Lyon, resulting in its destruction.]] ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' DLC even aludes to this by having Old Hubba claim Eirika was "quite naive. Gullible, even".

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* NeverLiveItDown: Much of Eirika's BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter status comes from [[spoiler:her being tricked into giving the Sacred Stone of Renais to the Demon King-posessed Lyon, resulting in its destruction.]] ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' DLC even aludes to this by having Old Hubba claim Eirika was "quite naive. Gullible, even".
21st Jul '16 4:42:54 PM HamburgerTime
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** General Selena is either a [[TearJerker heartbreakingly]] [[TragicVillain tragic]] HeroAntagonist or a [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocritical]] [[HonorBeforeReason honor-obsessed idiot]] who insists on following her country's orders to the letter despite being repeatedly smacked upside the head with indications that something very, very bad is happening there.
20th Jul '16 12:22:10 PM Promega7
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* LoveToHate: Valter and Riev are just too hilariously and unrepetently evil.

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* LoveToHate: Valter and Riev are just too hilariously and unrepetently unrepentantly evil.



* MoralEventHorizon: Novala from stage 8 gleefully traps several Renais citizens in the mountains to be killed by giant spiders during the fight after they fail to work as hostages for Eirika's surrender. When Eirika is horrified by this display of pointless cruelty, Novala just laughs and says that this is war; any atrocity is fair game as long as you win.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Novala from stage 8 Chapter 6 gleefully traps several Renais citizens in the mountains to be killed by giant spiders during the fight after they fail to work as hostages for Eirika's surrender. When Eirika is horrified by this display of pointless cruelty, Novala just laughs and says that this is war; any atrocity is fair game as long as you win.



** To elaborate, Caellach has a close-combat axe... AND a hand-axe. He hits like a damn truck with either one of them, and not even the Lords will survive at Lvl. 20. You have two options: hope that one of your units survive his attacks, or take the easy path by summoning mooks to slowly waste the uses for his hand-axe to THEN bombard him with magic from far away. Also, his in-story rival, Joshua, is a [[CriticalHitClass myrmidon/swordmaster]], and Caellach comes equipped with a [[NoSell Hoplon Guard]], this game's equivalent of the Iron Rune.

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** *** To elaborate, Caellach has a close-combat axe... AND a hand-axe. He hits like a damn truck with either one of them, and not even the Lords will survive at Lvl. 20. You have two options: hope that one of your units survive his attacks, or take the easy path by summoning mooks to slowly waste the uses for his hand-axe to THEN bombard him with magic from far away. Also, his in-story rival, Joshua, is a [[CriticalHitClass myrmidon/swordmaster]], and Caellach comes equipped with a [[NoSell Hoplon Guard]], this game's equivalent of the Iron Rune.



** Fighting him is optional, but those trying to finish Eirika's Chapter 13 early are going to have a ''really'' hard time with Aias. He's a [[StoneWall Great Knight]] on a Fort (heals every turn, plus a defence bonus) with enough Con not to be weighed down by his weapons, so doubling him is surprisingly hard. And his assortment of weapons is ''terrifying'': in addition to a 1-2 range spear (to threaten Mages trying to bypass his defence), he also has a Silver Blade (one of the strongest swords in the game) and a ''Swordslayer'' (an axe that not only reverses the weapon triangle, but deals bonus damage to sword-wielders). His class may make him weak to both armour and cavalry-slaying weapons, but all those but the Armourslayer have unreliable accuracy, made even worse by him being on a fort. And those using Armourslayers will risk getting oneshotted by his Swordslayer. The writers seemed well aware of this, since his death quote is [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall praising Renais' tactician for managing to beat him]].

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** Fighting him is optional, but those trying to finish Eirika's Chapter 13 early are going to have a ''really'' hard time with Aias. He's a [[StoneWall Great Knight]] on a Fort (heals every turn, plus a defence bonus) with enough Con not to be weighed down by his weapons, so doubling him is surprisingly hard. And his assortment of weapons is ''terrifying'': in addition to a 1-2 range spear (to threaten Mages trying to bypass his defence), he also has a Silver Blade (one of the strongest swords in the game) and a ''Swordslayer'' (an axe that not only reverses the weapon triangle, but deals bonus damage to sword-wielders). His class may make him weak to both armour and cavalry-slaying weapons, but all those but the Armourslayer have unreliable accuracy, made even worse by him being on a fort. And those using Armourslayers will risk getting oneshotted by his Swordslayer. Even though he is also weak to magic, you have to hope that whichever magic users you send against him will be able to either dodge his attacks or be able to tank at least one. The writers seemed well aware of this, since his death quote is [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall praising Renais' tactician for managing to beat him]].



** And after that, there's Landing At Taizel, which isn't quite as difficult, but still a pain in the ass. Part of the problem with this level is that, while you do get to save beforehand, you don't get to go back to the world map in between. So if you needed to do some LevelGrinding? ''Too bad''!

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** And after that, there's Landing At at Taizel, which isn't quite as difficult, but still a pain in the ass. Part of the problem with this level is that, while you do get to save beforehand, you don't get to go back to the world map in between. So if you needed to do some LevelGrinding? ''Too bad''!



* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Saleh was supposed to appear ''much'' earlier, actually. [[http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=17713 See info here.]]

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** Somehow, Seth also seems to forget that he shouldn't be calling Eirika "Princess" or "Your Highness" in front of ''other people''. In fact, the Easy Mode script (which differs in some areas from the regular script), Neimi [[LampshadeHanging actually calls Eirika "Your Highness" later.]] It's probably how Binks manages to find them so easily in Chapter 9, too.
** Duessel, Selena, and Glen's continuing loyalty to Vigarde for what is probably weeks or months after the initial invasion of Renais. Everything we learn about Vigarde in life points to him being kind, fatherly, and gentle. The second that Vigarde opens his mouth in-game, it's very obvious that he isn't anything but at this point. Yet the three generals treat it more like Vigarde had a bad day. Even Glen, who is the first to voice his criticism, ''still'' planned on returning to Grado and confronting Vigarde about his actions when Eirika proves that Vigarde lied to him. In Selena's case, Ephraim calls her out on it, since Myrrh tells her everything and yet she ''still'' remains loyal to Vigarde.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen: Saleh was supposed to appear ''much'' earlier, actually. actually, and even kills the chapter boss (Novala) himself! [[http://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=17713 See info here.]]
18th Jul '16 5:06:47 PM HamburgerTime
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Morva, the Manakete hero who defeated the Demon King during his first reign of terror, is introduced, killed off, and revived as a zombie slave of the selfsame Demon King within the space of the opening scene of one chapter.
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