History YMMV / FeetofClay

17th Sep '15 7:49:36 PM Pren
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: "Words in the heart can not be taken" went a bit memetic after Terry Pratchett's death.
26th Jun '15 6:15:43 AM Sharlee
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** Golems don't understand how human bodies work, so he may not have known it could cause lasting harm. If he ''did'' know, he probably chose a small apple.
11th May '15 7:53:14 AM Chuckles1188
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** Possibly undermined by the fact that Dorfl still has his chem at this point and is this incapable of causing intentional harm to a living human. If it were really dangerous he wouldn't be able to do it.

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** Possibly undermined by the fact that Dorfl still has his chem at this point and is this thus incapable of causing intentional harm to a living human. If it were really dangerous he wouldn't be able to do it.
11th May '15 7:53:02 AM Chuckles1188
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** Possibly undermined by the fact that Dorfl still has his chem at this point and is this incapable of causing intentional harm to a living human. If it were really dangerous he wouldn't be able to do it.
9th Dec '14 9:01:46 AM MrDeath
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* ObfuscatingStupidity: Is Carrot really as naive as he lets others believe him to be or has he begun to discover his hidden ManipulativeBastard? Near the end of the book Carrot and Angua have a hilarious OneDialogueTwoConversations, during which he convinces her to stay in the city, even though she had made up her mind to leave. He appears to be his usual Adorkable self, but Angua instinctively believes that this is not the case. Angua's "feelings" are rarely, if ever, doubted. Moreover, despite the fact he is a major character in this book, chapters that are narrated from his [=PoV=] concern the investigation and his thoughts about golems; they do not elaborate on his day-to-day thoughts, like ''Discworld/{{Men at Arms}}'' did. He's still an [[WideEyedIdealist idealist]] but, as it was mentioned there, simple does not mean stupid.
* ShoutOut. A strange one, which is why it's here and not in main. (Note:YMMV). Fred Colon, a long-time copper coming up to retirement and hoping he makes it in one piece, is placed in a difficult situation with an escaped bull on the city street and discovers it can still out-run him. In American sitcom, ''EverybodyLovesRaymond'', Sergeant Robert Barone is a New York police sergeant coming up to his last year before he can legitimately retire on a pension. One day he has to pick up the pieces following an ineptly-run street rodeo where the animals escape. He discovers he cannot outrun a bull called Nestor, that gores him in the "upper thigh". Hmm. The problem is, that episode of ELR aired ''four years after'' the release of this book. Is it just possible that the scriptwriters of ELR were trawling for an unlikely and embarrassing injury to Robert and one of them reads Pratchett? Which makes this a "Reverse Shout-Out"....

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* ObfuscatingStupidity: Is Carrot really as naive as he lets others believe him to be or has he begun to discover his hidden ManipulativeBastard? Near the end of the book Carrot and Angua have a hilarious OneDialogueTwoConversations, during which he convinces her to stay in the city, even though she had made up her mind to leave. He appears to be his usual Adorkable self, but Angua instinctively believes that this is not the case. Angua's "feelings" are rarely, if ever, doubted. Moreover, despite the fact he is a major character in this book, chapters that are narrated from his [=PoV=] concern the investigation and his thoughts about golems; they do not elaborate on his day-to-day thoughts, like ''Discworld/{{Men at Arms}}'' did. He's still an [[WideEyedIdealist idealist]] but, as it was mentioned there, simple does not mean stupid.
* ShoutOut. A strange one, which is why it's here and not in main. (Note:YMMV). Fred Colon, a long-time copper coming up to retirement and hoping he makes it in one piece, is placed in a difficult situation with an escaped bull on the city street and discovers it can still out-run him. In American sitcom, ''EverybodyLovesRaymond'', Sergeant Robert Barone is a New York police sergeant coming up to his last year before he can legitimately retire on a pension. One day he has to pick up the pieces following an ineptly-run street rodeo where the animals escape. He discovers he cannot outrun a bull called Nestor, that gores him in the "upper thigh". Hmm. The problem is, that episode of ELR aired ''four years after'' the release of this book. Is it just possible that the scriptwriters of ELR were trawling for an unlikely and embarrassing injury to Robert and one of them reads Pratchett? Which makes this a "Reverse Shout-Out"....
stupid.
9th Dec '14 2:00:19 AM AgProv
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* ObfuscatingStupidity: Is Carrot really as naive as he lets others believe him to be or has he begun to discover his hidden ManipulativeBastard? Near the end of the book Carrot and Angua have a hilarious OneDialogueTwoConversations, during which he convinces her to stay in the city, even though she had made up her mind to leave. He appears to be his usual Adorkable self, but Angua instinctively believes that this is not the case. Angua's "feelings" are rarely, if ever, doubted. Moreover, despite the fact he is a major character in this book, chapters that are narrated from his [=PoV=] concern the investigation and his thoughts about golems; they do not elaborate on his day-to-day thoughts, like ''Discworld/{{Men at Arms}}'' did. He's still an [[WideEyedIdealist idealist]] but, as it was mentioned there, simple does not mean stupid.

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* ObfuscatingStupidity: Is Carrot really as naive as he lets others believe him to be or has he begun to discover his hidden ManipulativeBastard? Near the end of the book Carrot and Angua have a hilarious OneDialogueTwoConversations, during which he convinces her to stay in the city, even though she had made up her mind to leave. He appears to be his usual Adorkable self, but Angua instinctively believes that this is not the case. Angua's "feelings" are rarely, if ever, doubted. Moreover, despite the fact he is a major character in this book, chapters that are narrated from his [=PoV=] concern the investigation and his thoughts about golems; they do not elaborate on his day-to-day thoughts, like ''Discworld/{{Men at Arms}}'' did. He's still an [[WideEyedIdealist idealist]] but, as it was mentioned there, simple does not mean stupid.stupid.
* ShoutOut. A strange one, which is why it's here and not in main. (Note:YMMV). Fred Colon, a long-time copper coming up to retirement and hoping he makes it in one piece, is placed in a difficult situation with an escaped bull on the city street and discovers it can still out-run him. In American sitcom, ''EverybodyLovesRaymond'', Sergeant Robert Barone is a New York police sergeant coming up to his last year before he can legitimately retire on a pension. One day he has to pick up the pieces following an ineptly-run street rodeo where the animals escape. He discovers he cannot outrun a bull called Nestor, that gores him in the "upper thigh". Hmm. The problem is, that episode of ELR aired ''four years after'' the release of this book. Is it just possible that the scriptwriters of ELR were trawling for an unlikely and embarrassing injury to Robert and one of them reads Pratchett? Which makes this a "Reverse Shout-Out"....
15th Sep '14 4:46:20 PM sgamer82
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* ObfuscatingStupidity: Is Carrot really as naive as he lets others believe him to be or has he begun to discover his hidden ManipulativeBastard? Near the end of the book Carrot and Angua have a hilarious OneDialogueTwoConversations, during which he convinces her to stay in the city, even though she had made up her mind to leave. He appears to be his usual Adorkable self, but Angua instinctively believes that this is not the case. Angua's "feelings" are rarely, if ever, doubted. Moreover, despite the fact he is a major character in this book, chapters that are narrated from his PoV concern the investigation and his thoughts about golems; they do not elaborate on his day-to-day thoughts, like ''Discworld/{{Men at Arms}}'' did. He's still an [[WideEyedIdealist idealist]] but, as it was mentioned there, simple does not mean stupid.

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* ObfuscatingStupidity: Is Carrot really as naive as he lets others believe him to be or has he begun to discover his hidden ManipulativeBastard? Near the end of the book Carrot and Angua have a hilarious OneDialogueTwoConversations, during which he convinces her to stay in the city, even though she had made up her mind to leave. He appears to be his usual Adorkable self, but Angua instinctively believes that this is not the case. Angua's "feelings" are rarely, if ever, doubted. Moreover, despite the fact he is a major character in this book, chapters that are narrated from his PoV [=PoV=] concern the investigation and his thoughts about golems; they do not elaborate on his day-to-day thoughts, like ''Discworld/{{Men at Arms}}'' did. He's still an [[WideEyedIdealist idealist]] but, as it was mentioned there, simple does not mean stupid.
18th Jun '14 12:23:53 PM pave17
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* MoralDissonance: After [[spoiler: Dorfl]] is [[spoiler: given his freedom]] he goes around the city visiting ironic retribution on former employers including, at one point, shoving an apple into an apprentice's rear at a butcher's shop. Angua finds it hilarious, ignoring that even if they're following the argument that it's not different from what the people there did to animals, it's still extremely painful and actually dangerous.

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* MoralDissonance: After [[spoiler: Dorfl]] is [[spoiler: given his freedom]] he goes around the city visiting ironic retribution on former employers including, at one point, shoving an apple into an apprentice's rear at a butcher's shop. Angua finds it hilarious, ignoring that even if they're following the argument that it's not different from what the people there did to animals, it's still extremely painful and actually dangerous.dangerous.
* ObfuscatingStupidity: Is Carrot really as naive as he lets others believe him to be or has he begun to discover his hidden ManipulativeBastard? Near the end of the book Carrot and Angua have a hilarious OneDialogueTwoConversations, during which he convinces her to stay in the city, even though she had made up her mind to leave. He appears to be his usual Adorkable self, but Angua instinctively believes that this is not the case. Angua's "feelings" are rarely, if ever, doubted. Moreover, despite the fact he is a major character in this book, chapters that are narrated from his PoV concern the investigation and his thoughts about golems; they do not elaborate on his day-to-day thoughts, like ''Discworld/{{Men at Arms}}'' did. He's still an [[WideEyedIdealist idealist]] but, as it was mentioned there, simple does not mean stupid.
6th Dec '13 6:32:47 PM GrantMK2
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* MemeticBadass: One of the first examples of Vimes' status as such. Nobby, offered the chance to be King and Vimes' boss, can only worry about the fact that "Vimes will go ''spare''."

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* MemeticBadass: One of the first examples of Vimes' status as such. Nobby, offered the chance to be King and Vimes' boss, can only worry about the fact that "Vimes will go ''spare''.""
* MoralDissonance: After [[spoiler: Dorfl]] is [[spoiler: given his freedom]] he goes around the city visiting ironic retribution on former employers including, at one point, shoving an apple into an apprentice's rear at a butcher's shop. Angua finds it hilarious, ignoring that even if they're following the argument that it's not different from what the people there did to animals, it's still extremely painful and actually dangerous.
28th Oct '13 12:20:22 PM Hodor
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* CompleteMonster [[XMeetsY meets]] MoralEventHorizon: The deaths of William and Mrs. Easy are used as a barometer, albeit more or less unconsciously, for this ''twice''.
** [[spoiler:Mr Carry]] seems like a victim of circumstance and an unwitting pawn, almost sympathetic... and then his reaction to finding out [[spoiler:the plot he was part of led to the death of a old woman and a fourteen-month child is "Were they important?"]]
--> '''Carrot:''' "I was almost feeling sorry for you. Right up to this point. You are a lucky man. (...) We got to you before Commander Vimes did.
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