History YMMV / FateStayNight

10th Sep '16 6:30:12 AM Nitramy
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** The whole mispronunciation of Lancer's ''Gae Bolg'' as "Gay Bulge" and Archer's ''Rho Aias'' as "Raw Ass" becomes this when you realize that in his legend, Cu Chulainn defeated Ferdiad by an AssShove with the Gae Bolg.
2nd Aug '16 7:51:10 AM Prometheus117
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** DamselScrappy: Sakura fits this trope pretty well. She has the biggest hatedom of the cast and she's one of the least commercial character in the series aside of Shinji and Zouken - two [[HateSink Hate Sinks]] - despise being one of the main heroines. [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass It's not very hard to understand why]]: Rin and Saber get to kick plenty of asses in and outside their routes. As for Sakura, Shirou spends most of HF [[spoiler:sacrificing everything]] to save her, while she doesn't (and can't) do much to help him, and many feel that their romance is underdeveloped on Shirou's end. And the fact that she's a PatientChildhoodLoveInterest impacts her chemistry with Shirou since a lot of his interest in her has to rely more heavily on [[ShowDontTell telling instead of showing]]. [[BreakTheCutie Justified]] or not, people usually don't like characters who don't contribute as much as the others or don't have many character traits outside of being [[TheWoobie sympathetic]]. It's been rumored that she was the least favorite character of the staff, which may explain things.

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** DamselScrappy: Sakura fits this trope pretty well. She has the biggest hatedom of the cast and she's one of the least commercial character in the series aside of Shinji and Zouken - two [[HateSink Hate Sinks]] - despise being one of the main heroines. [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass It's not very hard to understand why]]: Rin and Saber get to kick plenty of asses in and outside their routes. As for Sakura, Shirou spends most of HF [[spoiler:sacrificing everything]] to save her, while she doesn't (and can't) do much to help him, [[spoiler:the fact that she's, however unintentionally, responsible for [[PlayerPunch Saber's corruption and death at Shirou's hands]]]], and many feel that their romance is underdeveloped on Shirou's end. And the fact that she's a PatientChildhoodLoveInterest impacts her chemistry with Shirou since a lot of his interest in her has to rely more heavily on [[ShowDontTell telling instead of showing]]. [[BreakTheCutie Justified]] or not, people usually don't like characters who don't contribute as much as the others or don't have many character traits outside of being [[TheWoobie sympathetic]]. It's been rumored that she was the least favorite character of the staff, which may explain things.
28th Jul '16 10:26:19 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Caster as well, managing to prove a legitimate threat despite her physical weakness thanks to her DangerouslyGenreSavvy nature [[spoiler: her defeat in ''Fate'' only happens thanks to Gilgamesh appearing, and in ''Unlimited Blade Works'' because Archer turned out to be a FakeDefector.]]

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** Caster as well, managing to prove a legitimate threat despite her physical weakness thanks to her DangerouslyGenreSavvy savvy nature [[spoiler: her defeat in ''Fate'' only happens thanks to Gilgamesh appearing, and in ''Unlimited Blade Works'' because Archer turned out to be a FakeDefector.]]
27th Jul '16 11:25:57 PM ChrisX
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** Rider and not just for her sheer MissFanservice traits, but also her tragic past, her moments of awesome in HF, all while being compelling (which many cannot say about her true master, Sakura)

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** Rider and not just for her sheer MissFanservice traits, but also her tragic past, her moments of awesome in HF, all while being compelling (which many cannot say about her true master, Sakura)Sakura). Not bad, when she spent the two first, more popular routes as 'first casualty' fodder all the time.
27th Jul '16 3:09:34 PM FateStayWho
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* AssPull: [[spoiler: Archer still being alive at the end ''Unlimited Blade Works'', surviving a prolonged period despite his already low mana and being impaled by several of Gilgamesh's Noble Phantasms.]]



** Caster as well, managing to prove a legitimate threat despite her physical weakness thanks to her DangerouslyGenreSavvy nature [[spoiler: her defeat in ''Fate'' only happens thanks to Gilgamesh appearing, and in ''Unlimited Blade Works'' because Archer turned out to be a FakeDefector.]]
** Archer proves himself one in ''Unlimited Blade Works'' [[spoiler: managing to even manipulate Caster in his plan to kill Shirou and make Saber into Rin's Servant to help her win the Grail War. The kill Shirou part only fails because he wasn't able to kill him fast enough.]]



** [[EnfantTerrible Ilya]] crosses the line in many [[BadEnd Bad Ends]], particulary the ones in ''Fate'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' where she has Berserker decapitate Shirou's head, but [[FateWorseThanDeath still keeps him alive so that she can torture him even more]] or [[AndIMustScream transfers Shirou's soul into a doll to "keep" him]].

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** [[EnfantTerrible Ilya]] crosses the line in many [[BadEnd Bad Ends]], particulary particularly the ones in ''Fate'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' where she has Berserker decapitate Shirou's head, but [[FateWorseThanDeath still keeps him alive so that she can torture him even more]] or [[AndIMustScream transfers Shirou's soul into a doll to "keep" him]].


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* NoYay: Sums up a large portion of the hero villain interactions:
** When Ilya's interactions with Shirou aren't cute, she comes off as a possessive stalker. Special mention to when she asks him to "be mine" in ''Fate'' and image looks like she's about to rape him.
** Gilgamesh towards Saber. He claims her as property like he does everything else and most his comments involve trying to rape her. Even his remarks that he's attracted to her more because she's repulsed by him don't help.
** Caster and Saber when [[spoiler: she has her captured in ''Unlimited Blade Works''. Caster seems to relish in Saber's pain, off-screen stripped her naked and put her in a revealing dress, and the narrations imply she intends to use her Command Spells to make Saber into a sex slave.]]
** Shinji towards, any female character he meets.


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** Knowing in advance that Kotomine is a villain leads his monologues when he first appears.
14th Jul '16 10:57:24 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Sakura. She's either well-loved or TheScrappy depending on who you ask and almost never somewhere in between.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Sakura. She's either well-loved or TheScrappy depending on who you ask and almost never somewhere in between.
10th May '16 3:18:08 PM reppuzan
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* Due to the way that magecraft works in the Nasuverse, virtually any crossover with another magically-inclined series in which he travels to their universe will give Shirou a massive power boost since he no longer has to worry about Gaia's influence, allowing him to use his abilities more frequently and with greater power than ever before.

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* ** Due to the way that magecraft works in the Nasuverse, virtually any crossover with another magically-inclined series in which he travels to their universe will give Shirou a massive power boost since he no longer has to worry about Gaia's influence, allowing him to use his abilities more frequently and with greater power than ever before.
10th May '16 3:13:59 PM reppuzan
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** On a lesser note, the fact that Shirou's parents are completely unknown opens ample room for speculation, as well as a crossover motivator should Shirou's biological family be somehow found.



* Due to the way that magecraft works in the Nasuverse, virtually any crossover with another magically-inclined series will give Shirou a massive power boost since he no longer has to worry about Gaia's influence, allowing him to use his abilities more frequently and with greater power than ever before.

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* Due to the way that magecraft works in the Nasuverse, virtually any crossover with another magically-inclined series in which he travels to their universe will give Shirou a massive power boost since he no longer has to worry about Gaia's influence, allowing him to use his abilities more frequently and with greater power than ever before.
1st May '16 4:42:34 PM reppuzan
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* '''Fanon:''' Due to the way that magecraft works in the Nasuverse, virtually any crossover with another magically-inclined series will give Shirou a massive power boost since he no longer has to worry about Gaia's influence, allowing him to use his abilities more frequently and with greater power than ever before.


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* Due to the way that magecraft works in the Nasuverse, virtually any crossover with another magically-inclined series will give Shirou a massive power boost since he no longer has to worry about Gaia's influence, allowing him to use his abilities more frequently and with greater power than ever before.
1st May '16 4:41:46 PM reppuzan
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** The [[InterdimensionalTravelDevice second true magic]] that is discussed in Heaven's Feel is the perfect device to justify nearly any crossover you can think of. This is helped by the fact that in the True Ending to the route, [[spoiler: Rin becomes an apprentice to Zelretch, the mage who mastered said magic.]]

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** The [[InterdimensionalTravelDevice second true magic]] Second True Magic]] that is discussed in Heaven's Feel is the perfect device to justify nearly any crossover you can think of. This is helped by the fact that in the True Ending to the route, [[spoiler: Rin becomes an apprentice to Zelretch, the mage who mastered said magic.]] Said mage is also a total troll and would likely send people to other dimensions for a laugh.]]
* '''Fanon:''' Due to the way that magecraft works in the Nasuverse, virtually any crossover with another magically-inclined series will give Shirou a massive power boost since he no longer has to worry about Gaia's influence, allowing him to use his abilities more frequently and with greater power than ever before.
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