History YMMV / FateStayNight

12th Feb '17 9:56:24 AM guts44
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** DamselScrappy: Sakura fits this trope pretty well. She has the biggest hatedom of the cast and she's one of the least commercial character in the series aside of Shinji and Zouken - two [[HateSink Hate Sinks]] - despise being one of the main heroines. [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass It's not very hard to understand why]]: Rin and Saber get to kick plenty of asses in and outside their routes. As for Sakura, Shirou spends most of HF [[spoiler:sacrificing everything]] to save her, while she doesn't (and can't) do much to help him, [[spoiler:the fact that she's, however unintentionally, responsible for [[PlayerPunch Saber's corruption and death at Shirou's hands]]]], and many feel that their romance is underdeveloped on Shirou's end. And the fact that she's a PatientChildhoodLoveInterest impacts her chemistry with Shirou since a lot of his interest in her has to rely more heavily on [[ShowDontTell telling instead of showing]]. [[BreakTheCutie Justified]] or not, people usually don't like characters who don't contribute as much as the others or don't have many character traits outside of being [[TheWoobie sympathetic]]. It's been rumored that she was the least favorite character of the staff, which may explain things.
12th Feb '17 6:28:58 AM mega95gox
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** His ''Fate'' version is mainly accused for being a VanillaProtagonist whose relationship with Saber is unrealistic and even [[Creator/GenUrobuchi Urobuchi]] agrees, believing that it's mostly a "complicated relationship with a boy who became a girl". A good number of fans softened their opinion on him after finding out that his CharacterDevelopment and relationship with Saber are more focused on their SurvivorsGuilt and personal issues in regards to their past failures than his IdealHero beliefs. Even the critics are looking forward to his and Saber's relationship, calling it "interesting".
** His ''Unlimited Blade Works'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' versions are widely praised for being a {{Deconstruction}} of VanillaProtagonist, getting better CharacterDevelopment, and showing his badassery its peak. These traits are later carried on to his AlternateSelf in ''[[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya PRISMA☆ILLYA]]''.

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** His ''Fate'' version incarnation is mainly accused for being a VanillaProtagonist whose relationship with Saber is unrealistic and even [[Creator/GenUrobuchi Urobuchi]] agrees, believing that it's mostly a "complicated relationship with a boy who became a girl". A good number of fans softened their opinion on him after finding out that his CharacterDevelopment and relationship with Saber are more focused on their SurvivorsGuilt and personal issues in regards to their past failures than his IdealHero beliefs. Even the critics are looking forward to his and Saber's relationship, calling it "interesting".
** His ''Unlimited Blade Works'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' versions incarnations are widely praised for being a {{Deconstruction}} of VanillaProtagonist, getting better CharacterDevelopment, and showing his badassery its peak. These traits are later carried on to his AlternateSelf in ''[[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya PRISMA☆ILLYA]]''.



** Shinji is arguably even more so than Shirou. His poor treatment of Sakura [[spoiler:and Rider]] as well as being a SmugSnake and a DirtyCoward has turned off a lot of fans. He's also qualified as a HateSink though.

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** Shinji is arguably even more so than Shirou.so. His poor treatment of Sakura [[spoiler:and Rider]] as well as being a SmugSnake and a DirtyCoward has turned off a lot of fans. He's also qualified as a HateSink though.
12th Feb '17 4:36:14 AM mega95gox
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** His ''Unlimited Blade Works'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' versions are widely praised for being a {{Deconstruction}} of VanillaProtagonist, getting better CharacterDevelopment, and showing how {{Badass}} he can be at its peak. These traits are later carried on to his AlternateSelf in ''[[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya PRISMA☆ILLYA]]''.

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** His ''Unlimited Blade Works'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' versions are widely praised for being a {{Deconstruction}} of VanillaProtagonist, getting better CharacterDevelopment, and showing how {{Badass}} he can be at his badassery its peak. These traits are later carried on to his AlternateSelf in ''[[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya PRISMA☆ILLYA]]''.
12th Feb '17 4:35:14 AM mega95gox
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** His ''Unlimited Blade Works'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' versions are widely praised for being a {{Deconstruction}} of VanillaProtagonist, getting better CharacterDevelopment, and showing how {{Badass}} he can be at its peak. These traits are later carried on to his AlternateSelf in ''[[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya Prisma Illya]]''.

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** His ''Unlimited Blade Works'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' versions are widely praised for being a {{Deconstruction}} of VanillaProtagonist, getting better CharacterDevelopment, and showing how {{Badass}} he can be at its peak. These traits are later carried on to his AlternateSelf in ''[[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya Prisma Illya]]''.PRISMA☆ILLYA]]''.
12th Feb '17 4:34:38 AM mega95gox
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** His ''Unlimited Blade Works'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' versions are widely praised for being a {{Deconstruction}} of VanillaProtagonist, getting better CharacterDevelopment, and showing how {{Badass}} he can be at its peak.

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** His ''Unlimited Blade Works'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' versions are widely praised for being a {{Deconstruction}} of VanillaProtagonist, getting better CharacterDevelopment, and showing how {{Badass}} he can be at its peak. These traits are later carried on to his AlternateSelf in ''[[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya Prisma Illya]]''.
12th Feb '17 4:31:11 AM mega95gox
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** His ''Fate'' version is mainly accused for being a VanillaProtagonist whose relationship with Saber is unrealistic and even Urobuchi agrees, believing that it's mostly a "complicated relationship with a boy who became a girl". A good number of fans softened their opinion on him after finding out that his CharacterDevelopment and relationship with Saber are more focused on their SurvivorsGuilt and personal issues in regards to their past failures than his IdealHero beliefs. Even the critics are looking forward to his and Saber's relationship, calling it "interesting".

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** His ''Fate'' version is mainly accused for being a VanillaProtagonist whose relationship with Saber is unrealistic and even Urobuchi [[Creator/GenUrobuchi Urobuchi]] agrees, believing that it's mostly a "complicated relationship with a boy who became a girl". A good number of fans softened their opinion on him after finding out that his CharacterDevelopment and relationship with Saber are more focused on their SurvivorsGuilt and personal issues in regards to their past failures than his IdealHero beliefs. Even the critics are looking forward to his and Saber's relationship, calling it "interesting".
12th Feb '17 4:30:39 AM mega95gox
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Shirou in the Visual Novels is fairly tolerable than his other versions:

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Shirou in the Visual Novels is fairly tolerable than when compared to his other versions:
12th Feb '17 4:28:59 AM mega95gox
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Shirou in the Visual Novels is fairly tolerable than his other versions:
** His ''Fate'' version is mainly accused for being a VanillaProtagonist whose relationship with Saber is unrealistic and even Urobuchi agrees, believing that it's mostly a "complicated relationship with a boy who became a girl". A good number of fans softened their opinion on him after finding out that his CharacterDevelopment and relationship with Saber are more focused on their SurvivorsGuilt and personal issues in regards to their past failures than his IdealHero beliefs. Even the critics are looking forward to his and Saber's relationship, calling it "interesting".
** His ''Unlimited Blade Works'' and ''Heaven's Feel'' versions are widely praised for being a {{Deconstruction}} of VanillaProtagonist, getting better CharacterDevelopment, and showing how {{Badass}} he can be at its peak.
11th Feb '17 7:34:07 PM mega95gox
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** Shinji is arguably even more so than Shirou. His poor treatment of Sakura and Rider as well as being a SmugSnake and a DirtyCoward has turned off a lot of fans. He's also qualified as a HateSink though.

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** Shinji is arguably even more so than Shirou. His poor treatment of Sakura and Rider [[spoiler:and Rider]] as well as being a SmugSnake and a DirtyCoward has turned off a lot of fans. He's also qualified as a HateSink though.
11th Feb '17 7:29:42 PM mega95gox
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** While Shirou is [[BaseBreakingCharacter NEVER this]] [[BrokenBase in general]], his DEEN and Ufotable versions get a good deal of flak (especially from the VN fans in the case of the former), which is ''arguably'' the reason why he was ranked 7th, 11th, and 12th in all three character popularity polls respectively.

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** While Shirou is [[BaseBreakingCharacter NEVER never this]] [[BrokenBase in general]], his DEEN and Ufotable versions get a good deal of flak (especially from the VN fans in the case of the former), which is ''arguably'' the reason why he was ranked 7th, 11th, and 12th in all three character popularity polls respectively.


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** Shinji is arguably even more so than Shirou. His poor treatment of Sakura and Rider as well as being a SmugSnake and a DirtyCoward has turned off a lot of fans. He's also qualified as a HateSink though.
** ReplacementScrappy: [[spoiler:True Assassin]] is widely regarded by fans as a poor replacement of Assassin for not getting much characterization and being pathetically weaker than the rest of the Servants.
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