History YMMV / FateStayNight

10th Feb '16 9:44:35 AM foxmccloud4387
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Archer's last act in ''Heaven's Feel'': [[spoiler:did he simply give his arm to Shirou in order to give Shirou a fighting chance against the Shadow, or could he have been aware of what fusing his arm to Shirou would do to him, and thus believed that Shirou killing himself by overusing Archer's Projection could technically count as Archer "killing" Shirou?]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Archer's last act in ''Heaven's Feel'': [[spoiler:did he simply give his arm to Shirou in order to give Shirou a fighting chance against the Shadow, being completely unaware of how the arm would slowly kill him, or could he have been aware of what fusing his arm to Shirou would do to him, and thus believed that Shirou killing himself by overusing Archer's Projection could technically count as Archer "killing" Shirou?]]
9th Feb '16 12:59:49 PM foxmccloud4387
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Archer's last act in ''Heaven's Feel'': [[spoiler:did he simply give his arm to Shirou in order to give Shirou a fighting chance against the Shadow, or could he have been aware of what fusing his arm to Shirou would do to him, and thus believed that Shirou killing himself by overusing Archer's Projection could technically count as Archer "killing" Shirou?]]
22nd Jan '16 10:36:04 AM ElvenQueen
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Saber is the most popular character in the fandom; she is one of the main characters of the story, so of course she going to get a lot of screen time; and she's never portrayed as being perfect or always in the right. She does not qualify as a Creators Pet. Also got rid of the bullet point about Saber in the Base Breaker section for similar reasons: she'd only be a Base Breaker if fan opinion about her was evenly divided, and fan opinion about Saber is overwhelmingly positive. On another note, moved the entry about the base-breaking nature of HF to be under Broken Base, because HF is a route, not a character.
* BaseBreaker: ** Sakura. She's either well-loved or TheScrappy depending on who you ask and almost never somewhere in between. ** Saber is one for fans of the {{Nasuverse}} in general due to the [[FountainOfExpies absurd number of expies]] based on her, her WolverinePublicity, and being perceived as a SpotlightStealingSquad. It doesn't help that she's the [[CreatorsPet Artist's favorite character]] ** ''Heaven's Feel,'' with its focus on Sakura, also gets this. The route is either the best of the three by far and a literary masterpiece, or a shallow MarySue love story that relies far too much on "suffering=depth".
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* BaseBreaker: ** BaseBreaker: Sakura. She's either well-loved or TheScrappy depending on who you ask and almost never somewhere in between. ** Saber is one for fans of the {{Nasuverse}} in general due to the [[FountainOfExpies absurd number of expies]] based on her, her WolverinePublicity, and being perceived as a SpotlightStealingSquad. It doesn't help that she's the [[CreatorsPet Artist's favorite character]] ** ''Heaven's Feel,'' with its focus on Sakura, also gets this. The route is either the best of the three by far and a literary masterpiece, or a shallow MarySue love story that relies far too much on "suffering=depth".between.

* BaseBreaker: ** Sakura. She's either well-loved or TheScrappy depending on who you ask and almost never somewhere in between. ** Saber is one for fans of the {{Nasuverse}} in general due to the [[FountainOfExpies absurd number of expies]] based on her, her WolverinePublicity, and being perceived as a SpotlightStealingSquad. It doesn't help that she's the [[CreatorsPet Artist's favorite character]] ** ''Heaven's Feel,'' Feel'', with its focus on Sakura, Sakura (see BaseBreaker above), also gets this. The route is either the best of the three by far and a literary masterpiece, or a shallow MarySue love story that relies far too much on "suffering=depth".

* CreatorsPet: ** A meta example would be Saber, who is Takashi Takeuchi (the artist and character designer)'s favorite character. Though she doesn't get much in the way of special treatment in the game itself beyond always being somewhat relevant in all three routes, she does have [[FountainOfExpies a ton of Expies made in her general mold]] throughout the franchise and much of the series' merchandise is centered around her.
20th Jan '16 2:12:51 PM ElvenQueen
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As far as I know, Ishtar is never mentioned in the VN.
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The VN says [[spoiler:Gilgamesh]] "knew" [[spoiler:Innana]]/[[spoiler:Ishtar]] to be 'a deceiver, destroyer of men', which is according the latest, patriarchal version of MesopotamianMythology. Originally goddess of love and fertility, the mother of humanity and a female role model, her character was made weaker and malign, into a vengeful, man-destroying wench (summarized in [[spoiler:Gilgamesh]]'s [[TheEpicOfGilgamesh epic rant]] against her), a StrawFeminist alone in a mostly patriarchal pantheon (eg sending plagues on humanity to get at the one man who raped her in her sleep). The VN puts its own slant on it by implying she caused [[spoiler:Gilgamesh's]] StartOfDarkness.
30th Dec '15 11:32:17 AM Aquar1us
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The VN says [[spoiler:Gilgamesh]] "knew" [[spoiler:Innana]]/[[spoiler:Ishtar]] to be 'a deceiver, destroyer of men', which is according the latest, patriarchal version of MesopotamianMythology. Originally goddess of love and fertility, the mother of humanity and a female role model, her character was made weaker and malign, into a vengeful, man-destroying wench (summarized in [[spoiler:Gilgamesh]]'s [[TheEpicOfGilgamesh epic rant]] against her), a StrawFeminist alone in a mostly patriarchal pantheon (eg sending plagues on humanity to get at the one man who raped her in her sleep). The VN puts its own slant on it by implying she caused [[spoiler:Gilgamesh's]] StartOfDarkness.
30th Dec '15 9:28:54 AM Aquar1us
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* ValuesDissonance: At one point, it is revealed that Rider feels insecure about being too tall for a girl. This is an issue that a lot of real life girls can relate to... Except for the fact that Rider is only 172cm tall, which depending on where you live, could be considered as rather short. More than value differences, it shows the differences in height standards between different societies.
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* ValuesDissonance: At one point, it is revealed that Rider feels insecure about being too tall for a girl. This is an issue that a lot of real life girls can relate to... Except for the fact that Rider is only 172cm tall, which depending on where you live, could be considered as rather short. More than value differences, it shows the differences in height standards physical heights between different societies.
30th Dec '15 9:27:01 AM Aquar1us
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** Lancer's Gae Bolg... or, if you prefer, his "Gay Bulge".
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** Lancer's long, veiny, red and piercing Gae Bolg... or, if you prefer, his "Gay Bulge".
28th Dec '15 2:32:38 PM TheNerfGuy
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Mary Sue and it's subcategories are now Flame Bait.
* SympatheticSue: Sakura.
9th Dec '15 6:26:00 AM Tuvenia
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*** [[https://youtu.be/_co_bmKCPbo Unlimited Budget Works Edition]]
30th Nov '15 11:38:41 PM SeptimusHeap
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** The "Superhero" BadEnd in ''Heaven's Feel'' where [[spoiler:Shirou pragmatically allows Sakura to die to save many people]], considering [[WhatTheHellHero everyone's reactions]], might be an {{in-universe}} example.
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** The "Superhero" BadEnd in ''Heaven's Feel'' where [[spoiler:Shirou pragmatically allows Sakura to die to save many people]], considering [[WhatTheHellHero everyone's reactions]], might be an {{in-universe}} InUniverse example.

*** This is ''extremely'' YMMV, due to the facts that [[spoiler:all the killing and devouring happened when she was unconscious]] and the rest when [[spoiler:she was under the influence of [[ArtifactOfDoom the Holy Grail]]]]. Moreover, the ''degree'' to which these facts apply is often hotly debated within the more ... devoted fanbase.
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