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12th Dec '17 9:47:43 AM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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** Quagmire also gets hit with this in "Quagmire's Mom". Rather than owning up to the fact that he had sex with '''''an underage girl''''', he blames it on his moral upbringing by stating that his mother is the reason why he's the sex maniac he is today. To cap it off, when his mother does come along to ask for forgiveness he decides to be a complete asshole to her and still refuses even after she has sex with the judge in order to [[KarmaHoudini get him out of going to jail for 20 years]] for his crime. It is truly sickening that Quagmire still considers himself to be a better person than Brian after this episode.

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** There are several examples of Quagmire also gets hit with being guilty of this, mostly after the introduction of his petty hatred for Brian:
*** "Jerome is the New Black". While the points he gives during his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Brian are valid, it comes off as very hypocritical when he's done some of the same things he calls out Brian for to an equal if not greater extent (such lusting over Lois and abandoning his offspring). He defends himself by saying [[AtLeastIAdmitIt he at least admits to being predatory towards women]]... [[TheSociopath which tacitly confirms that he doesn't feel any remorse for the dozens of rapes he's committed]] ([[WouldHurtAChild in which many of his victims were underaged, no less]]). Sure Brian can be an asshole at times, but episodes before and after
this in one have shown that Quagmire as a whole is more morally bankrupt as a character than Brian will ever be.
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"Quagmire's Mom". Rather than owning up to the fact that he had sex with '''''an underage girl''''', he blames it on his moral upbringing by stating that his mother is the reason why he's the sex maniac he is today. To cap it off, when his mother does come along to ask for forgiveness he decides to be a complete asshole to her and still refuses even after she has sex with the judge in order to [[KarmaHoudini get him out of going to jail for 20 years]] for his crime. It is truly sickening that Quagmire still considers himself to be a better person than Brian after this episode.
9th Dec '17 9:29:39 AM PrincessGwen
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** The storyline of Brian being kicked out of the Griffin household that lasted for three episodes ("The D in Apartment 23", "Petey IV" and "Crimes and Meg's Demeanor") Was it a great way of showing that the show continues to be GrowingTheBeard after several lackluster seasons earlier, or was it pointless to drag out an idea that's clearly better off only being a single episode? It already didn't help that the remaining two episodes dealing with the plot only had it as the '''''subplot''''' meaning that it wasn't even the main focus. What's worse was that both the supporters and detractors of the idea were in agreement that its continuation as shown in "Petey IV" would've been better off being left on the cutting room floor. Lastly, the detractors point out how it's conclusion in "Crimes and Meg's Demeanor" could've very easily taken place with Brian still living with the Griffins especially since the scene where he is welcomed back into their household (by being claimed as a local hero for unintentionally busting Principal Sheppard for stealing food from the high school cafeteria) feels very tacked on.

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** The storyline of Brian being kicked out of the Griffin household that lasted for three episodes ("The D in Apartment 23", "Petey IV" and "Crimes and Meg's Demeanor") Was it a great way of showing that the show continues to be GrowingTheBeard after several lackluster seasons earlier, or was it pointless to drag out an idea that's clearly better off only being a single episode? It already didn't help that the remaining two episodes dealing with the plot only had it as the '''''subplot''''' meaning that it wasn't even the main focus. What's worse was that both the supporters and detractors of the idea were in agreement that its continuation as shown in "Petey IV" would've been better off being left on the cutting room floor. Lastly, the detractors point out how it's its conclusion in "Crimes and Meg's Demeanor" could've very easily taken place with Brian still living with the Griffins especially since the scene where he is welcomed back into their household (by being claimed as a local hero for unintentionally busting Principal Sheppard for stealing food from the high school cafeteria) feels very tacked on.



* ShallowParody: The Quinten Tarintino portion of "Three Directors" doesn't really have much to say or offer other than "Tarintino movies are violent as shit!". As a result, the whole segment is very off-putting thanks to it being the most pointlessly violent and graphic the show has been since Season 13 [[note]]Examples including Peter stabbing Dr. Hartman in the eyes, the disturbing ways that some of the Tricia clones die (one gets a beer bottle impaled in her eye while another has her spine broken with her busted skeleton being exposed) and Angelia getting sliced in half.[[/note]].

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* ShallowParody: The Quinten Tarintino Quentin Tarantino portion of "Three Directors" doesn't really have much to say or offer other than "Tarintino "Tarantino movies are violent as shit!". As a result, the whole segment is very off-putting thanks to it being the most pointlessly violent and graphic the show has been since Season 13 [[note]]Examples including Peter stabbing Dr. Hartman in the eyes, the disturbing ways that some of the Tricia clones die (one gets a beer bottle impaled in her eye while another has her spine broken with her busted skeleton being exposed) and Angelia getting sliced in half.[[/note]].
4th Dec '17 12:24:12 PM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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** "The D in Apartment 23" ending with [[spoiler:Brian still in his own apartment separated from the Griffins with the promise of this plot to be continued for at least two more episodes. Is this a great way of showing that the show continues to be GrowingTheBeard after several lackluster seasons earlier, or is it pointless to drag out an idea that's clearly better off only being a single episode? It didn't help that both the supporters and detractors of the idea were in agreement that its continuation as shown in "Petey IV" (where it was only as a subplot no less) was worse than what was shown in the preceding episode and that the episode would've been better off if they had just cut it out entirely]].

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** "The The storyline of Brian being kicked out of the Griffin household that lasted for three episodes ("The D in Apartment 23" ending with [[spoiler:Brian still in his own apartment separated from the Griffins with the promise of this plot to be continued for at least two more episodes. Is this 23", "Petey IV" and "Crimes and Meg's Demeanor") Was it a great way of showing that the show continues to be GrowingTheBeard after several lackluster seasons earlier, or is was it pointless to drag out an idea that's clearly better off only being a single episode? It already didn't help that the remaining two episodes dealing with the plot only had it as the '''''subplot''''' meaning that it wasn't even the main focus. What's worse was that both the supporters and detractors of the idea were in agreement that its continuation as shown in "Petey IV" (where it was only as a subplot no less) was worse than what was shown in the preceding episode and that the episode would've been better off if they had just cut it being left on the cutting room floor. Lastly, the detractors point out entirely]].how it's conclusion in "Crimes and Meg's Demeanor" could've very easily taken place with Brian still living with the Griffins especially since the scene where he is welcomed back into their household (by being claimed as a local hero for unintentionally busting Principal Sheppard for stealing food from the high school cafeteria) feels very tacked on.
2nd Dec '17 12:48:06 AM PrincessGwen
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* LoveItOrHateIt: It's either a great show with it's own bizarre sense of humor or mean-spirited, [[ReferenceOverdosed pop-culture dependent]] garbage. And the opinions becomes more and more split with each passing season.
2nd Dec '17 12:46:08 AM PrincessGwen
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** "The D in Apartment 23" ending with [[spoiler:Brian still in his own apartment separated from the Griffins with the promise of this plot to be continued for at least two more episodes. Is this a great way of showing that the show continues to be GrowingTheBeard after several lackluster seasons earlier, or is it pointless to drag out an idea that's clearly better off only being a single episode. It didn't help that both the supporters and detractors of the idea were in agreement that it's continuation as shown in "Petey IV" (where it was only as a subplot no less) was worse than what was shown in the preceding episode and that the episode would've been better off if they had just cut it out entirely]].

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** "The D in Apartment 23" ending with [[spoiler:Brian still in his own apartment separated from the Griffins with the promise of this plot to be continued for at least two more episodes. Is this a great way of showing that the show continues to be GrowingTheBeard after several lackluster seasons earlier, or is it pointless to drag out an idea that's clearly better off only being a single episode. episode? It didn't help that both the supporters and detractors of the idea were in agreement that it's its continuation as shown in "Petey IV" (where it was only as a subplot no less) was worse than what was shown in the preceding episode and that the episode would've been better off if they had just cut it out entirely]].



* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Fans of the show from when it was a short-lived cult show occasionally aired on late nights felt "betrayed" when it's final {{un|Canceled}}cancelation turned it into the pop-culture behemoth that it is now. Creator/SethMacFarlane, by his own admittance, never understood the logic behind this mentality.

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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Fans of the show from when it was a short-lived cult show occasionally aired on late nights felt "betrayed" when it's its final {{un|Canceled}}cancelation turned it into the pop-culture behemoth that it is now. Creator/SethMacFarlane, by his own admittance, never understood the logic behind this mentality.



* JumpingTheShark: There are ''so many'' moments in the show, particularly later on, that it's safe to say it's done this so many times, it's not shocking when the writers do it again. But to name some moments:
** Season 7 has the episode where Brian comes out as Atheist.
** Season 10 has episodes like "Seahorse Seashell Party" and "Screams in Silence."
** Season 12 has episodes like "Life of Brian," "Christmas Guy," "Brian's a Bad Father," "Fresh Heir," and "Herpe the Love Sore."
** And season 13 has "Stewie is Enciente."
30th Nov '17 11:59:11 PM VisitorAlex
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[CrossesTheLineTwice Let's see?]]
** Whoever originally did, and now has tried, to run over Brian (even to be HeWhoMustNotBeSeen), is a enough candidate to qualify as MoralEventHorizon, as he was fully aware that the dog was there and (almost) crushed him with the tires anyway. Some fans have theorized that Quagmire was probably responsible, though he was decent enough to attend Brian's funeral even if it wasn't too interested in it.
** Speaking of Quagmire, some fans think he really crossed it when he raped Marge Simpson, then killed her and the entire Simpson family. DudeNotFunny was the usual reaction to this, including Matt Groening. Hell, some argue that [[JumpingTheShark this is when]] '''[[JumpingTheShark the show itself]]''' [[JumpingTheShark crossed it]]! It doesn't help that this was after when ''The Simpsons Movie'' was released during that same year.
** Most fans declared that Peter finally went beyond redemption during "Brian Griffin's House of Payne", in which he threw an injured Stewie under his moving car while Lois was backing out of the driveway in order to [[FrameUp frame her for his head wound]], and admits that he knocked out his other kids in the past ("Sometimes by accident, sometimes because the Patriots lost").
** There's also a scene in which [[ButtMonkey Meg]] casually walks into the living room and greets her father. How does he reply? He shoots her in the face of course!
** While Jeff from "Screams of Silence" was portrayed as being nasty and sadistic even before he actually appeared on the show, (as "Jerome is the New Black" established that he was an abusive asshole who was dating Quagmire's sister), you could argue that his attempts to [[spoiler:kill Peter, Joe, and Quagmire]] pretty much was THE moment when it was proven that he wasn't going to turn back.
** Lois in "Stew-Roids" when she gives up in trying to console Meg and leaves her a Creator/SylviaPlath book and a bottle of Ambien (compare to the episode, "Fish Out of Water," where Lois actually was nice enough to take Meg to the beach for spring break and encouraged her to be like the popular kids or "And The Wiener Is..." where she cooks up a revenge plan to get back at the popular kids who pelted Meg with meat during her flag squad performance).
-->'''Lois:''' I'm going to look away and whatever happens, happens.
** Brian in "Be Careful What You Fish For" when he leaves Stewie and other toddlers to the negligence of the teacher he's dating and tries to keep Stewie from telling Lois.
*** For many, Brian's topped this when he knowingly gave both Chris and Stewie herpes in "Herpe, The Love Sore" after [[DisproportionateRetribution being pestered by Stewie, and later agreeing, to become blood brothers with them]]. It's especially rubbed people the wrong way for him doing so with Stewie since he did so even though he's the only one who knows [[spoiler: that Stewie changed the timeline to save his life.]]
** It might be a ToughActToFollow for him to top the act of intentionally giving Stewie herpes in "Herpe the Love Sore" ''(keep in mind that Stewie is the very reason he's '''alive''')'', but Brian still crossed it in "Brian The Closer" when he purposely pulls a fake MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment to purposely screw Quagmire over, even after the latter looked past his hatred to help Brian in his own time of need.
** And among his many other candidates who can forget him running over a squirrel out of sadism, in a dark parody of dog behaviour towards squirrels which is unacceptable since Brian is more of a human in mind than a dog.
** Brian topped the act of scamming Quagmire in "American Gigg-olo" because he was going to save a woman who was trapped in her car while it was sinking but he killed the woman by letting go of the car, after she announced that she needed to grab her baby. Brian topped two moral event horizons by killing a woman and baby because he only planned to save the mother for sex. What makes this worse is that when he spoke of the how he got a hernia from the act, he lied by arrogantly regarding the murder and infanticide as an act heroism.
** Bertram [[spoiler:killing Leonardo Da Vinci]] and attempting to destroy the universe in "The Big Bang Theory".
** Penelope crosses it when she tells Stewie to [[spoiler:kill Brian]] because she saw him as a threat. Earlier she had killed a kid for pushing Stewie, and caused a war between Pakistan and India.
** In "The Old Man and the Big C", Carter's industry discovered the cure for cancer in 1999 and has been keeping it from the public ever since, using the excuse that they get more money treating cancer patients for a lifetime than if they dure them in a day. When Brian reveals the secret to the Griffin family and Lois makes her father promise to publicize the cure, what does Carter do? He '''LIES.''' Lois immediately calls him demanding an explanation, at which point he flat-out admits to lying before abruptly hanging up on her.
*** He also tormented an orphan boy in "No Chris left behind" [[ForTheEvulz just for kicks]]. And he stated he does this every month.
** [[spoiler:Diane Simmons crossed it in "And Then There Were Fewer", when she murders James Woods and Priscilla, and then frames Tom Tucker for doing this.]]
** Stewie nearly murders his mother (though even if [[spoiler:it was just a simulation]]), and he has also killed people throughout the series.
** Even ''Meg'' crossed it when she tricks a gay guy into almost raping her brother.
** Chris arguably crossed the line in "Secondhand Spoke", where he trapped Stewie in his backpack for days, telling him that he would die in there and daring him to name one person who loves him. By the end of the episode he gets better with the whole "you became the bully" message, but some of his moments seemed overly harsh.
** Sheriff Nichols seems to be a Jerkass sheriff at first, deciding to frame Peter Griffin and his friends so that they'll have to spend two weeks at a prison...but it quickly becomes apparent just how horrible he is when Peter discovers that he and the warden are never planning to let them go.
** In "April in Quahog", Peter's comment seconds before the supposed "end of the world," expressing shame and disgust for his children, uttered deliberately in thinking that he will have no price to pay. How sadly mistaken he is once the "April Fools Day" hoax passes without incident ... and even Peter's heartfelt apology is fruitless -- Meg, Chris and Stewie are still very pissed at their father, so he ends up buying an Xbox 360 to be EasilyForgiven by his kids.

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* MoralEventHorizon: [[CrossesTheLineTwice Let's see?]]
** Whoever originally did, and now has tried, to run over Brian (even to be HeWhoMustNotBeSeen), is a enough candidate to qualify as MoralEventHorizon, as he was fully aware that the dog was there and (almost) crushed him with the tires anyway. Some fans have theorized that Quagmire was probably responsible, though he was decent enough to attend Brian's funeral even if it wasn't too interested in it.
** Speaking of Quagmire, some fans think he really crossed it when he raped Marge Simpson, then killed her and the entire Simpson family. DudeNotFunny was the usual reaction to this, including Matt Groening. Hell, some argue that [[JumpingTheShark this is when]] '''[[JumpingTheShark the show itself]]''' [[JumpingTheShark crossed it]]! It doesn't help that this was after when ''The Simpsons Movie'' was released during that same year.
** Most fans declared that Peter finally went beyond redemption during "Brian Griffin's House of Payne", in which he threw an injured Stewie under his moving car while Lois was backing out of the driveway in order to [[FrameUp frame her for his head wound]], and admits that he knocked out his other kids in the past ("Sometimes by accident, sometimes because the Patriots lost").
** There's also a scene in which [[ButtMonkey Meg]] casually walks into the living room and greets her father. How does he reply? He shoots her in the face of course!
** While Jeff from "Screams of Silence" was portrayed as being nasty and sadistic even before he actually appeared on the show, (as "Jerome is the New Black" established that he was an abusive asshole who was dating Quagmire's sister), you could argue that his attempts to [[spoiler:kill Peter, Joe, and Quagmire]] pretty much was THE moment when it was proven that he wasn't going to turn back.
** Lois in "Stew-Roids" when she gives up in trying to console Meg and leaves her a Creator/SylviaPlath book and a bottle of Ambien (compare to the episode, "Fish Out of Water," where Lois actually was nice enough to take Meg to the beach for spring break and encouraged her to be like the popular kids or "And The Wiener Is..." where she cooks up a revenge plan to get back at the popular kids who pelted Meg with meat during her flag squad performance).
-->'''Lois:''' I'm going to look away and whatever happens, happens.
** Brian in "Be Careful What You Fish For" when he leaves Stewie and other toddlers to the negligence of the teacher he's dating and tries to keep Stewie from telling Lois.
*** For many, Brian's topped this when he knowingly gave both Chris and Stewie herpes in "Herpe, The Love Sore" after [[DisproportionateRetribution being pestered by Stewie, and later agreeing, to become blood brothers with them]]. It's especially rubbed people the wrong way for him doing so with Stewie since he did so even though he's the only one who knows [[spoiler: that Stewie changed the timeline to save his life.]]
** It might be a ToughActToFollow for him to top the act of intentionally giving Stewie herpes in "Herpe the Love Sore" ''(keep in mind that Stewie is the very reason he's '''alive''')'', but Brian still crossed it in "Brian The Closer" when he purposely pulls a fake MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment to purposely screw Quagmire over, even after the latter looked past his hatred to help Brian in his own time of need.
** And among his many other candidates who can forget him running over a squirrel out of sadism, in a dark parody of dog behaviour towards squirrels which is unacceptable since Brian is more of a human in mind than a dog.
** Brian topped the act of scamming Quagmire in "American Gigg-olo" because he was going to save a woman who was trapped in her car while it was sinking but he killed the woman by letting go of the car, after she announced that she needed to grab her baby. Brian topped two moral event horizons by killing a woman and baby because he only planned to save the mother for sex. What makes this worse is that when he spoke of the how he got a hernia from the act, he lied by arrogantly regarding the murder and infanticide as an act heroism.
** Bertram [[spoiler:killing Leonardo Da Vinci]] and attempting to destroy the universe in "The Big Bang Theory".
** Penelope crosses it when she tells Stewie to [[spoiler:kill Brian]] because she saw him as a threat. Earlier she had killed a kid for pushing Stewie, and caused a war between Pakistan and India.
** In "The Old Man and the Big C", Carter's industry discovered the cure for cancer in 1999 and has been keeping it from the public ever since, using the excuse that they get more money treating cancer patients for a lifetime than if they dure them in a day. When Brian reveals the secret to the Griffin family and Lois makes her father promise to publicize the cure, what does Carter do? He '''LIES.''' Lois immediately calls him demanding an explanation, at which point he flat-out admits to lying before abruptly hanging up on her.
*** He also tormented an orphan boy in "No Chris left behind" [[ForTheEvulz just for kicks]]. And he stated he does this every month.
** [[spoiler:Diane Simmons crossed it in "And Then There Were Fewer", when she murders James Woods and Priscilla, and then frames Tom Tucker for doing this.]]
** Stewie nearly murders his mother (though even if [[spoiler:it was just a simulation]]), and he has also killed people throughout the series.
** Even ''Meg'' crossed it when she tricks a gay guy into almost raping her brother.
** Chris arguably crossed the line in "Secondhand Spoke", where he trapped Stewie in his backpack for days, telling him that he would die in there and daring him to name one person who loves him. By the end of the episode he gets better with the whole "you became the bully" message, but some of his moments seemed overly harsh.
** Sheriff Nichols seems to be a Jerkass sheriff at first, deciding to frame Peter Griffin and his friends so that they'll have to spend two weeks at a prison...but it quickly becomes apparent just how horrible he is when Peter discovers that he and the warden are never planning to let them go.
** In "April in Quahog", Peter's comment seconds before the supposed "end of the world," expressing shame and disgust for his children, uttered deliberately in thinking that he will have no price to pay. How sadly mistaken he is once the "April Fools Day" hoax passes without incident ... and even Peter's heartfelt apology is fruitless -- Meg, Chris and Stewie are still very pissed at their father, so he ends up buying an Xbox 360 to be EasilyForgiven by his kids.
[[MoralEventHorizon/FamilyGuy See here]].
26th Nov '17 9:28:38 PM SkidTroper
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** The show often slips into this where Christianity is concerned, to the point it often resembles TheWarOnStraw.

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** The show often slips into this where Christianity is concerned, to the point it often resembles crosses into TheWarOnStraw.



*** Also, there is a cutaway gag where Judas and Pontius Pilate befriend each other after they both say they want to kill Jesus. First, they never met; Judas teamed up with some Jewish religious leaders (Pharisees) to kill Jesus (and was guilt-stricken afterwards). Second, Pilate tried to ''save'' Jesus, but didn't due to risk of revolt from people who wanted Jesus dead (which those Pharisees involved indirectly encouraged).
*** The "Road to the Multiverse" episode, which acts as though the world would have progressed much further and faster technologically if Christianity never existed. The problem with that is that the Catholic Church has always been a huge supporter of the sciences, astronomy and medical science in particular, and that numerous important scientific discoveries and theories, such as the field of genetics and the Big Bang theory, were put forth by Catholic scientists. There's also how most of the information that survived the collapse of the Roman Empire only did so due to the efforts of monks. It also would cancel out every invention invented by a Christian. Finally, the theory runs on the long-debunked view that the Dark Ages were a period where the religious oppressed scientific thought (The slight slowing of scientific progress was due more to people being more preoccupied with picking up the pieces after the collapse of the Roman Empire).
** When Jesus presented an award with The Pussycat Dolls in "I Dream Of Jesus", [[RaceLift all the women were shown as white despite half of them, including lead singer Nicole Scherzinger, being, well, not.]]

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*** Also, there is a cutaway gag where Judas and Pontius Pilate befriend each other after they both say they want to kill Jesus. First, they never met; Judas teamed up with some Jewish religious leaders (Pharisees) to kill Jesus (and was guilt-stricken afterwards). Second, Pilate tried to ''save'' Jesus, but didn't due to risk of revolt from people who wanted Jesus dead (which those Pharisees involved indirectly encouraged).
encouraged). Furthermore, [[DatedHistory historical evidence uncovered after this episode]] infers that Pilate had a low opinion of Jewish people, [[EveryoneHasStandards even compared to his fellow Romans at the time (to the point that Ceasar eventually demoted Pilate)]].
*** The "Road to the Multiverse" episode, which acts as though the world would have progressed much further and faster technologically if Christianity never existed. The problem with that is that the Catholic Church has always been a huge supporter of the sciences, astronomy and medical science in particular, and that numerous important scientific discoveries and theories, such as the field of genetics and the Big Bang theory, were put forth by Catholic scientists. There's also how most of the information that survived the collapse of the Roman Empire only did so due to the efforts of monks. It also would cancel out every invention invented by a Christian. Christian; it also ignores every act of censorship, perseuction and subjugation done by adherents of every other religion and the non-religious. Finally, the theory runs on the long-debunked view idea that the Dark Ages were a period where the religious oppressed scientific thought (The (When in truth most of the records and facts from the time survived ''because'' religious people - mostly monks - kept the records in their libraries. Also, the slight slowing of scientific progress was due more to people being more preoccupied with picking up the pieces after the collapse of the Roman Empire).
** When Jesus presented an award with The Pussycat Dolls in "I Dream Of Jesus", [[RaceLift all the women were shown as white despite half of them, including lead singer Nicole Scherzinger, being, well, not.being clearly non-white.]]
26th Nov '17 1:14:20 PM Scsigs
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* JumpingTheShark: There are ''so many'' moments in the show, particularly later on, that it's safe to say it's done this so many times, it's not shocking when the writers do it again. But to name some moments:
** Season 7 has the episode where Brian comes out as Atheist.
** Season 10 has episodes like "Seahorse Seashell Party" and "Screams in Silence."
** Season 12 has episodes like "Life of Brian," "Christmas Guy," "Brian's a Bad Father," "Fresh Heir," and "Herpe the Love Sore."
** And season 13 has "Stewie is Enciente."
25th Nov '17 8:27:01 AM Silverblade2
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23rd Nov '17 10:51:55 AM ThomasVeggieDramaFan
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** "The D in Apartment 23" ending with [[spoiler:Brian still in his own apartment separated from the Griffins with the promise of this plot to be continued for at least two more episodes. Is this a great way of showing that the show continues to be GrowingTheBeard after several lackluster seasons earlier, or is it pointless to drag out an idea that's clearly better off only being a single episode. The fact this this plotline will continue on only in ''subplots'' meaning that it won't even be the main focus doesn't help matters. "Petey IV" ultimately continued to make things worse by further fueling the idea's detractors with them saying that the plot's continuation in the aforementioned could've been cut entirely and the episode would've been better off for it]].

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** "The D in Apartment 23" ending with [[spoiler:Brian still in his own apartment separated from the Griffins with the promise of this plot to be continued for at least two more episodes. Is this a great way of showing that the show continues to be GrowingTheBeard after several lackluster seasons earlier, or is it pointless to drag out an idea that's clearly better off only being a single episode. The fact this this plotline will continue on only in ''subplots'' meaning It didn't help that it won't even be both the main focus doesn't help matters. supporters and detractors of the idea were in agreement that it's continuation as shown in "Petey IV" ultimately continued to make things (where it was only as a subplot no less) was worse by further fueling the idea's detractors with them saying that the plot's continuation than what was shown in the aforementioned could've been cut entirely preceding episode and that the episode would've been better off for it]].if they had just cut it out entirely]].
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