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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Does Al have a good plan in theory or is the idea that saving JFK would prevent the Vietnam War from going as badly as it did extremely biased and blindly optimistic?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Does Did Al have a good plan in theory or is the idea was his belief that saving JFK would prevent the Vietnam War from going as badly as it did extremely biased and blindly optimistic?



** In the miniseries, all mentions of [[spoiler:Sadie being horribly disfigured, needing surgery to look good again etc. In the book she had been sliced from eye to mouth, giving her a big GlasgowGrin but in the series it's on the side of her face and hardly even visible if she just applies a bit of makeup to it. Not to mention it heals into a very nice looking scar in just a matter of weeks, rather than the years it would actually take. In other words she doesn't look disfigured in the slightest in the miniseries and several times you can't even see the scar, yet she apparently needs to have surgery to fix this horrible disfiguration.]]

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** In the miniseries, all mentions of [[spoiler:Sadie being horribly disfigured, needing surgery to look good again etc. In the book she had been sliced from eye to mouth, giving her a big GlasgowGrin but in the series it's on the side of her face and hardly even visible if she just applies a bit of makeup to it. Not to mention it heals into a very nice looking scar in just a matter of weeks, rather than the years it would actually take. In other words words, she doesn't look disfigured in the slightest in the miniseries and several times you can't even see the scar, yet she apparently needs to have surgery to fix this horrible disfiguration.]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:While telling Jake about the horrific history of [[CrapsackWorld alternate 2011]], Harry mentions that "four of the Japanese islands are gone" due to the Earth's increasing seismic instability. This may or may not count as a FunnyAneurysmMoment, since most of the book was completed by the time of the 2011 Tohoku earthquake, but the actual quake is later mentioned in the story. Speaking of the Japanese disaster, also worth mentioning is how in the alternate timeline a nuclear meltdown in Vermont irradiates much of New England.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:While telling Jake about the horrific history of [[CrapsackWorld alternate 2011]], Harry mentions that "four of the Japanese islands are gone" due to the Earth's increasing seismic instability. This may or may not count as a FunnyAneurysmMoment, Harsher In Hindsight, since most of the book was completed by the time of the 2011 Tohoku earthquake, but the actual quake is later mentioned in the story. Speaking of the Japanese disaster, also worth mentioning is how in the alternate timeline a nuclear meltdown in Vermont irradiates much of New England.]]

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* {{Narm}}: Jake punching Sadie's ex with a cry of "[[AndThisIsFor This is for]] [[ItMakesSenseInContext the broom]]!" While it's true that denying your partner sex ''is'' considered a form of emotional abuse in some cases, this is after the guy has [[spoiler:kidnapped Sadie with the intention of killing both her and Jake himself,]] making the righteous outrage over that particular thing seem... [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous misplaced.]]

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Jake punching Sadie's ex with a cry of "[[AndThisIsFor This is for]] [[ItMakesSenseInContext the broom]]!" While it's true that denying your partner sex ''is'' considered a form of emotional abuse in some cases, this is after the guy has [[spoiler:kidnapped Sadie with the intention of killing both her and Jake himself,]] making the righteous outrage over that particular thing seem... [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous misplaced.]]
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** The 2016 adaptation casts Creator/JamesFranco (the Harry Osborn of the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'') as Jake and Creator/ChrisCooper (the ComicBook/NormanOsborn of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'') as Al. Who knew a universe with the Osborns are in good terms exists!

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** The 2016 adaptation casts Creator/JamesFranco (the Harry Osborn of the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'') as Jake and Creator/ChrisCooper (the ComicBook/NormanOsborn of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'') as Al. Who knew a universe with the Osborns are in on good terms exists!
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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:While telling Jake about the horrific history of [[CrapsackWorld alternate!2011]], Harry mentions that "four of the Japanese islands are gone" due to the Earth's increasing seismic instability. This may or may not count as a FunnyAneurysmMoment, since most of the book was completed by the time of the 2011 Tohoku earthquake, but the actual quake is later mentioned in the story. Speaking of the Japanese disaster, also worth mentioning is how in the alternate timeline a nuclear meltdown in Vermont irradiates much of New England.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler:While telling Jake about the horrific history of [[CrapsackWorld alternate!2011]], alternate 2011]], Harry mentions that "four of the Japanese islands are gone" due to the Earth's increasing seismic instability. This may or may not count as a FunnyAneurysmMoment, since most of the book was completed by the time of the 2011 Tohoku earthquake, but the actual quake is later mentioned in the story. Speaking of the Japanese disaster, also worth mentioning is how in the alternate timeline a nuclear meltdown in Vermont irradiates much of New England.]]
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** The 2016 adaptation casts Creator/JamesFranco (the Harry Osborn of the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'') as Jake and Creator/ChrisCooper (the ComicBook/NormanOsborn of''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'') as Al. Who knew a universe with the Osborns are in good terms exists!

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** The 2016 adaptation casts Creator/JamesFranco (the Harry Osborn of the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'') as Jake and Creator/ChrisCooper (the ComicBook/NormanOsborn of''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'') of ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'') as Al. Who knew a universe with the Osborns are in good terms exists!

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* HilariousInHindsight: In ''Literature/TheLangoliers'', it's mentioned that because of the way the time rip works in it, you can't, say, go back and stop the Kennedy assassination. Try telling that to Jake.

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In ''Literature/TheLangoliers'', it's mentioned that because of the way the time rip works in it, you can't, say, go back and stop the Kennedy assassination. Try telling that to Jake.Jake.
** The 2016 adaptation casts Creator/JamesFranco (the Harry Osborn of the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy'') as Jake and Creator/ChrisCooper (the ComicBook/NormanOsborn of''Film/TheAmazingSpiderManSeries'') as Al. Who knew a universe with the Osborns are in good terms exists!
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* TrappedByMountainLions: [[EnforcedTrope Enforced]] and PlayedForDrama. Al's time portal can only go back to September 9th, 1958, not a day earlier or later, requiring that Jake spend five years integrating himself in late-[[TheFifties 50s]] and early-[[TheSixties 60s]] society. [[TropesAreNotBad Thanks to Stephen King's skill with world-building, some fans consider these portions to be the best parts of the book.]]

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* TrappedByMountainLions: [[EnforcedTrope Enforced]] and PlayedForDrama. Al's time portal can only go back to September 9th, 1958, not a day earlier or later, requiring that Jake spend five years integrating himself in late-[[TheFifties 50s]] and early-[[TheSixties 60s]] society. [[TropesAreNotBad [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools Thanks to Stephen King's skill with world-building, some fans consider these portions to be the best parts of the book.]]
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** The broom isn't so much about the sexual denial aspect as it was the underlying emotional barrier it represents. Sadie comes to view Jake's odd (2011) mannerisms and obsessive secrecy about his life as a metaphorical equivalent in this relationship to the actual broom separating her and John in bed, and it nearly ruins their romance.
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* TrappedByMountainLions: [[EnforcedTroped Enforced]] and PlayedForDrama. Al's time portal can only go back to September 9th, 1958, not a day earlier or later, requiring that Jake spend five years integrating himself in late-[[TheFifties 50s]] and early-[[TheSixties 60s]] society. [[TropesAreNotBad Thanks to Stephen King's skill with world-building, some fans consider these portions to be the best parts of the book.]]

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* TrappedByMountainLions: [[EnforcedTroped [[EnforcedTrope Enforced]] and PlayedForDrama. Al's time portal can only go back to September 9th, 1958, not a day earlier or later, requiring that Jake spend five years integrating himself in late-[[TheFifties 50s]] and early-[[TheSixties 60s]] society. [[TropesAreNotBad Thanks to Stephen King's skill with world-building, some fans consider these portions to be the best parts of the book.]]
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* TrappedByMountainLions: [[EnforcedTroped Enforced]] and PlayedForDrama. Al's time portal can only go back to September 9th, 1958, not a day earlier or later, requiring that Jake spend five years integrating himself in late-[[TheFifties 50s]] and early-[[TheSixties 60s]] society. [[TropesAreNotBad Thanks to Stephen King's skill with world-building, some fans consider these portions to be the best parts of the book.]]
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** [[spoiler: It's also mentioned that [[UsefulNotes/HillaryRodhamClinton Hillary Clinton]] becomes president in 2004 following her husband's death. Two [[UsefulNotes/BarackObama elections]] [[UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump later...]]]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: In ''Literature/TheLangoliers'', it's mentioned that because of the way the time rip works in it, you can't, say, go back and stop the Kennedy assassination. Then this book happened.

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* HilariousInHindsight: In ''Literature/TheLangoliers'', it's mentioned that because of the way the time rip works in it, you can't, say, go back and stop the Kennedy assassination. Then this book happened.Try telling that to Jake.
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** [[spoiler: It's also mentioned that [[UsefulNotes/HillaryRodhamClinton Hillary Clinton]] becomes president in 2004 following her husband's death. Two [[UsefulNotes/BarackObama elections]] [[UsefulNotes/DonaldTrump later...]]]]
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: In the series, after [[spoiler: Johnny]] has been killed and Sadie has been taken to hospital, a cop insists to Jake that he has to take a statement, even though Jake is traumatised and distraught. Jake has just been made to resign from his teaching job, after Deke Simmons has heard from Sadie that he has surveillance equipment in his basement. Then Simmons turns up, tells the cop that he remembers him from his high school football days, puts a comforting arm around Jake and walks him to a car to get him to the hospital.
** Followed by another one in the hospital, where the cop finally does succeed in taking Jake's statement. Jake tells the truth, except that he makes out that [[spoiler: it was he rather than Sadie]] who shot [[spoiler: Johnny]]. Then he tells the cop that if he has to arrest him, so be it. The cop simply says "No need," closes his notebook and walks away.
** In the pilot, Jake attends a speech by then-candidate John F. Kennedy and is clearly moved by seeing a man he's only read about in history books like and in person.



* NightmareFuel: Despite being shot in the arm and face, Harry's father ''keeps on moving.'' The man in general is just... chilling.
** The [[spoiler:brutal beating]] Jake is [[spoiler:subjected to. Not only reading about it from his first-person perspective but the long-term effects it has, including memory loss and chronic pain.]]
** The BadFuture Jake ends up creating by saving Kennedy. Without LBJ, the Civil Rights Act was never passed and the movement degenerated into violence after MLK's assassination. After Kennedy's second term, George Wallace and ''Curtis [=LeMay=]'' were elected and resolved the Vietnam war with a nuclear strike on Hanoi. The changes to the timeline have also caused near-constant earthquakes, some strong enough to sink whole islands, like Hokkaido. As a result, the world suicide rate skyrocketed and fundamentalism of all types took hold. India and Pakistan underwent a limited nuclear exchange, the Iranian Hostages were all slaughtered, Russia collapsed and began selling nuclear weapons to Al Qaeda, the Middle East went up in flames, Vermont Yankee suffered a meltdown and spewed radiation across New England and Southern Quebec, another terrorist set off a suitcase nuke in Miami, a suicide bomber at a Beatles peace concert killed 300 spectators and blinded Paul McCartney, and the world is set to be destroyed sometime around 2080.
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* {{Flanderization}}: In ''IT'', Mr. Keane is a civilized man with just a bit of a nasty edge to him, exemplified by him telling Eddie the truth about his supposed asthma but at the same time seeming to enjoy the distress this causes Eddie a little too much. In his appearance in this book, he's an all-out JerkAss. The same can be said to have happened to the city of Derry as a whole, with the subtle wrongness from ''IT'' having turned a great deal more overt.
** This could be accounted for by the POV characters in ''IT'' being Derry residents, thus used to the place. It wouldn't seem as bad to someone who's lived there for a decade as it does to an adult experiencing it for the first time.
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* {{Flanderization}}: In ''IT'', Mr. Keane is a civilizaed man with just a bit of a nasty edge to him, exemplified by him telling Eddie the truth about his supposed asthma but at the same time seeming to enjoy the distress this causes Eddie a little too much. In his appearance in this book, he's an all-out JerkAss. The same can be said to have happened to the city of Derry as a whole, with the subtle wrongness from ''IT'' having turned a great deal more overt.

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* {{Flanderization}}: In ''IT'', Mr. Keane is a civilizaed civilized man with just a bit of a nasty edge to him, exemplified by him telling Eddie the truth about his supposed asthma but at the same time seeming to enjoy the distress this causes Eddie a little too much. In his appearance in this book, he's an all-out JerkAss. The same can be said to have happened to the city of Derry as a whole, with the subtle wrongness from ''IT'' having turned a great deal more overt.
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** The BadFuture Jake ends up creating by saving Kennedy. Without LBJ, the Civil Rights Act was never passed and the movement degenerated into violence after MLK's assassination. After Kennedy's second term, George Wallace and ''Curtis [=LeMay=]'' were elected and resolved the Vietnam war with a nuclear strike on Hanoi. The changes to the timeline have also caused near-constant earthquakes, some strong enough to sink whole islands, like Hokkaido. As a result, the world suicide rate skyrocketed and fundamentalism of all types took hold. India and Pakistan underwent a limited nuclear exchange, the Iranian Hostages were all slaughtered, Russia collapsed and began selling nuclear weapons to Al Qaeda, the Middle East went up in flames, Vermont Yankee suffered a meltdown and spewed radiation across New England and Southern Quebec, another terrorist set off a suitcase nuke in Miami, a suicide bomber at a Beatles peace concert killed 300 spectators and blinded Paul McCartney, and the world is set to be destroyed sometime around 2080.
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** In the pilot, Jake attends a speech by then-candidate John F. Kennedy and is clearly moved by seeing a man he's only read about in history books like and in person.
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* {{Flanderization}}: In ''IT'', Mr Keane is a civilised man with just a bit of a nasty edge to him, exemplified by him telling Eddie the truth about his supposed asthma but at the same time seeming to enjoy the distress this causes Eddie a little too much. In his appearance in this book, he's an all-out JerkAss. The same can be said to have happened to the city of Derry as a whole, with the subtle wrongness from ''IT'' having turned a great deal more overt.

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* {{Flanderization}}: In ''IT'', Mr Mr. Keane is a civilised civilizaed man with just a bit of a nasty edge to him, exemplified by him telling Eddie the truth about his supposed asthma but at the same time seeming to enjoy the distress this causes Eddie a little too much. In his appearance in this book, he's an all-out JerkAss. The same can be said to have happened to the city of Derry as a whole, with the subtle wrongness from ''IT'' having turned a great deal more overt.



* {{Narm}}: Jake punching Sadie's ex with a cry of "[[AndThisIsFor This is for]] [[ItMakesSenseInContext the broom]]!" While it's true that denying your partner sex ''is'' considered a form of emotional abuse in some cases, this is after the guy has [[spoiler:kidnapped Sadie with intention of killing both her and Jake himself,]] making the righteous outrage over that particular thing seem... [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous misplaced.]]
** In the miniseries, all mentions of [[spoiler:Sadie being horribly disfigured, needing surgery to look good again etc. In the book she had been sliced from eye to mouth, giving her a big of a GlasgowGrin but in series it's on the side of her face and hardly even visible if she just applies a bit of makeup to it. Not to mention it heals into a very nice looking scar in just a matter of weeks, rather than the years it would actually take. In other words she doesn't look disfigured in the slightest in the miniseries and several times you can't even see the scar, yet she apparently needs to have surgery to fix this horrible disfiguration.]]

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* {{Narm}}: Jake punching Sadie's ex with a cry of "[[AndThisIsFor This is for]] [[ItMakesSenseInContext the broom]]!" While it's true that denying your partner sex ''is'' considered a form of emotional abuse in some cases, this is after the guy has [[spoiler:kidnapped Sadie with the intention of killing both her and Jake himself,]] making the righteous outrage over that particular thing seem... [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous misplaced.]]
** In the miniseries, all mentions of [[spoiler:Sadie being horribly disfigured, needing surgery to look good again etc. In the book she had been sliced from eye to mouth, giving her a big of a GlasgowGrin but in the series it's on the side of her face and hardly even visible if she just applies a bit of makeup to it. Not to mention it heals into a very nice looking scar in just a matter of weeks, rather than the years it would actually take. In other words she doesn't look disfigured in the slightest in the miniseries and several times you can't even see the scar, yet she apparently needs to have surgery to fix this horrible disfiguration.]]



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** In the miniseries, all mentions of [[spoiler:Sadie being horribly disfigured, needing surgery to look good again etc. In the book she had been sliced from eye to mouth, giving her a big of a GlasgowGrin but in series it's on the side of her face and hardly even visible if she just applies a bit of makeup to it. Not to mention it heals into a very nice looking scar in just a matter of weeks, rather than the years it would actually take. In other words she doesn't look disfigured in the slightest in the miniseries and several times you can't even see the scar, yet she apparently needs to have surgery to fix this horrible disfiguration.]]
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* The [[spoiler:brutal beating]] Jake is [[spoiler:subjected to. Not only reading about it from his first-person perspective but the long-term effects it has, including memory loss and chronic pain.]]

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* ** The [[spoiler:brutal beating]] Jake is [[spoiler:subjected to. Not only reading about it from his first-person perspective but the long-term effects it has, including memory loss and chronic pain.]]
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* The [[spoiler:brutal beating]] Jake is [[spoiler:subjected to. Not only reading about it from his first-person perspective but the long-term effects it has, including memory loss and chronic pain.]]
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** Followed by another one in the hospital, where the cop finally does succeed in taking Jake's statement. Jake tells the truth, except that he makes out that [[spoiler: it was he rather than Sadie]] who shot Johnny. Then he tells the cop that if he has to arrest him, so be it. The cop simply says "No need," closes his notebook and walks away.

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** Followed by another one in the hospital, where the cop finally does succeed in taking Jake's statement. Jake tells the truth, except that he makes out that [[spoiler: it was he rather than Sadie]] who shot Johnny.[[spoiler: Johnny]]. Then he tells the cop that if he has to arrest him, so be it. The cop simply says "No need," closes his notebook and walks away.
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: In the series, after [[spoiler: Johnny]] has been killed and Sadie has been taken to hospital, a cop insists to Jake that he has to take a statement, even though Jake is traumatised and distraught. Jake has just been made to resign from his teaching job, after Deke Simmons has heard from Sadie that he has surveillance equipment in his basement. Then Simmons turns up, tells the cop that he remembers him from his high school football days, puts a comforting arm around Jake and walks him to a car to get him to the hospital.
** Followed by another one in the hospital, where the cop finally does succeed in taking Jake's statement. Jake tells the truth, except that he makes out that [[spoiler: it was he rather than Sadie]] who shot Johnny. Then he tells the cop that if he has to arrest him, so be it. The cop simply says "No need," closes his notebook and walks away.
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* NightmareFuel: Despite getting shot in the arm, Harry's father ''keeps on moving.'' The man in general is just... chilling.

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* NightmareFuel: Despite getting being shot in the arm, arm and face, Harry's father ''keeps on moving.'' The man in general is just... chilling.
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* NightmareFuel: Despite getting shot in the arm, Harry's father ''keeps on moving.'' The man in general is just... chilling.

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