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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: On first glance the hypnotic restrictions made on Lilli make perfectly sense and is somewhat TruthInTelevision. Most parents teach their child this commandments eventually (hopefully more subtle). But then it turns out that the restrictions are causing more harm to Lili than good.
** At the end of the game, all the stock Aesops have eventually been deconstructed or outright broken.

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** Is Capu really the NiceGuy he's supposed to be seen as? The whole "LoveTriangle" scenario could seen as Capu using Lilli to get closer to Shy, by planting false hopes into her. There's also the fact that he doesn't do ''anything'' when Shwany takes the orders away from Lilli.

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** Is Capu really the NiceGuy he's supposed to be seen as? The whole "LoveTriangle" scenario could seen as Capu using Lilli to get closer to Shy, by planting false hopes into her. There's also the fact that he doesn't do ''anything'' when Shwany Shawny takes the orders away from Lilli.Lilli.
** After Lilli's screams from learning she unintentionally killed the students and finished throwing up in the bathroom, did Lilli quickly get over it or is she still hiding the hidden sadness inside because she knows there's no going back?



** Some of the fans also love the Wendigo Harvey (out of the demons) from within the game.

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** Some of the fans also love the Wendigo Harvey (out of the demons) demons (though some get some love from a few in the fandom)) from within the game.
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Some people are like this


* ContestedSequel: To some, it's an EvenBetterSequel or in this case [[InsistentTerminology "Even Better]] [[MorePopularSpinOff Spin-Off"]]. While ''[[VideoGame/EdnaAndHarveyTheBreakout The Breakout]]'' is equally beloved by fans, one could make the argument that ''Harvey's New Eyes'' improved on a lot the first game's aspects, and both Lilli and Gerret are treated just as importantly by fans as the title characters. To others, on the other hand, the first game's big selling point was that you could use any command or item on ''literally anything'' and get a unique response, and this game abandons that idea.

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* ContestedSequel: To some, it's an EvenBetterSequel or in this case [[InsistentTerminology "Even Better]] [[MorePopularSpinOff Spin-Off"]]. While ''[[VideoGame/EdnaAndHarveyTheBreakout The Breakout]]'' is equally beloved by fans, one could make the argument that ''Harvey's New Eyes'' improved on a lot the first game's aspects, and both Lilli and Gerret are treated just as importantly by fans as the title characters. To others, on the other hand, the first game's big selling point was that you could use any command or item on ''literally anything'' and get a unique response, and this game abandons that idea. [[TakeAThirdOption And then]], there are a few who enjoyed both who just like the games themselves.

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It feels more like a contested sequel on what's better.


* ContestedSequel: To some, it's an EvenBetterSequel or in this case [[InsistentTerminology "Even Better]] [[MorePopularSpinOff Spin-Off"]]. While ''[[VideoGame/EdnaAndHarveyTheBreakout The Breakout]]'' is equally beloved by fans, one could make the argument that ''Harvey's New Eyes'' improved on a lot the first game's aspects, and both Lilli and Gerret are treated just as importantly by fans as the title characters. To others, on the other hand, the first game's big selling point was that you could use any command or item on ''literally anything'' and get a unique response, and this game abandons that idea.



** Some of the fans also love the Wendigo Harvey from within the game.
* EvenBetterSequel: Or in this case [[InsistentTerminology "Even Better]] [[MorePopularSpinOff Spin-Off"]]. While ''[[VideoGame/EdnaAndHarveyTheBreakout The Breakout]]'' is equally beloved by fans, one could make the argument that ''Harvey's New Eyes'' improved on a lot the first game's aspects, and both Lilli and Gerret are treated just as importantly by fans as the title characters.
** On the other hand, the first game's big selling point was that you could use any command or item on ''literally anything'' and get a unique response, and this game abandons that idea.

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** Some of the fans also love the Wendigo Harvey (out of the demons) from within the game.
* EvenBetterSequel: Or in this case [[InsistentTerminology "Even Better]] [[MorePopularSpinOff Spin-Off"]]. While ''[[VideoGame/EdnaAndHarveyTheBreakout The Breakout]]'' is equally beloved by fans, one could make the argument that ''Harvey's New Eyes'' improved on a lot the first game's aspects, and both Lilli and Gerret are treated just as importantly by fans as the title characters.
** On the other hand, the first game's big selling point was that you could use any command or item on ''literally anything'' and get a unique response, and this game abandons that idea.
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** Some of the fans also love the Wendigo Harvey from within the game.
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* EvenBetterSequel: Or in this case [[InsistentTerminology "Even Better Spin-Off"]]. While ''[[VideoGame/EdnaAndHarveyTheBreakout The Breakout]]'' is equally beloved by fans, one could make the argument that ''Harvey's New Eyes'' improved on a lot the first game's aspects, and both Lilli and Gerret are treated just as importantly by fans as the title characters.

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* EvenBetterSequel: Or in this case [[InsistentTerminology "Even Better Better]] [[MorePopularSpinOff Spin-Off"]]. While ''[[VideoGame/EdnaAndHarveyTheBreakout The Breakout]]'' is equally beloved by fans, one could make the argument that ''Harvey's New Eyes'' improved on a lot the first game's aspects, and both Lilli and Gerret are treated just as importantly by fans as the title characters.
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** Is Capu really the NiceGuy he's supposed to be seen as? The whole "LoveTriangle" scenario could seen as Capu using to get closer to Shy, by planting false hopes into Lilli. There's also the fact that he doesn't do ''anything'' when Shwany takes the orders away from Lilli.

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** Is Capu really the NiceGuy he's supposed to be seen as? The whole "LoveTriangle" scenario could seen as Capu using Lilli to get closer to Shy, by planting false hopes into Lilli.her. There's also the fact that he doesn't do ''anything'' when Shwany takes the orders away from Lilli.
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** Is Capu really the NiceGuy he's supposed to be seen as? The whole "LoveTriangle" scenario could seen as Capu using to get closer to Shy, by planting false hopes into Lilli. There's also the fact that he doesn't do ''anything'' when Shwany takes the orders away from Lilli.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Gerret, he is prominently on the box cover (Edna doesn't even get an appearance.) but he only gets focus in the first act, after that he's barely featured in the second, only resurfacing at the end of Act 3. The fact he is the only character to oppose Dr. Marcel in any way doesn't help. Poki laments this fact in the developer's commentary, as he says if he were to make another Edna & Harvey game, Gerret would be featured more.
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nothing in this entry makes this Hilarious In Hindsight


* HilariousInHindsight The Rabbit defending the not going into dangerous places block cites as one of the places a child could be safer than wandering around the village after dark is a Rolf Harris concert. As of June 2014 Harris has been found guilty of offenses involving girls as young as seven. He is currently awaiting sentence for a string of child sex offenses, many of which involved trusting young fans.

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* HilariousInHindsight HarsherInHindsight: The Rabbit defending the not going into dangerous places block cites as one of the places a child could be safer than wandering around the village after dark is a Rolf Harris concert. As of June 2014 Harris has been found guilty of offenses involving girls as young as seven. He is currently awaiting sentence for a string of child sex offenses, many of which involved trusting young fans.
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* TearJerker: Once you get past the narrator's intentionally saccharine tone and the game's overall dark sense of humor, you realize just how brutally harsh and awful Lilli's life is. She's (presumably) an orphan, living out her childhood effectively as a slave to a woman who berates and belittles her on a daily basis, and is ostracized by her fellow students for their own petty reasons. Then she's [[MindRape hypnotized]] into becoming ''more'' servile by a complete lunatic and has to go through a harrowing amount of trials and tribulations to escape him AND rescue her only friends... [[spoiler: ''Who may not even exist outside her own mentally disturbed mind''.]] God '''DAMN''', somebody give this poor kid a hug.
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** Something the bartender lampshades immediately after Lilli walks in, mentioning that all kinds of horrible things can happen to a little girl walking into a bar with a man in it.

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** Something the bartender lampshades immediately after Lilli walks in, mentioning that all kinds of horrible things can happen to a little girl walking into a bar with a man bar, alone, in it.the middle of the night.
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** On the other hand, the first game's big selling point was that you could use any command or item on ''literally anything'' and get a unique response, and this game abandons that idea.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Lilli]] of all people is subtly implied to be a {{Yandere}} during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]] Of course, that interpretation could either be true or it could probably be another one of the narrator's [[BlatantLies interpretation]] on how Lilli was actually thinking, [[spoiler:especially when it actually has Lilli having remorse over killing her fellow students when she learns the truth.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Lilli]] of all people is subtly implied to be a {{Yandere}} during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]] Of course, that interpretation could either be true or it could probably be another one of the narrator's [[UnreliableNarrator narrator's]] [[BlatantLies interpretation]] on how Lilli was actually thinking, [[spoiler:especially when it actually has Lilli having remorse over killing her fellow students when she learns the truth.]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Lilli]] of all people is subtly implied to be a [[spoiler:{{Yandere}}]] during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]] Of course, that interpretation could either be true or it could probably be another one of the narrator's [[BlatantLies interpretation]] on how Lilli was actually thinking, [[spoiler:especially when it actually has Lilli having remorse over killing her fellow students when she learns the truth.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Lilli]] of all people is subtly implied to be a [[spoiler:{{Yandere}}]] {{Yandere}} during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]] Of course, that interpretation could either be true or it could probably be another one of the narrator's [[BlatantLies interpretation]] on how Lilli was actually thinking, [[spoiler:especially when it actually has Lilli having remorse over killing her fellow students when she learns the truth.]]

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Editing due to playing the game.


* AngstWhatAngst: After Lilli learns the truth on what she had done to her students, she finishes vomitting and departs the bathroom without saying a word. And yet when you control her again, she looks no worse for wear.

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*AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Lilli]] of all people is subtly implied to be a [[spoiler:{{Yandere}}]] during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]] Of course, that interpretation could either be true or it could probably be another one of the narrator's [[BlatantLies interpretation]] on how Lilli was actually thinking, [[spoiler:especially when it actually has Lilli having remorse over killing her fellow students when she learns the truth.]]
* AngstWhatAngst: After Lilli learns the truth on what she had done to her students, she finishes vomitting vomiting and departs the bathroom without saying a word. And yet when you control her again, she looks no worse for wear.



** At the end of the game, all the stock aesops have eventually been deconstructed or outright broken.
* HilariousInHindsight The Rabbit defending the not going into dangerous places block cites as one of the places a child could be safer than wandering around the village after dark is a Rolf Harris concert. As of June 2014 Harris has been found guilty of offences involving girls as young as seven. He is currently awaiting sentence for a string of child sex offences, many of which involved trusting young fans.

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** At the end of the game, all the stock aesops Aesops have eventually been deconstructed or outright broken.
* HilariousInHindsight The Rabbit defending the not going into dangerous places block cites as one of the places a child could be safer than wandering around the village after dark is a Rolf Harris concert. As of June 2014 Harris has been found guilty of offences offenses involving girls as young as seven. He is currently awaiting sentence for a string of child sex offences, offenses, many of which involved trusting young fans.



** Something the bartender lampshades immediately after Lilli walks in, mentioning that all kinds of horrible things can happen to a little girl walking into a bar with a man in it.
* {{Yandere}}: [[spoiler: ''Lilli'']] of all people is subtly implied to be one during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]]

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** Something the bartender lampshades immediately after Lilli walks in, mentioning that all kinds of horrible things can happen to a little girl walking into a bar with a man in it.
* {{Yandere}}: [[spoiler: ''Lilli'']] of all people is subtly implied to be one during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]]
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* EvenBetterSequel: Or in this case [[InsistentTerminology "Even Better Spin-Off"]]. While ''[[VideoGame/EdnaAndHarveyTheBreakout The Breakout]]'' is equally beloved by fans, one could make the argument that ''Harvey's New Eyes'' improved on a lot the first game's aspects, and both Lilli and Gerret are treated just as importantly by fans as the title characters.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Like [[VideoGame/EdnaAndHarveyTheBreakout the first game]], Droggeljug. Even Petra, Adrian, and Peter are this as well.
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* Yandere: [[spoiler: ''Lilli'']] of all people is subtly implied to be one during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]]

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* Yandere: {{Yandere}}: [[spoiler: ''Lilli'']] of all people is subtly implied to be one during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]]
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** Something the bartender lampshades immediately after Lilli walks in, mentioning that all kinds of horrible things can happen to a little girl walking into a bar with a man in it.

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** Something the bartender lampshades immediately after Lilli walks in, mentioning that all kinds of horrible things can happen to a little girl walking into a bar with a man in it.it.
* Yandere: [[spoiler: ''Lilli'']] of all people is subtly implied to be one during the first chapter. For context, the game hints that she has a crush on [[NiceGuy Capu]], who looks like he's about to admit he likes her as well... only to ask if she can deliver a letter to Shy for him. The narrator tells us that [[spoiler: Lilli]] had always been envious of Shy for being the prettiest girl in the convent. The fridge horror kicks in when [[spoiler: Lilli accidentally kills them both to retrieve the firecrackers. While not intentional, it can be read that she unconsciously [[IfICantHaveYou murdered them both]] out of jealousy.]]
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* FridgeHorror: Lilli finds the chair leg that Edna used in the previous game and uses it to fend of the phantom. However, Edna can actually burn the chair leg, basically screwing Lilli.
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* HilariousInHindsight The Rabbit defending the not going into dangerous places block cites as one of the places a child could be safer than wandering around the village after dark is a Rolf Harris concert, he is currently awaiting trial for child sex offences.

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* HilariousInHindsight The Rabbit defending the not going into dangerous places block cites as one of the places a child could be safer than wandering around the village after dark is a Rolf Harris concert, he concert. As of June 2014 Harris has been found guilty of offences involving girls as young as seven. He is currently awaiting trial sentence for a string of child sex offences.offences, many of which involved trusting young fans.
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* AngstWhatAngst: After Lilli learns the truth on what she had done to her students, she finishes vomitting and departs the bathroom without saying a word. And yet when you control her again, she looks no worse for wear.
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* HilariousInHindsight The Rabbit defending the not going into dangerous places block cites as one of the places a child could be safer than wandering around the village after dark is a Rolf Harris concert, he is currently awaiting trial for child sex offences.
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* ValuesDissonance: Sure a cave can be a dangerous place as well as going out at middle of the night. Yet the rabbit apparently sees nothing wrong with a little girl walk into a BAR at the middle of the night to get drunk. Granted it does shows up when she attempt to drink alcohol but at that point she would've been in huge danger already.

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* ValuesDissonance: Sure a cave can be a dangerous place as well as going out at middle of the night. Yet the rabbit apparently sees nothing wrong with a little girl walk into a BAR at the middle of the night to get drunk. Granted it does shows up when she attempt to drink alcohol but at that point she would've been in huge danger already.already.
** Something the bartender lampshades immediately after Lilli walks in, mentioning that all kinds of horrible things can happen to a little girl walking into a bar with a man in it.
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** AT the end of the game, all the stock aesops have eventually been deconstructed or outright broken.

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** AT At the end of the game, all the stock aesops have eventually been deconstructed or outright broken.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: On first glance the hypnotic restrictions made on Lilli make perfectly sense and is somewhat TruthInTelevision. Most parents teach their child this commandments eventually (hopefully more subtle). But then it turns out that the restrictions are causing more harm to Lili than good. Also, mostly during the trances at the end of the game, all the stock aesops are either deconstructed or outright broken.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: On first glance the hypnotic restrictions made on Lilli make perfectly sense and is somewhat TruthInTelevision. Most parents teach their child this commandments eventually (hopefully more subtle). But then it turns out that the restrictions are causing more harm to Lili than good. Also, mostly during the trances at good.
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the end of the game, all the stock aesops are either have eventually been deconstructed or outright broken. broken.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: One first glance the hypnotic restrictions made on Lilli make perfectly sense and is somewhat TruthInTelevision. Most parents teach their child this commandments eventually (hopefully more subtle). But then whenever Lili goes into trance. All the stock aesops are either deconstructed or outright broken.

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: One On first glance the hypnotic restrictions made on Lilli make perfectly sense and is somewhat TruthInTelevision. Most parents teach their child this commandments eventually (hopefully more subtle). But then whenever it turns out that the restrictions are causing more harm to Lili goes into trance. All than good. Also, mostly during the trances at the end of the game, all the stock aesops are either deconstructed or outright broken.
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* ValuesDissonance: Sure caves is a dangerous place as well as going out at middle of the night. Yet the rabbit apparently sees nothing wrong with a little girl walk into a BAR at the middle of the night to get drunk. Granted it does shows up when she attempt to drink alcohol but at that point she would've been in huge danger already.

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* ValuesDissonance: Sure caves is a cave can be a dangerous place as well as going out at middle of the night. Yet the rabbit apparently sees nothing wrong with a little girl walk into a BAR at the middle of the night to get drunk. Granted it does shows up when she attempt to drink alcohol but at that point she would've been in huge danger already.

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FridgeHorror: Lilli finds the chair leg that Edna used in the previous game and uses it to fend of the phantom. However, Edna can actually burn the chair leg, basically screwing Lilli.

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* FridgeHorror: Lilli finds the chair leg that Edna used in the previous game and uses it to fend of the phantom. However, Edna can actually burn the chair leg, basically screwing Lilli.Lilli.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: One first glance the hypnotic restrictions made on Lilli make perfectly sense and is somewhat TruthInTelevision. Most parents teach their child this commandments eventually (hopefully more subtle). But then whenever Lili goes into trance. All the stock aesops are either deconstructed or outright broken.
* ValuesDissonance: Sure caves is a dangerous place as well as going out at middle of the night. Yet the rabbit apparently sees nothing wrong with a little girl walk into a BAR at the middle of the night to get drunk. Granted it does shows up when she attempt to drink alcohol but at that point she would've been in huge danger already.

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