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* TheScrappy: Niko is this to some. He's a most definitely underage boy (he appears to be 10 or 11 at the oldest) with a crush on an older man - the player character no less - and he is not shy about letting you know it. Even if you don't find his advances creepy, there's one point that pisses off everyone at least a little bit: that being when he makes a comment about how your character should throw your apprentice (a nice girl who is far more popular than Niko is) out onto the street so that he can move in with you. He quickly backpedals, explaining that it was only a joke and he's otherwise polite to the Apprentice, but many fans nonetheless found his "joke" to be firmly in DudeNotFunny territory.
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* TheScrappy: Niko is this to some. He's a most definitely underage boy (he appears to be 10 or 11 at the oldest) with a crush on an older man - the player character no less - and he is not shy about letting you know it. Even if you don't find his advances creepy, there's one point that pisses off everyone at least a little bit: that being when he makes a comment about how your character should throw your apprentice (a nice girl who is far more popular than Niko is) out onto the street so that he can move in with you. He quickly backpedals, explaining that it was only a joke and he's otherwise polite to the Apprentice, but many fans nonetheless found his "joke" to be firmly in DudeNotFunny tasteless territory.
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** If that's not enough of a Moral Event Horizon for Crimson he gets another really big KickTheDog moment later in the game, after Revenger is dead and the female character is playable. The Apprentice, wanting to know the truth about Crimson, goes to meet him in the fire ruin. When she arrives he tells her he's going to kill her, even though he doesn't know her at all or have any reason to dislike her, just because it'll make the Dungeon Maker sad.
* TheScrappy: Niko is this to some, thanks to his crush on the (male) Dungeon Maker. He's not shy about making it clear how he feels and many fans found his advances to be creepy.
** The point that cinched this for many fans was when Niko makes a comment about how the Dungeon Maker should throw the Apprentice out onto the street so that he (Niko) can move in with him. He quickly explains that he was just joking and he's otherwise very polite to the Apprentice, but many fans nonetheless found his "joke" to be firmly in DudeNotFunny territory.
* TheScrappy: Niko is this to some, thanks to his crush on the (male) Dungeon Maker. He's not shy about making it clear how he feels and many fans found his advances to be creepy.
** The point that cinched this for many fans was when Niko makes a comment about how the Dungeon Maker should throw the Apprentice out onto the street so that he (Niko) can move in with him. He quickly explains that he was just joking and he's otherwise very polite to the Apprentice, but many fans nonetheless found his "joke" to be firmly in DudeNotFunny territory.
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** If that's not enough of Just in case that event comes off more as a Moral Event Horizon for TakeThatScrappy to you, Crimson he gets another ''another'' really big KickTheDog moment later in the game, after Revenger is dead and the female character is playable. The Apprentice, wanting to know the truth about Crimson, goes to meet him in the fire ruin. When she arrives he tells her he's going to kill her, even though he doesn't know her at all or have any reason to dislike her, just because it'll make the Dungeon Maker sad.
* TheScrappy: Niko is this tosome, thanks to his crush on the (male) Dungeon Maker. some. He's a most definitely underage boy (he appears to be 10 or 11 at the oldest) with a crush on an older man - the player character no less - and he is not shy about making it clear how he feels and many fans found letting you know it. Even if you don't find his advances to be creepy.
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That\'s not EXACTLY why people dislike Niko. It\'s more about the specific comments he makes, not just the fact that he makes them at all.
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** If that's not enough of a Moral Event Horizon for Crimson he gets another really big KickTheDog moment later in the game, after Revenger is dead and the female character is playable. The female main, wanting to know the truth about Crimson, goes to meet him in the fire ruin. When she arrives he tells her he's going to kill her, even though he doesn't know her at all or have any reason to dislike her, just because it'll make the Dungeon Maker sad.
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** If that's not enough of a Moral Event Horizon for Crimson he gets another really big KickTheDog moment later in the game, after Revenger is dead and the female character is playable. The female main, Apprentice, wanting to know the truth about Crimson, goes to meet him in the fire ruin. When she arrives he tells her he's going to kill her, even though he doesn't know her at all or have any reason to dislike her, just because it'll make the Dungeon Maker sad.
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** The point that cinched this for many fans was when Niko makes a comment about how the Dungeon Maker should throw the Apprentice out onto the street so that he (Niko) can move in with him. He quickly explains that he was just joking and he's otherwise very polite to the Apprentice, but many fans nonetheless found his "joke" to be firmly in DudeNotFunny territory.
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** Crimson, the so-called "divine warrior". He's a ManipulativeBastard, WouldHurtAChild, and [[KickTheDog Kicks The Dog]] on multiple occasions. See the MoralEventHorizon entry for more details.
** The gods. They eradicated 90% of all life on Earth 70,000 years ago and are more than willing to do it again just to defeat ''one'' rebellious demon.
*** Special mention has to go to a god ghost that you meet in the wind ruin. The wind ruin was once a thriving city, until a demon started turning the citizens of the city into plant monsters. The demon was killed and the people of the city turned the demon's twisted garden into a memorial to their lost loved ones. The god that watched over the city believed they should have destroyed the garden and forgotten about their loss instead, and for the "crime" of not doing that he ''[[KillItWithFire burned the entire population alive]]''. Even as a ghost he remains completely unrepentant for this.
---> '''Dungeon Maker:''' So you killed them for the crime of mourning their loved ones and liking flowers?
---> '''God's Ghost:''' ...Leave immediately or I will burn you to death!
** Crimson, the so-called "divine warrior". He's a ManipulativeBastard, WouldHurtAChild, and [[KickTheDog Kicks The Dog]] on multiple occasions. See the MoralEventHorizon entry for more details.
** The gods. They eradicated 90% of all life on Earth 70,000 years ago and are more than willing to do it again just to defeat ''one'' rebellious demon.
*** Special mention has to go to a god ghost that you meet in the wind ruin. The wind ruin was once a thriving city, until a demon started turning the citizens of the city into plant monsters. The demon was killed and the people of the city turned the demon's twisted garden into a memorial to their lost loved ones. The god that watched over the city believed they should have destroyed the garden and forgotten about their loss instead, and for the "crime" of not doing that he ''[[KillItWithFire burned the entire population alive]]''. Even as a ghost he remains completely unrepentant for this.
---> '''Dungeon Maker:''' So you killed them for the crime of mourning their loved ones and liking flowers?
---> '''God's Ghost:''' ...Leave immediately or I will burn you to death!
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* CompleteMonster:
** Crimson, the so-called "divine warrior". He's a ManipulativeBastard, WouldHurtAChild, and [[KickTheDog Kicks The Dog]] on multiple occasions. See the MoralEventHorizon entry for more details.
** The gods. They eradicated 90% of all life on Earth 70,000 years ago and are more than willing to do it again just to defeat ''one'' rebellious demon.
*** Special mention has to go to a god ghost that you meet in the wind ruin. The wind ruin was once a thriving city, until a demon started turning the citizens of the city into plant monsters. The demon was killed and the people of the city turned the demon's twisted garden into a memorial to their lost loved ones. The god that watched over the city believed they should have destroyed the garden and forgotten about their loss instead, and for the "crime" of not doing that he ''[[KillItWithFire burned the entire population alive]]''. Even as a ghost he remains completely unrepentant for this.
---> '''Dungeon Maker:''' So you killed them for the crime of mourning their loved ones and liking flowers?
---> '''God's Ghost:''' ...Leave immediately or I will burn you to death!
* MoralEventHorizon: Mentioned in-universe, by the male main character, in regard to Crimson. At first Crimson appears to be a ManipulativeBastard at worst, with a little bit of foreshadowing that he might actually be an outright villain. Then you get to the earth ruin. In the middle of talking to a demon ghost Crimson shows up, destroys the frightened ghost for no really good reason, then tries to convince the Dungeon Maker to murder Niko, an innocent little boy whose only "crime" is being half witch. The Dungeon Maker explicitly states this is the point where he went from simply distrusting Crimson to outright hating him.
** If that's not enough of a Moral Event Horizon for Crimson he gets another really big KickTheDog moment later in the game, after Revenger is dead and the female character is playable. The female main, wanting to know the truth about Crimson, goes to meet him in the fire ruin. When she arrives he tells her he's going to kill her, even though he doesn't know her at all or have any reason to dislike her, just because it'll make the Dungeon Maker sad.
* TheScrappy: Niko is this to some, thanks to his crush on the (male) Dungeon Maker. He's not shy about making it clear how he feels and many fans found his advances to be creepy.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: The Professor who works at the magic shop. He's an old man who could be easily mistaken as looking like an old woman, thanks in part to his robes concealing most of his body. It doesn't help that the game rarely uses pronouns like him[=/=]her[=/=]etc to refer to him.
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** Crimson, the so-called "divine warrior". He's a ManipulativeBastard, WouldHurtAChild, and [[KickTheDog Kicks The Dog]] on multiple occasions. See the MoralEventHorizon entry for more details.
** The gods. They eradicated 90% of all life on Earth 70,000 years ago and are more than willing to do it again just to defeat ''one'' rebellious demon.
*** Special mention has to go to a god ghost that you meet in the wind ruin. The wind ruin was once a thriving city, until a demon started turning the citizens of the city into plant monsters. The demon was killed and the people of the city turned the demon's twisted garden into a memorial to their lost loved ones. The god that watched over the city believed they should have destroyed the garden and forgotten about their loss instead, and for the "crime" of not doing that he ''[[KillItWithFire burned the entire population alive]]''. Even as a ghost he remains completely unrepentant for this.
---> '''Dungeon Maker:''' So you killed them for the crime of mourning their loved ones and liking flowers?
---> '''God's Ghost:''' ...Leave immediately or I will burn you to death!
* MoralEventHorizon: Mentioned in-universe, by the male main character, in regard to Crimson. At first Crimson appears to be a ManipulativeBastard at worst, with a little bit of foreshadowing that he might actually be an outright villain. Then you get to the earth ruin. In the middle of talking to a demon ghost Crimson shows up, destroys the frightened ghost for no really good reason, then tries to convince the Dungeon Maker to murder Niko, an innocent little boy whose only "crime" is being half witch. The Dungeon Maker explicitly states this is the point where he went from simply distrusting Crimson to outright hating him.
** If that's not enough of a Moral Event Horizon for Crimson he gets another really big KickTheDog moment later in the game, after Revenger is dead and the female character is playable. The female main, wanting to know the truth about Crimson, goes to meet him in the fire ruin. When she arrives he tells her he's going to kill her, even though he doesn't know her at all or have any reason to dislike her, just because it'll make the Dungeon Maker sad.
* TheScrappy: Niko is this to some, thanks to his crush on the (male) Dungeon Maker. He's not shy about making it clear how he feels and many fans found his advances to be creepy.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: The Professor who works at the magic shop. He's an old man who could be easily mistaken as looking like an old woman, thanks in part to his robes concealing most of his body. It doesn't help that the game rarely uses pronouns like him[=/=]her[=/=]etc to refer to him.
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