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** ''VideoGame/BeatSaber'''s 6th OST has the incredible "Power of the Saber Blade", a song made for the OST in question, and which has taken the crown of the most difficult level of the game.
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--> Honor, [[GodIsEvil the God of Enlil]]

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--> Honor, [[GodIsEvil the God of of]] [[Myth/MesopotamianMythology Enlil]]
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* SelfPlagiarism: A ''lot'' of their early songs seem to sound alike, to the point that some people claim they only have ''one'' song.

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* FaceOfTheBand: Herman Li. An unusual case given that he is neither the lead singer nor the main songwriter. Even so, he's the most well known member of the band due to his over-the-top guitar solos and his unique look.
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** "The Edge of the World". Starts with melancholy tones and lyrics, then cranks it up with more of the slower kind of heroic vigor than how DragonForce usually plays their big climactic songs, like a wounded hero refusing to be driven into the ground. Then it dives into the most nightmarish part of the song, with harsh voices and lyrics, damning humanity and speaking of doom. Then the solo shifts the song's gears once more, turning it back to the heroic tone from earlier in the song, the sound more determined than ever just before the chorus comes back. Then, rather somberly, victory is declared, exhausted, wounded, but achieved. The band ditched its usual over-the-top speed for a slower burn and still managed to be invigorating in a way no other of their songs have been.

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** "The Edge of the World". Starts with melancholy tones and lyrics, then cranks it up with more of the slower kind of heroic vigor than how DragonForce Dragon Force usually plays their big climactic songs, like a wounded hero refusing to be driven into the ground. Then it dives into the most nightmarish part of the song, with harsh voices and lyrics, damning humanity and speaking of doom. Then the solo shifts the song's gears once more, turning it back to the heroic tone from earlier in the song, the sound more determined than ever just before the chorus comes back. Then, rather somberly, victory is declared, exhausted, wounded, but achieved. The band ditched its usual over-the-top speed for a slower burn and still managed to be invigorating in a way no other of their songs have been.



** "Through the Fire and Flames", the BonusBoss of ''VideoGame/GuitarHero III'', is widely considered to be the most difficult song in the series. [[IDontKnowMortalKombat No member of the band has beaten it on "Hard" difficulty.]]

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** "Through the Fire and Flames", the BonusBoss {{Superboss}} of ''VideoGame/GuitarHero III'', is widely considered to be the most difficult song in the series. [[IDontKnowMortalKombat No member of the band has beaten it on "Hard" difficulty.]]

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--> [[KillThemAll I take back that what is mine]]

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** If you only know TTFAF, or found them through Guitar Hero, [[BerserkButton do]] ''[[BerserkButton not]]'' mention that to a long-time fan.

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** If you only know TTFAF, or found them through Guitar Hero, [[BerserkButton do]] ''[[BerserkButton not]]'' do ''not'' mention that to a long-time fan.
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** The solo from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i7qZxICwgQ "Fury of the Storm"]] is part of [[http://takeshikaga.ytmnd.com/ this]] ancient YTMND meme about [[MundaneMadeAwesome The Iron Chef eating the]] ''[[MundaneMadeAwesome fuck]]'' [[MundaneMadeAwesome out of a bell pepper]].

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** The solo from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i7qZxICwgQ "Fury of the Storm"]] is part of [[http://takeshikaga.ytmnd.com/ this]] ancient YTMND meme about [[Series/IronChef Chairman Kaga]] [[MundaneMadeAwesome The Iron Chef eating the]] ''[[MundaneMadeAwesome fuck]]'' [[MundaneMadeAwesome out of a bell pepper]].
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** The band's first three albums received generally positive reviews from the power metal community, and the band was believed to have a bright future. Then, ''VideoGame/GuitarHeroIII'' was released and Dragonforce was given a ''huge'' spotlight that boosted both the band and the game's sales. The eventual overexposition burned out many people.

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** The band's first three albums received generally positive reviews from the power metal community, and the band was believed to have a bright future. Then, ''VideoGame/GuitarHeroIII'' ''VideoGame/GuitarHero III'' was released and Dragonforce was given a ''huge'' spotlight that boosted both the band and the game's sales. The eventual overexposition burned out many people.



* NightmareFuel: In the song ''The Edge of The World'', after several minutes of standard Dragonforce music, with [[JumpScare absolutely no warning]] the singer starts using vocals so harsh their basically MelodicDeathMetal. Even the music becomes darker and more brutal than anything else Dragonforce has done.

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* NightmareFuel: In the song ''The "The Edge of The World'', World", after several minutes of standard Dragonforce music, with [[JumpScare absolutely no warning]] the singer starts using vocals so harsh their basically MelodicDeathMetal. Even the music becomes darker and more brutal than anything else Dragonforce has done.



* SongAssociation: Again, "Through the Fire and Flames" is heavily asssociated as a difficult song in ''Guitar Hero''. Later on, it's also becoming associated with other {{Rhythm Games}} that can have custom tracks.

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* SongAssociation: Again, "Through the Fire and Flames" is heavily asssociated as a difficult song in ''Guitar Hero''. Later on, it's also becoming associated with other {{Rhythm Games}} rhythm games that can have custom tracks.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Marc replacing ZP, despite the fact that his voice isn't actually bad at all on its own merits.

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Marc replacing ZP, despite the fact that his voice isn't actually bad at all on its own merits.



* CreatorBacklash: Downplayed, but yes, they’ve heard TTFAF just as much as everyone else. They seem to be plenty proud of it, but they’d prefer to talk about something else.



** No human could possibly drink that fast... could they?
** By the end of it there'd be accusations of people digitally speeding up their drinking in the studio.



* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Seemingly averted at first when "Through the Fire and Flames" was announced for Guitar Hero III with fans celebrating its inclusion, then the game was released. Presumedly because it did boost their sales.
** The band's first three albums received generally positive reviews from the power metal community, and the band was believed to have a bright future. The Guitar Hero spotlight changed all that. Oops.
*** If you only know TTFAF, or found them through Guitar Hero, [[BerserkButton do]] ''[[BerserkButton not]]'' mention that to a long-time fan.
* MemeticBadass: Herman Li.
* MemeticMutation: The solo from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i7qZxICwgQ "Fury of the Storm"]] is part of [[http://takeshikaga.ytmnd.com/ this]] ancient YTMND meme about [[MundaneMadeAwesome The Iron Chef eating the]] ''[[MundaneMadeAwesome fuck]]'' [[MundaneMadeAwesome out of a bell pepper]].

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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: Seemingly averted at first when "Through the Fire and Flames" was announced for Guitar Hero III with fans celebrating its inclusion, then the game was released. Presumedly because it did boost their sales.
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** The band's first three albums received generally positive reviews from the power metal community, and the band was believed to have a bright future. The Guitar Hero Then, ''VideoGame/GuitarHeroIII'' was released and Dragonforce was given a ''huge'' spotlight changed all that. Oops.
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that boosted both the band and the game's sales. The eventual overexposition burned out many people.
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If you only know TTFAF, or found them through Guitar Hero, [[BerserkButton do]] ''[[BerserkButton not]]'' mention that to a long-time fan.
%% (ZCE) * MemeticBadass: Herman Li.
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The solo from [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i7qZxICwgQ "Fury of the Storm"]] is part of [[http://takeshikaga.ytmnd.com/ this]] ancient YTMND meme about [[MundaneMadeAwesome The Iron Chef eating the]] ''[[MundaneMadeAwesome fuck]]'' [[MundaneMadeAwesome out of a bell pepper]].



* MrFanservice: Herman and/or Marc depending on one's tastes.

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%% (ZCE) * MrFanservice: Herman and/or Marc depending on one's tastes.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Their post-Inhuman Rampage albums, "Ultra Beatdown", "The Power Within", "Maximum Overload" and "Reaching into Infinity" got them at least partially back in the good graces of the metal community, thanks to slight change in style; changing some of their lyrical themes, diversifying their songs, and even slowing down. They've also been proven to be a really good live band.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Their post-Inhuman Rampage albums, "Ultra Beatdown", "The ''Ultra Beatdown'', ''The Power Within", "Maximum Overload" Within'', ''Maximum Overload'' and "Reaching ''Reaching into Infinity" Infinity'' got them at least partially back in the good graces of the metal community, thanks to slight change changes in their style; changing some of their lyrical themes, diversifying their songs, and even slowing down. They've also been proven to be a really good live band.



** Seems to be invoked with "[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaCurseOfDarkness Curse of Darkness]]", which opens with a riff much like the opening of "Bloody Tears", from ''VideoGame/{{Castlevania}}''; if taken within that context, the lyrics are [[BigBad Dracula]]'s own VillainSong.
*** Or, more likely, Konami's.
** The same can be said of their song "[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight Symphony of the Night]]", which is clearly meant to be from the main character {{Alucard}}'s point of view.
* ThatOneBoss: "Through the Fire and Flames", the BonusBoss of ''VideoGame/GuitarHero 3'', is widely considered to be the most difficult song in the series. [[IDontKnowMortalKombat No member of the band has beaten it on "Hard" difficulty.]]

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** Seems to be invoked with "[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaCurseOfDarkness Curse of Darkness]]", which opens with a riff much like the opening of "Bloody Tears", from ''VideoGame/{{Castlevania}}''; if taken within that context, the lyrics are [[BigBad Dracula]]'s own VillainSong.
*** Or, more likely, Konami's.
** The same can be said of their song "[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight Symphony of the Night]]", which is clearly meant to be from the main character {{Alucard}}'s point of view.
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"Through the Fire and Flames", the BonusBoss of ''VideoGame/GuitarHero 3'', III'', is widely considered to be the most difficult song in the series. [[IDontKnowMortalKombat No member of the band has beaten it on "Hard" difficulty.]]



** And now, with the inclusion of "Fury of the Storm" in ''VideoGame/GuitarHero: Warriors of Rock'', there will no doubt be many more smashed plastic guitars.
** SerialEscalation: If you think that's bad, add drums, vocals, and bass (if it's even really bass!) in ''VideoGame/GuitarHero: Smash Hits''. Wonder how many controllers will be trashed?
*** Actually, "Through the Fire and Flames" is meant to be ''easier'' in ''Smash Hits''.
*** Plus the bass track for "Through the Fire and Flames" in ''Smash Hits'' is actually really easy to get through. The guitarist and the drummer might be having a hard time, but the bassist is pretty set as long as he can double-strum the controller.
*** [[http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217692 Harmonix announces Through The Fire And Flames with PRO Guitar]] for VideoGame/RockBand 3 DLC.
*** When Operation Ground and Pound got released on ''VideoGame/RockBand 3'', It was actually ''harder'' than its original ''VideoGame/GuitarHero'' DLC counterpart.
** Although "TTFAF" appears on ''VideoGame/{{GITADORA}}'', it uses a 2-minute cut, and the series already has its share of Those Many Bosses so it doesn't particularly stand out as much, other than being "that song that is TOB in ''Guitar Hero''."

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** And now, with the inclusion of "Fury of the Storm" in ''VideoGame/GuitarHero: Warriors of Rock'', there will no doubt be Rock'' has "Fury of the Storm", which surely induced many more smashed plastic guitars.
** * SerialEscalation: If you think that's "Through the Fire and Flames" is bad, add drums, vocals, and bass (if it's even really bass!) in ''VideoGame/GuitarHero: Smash Hits''. Wonder how many controllers will be trashed?
*** Actually, "Through the Fire and Flames" is meant to be ''easier'' in ''Smash
Hits''.
*** Plus the bass track for "Through the Fire and Flames" in ''Smash Hits'' is actually really easy to get through. The guitarist and the drummer might be having a hard time, but the bassist is pretty set as long as he can double-strum the controller.
*** [[http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217692 Harmonix announces Through The Fire And Flames with PRO Guitar]] for VideoGame/RockBand 3 DLC.
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** When Operation "Operation Ground and Pound Pound" got released on ''VideoGame/RockBand 3'', It it was actually ''harder'' than its original ''VideoGame/GuitarHero'' DLC counterpart.
** Although "TTFAF" appears on ''VideoGame/{{GITADORA}}'', it uses a 2-minute cut, and the series already has its share of Those Many Bosses so it doesn't particularly stand out as much, other than being "that song that is TOB in ''Guitar Hero''.""
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* CreatorBacklash: Downplayed, but yes, they’ve heard TTFAF just as much as everyone else. They seem to be plenty proud of it, but they’d prefer to talk about something else.
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** Frederic Leclercq. TheAce who helped expand and mature their sound and broke them out of the meme band trap that they otherwise would have been stuck in, or a talented musician who was nonetheless a bad fit for the band and made them into something that they weren't suited to be?

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Awesome moments are for the things people love about a given band/story/whatever. There are a million other places to put "in dispute" and Dragon Force is no less deserving of praise than most other bands.


* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Some of their other stuff is held in dispute, but some of their songs such as "Cry Thunder" are absolutely glorious.

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** For a song that doesn't ditch the over-the-top speed ''and'' is still also awesome, look no further than "EPM" from ''Ultra Beatdown''. It's starts with an 8-bit rift of the song, and then explodes onto your ears. It doesn't do much innovative as far as style goes, but it is easily one of the exemplars, from its voicework, solo and overall sound. It is also a bonus track on the [[NoExportForYou Japanese release]], and, by extension, ZP's last listed song with the band. And it's is a fitting swansong not just for the singer, but for the style that the band would rein in more for every album since.
** "Last Journey Home", "Cry Thunder", "Three Hammers" and "The Last Dragonborn" stand out, taking more of a slower, more march-like tempo (like Kamelot's March of Mephisto), while still keeping an upbeat tone. These are less Mid-Dyanasty-Warriors-Fight and more the preparation montage ''before'' the big fight.
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** "The Edge of the World". Starts with melancholy tones and lyrics, then cranks it up with more of the slower kind of heroic vigor than how DragonForce usually plays their big climactic songs, like a wounded hero refusing to be driven into the ground. Then it dives into the most nightmarish part of the song, with harsh voices and lyrics, damning humanity and speaking of doom. Then the solo shifts the song's gears once more, turning it back to the heroic tone from earlier in the song, the sound more determined than ever just before the chorus comes back. Then, rather somberly, victory is declared, exhausted, wounded, but achieved. The band ditched its usual over-the-top speed for a slower burn and still managed to be invigorating in a way no other of their songs have been.
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* NightmareFuel: In the song ''The Edge of The World'', after several minutes of standard Dragonforce music with [[JumpScare absolutely no warning]] the singer starts using vocals so harsh their basically MelodicDeathMetal. Even the music becomes harsher and more brutal than anything else Dragonforce has done. .

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* NightmareFuel: In the song ''The Edge of The World'', after several minutes of standard Dragonforce music music, with [[JumpScare absolutely no warning]] the singer starts using vocals so harsh their basically MelodicDeathMetal. Even the music becomes harsher darker and more brutal than anything else Dragonforce has done. .done.
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* NightmareFuel: In the song ''The Edge of The World'', after several minutes of standard Dragonforce music with [[JumpScare absolutely no warning]] the singer starts using vocals so harsh their basically MelodicDeathMetal. Even the music becomes harsher and more brutal than anything else Dragonforce has done. .
--> Honor, [[GodIsEvil the God of Enlil]]
--> [[HumansAreBastards Silence for the beast is now the prey]]
--> Denied a chance for life
--> [[KillThemAll I take back that what is mine]]
--> [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt DIE]]
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: The protagonist of "The Edge of the World" [[EarnYourHappyEnding earning their happy ending]] after a long and difficult journey to save the world:
-->''At the end of the journey for the savior of the earth''\\
''Sound the bells of victory through the signs of our rebirth''
-->''As the shadows fade away, we watch the new sunrise''
-->''No one fears the darkness anymore''
** For a real life example, after youtuber [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGLmzGJD0Ns Stevie T turned down touring with them as their bassist,]] due to his anxiety, the band showed no ill will toward him and Herman even talked with him on the phone for an hour about his own anxiety.



* TearJerker: A ''lot'' of their songs' lyrics can invoke this if [[LyricalDissonance you strip away the upbeat guitar wailing]]. But ''Trail Of Broken Hearts'' is a rare case where the song's slower tempo lets it sink in.
-->''Fly away down the lonely roads of yesterday''
-->''We close our eyes to see the light of brighter days''
-->''And all alone we'll be where time can never heal''
-->''With the trail of broken hearts flying free...''
** Even worse is ''Silence'', a song which was written in response to a friend of the band's suicide.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: The protagonist of "The Edge of the World" [[EarnYourHappyEnding earning their happy ending]] after a long and difficult journey to save the world.

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** For a real life example, after youtuber [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGLmzGJD0Ns Stevie T turned down touring with them]] due to his anxiety, the band showed no ill will toward him and Herman even talked with him on the phone for an hour about his own anxiety.

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** For a real life example, after youtuber [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGLmzGJD0Ns Stevie T turned down touring with them]] them as their bassist,]] due to his anxiety, the band showed no ill will toward him and Herman even talked with him on the phone for an hour about his own anxiety.
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** For a real life example, after youtuber [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGLmzGJD0Ns Stevie T turned down touring with them]] due to his anxiety, the band showed no ill will toward him and Herman even talked with him on the phone for an hour about his own anxiety.

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: Seems to be invoked with "Curse of Darkness", which opens with a riff much like the opening of "Bloody Tears", from ''VideoGame/{{Castlevania}}''; if taken within that context, the lyrics are [[BigBad Dracula]]'s own VillainSong.
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Seems to be invoked with "Curse "[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaCurseOfDarkness Curse of Darkness", Darkness]]", which opens with a riff much like the opening of "Bloody Tears", from ''VideoGame/{{Castlevania}}''; if taken within that context, the lyrics are [[BigBad Dracula]]'s own VillainSong.
** *** Or, more likely, Konami's.Konami's.
** The same can be said of their song "[[VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight Symphony of the Night]]", which is clearly meant to be from the main character {{Alucard}}'s point of view.

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