History YMMV / DragonAgeII

16th Aug '16 4:51:07 PM RomanBowler
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** Sebastian, unlike most of the examples, has to do with both his status as a DLC party member as well as his characterizations. While Creator/BioWare has a good track record for well liked DLC party members such as [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins Shale]], [[VideoGame/MassEffect2 Kasumi, Zaeed]], and [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 Javik]], many people feel that Sebastian doesn't really fit well into the overall dynamic and some feel that he shouldn't even be in the game at all, let alone worth the money to use him. Those who don't really mind the DLC party member part are also torn between whether they like him for being a nice religious guy who doesn't try to convert people by preaching or a blatant hypocrite who is well aware of the faults of the Chantry and yet doesn't do anything about it...and ''absolutely'' tries to convert people by preaching. [[spoiler:His decision to try and raise an army against Kirkwall if you spare Anders is also hotly debated.]]

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** Sebastian, unlike most of the examples, has to do with both his status as a DLC party member as well as his characterizations. While Creator/BioWare has a good track record for well liked DLC party members such as [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins Shale]], [[VideoGame/MassEffect2 Kasumi, Zaeed]], and [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 Javik]], many people feel that Sebastian doesn't really fit well into the overall dynamic and some feel that he shouldn't even be in the game at all, let alone worth the money to use him. Those who don't really mind the DLC party member part are also torn between whether they like him for being a nice nice, calm religious guy who doesn't try to convert people by preaching or is loathed for being a blatant hypocrite who is well aware of the faults of the Chantry and yet doesn't do anything about it...and ''absolutely'' tries to convert people by preaching. [[spoiler:His decision to try and raise an army against Kirkwall if you spare Anders is also hotly debated.]]
16th Aug '16 2:46:42 PM Repo
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* TheScrappy: Anders easily has one of the largest hatedoms of any character in the franchise: His ''Awakening'' fans hate his character shift from lovable womanizer to angsty rebel, his decision to blow up the Chantry and the fact that by Act 3, he is hostile to nearly everyone aside from a friendly Hawke and Varric.
14th Aug '16 7:41:03 AM Forenperser
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* RonTheDeathEater: People tend to demonize Grand Cleric Elthina for not doing enough to defuse the situation between Orsino and Meredith.
25th Jul '16 12:41:16 PM OnTheHillside
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** Almost all of Anders' conversations and banters, as well as all of his quests, revolve around the plight of mages. The degree of championing changes as the series goes on--he browbeats everyone in the beginning, and gets progressively angrier and more introverted as it continues.

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** Almost all of Anders' conversations and banters, as well as all of his quests, revolve around the plight of mages. The Though it comes from an understandable place, the degree of championing changes as the series goes on--he browbeats everyone in the beginning, and gets progressively angrier and more introverted as it continues.
25th Jul '16 12:37:24 PM OnTheHillside
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** Isabela is either a walking SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}} or a {{Designated Hero}}ine. Less severe than the other listed examples, particularly compared to Anders or Carver, and because the game does include several potential SelfDeprecation moments.

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** Isabela is either a walking SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}} with a secret heart of gold or a {{Designated Hero}}ine. Less severe than the other listed examples, particularly compared to Anders or Carver, Hero}}ine whose actions got a lot of innocent people killed, and because the game does include several potential SelfDeprecation moments.who engages in some extremely Not Okay banter with Fenris.
25th Jul '16 12:35:40 PM OnTheHillside
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** Sebastian, unlike most of the examples, has to do with both his status as a DLC party member as well as his characterizations. While Creator/BioWare has a good track record for well liked DLC party members such as [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins Shale]], [[VideoGame/MassEffect2 Kasumi, Zaeed]], and [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 Javik]], many people feel that Sebastian doesn't really fit well into the overall dynamic and some feel that he shouldn't even be in the game at all, let alone worth the money to use him. Those who don't really mind the DLC party member part are also torn between whether they like him for being a nice religious guy who doesn't try to convert people by preaching or a blant hypocrite who is well aware of the faults of the Chantry and yet doesn't do anything about it. [[spoiler:His decision to try and raise an army against Kirkwall if you spare Anders is also hotly debated.]]

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** Sebastian, unlike most of the examples, has to do with both his status as a DLC party member as well as his characterizations. While Creator/BioWare has a good track record for well liked DLC party members such as [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins Shale]], [[VideoGame/MassEffect2 Kasumi, Zaeed]], and [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 Javik]], many people feel that Sebastian doesn't really fit well into the overall dynamic and some feel that he shouldn't even be in the game at all, let alone worth the money to use him. Those who don't really mind the DLC party member part are also torn between whether they like him for being a nice religious guy who doesn't try to convert people by preaching or a blant blatant hypocrite who is well aware of the faults of the Chantry and yet doesn't do anything about it.it...and ''absolutely'' tries to convert people by preaching. [[spoiler:His decision to try and raise an army against Kirkwall if you spare Anders is also hotly debated.]]
13th Jul '16 8:31:52 PM Anddrix
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*** When factoring in Legacy, most players tend to agree that Carver has been [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescued from his Basebreaker status]], citing his newfound maturity (particularly as a warden, but even as a templar he qualifies), depth, and understanding of his father and siblings. It helps that Carver is the one who attempts to bury the hatchet. On the other hand, this DLC did just about nothing to affect Bethany's popularity whatsoever.

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*** When factoring in Legacy, most players tend to agree that Carver has been [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescued from his Basebreaker Base Breakering Character status]], citing his newfound maturity (particularly as a warden, but even as a templar he qualifies), depth, and understanding of his father and siblings. It helps that Carver is the one who attempts to bury the hatchet. On the other hand, this DLC did just about nothing to affect Bethany's popularity whatsoever.



* TheScrappy: Although he is more of a BaseBreaker, Anders easily has one of the largest hatedoms of any character in the franchise: His ''Awakening'' fans hate his character shift from lovable womanizer to angsty rebel, his decision to blow up the Chantry and the fact that by Act 3, he is hostile to nearly everyone aside from a friendly Hawke and Varric.

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* TheScrappy: Although he is more of a BaseBreaker, Anders easily has one of the largest hatedoms of any character in the franchise: His ''Awakening'' fans hate his character shift from lovable womanizer to angsty rebel, his decision to blow up the Chantry and the fact that by Act 3, he is hostile to nearly everyone aside from a friendly Hawke and Varric.



** Particularly ironic in regards to Carver, as most players agree that ''Legacy'' has [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescued him from the scrappy heap]]. Anders is still as much of a BaseBreaker as ever.

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** Particularly ironic in regards to Carver, as most players agree that ''Legacy'' has [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap rescued him from the scrappy heap]]. Anders is still as much of a BaseBreaker as ever.
13th Jul '16 5:47:44 PM RomanBowler
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* BaseBreaker: The companions in general (with the exception of Varric who is beloved by the fandom). To be more specific:

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: The companions in general (with the exception of Varric who is beloved by the fandom). To be more specific:
10th Jul '16 10:18:46 AM nombretomado
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** Merrill, especially as time has gone on. There's a good-sized faction of fans angry with Bioware for taking a no-nonsense, hard-nosed female authority figure in ''[=DA1=]'' and turning her into a {{Moe}} BunnyEarsLawyer {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, straight down to substantial physical changes to make her look ''far'' younger than her previous appearance. Others argue that she's a hugely important component of the story, as while other characters might provide "comic relief", nearly all the rest of it is of the bitter, ironic kind; Merrill is the only one who can provide legitimate ''levity'' thanks to her dogged innocence. They also point out that the game desperately needs a character like her to provide Hawke a different perspective on things. (Which leads the other side of the base wondering why BioWare couldn't have written a new character for the levity instead of rewriting a pre-existing hard-nosed female authority figure for the role.)

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** Merrill, especially as time has gone on. There's a good-sized faction of fans angry with Bioware for taking a no-nonsense, hard-nosed female authority figure in ''[=DA1=]'' and turning her into a {{Moe}} BunnyEarsLawyer {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, straight down to substantial physical changes to make her look ''far'' younger than her previous appearance. Others argue that she's a hugely important component of the story, as while other characters might provide "comic relief", nearly all the rest of it is of the bitter, ironic kind; Merrill is the only one who can provide legitimate ''levity'' thanks to her dogged innocence. They also point out that the game desperately needs a character like her to provide Hawke a different perspective on things. (Which leads the other side of the base wondering why BioWare Creator/BioWare couldn't have written a new character for the levity instead of rewriting a pre-existing hard-nosed female authority figure for the role.)



** Sebastian, unlike most of the examples, has to do with both his status as a DLC party member as well as his characterizations. While BioWare has a good track record for well liked DLC party members such as [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins Shale]], [[VideoGame/MassEffect2 Kasumi, Zaeed]], and [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 Javik]], many people feel that Sebastian doesn't really fit well into the overall dynamic and some feel that he shouldn't even be in the game at all, let alone worth the money to use him. Those who don't really mind the DLC party member part are also torn between whether they like him for being a nice religious guy who doesn't try to convert people by preaching or a blant hypocrite who is well aware of the faults of the Chantry and yet doesn't do anything about it. [[spoiler:His decision to try and raise an army against Kirkwall if you spare Anders is also hotly debated.]]
* BrokenBase: The sequel makes heavy changes from ''Origins'', which is a far more traditional BioWare game. In-fighting is vicious and common, in just about every discussion about the game.

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** Sebastian, unlike most of the examples, has to do with both his status as a DLC party member as well as his characterizations. While BioWare Creator/BioWare has a good track record for well liked DLC party members such as [[VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins Shale]], [[VideoGame/MassEffect2 Kasumi, Zaeed]], and [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 Javik]], many people feel that Sebastian doesn't really fit well into the overall dynamic and some feel that he shouldn't even be in the game at all, let alone worth the money to use him. Those who don't really mind the DLC party member part are also torn between whether they like him for being a nice religious guy who doesn't try to convert people by preaching or a blant hypocrite who is well aware of the faults of the Chantry and yet doesn't do anything about it. [[spoiler:His decision to try and raise an army against Kirkwall if you spare Anders is also hotly debated.]]
* BrokenBase: The sequel makes heavy changes from ''Origins'', which is a far more traditional BioWare Creator/BioWare game. In-fighting is vicious and common, in just about every discussion about the game.



* ContestedSequel: While the game received positive reviews upon release, with critics praising the companions' CharacterDevelopment, new gameplay changes, and a generally tighter story which deconstructed a ''lot'' of usual Creator/BioWare Tropes many fans criticized the environments for being smaller, less detailed and [[CopyAndPasteEnvironments very repetitive]]. This criticism was largely aimed at EA by detractors, believing they rushed out the sequel in a very short development cycle.[[note]]From start to finish, ''Dragon Age II'' hit the stores in just under 18 months. ''Origins'', meanwhile, had taken over ''four years'', and ''Inquisition'' for ''three''.[[/note]] Furthermore the finale remained largely the same regardless of player choices, and thus didn't really offer much in the way of closure. Several returning characters from previous ''Dragon Age'' games, particularly Anders, also have markedly different personalities. Is it a worthy entry into the DA franchise, an okay but obviously rushed game, a disappointing, lackluster experience with a few good ideas shining through here and there, or the herald of the beginning of the end for all of BioWare? [[FlameWar There but for the grace of the Maker go you, gentle troper.]]

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* ContestedSequel: While the game received positive reviews upon release, with critics praising the companions' CharacterDevelopment, new gameplay changes, and a generally tighter story which deconstructed a ''lot'' of usual Creator/BioWare Tropes many fans criticized the environments for being smaller, less detailed and [[CopyAndPasteEnvironments very repetitive]]. This criticism was largely aimed at EA by detractors, believing they rushed out the sequel in a very short development cycle.[[note]]From start to finish, ''Dragon Age II'' hit the stores in just under 18 months. ''Origins'', meanwhile, had taken over ''four years'', and ''Inquisition'' for ''three''.[[/note]] Furthermore the finale remained largely the same regardless of player choices, and thus didn't really offer much in the way of closure. Several returning characters from previous ''Dragon Age'' games, particularly Anders, also have markedly different personalities. Is it a worthy entry into the DA franchise, an okay but obviously rushed game, a disappointing, lackluster experience with a few good ideas shining through here and there, or the herald of the beginning of the end for all of BioWare? [=BioWare=]? [[FlameWar There but for the grace of the Maker go you, gentle troper.]]



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: A criticism of the game's writing is that characters from both the Mages and Templars are made out to be evil or insane so often that BioWare's attempt to create two morally gray antagonistic factions becomes a case of EvilVersusEvil instead.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: A criticism of the game's writing is that characters from both the Mages and Templars are made out to be evil or insane so often that BioWare's Creator/BioWare's attempt to create two morally gray antagonistic factions becomes a case of EvilVersusEvil instead.
28th Jun '16 11:53:17 AM gunslingerofgilead
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** Following the season 6 ''Series/GameOfThrones'' finale, fans of both franchises (of which there are many, due to the influence of''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' on ''Franchise/DragonAge''), immediately picked up on the similarities between [[spoiler:Anders' bombing of the Chantry and Cersei's bombing of the Great Sept]]. Since both of the characters are blond-haired, the phrase "way to go Blondie" became [[http://quesoconmermelada.tumblr.com/post/146538566291/someone-had-to quite the relevant statement]] for the events of the show.

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** Following the season 6 ''Series/GameOfThrones'' finale, fans of both franchises (of which there are many, due to the influence of''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' of ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' on ''Franchise/DragonAge''), immediately picked up on the similarities between [[spoiler:Anders' bombing of the Chantry and Cersei's bombing of the Great Sept]]. Since both of the characters are blond-haired, the phrase "way to go Blondie" became [[http://quesoconmermelada.tumblr.com/post/146538566291/someone-had-to quite the relevant statement]] for the events of the show.
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