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* FoeYay: The War Chief is all over the Doctor, with lines such as "We are two of a kind" and "We need each other". This is one reason why [[EpilepticTrees some fans believe]] he's an earlier Master. Noted on the DVDCommentary by Frazer Hines:
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* FoeYay: The War Chief is all over the Doctor, with lines such as "We are two of a kind" and "We need each other". This is one reason why [[EpilepticTrees some fans believe]] he's an earlier Master. Noted on the DVDCommentary by Frazer Hines:Creator/FrazerHines:
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'''Doctor''':Ttttiimmmmeee Llllloooordddss!!!
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** In what seems to be a bit of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, the Doctor implies in the final episode that Time Lords have an unlimited number of regenerations, just so long as their body isn't too badly damaged. Following the revelations about the Doctor's true past in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChildren The Timeless Children]]" many years later, one has to wonder if he might have subconsciously started to remember his true nature.
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** In what seems to be a bit of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, EarlyInstalmentWeirdness, the Doctor implies in the final episode that Time Lords have an unlimited number of regenerations, just so long as their body isn't too badly damaged. Following the revelations about the Doctor's true past in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChildren The Timeless Children]]" many years later, one has to wonder if he might have subconsciously started to remember his true nature.
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* AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame: It's the end of an era in many ways, and the first appearance of the Time Lords... but that's only at the end of a very long story which explores a war mystery and a conspiracy. It tends to be seen by some fans as loads of episodes of messing around before the Time Lords show up.
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** When the resistance leader shoots Smythe in episode seven, he clearly misses him by at least a metre and a half.
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** When the resistance leader shoots Smythe in episode seven, Episode Seven, he clearly misses him by at least a metre and a half.
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* ItWasHisSled: The Doctor and the War Chief being of the same race might have come as an surprise back when the episode aired, but not so much nowadays when his status as a ''Time Lord'' is common knowledge.
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* ItWasHisSled: The Doctor and the War Chief being of the same race might have come as an surprise back when the episode story first aired, but not so much nowadays when his status as a ''Time Lord'' is common knowledge.
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* AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame: It's the end of an era in many ways, and the first appearance of the Time Lords... but that's only at the end of a very long story which explores a war mystery and a conspiracy. Unfortunately, it now tends to be seen as loads of episodes of messing around before the Time Lords show up.
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* AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame: It's the end of an era in many ways, and the first appearance of the Time Lords... but that's only at the end of a very long story which explores a war mystery and a conspiracy. Unfortunately, it now It tends to be seen by some fans as loads of episodes of messing around before the Time Lords show up.
* ItWasHisSled: The Doctor and the War Chief being of the same race might have come as an surprise back when the episode aired, but not so much nowadays when his status as a ''Time Lord'' is common knowledge.
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* SacredCow: Even with the {{Padding}}, the general consensus is that this serial is one of the best in the Classic series and, along with ''The Caves of Androzani'', one of the best regeneration serials in the series. This is mainly due to the performances of the main trio and the War Chief, the twists, the introduction of the Time Lords and, of course, the tragic farewell to Jamie, Zoe and the Second Doctor.
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** When the resistance leader shoots Smythe in episode seven, he clearly misses him by at least meter and a half.
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** When the resistance leader shoots Smythe in episode seven, he clearly misses him by at least meter a metre and a half.
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** Speaking of, it doesn't take much effort to decode the implications of a story where entire generations of lower-class soldiers throughout history are being systematically oppressed, exploited, and wiped out by aristocratic overseers and generals colluding and coordinating the most appropriate war spectacle they can manage.
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** Speaking of, Though on a less silly note, it doesn't take much effort to decode the implications of a story where entire generations of lower-class soldiers throughout history are being systematically oppressed, lied to, exploited, and wiped out murdered by aristocratic overseers and generals colluding and coordinating the most appropriate war spectacle they can manage.manage. Especially when you know the story was written by Creator/MalcolmHulke, who was a communist and one of ''Who'''s most politically engaged writers.
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* ItWasHisSled: The doctor Doctor and the War Chief being of the same race might have come as an surprise back when the episode aired, but not so much nowadays when his status as a ''Time Lord'' is common knowledge.
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* ItWasHisSled: The doctor and the war chief War Chief being of the same race might have come as an surprise back when the episode aired, but not so much nowadays when his status as a ''Time Lord'' is common knowledge.
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* {{Padding}}: The story just goes on, and on, and on, because it had to take up the space of a six-part serial ''and'' a four-part serial and its writers were [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants pretty much writing as they were going along]]. Every time they start wrapping up plots, they add in another bunch of historical soldiers to incorporate. And, since the very end of the story is [[OutsideContextProblem the Time Lords showing up and breaking the plot]], a lot of it is a ShaggyDogStory.
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* ItWasHisSled: The doctor and the war chief being of the same race might have come as an surprise back when the episode aired, but not so much nowadays when his status as a ''Time Lord'' is common knowledge.
* {{Padding}}: The story just goes on, and on, and on,because as it had to take up the space of a six-part serial ''and'' a four-part serial and its writers were [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants pretty much writing as they were going along]]. Every time they start wrapping up plots, they add in another bunch of historical soldiers to incorporate. And, since the very end of the story is [[OutsideContextProblem the Time Lords showing up and breaking the plot]], a lot of it is a ShaggyDogStory.
* {{Padding}}: The story just goes on, and on, and on,
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* HilariousInHindsight: One of the faces the Doctor is asked to choose from bears a striking resemblance to Creator/DavidTennant.
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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
** One of the faces the Doctor is asked to choose from bears a striking resemblance toCreator/DavidTennant.Creator/DavidTennant.
** In what seems to be a bit of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, the Doctor implies in the final episode that Time Lords have an unlimited number of regenerations, just so long as their body isn't too badly damaged. Following the revelations about the Doctor's true past in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChildren The Timeless Children]]" many years later, one has to wonder if he might have subconsciously started to remember his true nature.
** One of the faces the Doctor is asked to choose from bears a striking resemblance to
** In what seems to be a bit of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness, the Doctor implies in the final episode that Time Lords have an unlimited number of regenerations, just so long as their body isn't too badly damaged. Following the revelations about the Doctor's true past in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS38E10TheTimelessChildren The Timeless Children]]" many years later, one has to wonder if he might have subconsciously started to remember his true nature.
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** The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/{{KarlMarx}}. Draw your own conclusions.
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** The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/{{KarlMarx}}.Creator/KarlMarx. Draw your own conclusions.
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** The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/KarlMarx. Draw your own conclusions.
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** The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/KarlMarx.UsefulNotes/{{KarlMarx}}. Draw your own conclusions.
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* FightSceneFailure: Part six has an absolutely laughable sequence. Jamie swings obviously wide of the mark blows vaguely at the bad guy's face, over and over and over, while a guard in the background of a fight sequence tries to escape, with a crummy slow-motion GirlyRun, before one of the heroes pulls him off a slope and onto a bed onto which he harmlessly bounces.
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* FightSceneFailure: FightSceneFailure:
** Part six has an absolutely laughable sequence. Jamie swings obviously wide of the mark blows vaguely at the bad guy's face, over and over and over, while a guard in the background of a fight sequence tries to escape, with a crummy slow-motion GirlyRun, before one of the heroes pulls him off a slope and onto a bed onto which he harmlesslybounces.bounces.
** When the resistance leader shoots Smythe in episode seven, he clearly misses him by at least meter and a half.
** Part six has an absolutely laughable sequence. Jamie swings obviously wide of the mark blows vaguely at the bad guy's face, over and over and over, while a guard in the background of a fight sequence tries to escape, with a crummy slow-motion GirlyRun, before one of the heroes pulls him off a slope and onto a bed onto which he harmlessly
** When the resistance leader shoots Smythe in episode seven, he clearly misses him by at least meter and a half.
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* HilariousInHindsight: One of the faces the Doctor is asked to choose from bears a striking resemblance to Creator/DavidTennant.
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* The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/KarlMarx. Draw your own conclusions.
* Speaking of, it doesn't take much effort to decode the implications of a story where entire generations of lower-class soldiers throughout history are being systematically oppressed, exploited, and wiped out by aristocratic overseers and generals colluding and coordinating the most appropriate war spectacle they can manage.
* Speaking of, it doesn't take much effort to decode the implications of a story where entire generations of lower-class soldiers throughout history are being systematically oppressed, exploited, and wiped out by aristocratic overseers and generals colluding and coordinating the most appropriate war spectacle they can manage.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/KarlMarx. Draw your own conclusions.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: The WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical
*The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/KarlMarx. Draw your ownconclusions.conclusions.
*Speaking of, it doesn't take much effort to decode the implications of a story where entire generations of lower-class soldiers throughout history are being systematically oppressed, exploited, and wiped out by aristocratic overseers and generals colluding and coordinating the most appropriate war spectacle they can manage.
*The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/KarlMarx. Draw your own
*Speaking of, it doesn't take much effort to decode the implications of a story where entire generations of lower-class soldiers throughout history are being systematically oppressed, exploited, and wiped out by aristocratic overseers and generals colluding and coordinating the most appropriate war spectacle they can manage.
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* FoeYay: The War Chief is all over the Doctor, with lines such as "We are two of a kind" and "We need each other". This is one reason why [[EpilepticTrees some fans believe]] he's an earlier Master. Noted on the DVDCommentary by Frazer Hines:
-->'''War Chief:''' (Having just made sure he's alone with the Doctor) You may have changed your face, but I know who you are.
-->'''Hines:''' "... my wife!"
-->'''War Chief:''' (Having just made sure he's alone with the Doctor) You may have changed your face, but I know who you are.
-->'''Hines:''' "... my wife!"
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* AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame: It's the end of an era in many ways, and the first appearance of the Time Lords... but that's only at the end of a very long story which explores a war mystery and a conspiracy. Unfortunately, it now tends to be seen as loads of episodes of messing around before the Time Lords show up.
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* {{Padding}}: The story just goes on, and on, and on, because it had to take up the space of a six-part serial ''and'' a four-part serial and its writers were [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants pretty much writing as they were going along]]. Every time they start wrapping up plots, they add in another bunch of historical soldiers to incorporate. And, since the very end of the story is [[OutsideContextProblem the Time Lords showing up and breaking the plot]], a lot of it is a ShaggyDogStory.
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* {{Padding}}: The story just goes on, and on, and on, because it had to take up the space of a six-part serial ''and'' a four-part serial and its writers were [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants pretty much writing as they were going along]]. Every time they start wrapping up plots, they add in another bunch of historical soldiers to incorporate. And, since the very end of the story is [[OutsideContextProblem the Time Lords showing up and breaking the plot]], a lot of it is a ShaggyDogStory.ShaggyDogStory.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/KarlMarx. Draw your own conclusions.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: The Time Lords ask the Doctor to choose his own face from a bunch of drawings projected on a screen. One (the one dismissed by the Doctor as 'too old') appears to be UsefulNotes/KarlMarx. Draw your own conclusions.
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* FightSceneFailure: Part six has an absolutely laughable sequence. Jamie swings obviously wide of the mark blows vaguely at the bad guy's face, over and over and over, while a guard in the background of a fight sequence tries to escape, with a crummy slow-motion GirlyRun, before one of the heroes pulls him off a slope and onto a bed onto which he harmlessly bounces.
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* HarsherInHindsight: At the time, the concept of Regeneration really wasn't as fleshed out as it is now. At the time, the Time Lords were just making the Doctor 'change his appearance' in preparation for his exile. Now, it's more or less the Time Lords ''summarily executing the Doctor'' (in the sense of forcing him to regenerate) before they exile him.
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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
** At the time, the concept of Regeneration really wasn't as fleshed out as it is now. At the time, the Time Lords were just making the Doctor 'change his appearance' in preparation for his exile. Now, it's more or less the Time Lords ''summarily executing the Doctor'' (in the sense of forcing him to regenerate) before they exile him.
** At the time, the concept of Regeneration really wasn't as fleshed out as it is now. At the time, the Time Lords were just making the Doctor 'change his appearance' in preparation for his exile. Now, it's more or less the Time Lords ''summarily executing the Doctor'' (in the sense of forcing him to regenerate) before they exile him.
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* {{Padding}}: The story just goes on, and on, and on, because it had to take up the space of a six-part serial ''and'' a four-part serial and its writers were [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants pretty much writing as they were going along]]. Every time they start wrapping up plots, they add in another bunch of historical soldiers to incorporate. And, since the very end of the story is [[OutsideContextProblem the Time Lords showing up and breaking the plot]], a lot of it is a ShaggyDogStory.
* {{Padding}}: The story just goes on, and on, and on, because it had to take up the space of a six-part serial ''and'' a four-part serial and its writers were [[WritingByTheSeatOfYourPants pretty much writing as they were going along]]. Every time they start wrapping up plots, they add in another bunch of historical soldiers to incorporate. And, since the very end of the story is [[OutsideContextProblem the Time Lords showing up and breaking the plot]], a lot of it is a ShaggyDogStory.
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*** He tried it again later in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]]". The result is just as heartbreaking.
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*** He tried it again later in "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]]". The result is just as heartbreaking.heartbreaking.
* {{Narm}}: The slo-mo stutter in the cliffhanger to part nine:
--->'''Doctor''': Ccccoommmee onnnn!!!!
--->'''Zoe''': Wwhaatt iiss ittt??
--->'''Doctor''':Ttttiimmmmeee Llllloooordddss!!!
* {{Narm}}: The slo-mo stutter in the cliffhanger to part nine:
--->'''Doctor''': Ccccoommmee onnnn!!!!
--->'''Zoe''': Wwhaatt iiss ittt??
--->'''Doctor''':Ttttiimmmmeee Llllloooordddss!!!
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** Likewise, Jamie and Zoe's fates (being mindwiped and sent back to their own time with no memory of their adventures or one another) seemed to have left a lasting scar on The Doctor, causing him to be a lot more distant to his Companions for a long time to come. But come 40-something years later and "Journey's End" where ''he'' has to be the one carrying out that fate to a Companion, despite her begging him not to? ''Ouch!''
*** He tried it again later in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]]. The result is just as heartbreaking.
*** He tried it again later in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]]. The result is just as heartbreaking.
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** Likewise, Jamie and Zoe's fates (being mindwiped and sent back to their own time with no memory of their adventures or one another) seemed to have left a lasting scar on The Doctor, causing him to be a lot more distant to his Companions for a long time to come. But come 40-something years later and "Journey's End" "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E13JourneysEnd Journey's End]]" where ''he'' has to be the one carrying out that fate to a Companion, despite her begging him not to? ''Ouch!''
*** He tried it again later in[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]].Bent]]". The result is just as heartbreaking.
*** He tried it again later in
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** Likewise, Jamie and Zoe's fates (being mindwiped and sent back to their own time with no memory of their adventures or one another) seemed to have left a lasting scar on The Doctor, causing him to be a lot more distant to his Companions for a long time to come. But come 40-something years later and "Journey's End" where ''he'' has to be the one carrying out that fate to a Companion, despite her begging him not to? ''Ouch!''
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** Likewise, Jamie and Zoe's fates (being mindwiped and sent back to their own time with no memory of their adventures or one another) seemed to have left a lasting scar on The Doctor, causing him to be a lot more distant to his Companions for a long time to come. But come 40-something years later and "Journey's End" where ''he'' has to be the one carrying out that fate to a Companion, despite her begging him not to? ''Ouch!''''Ouch!''
*** He tried it again later in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]]. The result is just as heartbreaking.
*** He tried it again later in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E12HellBent Hell Bent]]. The result is just as heartbreaking.
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* HarsherInHindsight: At the time, the concept of Regeneration really wasn't as fleshed out as it is now. At the time, the Time Lords were just making the Doctor 'change his appearance' in preparation for his exile. Now, it's more or less the Time Lords ''killing the Doctor'' (in the sense of forcing him to use one of his 12 regenerations) before they exile him, in essence this was a summary execution.
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* HarsherInHindsight: At the time, the concept of Regeneration really wasn't as fleshed out as it is now. At the time, the Time Lords were just making the Doctor 'change his appearance' in preparation for his exile. Now, it's more or less the Time Lords ''killing ''summarily executing the Doctor'' (in the sense of forcing him to use one of his 12 regenerations) regenerate) before they exile him, in essence this was a summary execution.him.
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* HarsherInHindsight: At the time, the concept of Regeneration really wasn't as fleshed out as it is now. At the time, the Time Lords were just making the Doctor 'change his appearance' in preparation for his exile. Now, it's more or less the Time Lords ''killing the Doctor'' (in the sense of forcing him to use one of his 12 regenerations) before they exile him, in essence this was a summary execution.
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* HarsherInHindsight: At the time, the concept of Regeneration really wasn't as fleshed out as it is now. At the time, the Time Lords were just making the Doctor 'change his appearance' in preparation for his exile. Now, it's more or less the Time Lords ''killing the Doctor'' (in the sense of forcing him to use one of his 12 regenerations) before they exile him, in essence this was a summary execution.execution.
** Likewise, Jamie and Zoe's fates (being mindwiped and sent back to their own time with no memory of their adventures or one another) seemed to have left a lasting scar on The Doctor, causing him to be a lot more distant to his Companions for a long time to come. But come 40-something years later and "Journey's End" where ''he'' has to be the one carrying out that fate to a Companion, despite her begging him not to? ''Ouch!''
** Likewise, Jamie and Zoe's fates (being mindwiped and sent back to their own time with no memory of their adventures or one another) seemed to have left a lasting scar on The Doctor, causing him to be a lot more distant to his Companions for a long time to come. But come 40-something years later and "Journey's End" where ''he'' has to be the one carrying out that fate to a Companion, despite her begging him not to? ''Ouch!''
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* HellIsThatNoise: A low howling toward the end of episode 9 indicates the Time Lords' arrival.
* HellIsThatNoise: A low howling toward the end of episode 9 indicates the Time Lords' arrival.
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* HarsherInHindsight: At the time, the concept of Regeneration really wasn't as fleshed out as it is now. At the time, the Time Lords were just making the Doctor 'change his appearance' in preparation for his exile. Now, it's more or less the Time Lords ''killing the Doctor'' (in the sense of forcing him to use one of his 12 regenerations) before they exile him, in essence this was a summary execution.
* HellIsThatNoise: A low howling toward the end of episode 9 indicates the Time Lords' arrival.execution.
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* HellIsThatNoise: A low howling toward the end of episode 9 indicates the Time Lords' arrival.
* HellIsThatNoise: A low howling toward the end of episode 9 indicates the Time Lords' arrival.