History YMMV / DarthBane

24th Nov '15 2:35:20 PM Dragon101
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While Bane believes the Brotherhood of Darkness has weakened the Sith with its togetherness and loyalty, it's actually said that a large part of that is Kaan's using the Force power Battle Meditation at times to alter the Brotherhood's opinions. Kaan even tries it on Bane; it doesn't work. Bane doesn't respect Kaan any more for this though, since in his eyes it merely proves how weak Kaan himself is (for needing to rely on it in the first place) and the rest of the Sith under his command (for being weak enough to be controlled by it).

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While Bane believes the Brotherhood of Darkness has weakened the Sith with its togetherness and loyalty, it's actually said that a large part of that is Kaan's using the Force power Battle Meditation at times to alter the Brotherhood's opinions. Kaan even tries it on Bane; it doesn't work. Bane doesn't respect Kaan any more for this though, since in his eyes it merely proves how weak Kaan himself is (for needing to rely on it in the first place) and the rest of the Sith under his command are (for being weak enough to be controlled by it).
14th Nov '15 10:14:02 AM Dragon101
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While Bane believes the Brotherhood of Darkness has weakened the Sith with its togetherness and loyalty, it's actually said that a large part of that is Kaan's using the Force power Battle Meditation at times to alter the Brotherhood's opinions; ironically, something that Bane would respect. Kaan even tries it on Bane. It doesn't work.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While Bane believes the Brotherhood of Darkness has weakened the Sith with its togetherness and loyalty, it's actually said that a large part of that is Kaan's using the Force power Battle Meditation at times to alter the Brotherhood's opinions; ironically, something that Bane would respect. opinions. Kaan even tries it on Bane. It Bane; it doesn't work.work. Bane doesn't respect Kaan any more for this though, since in his eyes it merely proves how weak Kaan himself is (for needing to rely on it in the first place) and the rest of the Sith under his command (for being weak enough to be controlled by it).
3rd Oct '14 6:42:39 PM Uyyy
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* EpilepticTrees: Karpyshyn intended for it to be clear that [[spoiler: Zannah won the duel at the end of ''Dynasty of Evil'' and fought off Bane's possession attempt]], but it didn't take. Subsequently, fans theorized that not only had [[spoiler: Bane succeeded in taking over Zannah's body]], but that he had repeated the process since with ''every Sith apprentice down to Sidious''.
7th Jun '14 7:54:26 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: An interesting case in which the protagonist is this.

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* CompleteMonster: An interesting case in which the protagonist [[VillainProtagonist protagonist]] is this.
3rd Nov '13 11:09:18 AM despoa
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* CompleteMonster:

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* CompleteMonster:CompleteMonster: An interesting case in which the protagonist is this.
2nd Nov '13 8:52:06 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Darth Bane and Zannah.

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Darth Bane is the one who both destroys and Zannah.reinvents the Sith. Born [[FromNobodyToNightmare the child of a simple miner]], Bane became a soldier and eventually joined the Sith Academy at a young age. Soon enough, Bane became a devotee of the Dark Side and came to the conclusion the current Sith were weak and flawed. Bane would soon abandon anything resembling morality or compassion. When poisoned, he saved his life by slaughtering a father's three young sons in front of him, drinking in the man's agony before killing him as well. He received healing only when he threatened to torture a healer's young daughter to death. when he rejoined the Sith with the goal to purge them, Bane led them in a ritual that stripped a world of life and finally tricked the leader of the Sith brotherhood, Lord Kaan, into using a forbidden technique that wiped out the Sith and Jedi armies, leading their souls imprisoned in [[AndIMustScream a horrible prison]] for the next thousand years.
** Darth Zannah is Bane's first true apprentice who submits herself to the Dark Side as a [[EnfanteTerrible young girl]] after she crosses the DespairEventHorizon. Proving herself to have the potential for evil, she murdered the crew of a small ship, including children, to secure passage to rejoin Bane. After ten years with Bane, any kindness or innocence Zannah once had is dead and gone. She has no compunction betraying her lover to his death, never having cared about him to begin with. When she discovers a terrorist in the same conspiracy was her lover's other woman, Zannah reveals her talent as a MindRape specialist: she uses her sith sorcery to destroy the woman's mind with horrible visions that make her claw out her own eyes until her mind is destroyed, save for a small pocket of consciousness where she will suffer until death. After a duel with the Jedi, Bane is critically injured. Unwilling to let him die before she has all his teachings, Zannah tricks her cousin and the same healer Bane blackmailed years ago, before she slowly hacks the healer to death with her lightsaber and uses her powers to drive her cousin into insanity so the Jedi will kill him, thinking he's the Sith Lord. While Bane is ice cold, devoid of emotion and feeling, Zannah is violent and openly cruel and sadistic, preferring to cause pain mentally. She is a worthy heir to the millennia long evil of the Sith.
24th Aug '13 5:31:39 PM TVRulezAgain
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While Bane believes the Brotherhood of Darkness has weakened the Sith with its togetherness and loyalty, it's actually said that a large part of that is Kaan's using the Force power Battle Meditation at times to alter the Brotherhood's opinions; ironically, something that Bane would respect. Kaan even tries it on Bane. Needless to say, it doesn't work.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While Bane believes the Brotherhood of Darkness has weakened the Sith with its togetherness and loyalty, it's actually said that a large part of that is Kaan's using the Force power Battle Meditation at times to alter the Brotherhood's opinions; ironically, something that Bane would respect. Kaan even tries it on Bane. Needless to say, it It doesn't work.



* MoralEventHorizon: Bane crosses this for most when he murders a couple of children to survive, though readers still like him. So it's more a KickTheDog or IDidWhatIHadToDo moment. Zannah also has such a moment [[spoiler:after torturing her cousin to madness and using him to deflect attention from the Sith]], though for some other readers it's when she [[spoiler:destroys another woman's mind with her sorcery just because the woman was a romantic rival]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: Bane crosses this for most when he murders kills a couple of children to survive, though readers still like him. So it's more a KickTheDog or IDidWhatIHadToDo moment. Zannah also has such a moment [[spoiler:after torturing her cousin to madness and using him to deflect attention from the Sith]], though for some other readers it's when she [[spoiler:destroys another woman's mind with her sorcery just because the woman was a romantic rival]].
4th Apr '13 11:36:03 AM TVRulezAgain
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* CompleteMonster: It seems to be a job requirement for the Sith.

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* CompleteMonster: It seems to be a job requirement for the Sith.Darth Bane and Zannah.
12th Oct '12 1:06:35 AM IchigoMontoya
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* {{Alternate Character Interpretation}}: While Bane believes the Brotherhood of Darkness has weakened the Sith with its togetherness and loyalty, it's actually said that a large part of that is Kaan's using the Force power Battle Meditation at times to alter the Brotherhood's opinions; ironically, something that Bane would respect. Kaan even tries it on Bane. Needless to say, it doesn't work.
* CompleteMonster: Amusingly, both Bane and Zannah are this as compared to the other Sith. Yet we're supposed to root for '''them'''.
** Don't forget Darth Cognus. It seems to be a job requirement for the Sith.
* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Bane practically lives with these. His first Crowning Moment of Awesome is undoubtedly when he [[spoiler:totally destroys Sirak, an Academy student who had up until that point been believed to be invincible and who had trashed Bane before.]] Later, Bane defeats [[spoiler:Kas'im, his old lightsaber master and the greatest lightsaber duelist in the galaxy, by ''dropping a building on him'';]] not to mention his [[spoiler:manipulating the Brotherhood of Darkness into destroying itself.]] Zannah has a particularly {{squick}} version of this when she [[spoiler:throws the Jedi off their trail by driving her cousin insane and sending him out to be slaughtered.]] And [[PapaWolf Caleb]] gets one for standing his ground against Darth Bane by sheer force of will (not the literal Force). This one doesn't last, however.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Despite attempts to avoid it in the novels, some readers only come away with the belief that Bane is '''awesome'''. Zannah gets some of this treatment as well.
* EpilepticTrees: There's really no way to word this in a non-spoilery way. [[spoiler:At the very end of ''Dynasty of Evil'', the all-but defeated Bane attempts to use the Ritual of Essence Transfer as a last-ditch effort to win the fight between him and Zannah. Zannah defeats Bane and casts his soul / spirit / mind / whatever out, but enough of Bane sort of "stayed behind" to cause her to unconciously flex her left hand repeatedly - something Bane had done throughout the book to calm a tremor. This led to a ''great'' deal of confusion among a ''great'' deal of fans until author Drew Karpyshyn posted a public apology(for the unintentional ambiguity of the scene) and clarification [[http://www.drewkarpyshyn.com/spoiler.htm on his website.]](Zannah won, Bane is gone).]]
** The most in[[IncrediblyLamePun sidious]] version of this theory was that [[spoiler:not only did Bane possess Zannah, but that he body-jumped from Sith Lord to Sith Lord for the next millennium, up to and including ''Palpatine'', effectively retconning quite a bit of the movies]]. Karpyshyn was specifically shooting down this tree.
** Also, [[spoiler:Set, who had obtained Darth Andeddu's holocron by the end of DOE is believed to become Palpatine.]]
*** Other RPG materials have long since jossed that theory.
**** Not to mention that the guy clearly thought the Rule Of Two was idiocy, unlike [[spoiler: Palpatine]].
* EvilIsCool: About only half the reason this series works.
* GodModeStu: Bane is such a VillainSue it overlaps with this.
* IdiotPlot: The second book requires the ''entire Jedi Order'' to be idiots in order to work. And considering the portrayal of Jedi in pretty much every other work in the series...
** Considering how they are portrayed in the [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic KOTOR games]], it is entirely believable they would be that arrogant. And if you're comparing them to the Jedi in the prequel movies, lets just say you're [[BrokenBase opening the floodgates]].
*** There are over ten knights when [[spoiler: Darovit is killed.]] Not a single Jedi ponders "Hey, this guy would've been ten at Ruusan!" Not a single Jedi elects to search the premises thoroughly. Not a single Jedi thinks 'apprentice!' not a single kriffing Jedi thinks he [[spoiler: killed some of our greatest warriors and put up no fight at all, isn't that weird?]]
* MoralEventHorizon: Oddly, Bane crosses this for most when he murders a couple of children to survive, yet readers still like him. So its more a KickTheDog or IDidWhatIHadToDo moment. Zannah also has such a moment [[spoiler:after torturing her cousin to madness and using him to deflect attention from the Sith]], though for some other readers it's when she [[spoiler:destroys another womans mind with her sorcery just because the woman was a romantic rival]].
* StupidEvil: While Kaan was not exactly a mastermind, Bane is in error when he believes that ''his'' way is much smarter and better for the Sith. When creating the Rule Of Two, it simply never occurred to him that he might not be able to find a suitable apprentice to carry on the Sith Order. And it also never occurred to him that he might end up dying or weakening with age before the apprentice challenged him. And it ''also'' never occurred to him that even if everything worked out just peachy for him and Zannah, ''eventually'' the future Sith might be eliminated (or at least weakened) when one of those two possibilities came to pass. [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revan and Malak]] at least had a buttload of Dark Jedi working for them, any of whom could have taken up the mantle of Sith Lord if both of them died unexpectedly. Kaan's Brotherhood could have also survived the sudden death of any one or two Sith. By comparison, the Rule Of Two assumes that ''[[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong absolutely nothing]]'' [[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong will go wrong]] and that the cycle of "apprentice kills and replaces master ''in a fair fight''" will continue uninterrupted for as long as it takes to bring down the Jedi and the Republic. And [[AsYouKnow as we know]], [[ReturnOfTheJedi things didn't work out that way]], and the Sith were finally wiped out. (Bane likely would have thought that [[TheThrawnTrilogy Mara Jade]], [[LegacyOfTheForce Vergere, and Lumiya]] didn't count. And when [[StarWarsLegacy Darth Krayt]] activates Bane's holocron, the holocron tells him that ''he'' doesn't count.) When you think about it, the Sith might very well have survived a lot longer if not for Bane's stupidity.
* VillainSue: Bane to absurd degrees. Completes training to become the greatest Sith alive in a fraction of the time it'd take others, defeats all the greatest fighters ever...really, every fight he's in is just to showcase how awesome he's become and let Karpyshyn show off his badass Stu.
** Cognus might qualify
** Githany also qualifies, given how often she is given credit for being beautiful and manipulative.
* {{Wangst}}: The first book positively drowns in it
** Well, it does until the third act where [[spoiler:Bane finally stops trying to grasp for the Brotherhood's approval, after learning how much they've ruined the Sith. After that, he's less wangst and more badass.]]

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* {{Alternate Character Interpretation}}: AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While Bane believes the Brotherhood of Darkness has weakened the Sith with its togetherness and loyalty, it's actually said that a large part of that is Kaan's using the Force power Battle Meditation at times to alter the Brotherhood's opinions; ironically, something that Bane would respect. Kaan even tries it on Bane. Needless to say, it doesn't work.
* CompleteMonster: Amusingly, both Bane and Zannah are this as compared to the other Sith. Yet we're supposed to root for '''them'''.
** Don't forget Darth Cognus.
It seems to be a job requirement for the Sith.
* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Bane practically lives with these. His first Crowning Moment of Awesome is undoubtedly when he [[spoiler:totally destroys Sirak, an Academy student who had up until that point been believed to be invincible and who had trashed Bane before.]] Later, Bane defeats [[spoiler:Kas'im, his old lightsaber master and the greatest lightsaber duelist in the galaxy, by ''dropping a building on him'';]] not to mention his [[spoiler:manipulating the Brotherhood of Darkness into destroying itself.]] Zannah has a particularly {{squick}} version of this when she [[spoiler:throws the Jedi off their trail by driving her cousin insane and sending him out to be slaughtered.]] And [[PapaWolf Caleb]] gets one for standing his ground against Darth Bane by sheer force of will (not the literal Force). This one doesn't last, however.
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DracoInLeatherPants: Despite attempts to avoid it in the novels, some readers only come away with the belief that Bane is '''awesome'''. Zannah gets some of this treatment as well.
* EpilepticTrees: There's really no way to word this in a non-spoilery way. [[spoiler:At the very end of ''Dynasty of Evil'', the all-but defeated Bane attempts to use the Ritual of Essence Transfer as a last-ditch effort to win the fight between him and Zannah. Zannah defeats
Darth Bane and casts his soul / spirit / mind / whatever out, but enough of Bane sort of "stayed behind" to cause her to unconciously flex her left hand repeatedly - something Bane had done throughout the book to calm a tremor. This led to a ''great'' deal of confusion among a ''great'' deal of fans until author Drew Karpyshyn posted a public apology(for the unintentional ambiguity of the scene) and clarification [[http://www.drewkarpyshyn.com/spoiler.htm on his website.]](Zannah won, Bane is gone).]]
** The most in[[IncrediblyLamePun sidious]] version of this theory was that [[spoiler:not only did Bane possess Zannah, but that he body-jumped from Sith Lord to Sith Lord for the next millennium, up to and including ''Palpatine'', effectively retconning quite a bit of the movies]]. Karpyshyn was specifically shooting down this tree.
** Also, [[spoiler:Set, who had obtained Darth Andeddu's holocron by the end of DOE is believed to become Palpatine.]]
*** Other RPG materials have long since jossed that theory.
**** Not to mention that the guy clearly thought the Rule Of Two was idiocy, unlike [[spoiler: Palpatine]].
Zannah.
* EvilIsCool: About only half the reason this series works.
* GodModeStu: Bane is such a VillainSue it overlaps with this.
* IdiotPlot: The second book requires the ''entire Jedi Order'' to be idiots in order to work. And considering the portrayal of Jedi in pretty much every other work in the series...
** Considering how they are portrayed in the [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic KOTOR games]], it is entirely believable they would be that arrogant. And if you're comparing them to the Jedi in the prequel movies, lets just say you're [[BrokenBase opening the floodgates]].
*** There are over ten knights when [[spoiler: Darovit is killed.]] Not a single Jedi ponders "Hey, this guy would've been ten at Ruusan!" Not a single Jedi elects to search the premises thoroughly. Not a single Jedi thinks 'apprentice!' not a single kriffing Jedi thinks he [[spoiler: killed some of our greatest warriors and put up no fight at all, isn't that weird?]]
Darth Bane.
* MoralEventHorizon: Oddly, Bane crosses this for most when he murders a couple of children to survive, yet though readers still like him. So its it's more a KickTheDog or IDidWhatIHadToDo moment. Zannah also has such a moment [[spoiler:after torturing her cousin to madness and using him to deflect attention from the Sith]], though for some other readers it's when she [[spoiler:destroys another womans woman's mind with her sorcery just because the woman was a romantic rival]].
* StupidEvil: While Kaan was not exactly a mastermind, Bane is in error when he believes that ''his'' way is much smarter and better for the Sith. When creating the Rule Of Two, it simply never occurred to him that he might not be able to find a suitable apprentice to carry on the Sith Order. And it also never occurred to him that he might end up dying or weakening with age before the apprentice challenged him. And it ''also'' never occurred to him that even if everything worked out just peachy for him and Zannah, ''eventually'' the future Sith might be eliminated (or at least weakened) when one of those two possibilities came to pass. [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revan and Malak]] at least had a buttload of Dark Jedi working for them, any of whom could have taken up the mantle of Sith Lord if both of them died unexpectedly. Kaan's Brotherhood could have also survived the sudden death of any one or two Sith. By comparison, the Rule Of Two assumes that ''[[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong absolutely nothing]]'' [[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong will go wrong]] and that the cycle of "apprentice kills and replaces master ''in a fair fight''" will continue uninterrupted for as long as it takes to bring down the Jedi and the Republic. And [[AsYouKnow as we know]], [[ReturnOfTheJedi things didn't work out that way]], and the Sith were finally wiped out. (Bane likely would have thought that [[TheThrawnTrilogy Mara Jade]], [[LegacyOfTheForce Vergere, and Lumiya]] didn't count. And when [[StarWarsLegacy Darth Krayt]] activates Bane's holocron, the holocron tells him that ''he'' doesn't count.) When you think about it, the Sith might very well have survived a lot longer if not for Bane's stupidity.
* VillainSue: Bane to absurd degrees. Completes training to become the greatest Sith alive in a fraction of the time it'd take others, defeats all the greatest fighters ever...really, every fight he's in is just to showcase how awesome he's become and let Karpyshyn show off his badass Stu.
** Cognus might qualify
** Githany also qualifies, given how often she is given credit for being beautiful and manipulative.
* {{Wangst}}: The first book positively drowns in it
** Well, it does until the third act where [[spoiler:Bane finally stops trying to grasp for the Brotherhood's approval, after learning how much they've ruined the Sith. After that, he's less wangst and more badass.]]
5th Jun '12 2:58:47 PM Blacksun388
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** Githany also qualifies, given how often she is given credit for being beautiful and manipulative.
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