History YMMV / Cyborg009

28th Jan '18 12:52:53 PM ferfrnir
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** An otherwise TearJerker and Heartwarming moment from episode 15 of the 1968 series, where a wounded 003 drags herself on the ground towards an unconscious 009, who's prisoner inside a glass dome, while loudly calling out his name just to make sure he's still alive, is undercut by the fact that [[spoiler: 006 and 007 are next to him in the same trap, in his same condition, [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and through the whole scene she doesn't spare a single word for them.]]]]


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** The '60s series and the earliest chapters of the manga used to have a more... let's say casual approach to animal cruelty. While occasionally the characters would openly express their regret at having to hurt or kill innocent animals, some of the depictions are pretty graphic by today's standards.
21st Jan '18 1:26:19 PM ferfrnir
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* TakeThat: Around 1978 a record with the theme songs of some of the most successful animated series and movies based on Ishinomori's works was released in Japan. He drew the cover for it, as a photoshoot with all the main characters of the series whose music was contained in the collection. [[https://i.imgur.com/AOwPs2g.jpg Here's the picture]]: if you look at the part of the image where the cyborgs are gathered you'll notice how 007 is holding a photo of his child version, and doesn't look too pleased by it.
8th Jan '18 12:58:50 PM ferfrnir
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* StockFootageFailure: Due to being made on a low budget the 60's movies and tv series feature a lot of stock footage, with the first movie alone being for almost one third recycled animation. The most conspicuous examples are two particular scenes (the first of a ballerina dancing and the other of a submarine emerging from the sea) that are easily recognizable as such due to not only appearing in both movies and the tv series, but also thanks to how much more detailed and animated fluidly they are, which makes them stand out among the rest of the choppy LimitedAnimation.


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* UnexpectedlyDarkEpisode: While keeping an overall silly and wacky tone, the 1968 series has a few episodes that approach more mature themes than one would expect from a children tv show of the time - while it's nothing new for the series if one is familiar with the source material, given the more lighthearted nature of the two Toei-produced movies that preceded it, it can be surprising. Thanks to it being fansubbed, episode 2 "Challenge of X" is the best know example, but there are also episode 16, "Ghosts of the Pacific", which deals with Japanese anti-Americanism as a consequence of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombings; episode 20 is about racism and de-colonization in Africa; the two-parter "The ghost of vengeance" contains enough NightmareFuel moments it could qualify as a straight out horror story; and the final episode has the cyborgs trying to stop termonuclear war between the Western and Eastern blocks, using some horrifying imagery throughout.
3rd Jan '18 3:51:22 PM QueenBEAUTY
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** Bouncing off of this is highlighting Joe's mistreatment over being [[ButNotTooForeign biracial]], with his delinquency in the manga and '79 series resulting from the severe bullying from other Japanese kids over his heritage. He's the leader of the cyborgs, and he's treated respectfully. It is ''very'' forward-minded and timely, and the absence of this portion of Joe's backstory in later adaptations is somewhat mind-boggling.
8th Sep '17 9:09:35 PM bt8257
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* ContestedSequel: "Conclusion: God's War" is meant to be seen as the official continuation and ending to the manga, however, the fact that it wasn't written by Ishinomori (owing to AuthorExistenceFailure) has left it ''highly'' contested by fans. The fact that Kazuhiko Shimamoto was left out of the planning for the finalized manga also sparked controversy, as Ishinomori had wanted to co-plot the original concept with him.

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* ContestedSequel: "Conclusion: God's War" is meant to be seen as the official continuation and ending to the manga, however, the fact that it wasn't written by Ishinomori (owing (due to AuthorExistenceFailure) has left it ''highly'' contested by fans. The fact that Kazuhiko Shimamoto was left out of the planning for the finalized manga also sparked controversy, as Ishinomori had wanted to co-plot the original concept with him.



* EvilIsCool: [[BigBad Skull]]. He's utterly devious, has a cool design, and in the 2001 anime, he's voiced by [[Creator/NorioWakamoto Norio freaking Wakamoto]] (or Creator/RichardEpcar in the English dub) both of whom manage to give him an incredibly [[LargeHam hammy]] and enjoyable performance.

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* EvilIsCool: [[BigBad Skull]]. He's utterly devious, has a cool design, and in the 2001 anime, he's voiced by [[Creator/NorioWakamoto Norio freaking Wakamoto]] Creator/NorioWakamoto (or Creator/RichardEpcar in the English dub) both of whom manage to give him an incredibly [[LargeHam hammy]] and enjoyable performance.



* GeniusBonus: For the '68 series (in regards to the episode with Cyborg X), [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb how dangerous a Cobalt Bomb actually is]]. It's not as explosive as an Uranium Bomb, but it's the most radioactive bomb ever conceived. It's been over '''65 years''' and this bomb is still only hypothetical. [[note]] That was the point Leó Szilárd, the man who conceived the theory of a cobalt bomb, was trying to make; nuclear weapon technology would soon reach the point where it could end human life on Earth. A doomsday device, more or less.[[/note]]

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* GeniusBonus: For the '68 series (in regards to the episode with Cyborg X), [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb how dangerous a Cobalt Bomb actually is]]. It's not as explosive as an Uranium Bomb, but it's the most radioactive bomb ever conceived. It's been over '''65 years''' and this bomb is still only hypothetical. [[note]] That was the point Leó Szilárd, Leo Szilard, the man who conceived the theory of a cobalt bomb, was trying to make; he wanted others to realize that nuclear weapon technology would soon reach the point where it could end human life on Earth. A doomsday device, more or less.[[/note]]



* InternetBackdraft: Sometimes the matter of 008's original design [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgment can cause heated fissures in discussion about it]]. One argument is that Ishinomori's intent was to use caricatured designs for him and cyborgs 006 and 005 while juxtaposing serious character portrayals to make viewers ''not'' judge them on those appearances, while others chalk the designs up to the general ValuesDissonance in early manga (also witnessed with other artists of the time).

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* InternetBackdraft: Sometimes the matter of 008's original design [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgment [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment can cause heated fissures in discussion about it]]. One argument is that Ishinomori's intent was to use caricatured designs for him and cyborgs 006 and 005 while juxtaposing serious character portrayals to make viewers ''not'' judge them on those appearances, while others chalk the designs up to the general ValuesDissonance in early manga (also witnessed with other artists of the time).



** Omega sinks below this within after two minutes of screentime in the "Cyborg X" episode of the '68 series, shocking X for his "human" thoughts.

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** Omega sinks below this within after two minutes of screentime screen-time in the "Cyborg X" episode of the '68 series, shocking X for his "human" thoughts.



** The Archaia graphic novel also garnered a pre-emptive negative reception of "Cyborg 009 ruined by Americans", due to the modernizing of the story, the feeling that Joe's design was whitewashed, and other cosmetic changes such as 002 once again becoming blond and more conventionally attractive. The fact that it compressed elements of "Birth" through "Yomi" into one story also left some fans feeling disappointed, although the novel is also well-liked by many others in spite of these issues.
* UnfortunateImplications: 008's original design, despite the very ''anti'' racist tone of the manga in itself. Toned down in later adaptations, like the 1980 movie and the 2001 series- where Pyunma looks much less caricatured. ([[http://takigawa.tumblr.com/post/21791068037/o-o-%E6%98%A0%E7%94%BB009-recyborg%E7%A5%9E%E5%B1%B1%E5%81%A5%E6%B2%BB%E7%9B%A3%E7%9D%A3-%E5%8E%9F%E4%BD%9C-%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B0009 And here is his re-design for the 2012 movie]], where he gains a BadassBeard and looks quite normal.) His 2001 design also carries over to Archaia's American graphic novel adaptation.

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** The Archaia graphic novel also garnered a pre-emptive preemptive negative reception of "Cyborg 009 ruined by Americans", due to the modernizing of the story, the feeling that Joe's design was whitewashed, and other cosmetic changes such as 002 once again becoming blond and more conventionally attractive. The fact that it compressed elements of "Birth" through "Yomi" into one story also left some fans feeling disappointed, although the novel is also well-liked by many others in spite of these issues.
* UnfortunateImplications: 008's original design, despite the very ''anti'' racist ''anti''-racist tone of the manga in itself. Toned down in later adaptations, like the 1980 movie and the 2001 series- where Pyunma looks much less caricatured. ([[http://takigawa.tumblr.com/post/21791068037/o-o-%E6%98%A0%E7%94%BB009-recyborg%E7%A5%9E%E5%B1%B1%E5%81%A5%E6%B2%BB%E7%9B%A3%E7%9D%A3-%E5%8E%9F%E4%BD%9C-%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B0009 And here is his re-design for the 2012 movie]], where he gains a BadassBeard and looks quite normal.) His 2001 design also carries over to Archaia's American graphic novel adaptation.
8th Sep '17 8:59:37 PM bt8257
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* GeniusBonus: For the '68 series (in regards to the episode with Cyborg X), [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb how dangerous a Cobalt Bomb actually is]]. It's not as explosive as an Uranium Bomb, but it's the most radioactive bomb ever conceived. It's been over '''45 Years''' and this bomb is still only hypothetical.

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* GeniusBonus: For the '68 series (in regards to the episode with Cyborg X), [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb how dangerous a Cobalt Bomb actually is]]. It's not as explosive as an Uranium Bomb, but it's the most radioactive bomb ever conceived. It's been over '''45 Years''' '''65 years''' and this bomb is still only hypothetical.hypothetical. [[note]] That was the point Leó Szilárd, the man who conceived the theory of a cobalt bomb, was trying to make; nuclear weapon technology would soon reach the point where it could end human life on Earth. A doomsday device, more or less.[[/note]]
15th Aug '17 3:31:14 AM ACW
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** ''Call of Justice '': [[BigBad Emperor]] is the mysterious leader of the [[AncientConspiracy Blessed]]. In order to [[AGodAmI evolve the human race more to his liking]], the Emperor resolves to initiate a process that will kill 95% of the human population all so he bring 5% under his control. After his initial plan fails, Emperor decides to combine his remaining powers with 001's psychic powers so he can "reset" humanity and rebuild their society from scratch. When his subordinate, Catalina, [[HeelFaceTurn betrays him]] after forming a bond with 009, Emperor punishes her by [[MindRape wiping her entire mind and reducing her down to her base instincts]]. Emperor then announces his intention to do this to all of humanity so he can reprogram them to worship him as a god. Though at first appearing to be a [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] being, the Emperor's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist true colors]] are eventually revealed to be that of a [[ItsAllAboutMe egotistical]] lunatic, who even admits that he "never really had [a heart] to begin with."

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** ''Call of Justice '': [[BigBad Emperor]] is the mysterious leader of the [[AncientConspiracy Blessed]]. In order to [[AGodAmI evolve the human race more to his liking]], the Emperor resolves to initiate a process that will kill 95% of the human population all so he bring 5% under his control. After his initial plan fails, Emperor decides to combine his remaining powers with 001's psychic powers so he can "reset" humanity and rebuild their society from scratch. When his subordinate, Catalina, [[HeelFaceTurn betrays him]] after forming a bond with 009, Emperor punishes her by [[MindRape wiping her entire mind and reducing her down to her base instincts]]. Emperor then announces his intention to do this to all of humanity so he can reprogram them to worship him as a god. Though at first appearing to be a [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] well-intentioned being, the Emperor's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist true colors]] are eventually revealed to be that of a [[ItsAllAboutMe egotistical]] lunatic, who even admits that he "never really had [a heart] to begin with."
31st Jul '17 12:01:37 AM ReddishGuy1
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* EvilIsCool: [[BigBad Skull]]. He's utterly devious, has a cool design, and in the 2001 anime, he's voiced by [[Creator/NorioWakamoto Norio freaking Wakamoto]] (or Creator/RichardEpcar in the English dub) both of whom manage to give him an incredibly [[LargeHam hammy]] and enjoyable performance.
* GatewaySeries: Most fans in America and other Western countries likely found out about ''Cyborg 009'' thanks to the 2001 anime being dubbed and aired on Creator/CartoonNetwork.



* NightmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/{{Cyborg009}} Here.]]

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* NightmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/{{Cyborg009}} Here.Plenty.]]
8th Jul '17 11:12:32 PM ReddishGuy1
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* CompleteMonster:CompleteMonster: Black Ghost ''loves'' employing morally reprehensible people.


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** Emperor does a lot of questionable things in ''Call of Justice'', but [[spoiler:wiping Catalina's entire mind down to her base instincts]] definitely crossed a line.
2nd Jul '17 12:38:38 PM ACW
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**''Call of Justice '': [[BigBad Emperor]] is the mysterious leader of the [[AncientConspiracy Blessed]]. In order to [[AGodAmI evolve the human race more to his liking]], the Emperor resolves to initiate a process that will kill 95% of the human population all so he bring 5% under his control. After his initial plan fails, Emperor decides to combine his remaining powers with 001's psychic powers so he can "reset" humanity and rebuild their society from scratch. When his subordinate, Catalina, [[HeelFaceTurn betrays him]] after forming a bond with 009, Emperor punishes her by [[MindRape wiping her entire mind and reducing her down to her base instincts]]. Emperor then announces his intention to do this to all of humanity so he can reprogram them to worship him as a god. Though at first appearing to be a [[WellIntentionedExtremist well-intentioned]] being, the Emperor's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist true colors]] are eventually revealed to be that of a [[ItsAllAboutMe egotistical]] lunatic, who even admits that he "never really had [a heart] to begin with."
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