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* JustHereForGodzilla: The scenes where Shaftoe and Root encounter submariner Bischoff and the Pacific theater WarIsHell odyssey of Goto Dengo are beloved sequences that some readers will skip past other scenes to get to.
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** With just two scenes,specifically; UsefulNotes/DouglasMacArthur, an unflappable DeadpanSnarker.DeadpanSnarker and ReasonableAuthorityFigure, absolutely steals the show.
** Several of Goto's supporting characters (such as the unnamed soldiers from Okinawa and Tokyo who brave OceanMadness with him after a shipwreck and Filipino slave laborer and ShootTheBuilder scenario survivor Bong) only appear in one chapter apiece but make much bigger impressions than many secondary characters in the {{Doorstopper}} book.
** With just two scenes,
** Several of Goto's supporting characters (such as the unnamed soldiers from Okinawa and Tokyo who brave OceanMadness with him after a shipwreck and Filipino slave laborer and ShootTheBuilder scenario survivor Bong) only appear in one chapter apiece but make much bigger impressions than many secondary characters in the {{Doorstopper}} book.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: G.E.B. Kivistik is basically a gag character, but once he's actually challenged on his statements, he stops being pretentious and points out that Internet access is a privilege not easily given to, say, the poor, and the advantages it can confer can leave large groups of society behind rapidly while granting enormous advantages to others, which depending on who you ask, has pretty much been what's happened in the ten years since the book was released. Even Stephenson, who is probably trying to load the deck, refers to Randy's defense as "an uncontrollable urge to be a prick."
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: G.E.B. Kivistik is basically a gag character, but once he's actually challenged on his statements, he stops being a stereotypical pretentious left-wing intellectual and points out that Internet access is a privilege not easily given to, say, the poor, and the advantages it can confer can leave large groups of society behind rapidly while granting enormous advantages to others, which depending others. Depending on who you ask, that has pretty much been what's happened in the ten years since the book was released. released in 1999. Even Stephenson, who is probably trying to load the deck, refers to Randy's defense as says Randy later thought his retort was motivated by "an uncontrollable urge to be a prick."prick".
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** Randy argues that he is not privileged because he had to work hard through college and read books for self-training. He doesn't seem to consider how both of those are privileges.
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** Randy argues that he is not privileged because he had to work hard through college and read books for self-training. He doesn't seem to consider how both of those are privileges.privileges (by comparison to the developing people under discussion).
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* TakeThat: G.E.B.'s Kivisticks existance was clearly intended as a reference to the post-modernist side of the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_wars science wars]].
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* TakeThat: G.E.B.'s Kivisticks existance was clearly intended as a reference to the post-modernist side of the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_wars science wars]].
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* TakeThat: G.E.B.'s Kivisticks existance was clearly intended as a reference to the post-modernist side of the then current
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*** Ironically bundled in with the changes with accidental validity is an undermining of the privilege and left behind criticisms as availability of technology increases to the point where much of what was once the third world becomes an outsourcing destination. Demonstrating the true complexity often missed by attempting to predict the future.
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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:Goto's escape from Golgotha. Swimming up a mine shaft, with occasional stops for air, with no light whatsoever, in the dark. One of them doesn't make it.]]
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** Randy argues that he is not privileged because he had to work hard through college. He doesn't seem to consider the fact that getting to go to college is itself a privilege.
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** Randy argues that he is not privileged because he had to work hard through college. college and read books for self-training. He doesn't seem to consider the fact that getting to go to college is itself a privilege.how both of those are privileges.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: G.E.B. Kivistik is basically a gag character, but once he's actually challenged on his statements, he stops being pretentious and points out that Internet access is a privilege not easily given to, say, the poor, and the advantages it can confer can leave large groups of society behind rapidly while granting enormous advantages to others, which depending on who you ask, has pretty much been what's happened in the ten years since the book was released. Even Stephenson, who is trying to load the deck, refers to Randy's defense as "an uncontrollable urge to be a prick."
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: G.E.B. Kivistik is basically a gag character, but once he's actually challenged on his statements, he stops being pretentious and points out that Internet access is a privilege not easily given to, say, the poor, and the advantages it can confer can leave large groups of society behind rapidly while granting enormous advantages to others, which depending on who you ask, has pretty much been what's happened in the ten years since the book was released. Even Stephenson, who is probably trying to load the deck, refers to Randy's defense as "an uncontrollable urge to be a prick."
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* MissingStepsPlan: Avi wants to create a secure Internet where even oppressed people are able to freely move money and information. Step one is to create an offshore data haven and cryptocurrency; the first adopters are at best extremely sketchy individuals and at worst are outright drug smugglers, organized crime figures and terrorist groups. "Geek with a scale" analogies aside, it's very unclear how Avi thinks he's going to get this system any sort of mainstream legitimacy after it's associated with this sort of activity, or how he'll avoid criminal liability for knowingly helping criminals launder money.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment -- Big Lipped Alligator ''Erotic Short Story''.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment -- BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Big Lipped Alligator ''Erotic Short Story''.
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* HoYay -- Alan Turing and Rudy. Or as Rudy put it, Alan would soon have an umlaut in him. Alan also propositioned Waterhouse, but was turned down politely.
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* SciFiGhetto — The prologue to the Spanish translation makes it clear that "science fiction" also includes "fiction about science" (i.e. cryptography and information theory). The mass market paperback edition lists the book as "fiction" instead of "science fiction." Bookstores aren't convinced, however, and stock it in the "Science Fiction" section.
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* SciFiGhetto — SciFiGhetto: The prologue to the Spanish translation makes it clear that "science fiction" also includes "fiction about science" (i.e. cryptography and information theory). The mass market paperback edition lists the book as "fiction" instead of "science fiction." Bookstores aren't convinced, however, and stock it in the "Science Fiction" section.
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* TearJerker -- TearJerker: [[spoiler:Bobby Shaftoe]]'s death.
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* TheWoobie -- Goto Dengo goes through arguably the worst the book can dish out. It helps that, unlike every other Japanese officer and soldier we meet in the book, he's not evil or holding the IdiotBall.
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* TheWoobie -- TheWoobie: Goto Dengo goes through arguably the worst the book can dish out. It helps that, unlike every other Japanese officer and soldier we meet in the book, he's not evil or holding the IdiotBall.
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** Randy argues that he is not privileged because he had to work hard through college. He doesn't seem to consider the fact that getting to go to college is itself a privilege.
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*** Randy doesn't really refute Kivistik's point either; he simply argues that his analogy is invalid because a network is not physically the same as a highway. Kivistik's 'ad hominem' attack, while smug, was in service of pointing out that Randy has lived all his life in a situation where advanced technology has always been available and can't really comprehend that the situation is different for others who have not had his advantages.
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** Kivistik said that being able to understand technical books is a privilege conferred on members of an "elite class" of technocrats. Randy pointed out that he went to a public school, a state college, and was self-trained; hardly out of reach of your average American. At no point did he ever clarify his original metaphor, and only called Randy a "technocrat" by way of ad hominem. He only described what a technocrat even was ''after'' Randy said how he gained his knowledge. By his own definition, being poor has ''nothing'' to do with whether one can understand a technical manual. People learn a lot of that stuff by going down to the ''library''.
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** Kivistik said that being able to understand technical books is a privilege conferred on members of an "elite class" of technocrats. Randy pointed out that Except for the part where he went to a public school, a state college, and was self-trained; hardly out of reach of your average American. At no point did he ever clarify his original never actually explained himself, when challenged just used another metaphor, and only called Randy a "technocrat" by way of ad hominem. He only described what a technocrat even was ''after'' Randy said how then began trying to AdHominem Randy's arguments when he gained his knowledge. By his own definition, being poor has ''nothing'' to do with whether one can understand a technical manual. People learn a lot of that stuff by going down to the ''library''.spoke up.
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** Kivistik said that being able to understand technical books is a privilege conferred on members of an "elite class" of technocrats. Randy pointed out that he went to a public school, a state college, and was self-trained; hardly out of reach of your average American. At no point did he ever clarify his original metaphor, and only called Randy a "technocrat" by way of ad hominem. He only described what a technocrat even was ''after'' Randy said how he gained his knowledge. By his own definition, being poor has ''nothing'' to do with whether one can understand a technical manual. People learn a lot of that stuff by going down to the ''library''.
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* AuthorTract: To almost Ayn Randian levels in some places, but most notable when Enoch Root becomes his mouthpiece.
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* YellowPeril -- Granted that Stephenson is fully backed up by the research in terms of the behavior of Japanese soldiers during World War II, but it is somewhat awkward to realize that Goto Dengo is the only Japanese character during the World War II sections of the book who is not, at best, holding the IdiotBall and is not, at worst, an incredibly vile human being. Implying that their culture made them that way, while arguably somewhat true, [[UnfortunateImplications really doesn't help matters.]]
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* TheWoobie -- Goto Dengo goes through arguably the worst the book can dish out. It helps that, unlike every other Japanese officer and soldier we meet in the book, he's not a CompleteMonster or holding the IdiotBall.
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* TheWoobie -- Goto Dengo goes through arguably the worst the book can dish out. It helps that, unlike every other Japanese officer and soldier we meet in the book, he's not a CompleteMonster evil or holding the IdiotBall.
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* HoYay -- Alan Turing and Rudy. Or as Rudy put it, Alan would soon have an umlaut in him. Alan also propositioned Waterhouse, but was turned down politely.
** Rudy and [[spoiler:Bischoff]], later in the book.
** Rudy and [[spoiler:Bischoff]], later in the book.
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* TearJerker -- [[{{Taelor}} ThisTroper]] dares you to read the scene where [[spoiler:Bobby Shaftoe]] dies and not tear up.
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* TearJerker -- [[{{Taelor}} ThisTroper]] dares you to read the scene where [[spoiler:Bobby Shaftoe]] dies and not tear up.Shaftoe]]'s death.
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* YellowPeril -- Granted that Stephenson is fully backed up by the research in terms of the behavior of Japanese soldiers during World War II, but it is somewhat awkward to realize that Goto Dengo is the only Japanese character during the World War II sections of the book who is not, at best, holding the IdiotBall and is not, at worst, an incredibly vile human being. Implying that their culture made them that way, while arguably somewhat true, [[UnfortunateImplications really doesn't help matters.]]]]
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* AuthorTract: To almost Ayn Randian levels in some places.places, but most notable when Enoch Root becomes his mouthpiece.
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* YellowPeril -- Granted that Stephenson is fully backed up by the research in terms of the behavior of Japanese soldiers during World War II, but it is somewhat awkward to realize that Goto Dengo is the only Japanese character during the World War II sections of the book who is not, at best, holding the IdiotBall.IdiotBall and is not, at worst, an incredibly vile human being. Implying that their culture made them that way, while arguably somewhat true, [[UnfortunateImplications really doesn't help matters.]]
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** Cantrell's explanation of his feelings towards guns arguably counts.
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** Cantrell's explanation of his feelings towards guns arguably counts.counts.
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* YellowPeril -- Granted that Stephenson is fully backed up by the research in terms of the behavior of Japanese soldiers during World War II, but it is somewhat awkward to realize that Goto Dengo is the only Japanese character during the World War II sections of the book who is not, at best, holding the IdiotBall.
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* AuthorTract: To almost Ayn Randian levels in some places.
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** Also the fact that the book occasionally stops to preach about how masturbation ruins any chance at true happiness and love. Avi never masturbates, Lawrence discovers masturbation is meaningless after he's fallen in love, and Randy doesn't wind up finding true love until he's forcibly kept from masturbating for a few months. It makes you wonder if it's just a lengthy gag or an AuthorTract on the subject.
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** What's funny is that this forces them to stock the entire Baroque Cycle in the SF section, leading to considerable confusion.
* TearJerker -- [[{{Taelor}} ThisTroper]] dares you to read the scene where [[spoiler:Bobby Shaftoe]] dies and not tearup.up.
** Cantrell's explanation of his feelings towards guns arguably counts.
* TearJerker -- [[{{Taelor}} ThisTroper]] dares you to read the scene where [[spoiler:Bobby Shaftoe]] dies and not tear
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