History YMMV / CrusaderKings

* BestKnownForTheFanservice: The Zoroastrian religion. A unique religion of a fallen empire, with fire-worshipping priests and the ability to bring its priesthood BackFromTheBrink and become a prophesied Messiah? No, as far as the fandom's concerned, it's the religion with the incest.

** The current trend of DLC expansions has players divided on how Paradox is treating previously implemented content, and if favorites are being played. The Old Gods was one such example, as discussion of favoritism being given towards the Norse due to the far greater degree of content and lack of pre-patch balance, with other pagan religions showing a far thinner amount of content. Critics have also argued the lack of post expansion attention to various mechanics, despite players demanding attention, such as the Decadence system that was implemented with the Sword of Islam expansion.
* DemonicSpiders: The Mongol Hordes. [[TheHorde Yeah]], ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. [[CurbStompBattle THEY WILL KILL YOU DEAD.]]
* EvenBetterSequel: The original game, while it had its fans, was definitely a flawed game, with a TroubledProduction and quite a lot of bugs. Crusader Kings II, on the other hand, has received by far the smoothest launch of any Paradox game to date, and received almost universal acclaim from the fans. Expansions like Sword of Islam and Legacy of Rome have only served to make it even better.

* MagnificentBastard: What the player is aiming to be.

** The first game had an Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire mod. Another mod for the second game [[http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/05/28/a-mod-of-a-game-of-thrones-crusader-kings-ii/ has been released]].

* BrokenBase: Some parts of the fandom have not taken news of ''Sunset Invasion'', a not-entirely-serious DLC focused on an AlternateHistory [[{{Mayincatec}} Aztec]] invasion of Europe, all that well.
** It also happens with the newest faces DLC. The artist changed, and a big part of the community thinks the art is worse than before. Some people (keeping up with the recent fad in the forums of making petitions for everything) are petitioning the mods to redo the facepacks. Anyway, the issue often descends into a FlameWar.
* DemonicSpiders: The Mongol Hordes. Yeah, ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin. They will KILL YOU DEAD.
* EvenBetterSequel: The original game, while it had its fans, was definitely a flawed game, with a TroubledProduction and quite a lot of bugs. Crusader Kings II, on the other hand received by the far smoothest launch of any Paradox game to date, and received almost universal acclaim from the fanbase. Expansions like Sword of Islam and Legacy of Rome have only served to make it even better.

* KarmaHoudini: A successful (villainous) player character will often be this, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance especially from a modern perspective]]. [[WouldHurtAChild You can smother infants in their cribs to steal their titles]], [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil force female prisoners to be their concubines]] (if pagan), [[FalseFriend murder trusting friends for power and land]], [[MaritalRapeLicense have children with a wife who hates you to the core]] [[TheUsurper because you killed her father for the throne]], and ''still'' die peacefully in your bed, wealthy, powerful and esteemed by your peers.

* KarmaHoudini: A successful character will often be this, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance especially from a modern perspective]]. They can [[WouldHurtAChild smother infants in their cribs to steal their titles]], [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil force female prisoners to be their concubines]] (if pagan), [[FalseFriend murder trusting friends for power]], [[MaritalRapeLicense have children with a wife who despises them]], and ''still'' die peacefully in their beds, wealthy and powerful.

** The first game had an ASongOfIceAndFire mod. Another mod for the sequel [[http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/05/28/a-mod-of-a-game-of-thrones-crusader-kings-ii/ has been recently released]].

* HolyShitQuotient: If [[http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?736028-From-Holy-Kingdom-to-Unholy-nightmare-Why-this-is-the-best-DLC-yet&s=34329792796db8c9cfc52de3b11d796f "From Holy Kingdom to Unholy Nightmare"]] is any indication, ''Sons of Abraham'' is this for the second game. [[spoiler: Having your children and heirs to your realms become the spawn of ''Satan'' will do that for anyone.]]

** They also found out that the demo doesn't end twenty years later but specifically in 1086 and that if you set the start date at 0AD you could get 1086 years of playtime out of the demo.

* KarmaHoudini: A successful character will often be this, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance especially from a modern perspective]]. They can [[WouldHurtAChild smother children in their beds to steal their titles]], [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil force female prisoners to be their concubines]] (if pagan), [[FalseFriend murder trusting friends for power]], [[MaritalRapeLicense have children with a wife who despises them]], and ''still'' die peacefully in their beds, wealthy and powerful.

* KarmaHoudini: A successful character will often be this. They can [[WouldHurtAChild smother children in their beds to steal their titles]], [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil force female prisoners to be their concubines]] (if pagan), [[FalseFriend murder trusting friends for power]], [[MaritalRapeLicense have children with a wife who despises them]], and ''still'' die peacefully in their beds, wealthy and powerful.

** They also found out that the demo doesnt end twenty years later but specifically in 1086 and that if you set the start date at 0AD you could get 1086 years of playtime out of the demo.

** This one is very sad, and very appropriate for the time period. Did you ever notice, out of all the marriages that are contracted throughout the time period, [[Tearjerker how few wives and husbands love each other?]]

** It also happens with the newest faces DLC. The artist changed, and a big part of the community thinks the art is badder. Some people (keeping up with the recent fad in the forums of making petitions for everything) are petitioning the mods to redo the facepacks. Anyway, the issue often descends into a FlameWar.

* {{Ruined FOREVER}}: A rather vocal portion of the fanbase has declared this over news of ''Sunset Invasion''.

* {{RuinedFOREVER}}: A rather vocal portion of the fanbase has declared this over news of ''Sunset Invasion''.

** The first game had an ASongOfIceAndFire mod. Planning has already begun for one to the sequel.

* SpiritualLicensee: A [[http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/02/23/wot-i-think-crusader-kings-ii/#more-95722 Rock Paper Shotgun review]] of the second game calls it "the best ''Series/GameOfThrones'' game you will probably ever play."

* GoodBadBugs: The demo for the sequel restricted play to only four characters. However, almost imminently players found out they could play whichever character they wanted by picking a character from the demo list, then quickly clicking on a province on the map before the game loads - and play as the ruler of said province. This is still true in the finished game.

* MagnificentBastard: What the player is aiming to be.

* JustOneMoreTurn: It's a ParadoxInteractive game.