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** Psyche. Her love story with Cupid is only a fifth of the original novel's length but is the best remembered portion and has been depicted in many work while inspired tons of romance story, most notably Literature/BeautyAndTheBeast. The fact that they are one of the few HappilyMarried couples doesn't hurt.
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** The myth of how Cassandra receives her curse has many different version, all of which paints Apollo in different light: She either cheats on him, takes his gift of prophecy during his advance on her and then blew him off (both of which makes his curse excessive but understandable), or she left her service as his priestess after receiving the gift of prophecy (which paints him as petty).
24th Jul '17 1:55:55 PM GlitteringFlowers
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** Athena did not punish Medusa. She turned her to a monster to exact revenge on all men. (Which is egregious since she's a DaddysGirl compared with other daughters of Zeus)

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** Athena did not punish Medusa. She Athena's punishment of Medusa in Ovid's version of her myth. For some, she turned her to a monster to exact revenge on all men. (Which is egregious since she's a DaddysGirl compared with other daughters of Zeus)Zeus). For others, she simply did it because she couldn't punish Poseidon for desecrating her temple, so she went for the nearest target instead.



** The story of Arachne has multiple endings, each of which paints Athena in a different light. In some Arachne lost and committed suicide, causing Athena to make her a spider in respect (making Athena look gentle and loving), or Athena turned her into a spider just for losing (making her look proud and unforgiving). Or in some versions ''Athena'' was the one who lost the contest and killed Arachne in a rage over it, making her a spider afterward as a way of apologizing (which makes Athena look spiteful and petty, prone to throw fits and then regret her reckless actions).

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** The story of Arachne has multiple endings, each of which paints Athena in a different light. In some Arachne lost and committed suicide, causing Athena to make her a spider in respect (making Athena look gentle and loving), or Athena turned her into a spider just for losing (making her look proud and unforgiving). Or in some versions ''Athena'' was the one who lost the contest and killed Arachne in a rage over it, making her a spider afterward as a way of apologizing (which makes Athena look spiteful and petty, HotBlooded, prone to throw fits and then regret her reckless actions).
24th Jul '17 1:53:11 PM GlitteringFlowers
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** Either Persephone was tricked into eating pomegranate seeds so that she'd have to split her time, she chose to eat them so she could stay with Hades and just claimed she was tricked in order to get MyBelovedSmother off her back, or she ''never'' claimed to have been tricked and instead refused to eat them until Hades gave her the power she needed/wanted in their marriage. Some versions of the story indicate that Persephone was equally attracted to Hades [[PowerIsSexy for his power]] and knew what she was doing when she plucked the flower that brought on her abduction and ''specially'' when she ate the seeds (because she perfectly knew what eating them meant, and wanted to split her time to get benefits from both sides). Others state that the "abduction" was just the final part of a BatmanGambit from ''both'' Hades and Persephone so they would be able to get married without interference (since Zeus had meddled in their previous meetings).

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** Either Persephone was tricked into eating pomegranate seeds so that she'd have to split her time, she chose to eat them so she could stay with Hades and just claimed she was tricked in order to get MyBelovedSmother off her back, or she ''never'' claimed to have been tricked and instead refused to eat them until Hades gave her the power she needed/wanted in their marriage. Some versions of the story indicate that Persephone was equally attracted to Hades [[PowerIsSexy for his power]] and knew what she was doing when she plucked the flower that brought on her abduction and ''specially'' when she ate the seeds (because she perfectly knew what eating them meant, [[PlayingBothSides and wanted to split her time to get benefits from both sides).her husband and her mom]]). Others state that the "abduction" was just the final part of a BatmanGambit from ''both'' Hades and Persephone so they would be able to get married without interference (since Zeus had meddled in their previous meetings).
18th Jul '17 6:14:40 PM TristanJeremiah
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* MemeticMolester: ''Zeus''. There's a reason he's the page image for DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal. Notably, though, most depictions of him leave out such things as Ganymede...even if [[VideoGame/GodOfWar those works]] which depict him without his bisexuality will [[DoubleStandard happily show]] [[GirlOnGirlIsHot female-on-female action.]]

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* MemeticMolester: ''Zeus''. There's a reason he's the page image for DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal. Notably, though, most depictions of him leave out such things as Ganymede...even if [[VideoGame/GodOfWar those works]] which depict him without his bisexuality [[DepravedBisexual bisexuality]] will [[DoubleStandard happily show]] [[GirlOnGirlIsHot female-on-female action.]]
5th Jul '17 2:47:46 PM PrincessGwen
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** The story of Arachne has multiple endings, each of which paints Athena in a different light. In some Arachne lost and committed suicide, causing Athena to make her a spider in respect (making Athena look gentle and loving), or Athena turned her into a spider just for losing (making her look proud and unforgiving). Or in some versions ''Athena'' was the one who lost the contest and killed Arache in a rage over it, making her a spider afterward as a way of apologizing (which makes Athena look spiteful and petty, prone to throw fits and then regret her reckless actions).

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** The story of Arachne has multiple endings, each of which paints Athena in a different light. In some Arachne lost and committed suicide, causing Athena to make her a spider in respect (making Athena look gentle and loving), or Athena turned her into a spider just for losing (making her look proud and unforgiving). Or in some versions ''Athena'' was the one who lost the contest and killed Arache Arachne in a rage over it, making her a spider afterward as a way of apologizing (which makes Athena look spiteful and petty, prone to throw fits and then regret her reckless actions).



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Can be this for modern audience. Since many hero have [[DesignatedHero questionable behavior]] and very few of them get an happy ending.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Can be this for modern audience. Since many hero have [[DesignatedHero questionable behavior]] and very few of them get an a happy ending.



* {{Misblamed}}: Some stories depict that Aphrodite took her wrath to anyone who was claimed to be [[TheWorfEffect more beautiful than her]], and even said that she was the one who turned Medusa into a Gorgon because she's more beautiful than Aphrodite, or she was the one Cassiopeia boasted Andromeda on in terms of beauty, causing her to request Poseidon to demand Andromeda's sacrifice. The more believed versions was that Aphrodite has no business within these territories, she only did those jealousy things on Psyche; Medusa either became a gorgon because Poseidon raped her in Athena's temple which incited Athena's wrath or was a monster from the very beginning, whereas Cassiopeia boasted that Andromeda was more beautiful than ''the Nereids'', beautiful creatures of the sea, which was taken as an insult by ''Poseidon''. There were also several women considered most beautiful/on equal/better than Aphrodite, and she didn't go on a jealous rage: Helen of Troy (in which she even approves and uses to persuade Paris in Trojan War) and Heracles' mother Alcmene.

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* {{Misblamed}}: Some stories depict that Aphrodite took her wrath to anyone who was claimed to be [[TheWorfEffect more beautiful than her]], and even said that she was the one who turned Medusa into a Gorgon because she's more beautiful than Aphrodite, or she was the one Cassiopeia boasted Andromeda on in terms of beauty, causing her to request Poseidon to demand Andromeda's sacrifice. The more believed versions was that Aphrodite has no business within these territories, she only did those jealousy things on Psyche; Medusa either became a gorgon because Poseidon raped her in Athena's temple which incited Athena's wrath or was a monster from the very beginning, whereas Cassiopeia boasted that Andromeda was more beautiful than ''the Nereids'', beautiful creatures of the sea, which was taken as an insult by ''Poseidon''. There were also several women considered most beautiful/on equal/better than Aphrodite, and she didn't go on a jealous rage: Helen of Troy (in which she even approves and uses to persuade Paris in the Trojan War) and Heracles' mother Alcmene.



* ScienceMarchesOn: Zeus was described as giving birth to Athena "by himself" because many Greeks believed that women didn't contribute to child development beyond holding the man's seed. Thus Metis proved Zeus's body was just as good after he ate her, passing on the whole embryo development process to him and using the time to forge Athena's armor, her pounding causing headaches that eventually lead to his head being split open. To a modern audience, though, nothing is really proved because we know sperm needs to meet an egg.

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* ScienceMarchesOn: Zeus was described as giving birth to Athena "by himself" because many Greeks believed that women didn't contribute to child development beyond holding the man's seed. Thus Metis proved Zeus's body was just as good after he ate her, passing on the whole embryo development process to him and using the time to forge Athena's armor, her pounding causing headaches that eventually lead led to his head being split open. To a modern audience, though, nothing is really proved because we know sperm needs to meet an egg.



* TheScrappy: The Romans were both much more fond of Ares (as his local {{Expy}}) then the Greeks were (the Greeks tended to favor the strategic war goddess Athena over Ares). On the ''other'' other hand, modern media seems to be learning enough from SadlyMythtaken portrayals to have Ares as the GodOfEvil rather than [[DarkIsNotEvil Hades]]. Properly speaking, if you're looking for a Greek god of evil you won't find one: however; there are Kakia (vice), Hubris (see above), Dyssebia (impiety), Dysnomia (anarchy or political corruption, the correct interpretation is not known), Koros (greed and a rare male example of good or evil), Ate (foolishness) and others.

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* TheScrappy: The Romans were both much more fond of Ares (as his local {{Expy}}) then than the Greeks were (the Greeks tended to favor the strategic war goddess Athena over Ares). On the ''other'' other hand, modern media seems to be learning enough from SadlyMythtaken portrayals to have Ares as the GodOfEvil rather than [[DarkIsNotEvil Hades]]. Properly speaking, if you're looking for a Greek god of evil you won't find one: however; there are Kakia (vice), Hubris (see above), Dyssebia (impiety), Dysnomia (anarchy or political corruption, the correct interpretation is not known), Koros (greed and a rare male example of good or evil), Ate (foolishness) and others.
9th Jun '17 6:53:29 PM DeliciousFart
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ancient Greeks never intended for Ares, Hades, or Hephaestus to be sympathetic - they never even really liked them. Although it was more [[AxCrazy justifiable]] in Ares' case, Hades was hated by the Greeks because [[EnemiesWithDeath they feared death]], and Hephaestus was loathed because he was an ugly cripple. To modern audiences, however, Hades and Hephaestus are often viewed as [[NiceGuy the nicest]] of the Greek Gods, while the gods the Greeks adored, such as Zeus and Hera, often come across as JerkassGods at best or [[GodIsEvil tyrants at worst]]. Ares, on the other hand, was adored by the militaristic Romans conflated him with Mars - he got a [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade Mythological Hero Upgrade]]. Certainly the fact that classical mythology attributing Ares (who the Romans associate with Mars) as helping found Rome had a lot to do with it.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ancient Greeks never intended for Ares, Hades, or Hephaestus to be sympathetic - they never even really liked them. Although it was more [[AxCrazy justifiable]] in Ares' case, Hades was hated by the Greeks because [[EnemiesWithDeath they feared death]], and Hephaestus was loathed because he was an ugly cripple. To modern audiences, however, Hades and Hephaestus are often viewed as [[NiceGuy the nicest]] of the Greek Gods, while the gods the Greeks adored, such as Zeus and Hera, often come across as JerkassGods at best or [[GodIsEvil tyrants at worst]]. Ares, on the other hand, was adored by the militaristic Romans (and possibly Spartans, though archaeological evidence show rather few temples devoted to him in Sparta) conflated him with Mars - he got a [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade Mythological Hero Upgrade]]. Certainly the fact that classical mythology attributing Ares (who the Romans associate with Mars) as helping found Rome had a lot to do with it.
9th Jun '17 6:42:03 PM DeliciousFart
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Ares doesn't get much respect for his savage nature. As Mars, the Romans thought he was hardcore. Though that may be a little bit of CrazyPrepared. A city at war as often as Rome might prefer to have his favor after all. And after all one could argue that [[TheEmpire Mars was grateful]] to Rome.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Ares doesn't get much respect for his savage nature. As Mars, the Romans thought he was hardcore.hardcore, with his barbaric side toned down via HistoricalHeroUpgrade. Though that may be a little bit of CrazyPrepared. A city at war as often as Rome might prefer to have his favor after all. And after all one could argue that [[TheEmpire Mars was grateful]] to Rome.



** Unsurprisingly, Athens takes great pride in proclaiming to be the patron goddess of Athena. The vast majority of Greek myth we have comes from the Athenians, and they saw themselves as the embodiment of her (goddess of--[[ComboPlatterPowers among other things]]--defensive/just war and strategy).

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** Unsurprisingly, Athens takes great pride in proclaiming Athena to be the patron goddess of Athena.goddess. The vast majority of Greek myth we have comes from the Athenians, and they saw themselves as the embodiment of her (goddess of--[[ComboPlatterPowers among other things]]--defensive/just war and strategy).
9th Jun '17 6:38:51 PM DeliciousFart
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* TheScrappy: The Spartans and the Romans were both much more fond of Ares (or his local {{Expy}}) then the Greeks were (the Greeks tended to favor the strategic war goddess Athena over Ares). On the ''other'' other hand, modern media seems to be learning enough from SadlyMythtaken portrayals to have Ares as the GodOfEvil rather than [[DarkIsNotEvil Hades]]. Properly speaking, if you're looking for a Greek god of evil you won't find one: however; there are Kakia (vice), Hubris (see above), Dyssebia (impiety), Dysnomia (anarchy or political corruption, the correct interpretation is not known), Koros (greed and a rare male example of good or evil), Ate (foolishness) and others.

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* TheScrappy: The Spartans and the Romans were both much more fond of Ares (or (as his local {{Expy}}) then the Greeks were (the Greeks tended to favor the strategic war goddess Athena over Ares). On the ''other'' other hand, modern media seems to be learning enough from SadlyMythtaken portrayals to have Ares as the GodOfEvil rather than [[DarkIsNotEvil Hades]]. Properly speaking, if you're looking for a Greek god of evil you won't find one: however; there are Kakia (vice), Hubris (see above), Dyssebia (impiety), Dysnomia (anarchy or political corruption, the correct interpretation is not known), Koros (greed and a rare male example of good or evil), Ate (foolishness) and others.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ancient Greeks never intended for Ares, Hades, or Hephaestus to be sympathetic - they never even really liked them. Although it was more [[AxCrazy justifiable]] in Ares' case, Hades was hated by the Greeks because [[EnemiesWithDeath they feared death]], and Hephaestus was loathed because he was an ugly cripple. To modern audiences, however, Hades and Hephaestus are often viewed as [[NiceGuy the nicest]] of the Greek Gods, while the gods the Greeks adored, such as Zeus and Hera, often come across as JerkassGods at best or [[GodIsEvil tyrants at worst]]. Ares, on the other hand, was adored by the Spartans, and the militaristic Romans conflated him with Mars - he got a [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade Mythological Hero Upgrade]].

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: The ancient Greeks never intended for Ares, Hades, or Hephaestus to be sympathetic - they never even really liked them. Although it was more [[AxCrazy justifiable]] in Ares' case, Hades was hated by the Greeks because [[EnemiesWithDeath they feared death]], and Hephaestus was loathed because he was an ugly cripple. To modern audiences, however, Hades and Hephaestus are often viewed as [[NiceGuy the nicest]] of the Greek Gods, while the gods the Greeks adored, such as Zeus and Hera, often come across as JerkassGods at best or [[GodIsEvil tyrants at worst]]. Ares, on the other hand, was adored by the Spartans, and the militaristic Romans conflated him with Mars - he got a [[HistoricalHeroUpgrade Mythological Hero Upgrade]].Upgrade]]. Certainly the fact that classical mythology attributing Ares (who the Romans associate with Mars) as helping found Rome had a lot to do with it.
9th Jun '17 6:36:03 PM DeliciousFart
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** For that matter, the Spartans loved Ares and considered him their patron. We get stories of him as TheScrappy because the vast majority of Greek myth we have comes from the Athenians, and he was the rival of their primary patron, Athena (goddess of--[[ComboPlatterPowers among other things]]--defensive/just war and strategy).

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** For that matter, even the Spartans loved Ares and considered him worshiped Athena more than Ares, despite the former being the patron goddess of their patron. We get stories main rival. Archaeological evidence of him Sparta shows that there are three times as TheScrappy because many temples dedicated to Athena compared to Ares.
** Unsurprisingly, Athens takes great pride in proclaiming to be
the patron goddess of Athena. The vast majority of Greek myth we have comes from the Athenians, and he was they saw themselves as the rival embodiment of their primary patron, Athena her (goddess of--[[ComboPlatterPowers among other things]]--defensive/just war and strategy).
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