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** Likewise fans assumed that Piper's unnamed third child in the finale is named Melinda - after the daughter that she had in the alternate future in "Morality Bites". This is ignoring that when Wyatt was thought to be a girl, Piper mentions that she was planning to name the daughter after Prue. This eventually became AscendedFanon in the comics where the child is named Melinda.
** Despite the fact that a Resistance is never even mentioned, fans often have Chris be the creator and leader of a Resistance again Wyatt in the unchanged future.

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** Likewise fans assumed that Piper's unnamed third child in the finale is named Melinda - after the daughter that she had in the alternate future in "Morality Bites". This is ignoring usually ignores that when Wyatt was thought to be a girl, Piper mentions that she was planning to name the daughter after Prue.Prue, though the fact is sometimes accounted for by calling her ''Prudence'' Melinda. This eventually became AscendedFanon in the comics where the child is named Melinda.
** Despite the fact that a Resistance no LaResistance is never ever even mentioned, fans often have Chris be the creator and leader of a Resistance resistance again Wyatt in the unchanged future.



** Phoebe and Cole, due to the LoveRedeems nature of it - and Julian [=McMahon=] really making Cole into quite TheWoobie.

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** Phoebe and Cole, due to the LoveRedeems nature of it - and Julian [=McMahon=] really making Cole into quite TheWoobie.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Cole Turner is this. This is mostly due to the actor being Julian [=McMahon=] who greatly [[MrFanservice appeals to the predominantly female audience]], but even without that his story is a fairly good cause. He spent most of his life working for the forces of evil but [[HeelFaceTurn became good]] because he [[ThePowerOfLove fell in love]] with Phoebe Halliwell. After a [[EarnYourHappyEnding great deal of work]], he became a normal human. Which in itself may have been his biggest mistake because [[BadassDecay following that point he lost total control of his house of cards]]. He ended up being possessed by the Source of all Evil and the Charmed Ones had to vanquish him. (After [[IdiotBall Phoebe killed a wizard]] who could have taken the Source's power from Cole.) After he came back, the sisters just [[HeelFaceDoorSlam flat out dismissed him as evil]] and didn't trust him from the start. They didn't even bother finding out if he was possessed by evil by an entity that had possessed humans before (even though said wizard and Cole's assistant had practically told them as much). Cole tried over and over again to prove that he was good until he [[AxCrazy snapped]] and became evil [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor again]] (although, to be fair, he has killed several humans and gotten seduced by a siren into almost killing Phoebe). This caused a lot of Phoebe fans to hate Phoebe and feel sympathetic to Cole. Further made worse in retrospect when one realized Cole never would have been infected by The Source if he didn't have to take his powers to save the sisters who were going to be killed, and was only evil due to the source controlling him. And how many times they get to choose between good and evil and have evil actions reversed after becoming good again, but Cole is somehow irredeemable.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Cole Turner is this. This is mostly due to the actor being Julian [=McMahon=] who greatly [[MrFanservice appeals to the predominantly female audience]], but even without that his story is a fairly good cause. He spent most of his life working for the forces of evil but [[HeelFaceTurn became good]] because he [[ThePowerOfLove fell in love]] with Phoebe Halliwell. After a [[EarnYourHappyEnding great deal of work]], he became a normal human. Which in itself may have been his biggest mistake because [[BadassDecay following that point he lost total control of his house of cards]]. He ended up being possessed corrupted by the powers of the Source of all All Evil and the Charmed Ones had to vanquish him. (After [[IdiotBall Phoebe killed a wizard]] who could have taken the Source's power from Cole.) After he came back, the sisters just [[HeelFaceDoorSlam flat out dismissed him as evil]] and didn't trust him from the start. They didn't even bother finding out if he was possessed influenced by evil by from an entity that had possessed humans before (even though said wizard and Cole's assistant had practically told them as much). Cole tried over and over again to prove that he was good until he [[AxCrazy snapped]] and became evil [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor again]] (although, to be fair, he has killed several humans and gotten seduced by a siren into almost killing Phoebe). This caused a lot of Phoebe fans to hate Phoebe and feel sympathetic to Cole. Further made worse in retrospect when one realized Cole never would have been infected by The Source if he didn't have to take his powers to save the sisters who were going to be killed, and was only evil due to the source controlling him. And how many times they get to choose between good and evil and have evil actions reversed after becoming good again, but Cole is somehow irredeemable.

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* GirlShowGhetto: Broke out of it, despite executives worrying. Even with all the excessive {{Fanservice}} to draw in male viewers, the show was a ratings hit and lasted for eight seasons. It was even the longest running TV show with female leads until ''Series/DesperateHousewives'' broke its record.



* MemeticMutation: Prue's "they think we're the demons now" is one of the most remembered quotes from the show.



* TestosteroneBrigade: As ''Magazine/{{MAD}}'' pointed out, ''Charmed'' is a show about witches starring Alyssa Milano and two other hot chicks as sisters.

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* TestosteroneBrigade: As ''Magazine/{{MAD}}'' pointed out, ''Charmed'' is a show about witches starring Alyssa Milano and two other hot chicks as sisters. The vampy outfits, fantasy plots and action-packed nature attracted copious amounts of male viewers.
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** The Charmed comics definitely fall under here. Some people like them for continuing the series, bringing back old characters, and re-establishing the Charmed Ones as the most powerful witches. Others, however, dislike them for the treatment of old characters, the fact that they've used Shannen Doherty's likeness against her wishes, the fact that they whitewashed Darryl Morris, and the way they've twisted Charmed canon.


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** The half-manticore from the season six episode "Little Monsters" is ridiculously popular, considering that he was a oneshot character, a baby, and didn't even have a name. He often is depicted as the next generation of Halliwell's best friend.
** To a lesser extent, Bianca could count. She only showed up in one episode, but is an often remembered character in certain circles.


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** Despite the fact that a Resistance is never even mentioned, fans often have Chris be the creator and leader of a Resistance again Wyatt in the unchanged future.
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** A Season 6 episode has a subplot where Paige needs to help a co-worker expose a sexually harassing boss. Years later, Rose [=McGowan=] came out to say she had been sexually abused on ''Film/TheDoomGeneration'' and raped at one point.
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: A slightly weird one. In Season 8 Paige glamours herself into Janice Dickinson to publicly cry at her fake funeral. When the press were trying to discredit Janice Dickinson for accusing Bill Cosby of raping her, Rose [=McGowan=] publicly came to her defence.
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** The infamous feud between Shannon Doherty and Alyssa Milano still causes heated debates among ''Charmed'' fans to this day, despite the fact that the two actresses seem to be at peace with one another now.

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** The infamous feud between Shannon Doherty Creator/ShannonDoherty and Alyssa Milano still causes heated debates among ''Charmed'' fans to this day, despite the fact that the two actresses seem to be at peace with one another now.



** If you go on a ''Charmed'' forum and bring up which actress you believe was in the wrong during the whole Alyssa Milano[=/=]Shannen Doherty feud, you'd better have a hose with you to put out all the flames you're going to cause...

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** If you go on a ''Charmed'' forum and bring up which actress you believe was in the wrong during the whole Alyssa Milano[=/=]Shannen Doherty Milano[=/=]Creator/ShannenDoherty feud, you'd better have a hose with you to put out all the flames you're going to cause...
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*** Paige's appearance in the fourth season is that of RavenHairIvorySkin and as noted on the main page, her BloodKnight tendencies have earned her the FanNickname "Raige" on the TelevisionWithoutPity recaps. Fast forward to 2012 where we have a WWE Diva named Wrestling/{{Paige}} with black hair and pale skin, known for being violent and aggressive. Slight bonus to that one: in Chris's first appearance he makes the comment of "Stone Cold Paige", in reference to her being frozen by the Titans. WWE's Paige was a guest on the podcast of wrestling legend Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin where she openly admitted to being inspired by Austin.

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*** Paige's appearance in the fourth season is that of RavenHairIvorySkin and as noted on the main page, her BloodKnight tendencies have earned her the FanNickname "Raige" on the TelevisionWithoutPity Website/TelevisionWithoutPity recaps. Fast forward to 2012 where we have a WWE Diva named Wrestling/{{Paige}} with black hair and pale skin, known for being violent and aggressive. Slight bonus to that one: in Chris's first appearance he makes the comment of "Stone Cold Paige", in reference to her being frozen by the Titans. WWE's Paige was a guest on the podcast of wrestling legend Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin where she openly admitted to being inspired by Austin.
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* SnarkBait: Read the TelevisionWithoutPity recaps, particularly from Season 5 onwards.

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* SnarkBait: Read the TelevisionWithoutPity Website/TelevisionWithoutPity recaps, particularly from Season 5 onwards.
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** In Season 8, the Cleaners couldn't help the sisters with the reporters accosting them due too much time having passed and because the sisters have "burned that bridge." This not implies that there was a previously unmentioned time limit in which the Cleaners could act but it also means that they let their dislike of the sisters overshadow their duty to protect the magical world from exposure at any cost.

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** In Season 8, the Cleaners couldn't help the sisters with the reporters accosting them due too much time having passed and because the sisters have "burned that bridge." This not only implies that there was a previously unmentioned time limit in which the Cleaners could act but it also means that they let their dislike of the sisters overshadow their duty to protect the magical world from exposure at any cost.
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** Phoebe is frequently accused of this in Seasons 5-7 - particularly Cole undergoing CharacterDerailment to frame Phoebe's actions as being in the right. The other seasons also give her priority in the storylines. One of the things fans find positive about Season 8 is that this levels off.

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** Phoebe is frequently accused of this in Seasons 5-7 - particularly Cole undergoing CharacterDerailment to frame Phoebe's actions as being in the right.5-7. The other seasons also give her priority in the storylines. One of the things fans find positive about Season 8 is that this levels off.

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** The Aesop of "Morality Bites" - is it CantGetAwayWithNuthin and ridiculously anvilicious? Or is it SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped?



* EvilIsSexy: Well, Evil tends to have more revealing outfits, anyway. And apparently there exists a ''Demonic Strip Club''.

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* EvilIsSexy: Well, Evil tends to have more revealing outfits, anyway. And apparently there exists a ''Demonic Strip Club''. An EvilCostumeSwitch usually involves HotterAndSexier clothing.



** The groom-to-be in "The Wedding from Hell" was named [[Series/{{Leverage}} Elliot Spencer.]] For additional hilarity, an episode of Leverage focused on the main cast's efforts to crash a wedding, just as this one did.

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** The groom-to-be in "The Wedding from Hell" was named [[Series/{{Leverage}} Elliot Spencer.]] For additional hilarity, an episode of Leverage ''Leverage'' focused on the main cast's efforts to crash a wedding, just as this one did.

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%%** Brendan Rowe, warlock who wants to turn good. Handsome Anglo boy...until he gets his GameFace on and then he looks like an anti-Semitic caricature. Also, he's the most Anglo-looking character out of the Rowe brothers, and he's the only one who lives and turns good. There's more than that, and not just in this episode, although it does take the cake. There's the moment where Prue sees Brandon change and realizes he's evil, because only BeautyEqualsGoodness; there's the idea of three women being good and supposed to fight three evil men, which is tacky in itself. Then, there's the thing where becoming a priest somehow magically protects from all evil, which begs the questions: a) what is a ''woman'' who wants to be protected supposed to do, b) what if the priest is hypocritical in his ways, and c) what of other faiths? (Later on, we see a witch who is also Buddhist, and she says something that amounts to her faith making her stronger. The MonsterOfTheWeek promptly shows her she's wrong and kills her.) Prue even wears a cross around her neck in this episode, for no apparent reason other than the blatantly-Christian theme. In the second episode Piper takes the fact that she could walk into a church and was not struck by lightning as proof that she's good, as if ethics, morality and just plain thinking didn't exist. Plus the ''black'' pastor who can only think inside a fundamentalist box. All these probably stem from the LowestCosmicDenominator, but they still stand out.
%%** In a later episode, an ugly demon who switches bodies with Phoebe to become beautiful also evokes the anti-Semitic stereotype with her huge nose and thick eyebrows.
%%** How many episodes focus on the sisters' attempts at balancing saving people with dating?
%%** The term "warlock" going from "male witch" to "evil witch who kills other witches for their powers". This was somewhat offset by there being plenty of female warlocks.
%%** Almost any male character with an offensive power is either evil, [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope on the way to become evil]], at risk to become evil, morally ambiguous, a JerkassGod or [[ChildrenAreInnocent hasn't hit puberty]]. If he doesn't [[TooPowerfulToLive die]] he will [[BadassDecay lose his powers]].

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The eighth season greatly toned down the skimpiness of the sisters' everyday clothing, by protest of the three actresses.



** Prue - kickass and badass feminist icon that stands up for what she believes in? Or a massive {{hypocrite}}?

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** Prue - kickass and badass feminist icon that stands up for what she believes in? Or a massive {{hypocrite}}?{{hypocrite}} who is too powerful and a blatant WishFulfillment character?



** Phoebe (most in later seasons) - broken cutie that's finally had enough and just wants to find happiness? Or CreatorsPet that has forgotten her true destiny and become the very thing she feared against in "Morality Bites"?

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** Phoebe (most (mostly in later seasons) - broken cutie that's finally had enough and just wants to find happiness? Or CreatorsPet that has forgotten her true destiny and become the very thing she feared against in "Morality Bites"?



* BrokenBase: The infamous feud between Shannon Doherty and Alyssa Milano still causes heated debates among ''Charmed'' fans to this day, despite the fact that the two actresses seem to be at peace with one another now.

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The infamous feud between Shannon Doherty and Alyssa Milano still causes heated debates among ''Charmed'' fans to this day, despite the fact that the two actresses seem to be at peace with one another now.now.
** And for that matter, which era is better? The Prue years or the Paige years? A lot of it can depend on when someone first started watching the series. Living TV in the UK originally could only air Seasons 4-8 for ages due to the same rights issues that prolonged the first three seasons coming out on DVD.



* CreatorsPet: Billie in Season 8 was widely disliked for this reason. The network had demanded a new YoungerAndHipper character that could star in a potential spin-off. Billie was unfortunately viewed as having a combination of all the negative characteristics of the Halliwells - and a plot about her and her long lost sister took prime focus over the actual protagonists of the show. Not helping matters was the fact that two series regulars had to be PutOnABus to accommodate her, and Kayley Cuoco not being up to the melodrama of the role.

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Billie in Season 8 was widely disliked for this reason. The network had demanded a new YoungerAndHipper character that could star in a potential spin-off. Billie was unfortunately viewed as having a combination of all the negative characteristics of the Halliwells - and a plot about her and her long lost sister took prime focus over the actual protagonists of the show. Not helping matters was the fact that two series regulars had to be PutOnABus to accommodate her, and Kayley Cuoco not being up to the melodrama of the role.role.
** Phoebe is frequently accused of this in Seasons 5-7 - particularly Cole undergoing CharacterDerailment to frame Phoebe's actions as being in the right. The other seasons also give her priority in the storylines. One of the things fans find positive about Season 8 is that this levels off.



* DieForOurShip: Dan, Dan, ''Dan''.

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* DieForOurShip: Dan, Dan, ''Dan''.Dan is widely disliked because he existed as an obstacle preventing Piper from getting together with Leo.



* EndingFatigue: The Cole story arc, especially in Season 5.



*** Paige's appearance in the fourth season is that of RavenHairIvorySkin and as noted on the main page, her BloodKnight tendencies have earned her the FanNickname "Raige" on the TelevisionWithoutPity recaps. Fast forward to 2012 where we have a WWE Diva named Wrestling/{{Paige}} with black hair and pale skin, known for being violent and aggressive.
*** Slight bonus to that one: in Chris's first appearance he makes the comment of "Stone Cold Paige", in reference to her being frozen by the Titans. WWE's Paige was recently a guest on the podcast of wrestling legend Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin where she openly admitted to being inspired by Austin.

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*** Paige's appearance in the fourth season is that of RavenHairIvorySkin and as noted on the main page, her BloodKnight tendencies have earned her the FanNickname "Raige" on the TelevisionWithoutPity recaps. Fast forward to 2012 where we have a WWE Diva named Wrestling/{{Paige}} with black hair and pale skin, known for being violent and aggressive.
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aggressive. Slight bonus to that one: in Chris's first appearance he makes the comment of "Stone Cold Paige", in reference to her being frozen by the Titans. WWE's Paige was recently a guest on the podcast of wrestling legend Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin where she openly admitted to being inspired by Austin.



** Wyatt has near-godlike powers and Piper constantly goes on about how she wants to give her kids a normal life. Yet she absolutely ''refuses'' to bind his powers, even though they could easily give them back to him once he's older, when he'd be able to control them better. It becomes ''especially'' ridiculous after the Dragon incident, where numerous people ''must'' [[InferredHolocaust have been killed]] as it rampaged across San Francisco.
*** Another layer of idiocy is added to this considering that an earlier episode had Piper meet a pre-pubescent boy who hated having [[KillItWithFire uncontrollable magic powers]]. The episode ended with her binding his powers for him, then concluding that Grams had done the right thing by binding their powers, giving them (in ''her own words'') "the gift of a normal childhood- the gift of innocence". [[spoiler:Plus, Gideon probably wouldn't have come to the conclusion that Wyatt needed to die for the greater good if not for incidents like the aforementioned Dragon summoning]].

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** Wyatt has near-godlike powers and Piper constantly goes on about how she wants to give her kids a normal life. Yet she absolutely ''refuses'' to bind his powers, even though they could easily give them back to him once he's older, when he'd be able to control them better. It becomes ''especially'' ridiculous after the Dragon incident, where numerous people ''must'' [[InferredHolocaust have been killed]] as it rampaged across San Francisco.
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Francisco. Another layer of idiocy is added to this considering that an earlier episode had Piper meet a pre-pubescent boy who hated having [[KillItWithFire uncontrollable magic powers]]. The episode ended with her binding his powers for him, then concluding that Grams had done the right thing by binding their powers, giving them (in ''her own words'') "the gift of a normal childhood- the gift of innocence". [[spoiler:Plus, Gideon probably wouldn't have come to the conclusion that Wyatt needed to die for the greater good if not for incidents like the aforementioned Dragon summoning]].



* JustHereForGodzilla: A lot of fans watch "The Good, The Bad and the Cursed" solely for the ShipTease between Prue and Cole.



* MostWonderfulSound:
** The sound of a whitelighter orbing. After Paige joined the show, the sound usually meant that she was about to use her powers to kick someone's ass.
** All three sisters chanting "the Power of Three will set us free". It never failed to sound badass or epic.



* WTHCostumingDepartment: Many of Phoebe's outfits (including the CostumePorn of the week) fall into this category, like wearing skimpy clothes not appropiated for workplace, several mismatched pieces or even dresses or blouses that border the ImpossiblyTackyClothes and RummageSaleReject territories.

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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Many of Phoebe's outfits (including the CostumePorn of the week) fall into this category, like wearing skimpy clothes not appropiated appropriate for workplace, several mismatched pieces or even dresses or blouses that border the ImpossiblyTackyClothes and RummageSaleReject territories.territories. Alyssa Milano herself hated these outfits and one of the conditions of returning for Season 8 was for Phoebe's clothes to become more modest.
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** Likewise fans assumed that Piper's unnamed third child in the finale is named Melinda - after the daughter that she had in the alternate future in "Morality Bites". This is ignoring that when Wyatt was thought to be a girl, Piper mentions that was planning to name the daughter after Prue. This eventually became AscendedFanon in the comics where the child is named Melinda.

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** Likewise fans assumed that Piper's unnamed third child in the finale is named Melinda - after the daughter that she had in the alternate future in "Morality Bites". This is ignoring that when Wyatt was thought to be a girl, Piper mentions that she was planning to name the daughter after Prue. This eventually became AscendedFanon in the comics where the child is named Melinda.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: For those who believe the trope directly below this one caused the show to JumpTheShark.
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* IAmNotSpock: Alyssa Milano got hit with a nasty case of this from rather aggressive Prue fans. Due to Phoebe getting very unlikeable in the fifth season and Shannen Doherty's departure having a lot to do with tensions with Alyssa, fans of Prue and Shannen vilified her and gave her the RonTheDeathEater treatment. This is ignoring that Alyssa was merely one of many people Shannen had disagreements with - the others being TW King (who played Andy), producer Brad Kern and several other members of the creative team. Fans also tended to blame Alyssa herself for the amount of {{Fanservice}} Phoebe ended up providing, even though she hated some of the skimpier outfits she had to wear. She also came under fire after she became a producer, as did Holly Marie Combs to a lesser extent - despite Creator/RoseMcGowan saying that the actresses didn't get any extra benefits for the position, which is why she declined it.

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* CreatorsPet:
** Phoebe in Seasons 5-7 where she's consistently portrayed as in the right, and comes across as a massive DesignatedHero. She shirks her responsibilities as a Charmed One all for her own desires and the show takes her side on it. Usually if someone is calling Phoebe out for something, they'll be in the wrong. This thankfully levels off a little in Season 8.
** Billie in Season 8 was widely disliked for this reason. The network had demanded a new YoungerAndHipper character that could star in a potential spin-off. Billie was unfortunately viewed as having a combination of all the negative characteristics of the Halliwells - and a plot about her and her long lost sister took prime focus over the actual protagonists of the show. Not helping matters was the fact that two series regulars had to be PutOnABus to accommodate her, and Kayley Cuoco not being up to the melodrama of the role.

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* CreatorsPet:
** Phoebe in Seasons 5-7 where she's consistently portrayed as in the right, and comes across as a massive DesignatedHero. She shirks her responsibilities as a Charmed One all for her own desires and the show takes her side on it. Usually if someone is calling Phoebe out for something, they'll be in the wrong. This thankfully levels off a little in Season 8.
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CreatorsPet: Billie in Season 8 was widely disliked for this reason. The network had demanded a new YoungerAndHipper character that could star in a potential spin-off. Billie was unfortunately viewed as having a combination of all the negative characteristics of the Halliwells - and a plot about her and her long lost sister took prime focus over the actual protagonists of the show. Not helping matters was the fact that two series regulars had to be PutOnABus to accommodate her, and Kayley Cuoco not being up to the melodrama of the role.
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** Or since they can create spells, why they never bothered to figure one to ''prevent'' anyone from teleporting in! It's somewhat sad that the only one DangerouslyGenreSavvy enough to do this was Ludlow, who protected his demonic training academy with spells to make it both untraceable unless you already knew its location, as well as impossible to teleport into!

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** Phoebe's baby, even if it was a FetusTerrible.

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** Phoebe's baby, Phoebe shows no emotion to her baby's death, even if it was a FetusTerrible.

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* AccidentalInnuendo: Piper's line about Wyatt "corrupting himself" in "Imaginary Fiends".

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* BaseBreaker: All the Halliwell sisters to some extent.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: All the Halliwell sisters to some extent.



** Around about Season 5, Cole started getting this way, thanks to some serious EndingFatigue regarding his arc. Though at least in his case, it's more a BaseBreaker.
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** The groom-to-be in "The Wedding from Hell" was named [[Series/{{Leverage}} Elliot Spencer.]] For additional hilarity, an episode of Leverage focused on the main cast's efforts to crash a wedding, just as this one did.
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* SophomoreSlump: Season 2 is regarded as the weakest of the Prue seasons for its lack of focus on magic, a RomanticPlotTumour involving Leo, Piper and Dan and overall bad quality of writing. Within the Paige seasons - 4 to 8 - Season 5 is also one of the most despised for a sudden shift to standalone episodes, LighterAndSofter tone, CharacterDerailment for Phoebe and HotterAndSexier outfits.

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* SophomoreSlump: Season 2 is regarded as the weakest of the Prue seasons for its lack of focus on magic, a RomanticPlotTumour involving Leo, Piper and Dan and overall bad quality of writing. Within the Paige seasons - 4 to 8 - Season 5 is also one of the most despised for a sudden shift to standalone episodes, LighterAndSofter tone, CharacterDerailment for Phoebe tone and HotterAndSexier outfits.
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice:
** Overall, this is best known as that show with the three sexy witch sisters.
** "Coyote Piper" is named for the one {{Fanservice}} scene where a possessed Piper does a sexy table dance in a ShoutOut to the movie ''Film/CoyoteUgly'' - which is almost a BigLippedAlligatorMoment.
** "Ms Hellfire" is remembered for being the episode where Prue walks around in sexy black leather outfits to impersonate a hitwoman.
** Quite a few episodes were marketed around the fact that there would be {{Fanservice}} in them. "A Witch's Tail" for Phoebe's skimpy mermaid outfit, "I Dream of Phoebe" for the genie costume, "Valhalley of the Dolls" for the valkyries' {{Chainmail Bikini}}s. "The Bare Witch Project" even made a big deal about Phoebe being nude doing Lady Godiva - when it's a two-minute scene at the end of the episode.
** "Battle of the Hexes" has Billie in a sexy Wonder Woman-inspired outfit and something about a gender equality lesson.


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* IAmNotSpock: Alyssa Milano got hit with a nasty case of this from rather aggressive Prue fans. Due to Phoebe getting very unlikeable in the fifth season and Shannen Doherty's departure having a lot to do with tensions with Alyssa, fans of Prue and Shannen vilified her and gave her the RonTheDeathEater treatment. This is ignoring that Alyssa was merely one of many people Shannen had disagreements with - the others being TW King (who played Andy), producer Brad Kern and several other members of the creative team. Fans also tended to blame Alyssa herself for the amount of {{Fanservice}} Phoebe ended up providing, even though she hated some of the skimpier outfits she had to wear. She also came under fire after she became a producer, as did Holly Marie Combs to a lesser extent - despite Creator/RoseMcGowan saying that the actresses didn't get any extra benefits for the position, which is why she declined it.


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* ScapegoatCreator: Brad Kern is this for many fans, due to him taking over after creator Constance M Burge left. This is quite ironic, as Burge left over Kern's decision to introduce Cole - who is a fan favourite. Burge gets no backlash for being responsible for the much loathed Piper and Dan romance. Kern is usually blamed for the focus on romance, vampy outfits and a LighterAndSofter tone in the fifth season. If they don't blame him, they blame Alyssa Milano. See IAmNotSpock above.


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* SophomoreSlump: Season 2 is regarded as the weakest of the Prue seasons for its lack of focus on magic, a RomanticPlotTumour involving Leo, Piper and Dan and overall bad quality of writing. Within the Paige seasons - 4 to 8 - Season 5 is also one of the most despised for a sudden shift to standalone episodes, LighterAndSofter tone, CharacterDerailment for Phoebe and HotterAndSexier outfits.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Cole Turner is this. This is mostly due to the actor being Julian [=McMahon=] who greatly [[MrFanservice appeals to the predominantly female audience]], but even without that his story is a fairly good cause. He spent most of his life working for the forces of evil but [[HeelFaceTurn became good]] because he [[ThePowerOfLove fell in love]] with Phoebe Halliwell. After a [[EarnYourHappyEnding great deal of work]], he became a normal human. Which in itself may have been his biggest mistake because [[BadassDecay following that point he lost total control of his house of cards]]. He ended up being possessed by the Source of all Evil and the Charmed Ones had to vanquish him. (After [[IdiotBall Phoebe killed a wizard]] who could have taken the Source's power from Cole.) After he came back, the sisters just [[HeelFaceDoorSlam flat out dismissed him as evil]] and didn't trust him from the start. They didn't even bother finding out if he was possessed by evil by an entity that had possessed humans before (even though said wizard and Cole's assistant had practically told them as much). Cole tried over and over again to prove that he was good until he [[AxCrazy snapped]] and became evil [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor again]] (although, to be fair, he has killed several humans and gotten seduced by a siren into almost killing Phoebe). This caused a lot of Phoebe fans to hate Phoebe and feel sympathetic to Cole. Further made worse in retrospect when one realized Cole never would have been infected by the source if he didn't have to take his powers to save the sisters who were going to be killed, and was only evil due to the source controlling him. And how many times they get to choose between good and evil and have evil actions reversed after becoming good again, but Cole is somehow irredeemable.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Cole Turner is this. This is mostly due to the actor being Julian [=McMahon=] who greatly [[MrFanservice appeals to the predominantly female audience]], but even without that his story is a fairly good cause. He spent most of his life working for the forces of evil but [[HeelFaceTurn became good]] because he [[ThePowerOfLove fell in love]] with Phoebe Halliwell. After a [[EarnYourHappyEnding great deal of work]], he became a normal human. Which in itself may have been his biggest mistake because [[BadassDecay following that point he lost total control of his house of cards]]. He ended up being possessed by the Source of all Evil and the Charmed Ones had to vanquish him. (After [[IdiotBall Phoebe killed a wizard]] who could have taken the Source's power from Cole.) After he came back, the sisters just [[HeelFaceDoorSlam flat out dismissed him as evil]] and didn't trust him from the start. They didn't even bother finding out if he was possessed by evil by an entity that had possessed humans before (even though said wizard and Cole's assistant had practically told them as much). Cole tried over and over again to prove that he was good until he [[AxCrazy snapped]] and became evil [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor again]] (although, to be fair, he has killed several humans and gotten seduced by a siren into almost killing Phoebe). This caused a lot of Phoebe fans to hate Phoebe and feel sympathetic to Cole. Further made worse in retrospect when one realized Cole never would have been infected by the source The Source if he didn't have to take his powers to save the sisters who were going to be killed, and was only evil due to the source controlling him. And how many times they get to choose between good and evil and have evil actions reversed after becoming good again, but Cole is somehow irredeemable.
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* LesYay: The lesbian vampires. Paige gets a couple, like being kissed by nymphs and mentioning how cute Darryl's wife is. Also, there isn't quite as much IncestSubtext as you would think (a lot lessIncestSubtext in ''Charmed'' than there is IncestSubtext in ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', for example), but there was an episode where Phoebe was channeling a guy's lust towards Piper. Both sisters are [[{{Squick}} a bit creeped out]]. Phoebe and Kyra, almost to the point of Lampshading.

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* LesYay: The lesbian vampires. Paige gets a couple, like being kissed by nymphs and mentioning how cute Darryl's wife is. Also, there isn't quite as much IncestSubtext as you would think (a lot lessIncestSubtext less IncestSubtext in ''Charmed'' than there is IncestSubtext in ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', for example), but there was an episode where Phoebe was channeling a guy's lust towards Piper. Both sisters are [[{{Squick}} a bit creeped out]]. Phoebe and Kyra, almost to the point of Lampshading.
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** The reason given to why Prue's ghost couldn't visit her sisters was that it would prevent them from being able to move on with their lives. However, every other deceased member of their family is free to visit them whenever they want. In fact, it was their dead grandmother who explained this to them during one of her many visits.
** In Season 8, the Cleaners couldn't help the sisters with the reporters accosting them due too much time having passed and because the sisters have "burned that bridge." This not implies that there was a previously unmentioned time limit in which the Cleaners could act but it also means that they let their dislike of the sisters overshadow their duty to protect the magical world from exposure at any cost.

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** PENNY A.K.A. GRAMS. She is absolutely horrible when it comes to men and has been for over 40 years, in particular following [[spoiler:her first husband Allen's death]]. She's had numerous husbands since and never been able to keep one, and this would show in the way she lorded over her daughter and granddaughters in that department. She forced the "Halliwell women keep their names" issue, undermined Victor and Patty's marriage and eventually chased him out of his own daughters' lives after Patty's death. She cursed her wedding ring to turn its wearer into a stereotypical housewife so she (and apparently anyone else after her) wouldn't want to marry again. It's implied that she [[KickTheSonOfABitch killed/disappeared an ex-boyfriend of Prue's]] [[AssholeVictim for attacking her back when she was sixteen]], thus setting the stage for magically murdering human male antagonists to be considered perfectly acceptable Charmed One behavior. She even refused her own great-grandson's Wiccaning because Wyatt was a boy until her own personal Cole (Armand the Necromancer) forced her to confront a home truth about their relationship. Her mentality throughout the show can be best summed up as "All men suck except for my first husband," and, with few exceptions, "anything that gets in the way of our Wiccan calling has to go away." If there was ever a character to point the finger at for some of the sisters' worst moral and romantic tendencies, she's it. Here's a moment from the sixth season episode "Witchstock" says it all about Grams. ''She states directly to Piper's face that she has '''repeatedly advised her''' to look at men as '''tools to be used and discarded at her leisure'''.'' Piper's husband Leo and her new whitelighter [[KidFromTheFuture Chris]] [[spoiler:[[ItWasHisSled who also secretly happens to be her second son]]]] both enter the room immediately after this statement. The Wiccaning episode was in ''season five'', and as this is episode takes place in season ''six'', Penny still being an openly proud misandrist no longer makes any sense in context by this point; her even thinking she can get away with it in front of the first Charmed One to become a wife and mother[[note]]excluding Prue's one day marriage to a warlock in season 3 when she was corrupted by an evil ceremony[[/note]], with said Charmed One's husband and new magical guide[[spoiler:/second son]] in the next hallway, should be even more nonsensical. Yet she received '''no objection nor reprimand whatsoever''' for her remarks in-universe. [[DoubleStandard If the genders were reversed, the way this scene played out would've been grounds for feminist petitions up the nines threatening to force the show off the air before the season could even finish]]. Enjoy the quote in question below:
--> ''"How many times have I told you? [[MenAreTheExpendableGender Men are utensils. You use them, wash them, and throw them in a drawer until you need them again.]]"''

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** PENNY A.K.A. GRAMS. She Penny Halliwell is absolutely touted as a badass matriarch of the Halliwell line. Yet she is a StrawFeminist of the worst degree, ready to disown her own grandson just because he's a boy - because she believes that all men are inherently evil. Rather than outright showing how horrible when it comes to men and has been for over 40 years, in particular following [[spoiler:her first husband Allen's death]]. She's had numerous husbands since and never been able to keep one, and this would show in the way she lorded over her daughter and granddaughters in that department. She forced the "Halliwell women keep their names" issue, undermined Victor and Patty's marriage and eventually chased him out of his own daughters' lives after Patty's death. She cursed her wedding ring to turn its wearer into a stereotypical housewife so she (and apparently anyone else after her) wouldn't want to marry again. It's implied that she [[KickTheSonOfABitch killed/disappeared an ex-boyfriend of Prue's]] [[AssholeVictim for attacking her back when she was sixteen]], thus setting the stage for magically murdering human male antagonists to be considered perfectly acceptable Charmed One behavior. She even refused her own great-grandson's Wiccaning because Wyatt was a boy until her own personal Cole (Armand the Necromancer) forced her to confront a home truth about their relationship. Her mentality throughout these ideas are, the show can tries to play her sympathetically - which certainly ''wouldn't'' be best summed up as "All men suck except for my first husband," and, with few exceptions, "anything that gets in the way of our Wiccan calling has to go away." If there was ever a character to point the finger at for some of the sisters' worst moral and romantic tendencies, she's it. Here's a moment from the sixth season episode "Witchstock" says it all about Grams. ''She states directly to Piper's face that case if she has '''repeatedly advised her''' to look at men as '''tools to be used and discarded at her leisure'''.'' Piper's husband Leo and her new whitelighter [[KidFromTheFuture Chris]] [[spoiler:[[ItWasHisSled who also secretly happens to be her second son]]]] both enter the room immediately after this statement. The Wiccaning episode was in ''season five'', and as this is episode takes place in season ''six'', Penny still being an openly proud misandrist no longer makes any sense in context by this point; her even thinking she can get away with it in front of the first Charmed One to become a wife and mother[[note]]excluding Prue's one day marriage to a warlock in season 3 when she was corrupted by an evil ceremony[[/note]], with said Charmed One's husband and new magical guide[[spoiler:/second son]] in the next hallway, should be even more nonsensical. Yet she received '''no objection nor reprimand whatsoever''' for her remarks in-universe. [[DoubleStandard If the genders were reversed, the way this scene played out would've been grounds for feminist petitions up the nines threatening a man]]. Even though she does learn AnAesop, she occasionally reverts back to force the show off the air before the season could even finish]]. Enjoy the quote in question below:
--> ''"How many times have I told you? [[MenAreTheExpendableGender Men are utensils. You use them, wash them, and throw them in a drawer until you need them again.]]"''
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* FanPreferredCouple:
** Piper and Leo are the OneTruePairing for fans. Piper's only other significant love interest Dan has very few fans.
** Phoebe and Cole, due to the LoveRedeems nature of it - and Julian [=McMahon=] really making Cole into quite TheWoobie.
** Prue and Andy. Although Prue got two more love interests during her short time, most view Andy as her one true love.
** Prue and Cole has some traction, due to the FoeYay aspect (and the fact that their actors were dating).
** Paige is unique in that she doesn't seem to have a love interest that's liked or disliked more than the others. But Henry is usually accepted as her true love, the chemistry between the two actors making up for the rushed nature of it.


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* GrowingTheBeard: Season 1 is viewed as flawed, but decent. Season 2 is highly divisive, but most fans agree that Season 3 is where the show really got good. That and Season 4 are viewed as the two strongest seasons.


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** Dan and Jenny in Season 2. The first by way of DieForOurShip, as he was an obvious RomanticFalseLead for Piper - and had no personality other than being hot and occasionally jealous. Jenny mainly because she's in four episodes, gets put in the credits, and is then PutOnABus before she could do anything.
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* RomanticPlotTumor: The love triangle between Piper, Leo and Dan in Season 2. Given that Leo already knew Piper was a witch and that she had saved his life in "Love Hurts" - as well as AnAesop at the end of "Morality Bites" that they should try to make their relationship work despite all obstacles - there was never any doubt in the fans' mind that Piper would choose anyone but him. The plot was stretched out across an entire season. It may have eventually been disliked by the creators themselves - as Constance M. Burge protested against Cole's introduction, not wanting another long running love story. Ironically Cole's story was much better received than Dan's.

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* RomanticPlotTumor: The love triangle between Piper, Leo and Dan in Season 2. Given that Leo already knew Piper was a witch and that she had saved his life in "Love Hurts" - as well as AnAesop at the end of "Morality Bites" that they should try to make their relationship work despite all obstacles - there was never any doubt in the fans' mind that Piper would choose anyone but him. The plot was stretched out across an entire season. It may have eventually been disliked by the creators themselves - as Constance M. Burge protested against Cole's introduction, not wanting another long running love story. Ironically Cole's story (which also had actual relevancy to the plot) was much better received than Dan's.
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** Phoebe in Seasons 5-7 where she's consistently portrayed as in the right, and comes across as a massive DesiginatedHero. She shirks her responsibilities as a Charmed One all for her own desires and the show takes her side on it. Usually if someone is calling Phoebe out for something, they'll be in the wrong. This thankfully levels off a little in Season 8.

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** Phoebe in Seasons 5-7 where she's consistently portrayed as in the right, and comes across as a massive DesiginatedHero.DesignatedHero. She shirks her responsibilities as a Charmed One all for her own desires and the show takes her side on it. Usually if someone is calling Phoebe out for something, they'll be in the wrong. This thankfully levels off a little in Season 8.
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** Phoebe in Seasons 5-7 where she's consistently portrayed as in the right, and comes across as a massive DesginatedHero. She shirks her responsibilities as a Charmed One all for her own desires and the show takes her side on it. Usually if someone is calling Phoebe out for something, they'll be in the wrong. This thankfully levels off a little in Season 8.

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** Phoebe in Seasons 5-7 where she's consistently portrayed as in the right, and comes across as a massive DesginatedHero.DesiginatedHero. She shirks her responsibilities as a Charmed One all for her own desires and the show takes her side on it. Usually if someone is calling Phoebe out for something, they'll be in the wrong. This thankfully levels off a little in Season 8.

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