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* SpiritualAdaptation: Many felt that the book was a successor to Marvel's ''ComicBook/TheNewWarriors'', which shared the theme of young heroes' heroism against in both mundane and surreal.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: Many felt that the book was a successor to Marvel's ''ComicBook/TheNewWarriors'', ''ComicBook/NewWarriors'', which shared the theme of young heroes' heroism against in both mundane and surreal.
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** Issue #3: [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain The militant commander]] is the leader of a group of [[MiddleEasternTerrorists Islamic radicals]] attempting to instill gender apartheid on the city of Lasibad. The militant commander leads the oppression of the young girls and women of the city, and has no issue killing them if they don't comply with his warped ideas in order to prevent them from getting healthcare and education. When a young girl named Amal stands up to him, the commander orders the massacre of the entire crowd gathered to help her and later tries to personally kill Amal himself.
** Issue #5: [[BigotWithABadge Sheriff Studdard]] is the racist chief of Daly County's police. He uses his influence to spread hatred and inspire violence against marginalized people. Studdard bombs a mosque and, when confronted by the Champions, threatens to make examples of them as well.
** Issue #9: Mr. Gloom is a San Diego drug producer who lures [[WouldHurtAChild kids]] into his service. Working for a mysterious crime lord, Gloom has kids implanted with [[ExplosiveLeash chips]] he can use to blow them up in case of disobedience. When Viv and Red Locust break in to save the kids, Gloom threatens to blow them all up before being stopped by the heroes.
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** A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost every arc since its inception under writer Mark Waid. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.
** Jim Zub picking up the book has him explicitly put more emphasis on the actual team dynamics and retooling the book towards more traditional superheroics while still maintaining the group's initial mission statement of trying to solve global problems.
** Nova's helmet on Earth is actually this. Apparently, the colorist on ''Amazing Spider-Man'' accidentally colored the Nova helmet on Spidey's head black around the time Sam lost his helmet. Thus, Zub fixed by saying that it got swiped while it was in custody. And seeing as the Thieves Guild were already established to be smart enough to run off with Tony Stark's armors and Frank Castle's weaponry, this wasn't beyond the impossible.
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* MemeticMutation: With Viv kissing Riri and coming out as a lesbian, coupled with her "half-brothers" [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers Wiccan and Speed]] being gay and bi respectively, jokes that Vision is incapable of producing a heterosexual (living) child were bound to happen.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: Many felt that the book was a successor to Marvel's ComicBook/TheNewWarriors, which shared the theme of young heroes' heroism against in both mundane and surreal.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: Many felt that the book was a successor to Marvel's ComicBook/TheNewWarriors, ''ComicBook/TheNewWarriors'', which shared the theme of young heroes' heroism against in both mundane and surreal.



** In the incident that causes Kamala to quit, Cap points out that none of them are engineers and can't repair the train, so they have to leave it for someone else. He's got a point, with The Avengers largely being first-responders to an attack by super-villains.

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** In the incident that causes Kamala to quit, Cap points out that none of them are engineers and can't repair the train, so they have to leave it for someone else. He's got a point, with The the Avengers largely being first-responders to an attack attacks by super-villains.



* TooBleakStoppedCaring: It actually tries to prevent this, in RealLife, hoping readers get enlightened about social issues as they are tackled in the comic.

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: It The comic's concept actually tries to prevent this, this happening in RealLife, real life, hoping that readers get enlightened about social issues as they are tackled in the comic.comic.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: It actually tries to prevent this, in RealLife, hoping readers get enlightened about social issues as they are tackled in the comic.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: On top of an already BrokenBase over Gwenpool issue, a small number of people pointed out the message would be stronger if there actually were supervillains in the town like Sons of Serpent or Hate-Monger or Hydra, but it would turn out that instead of being a cause of rampant bigotry, like Gwen believed, they heard what is happening and showed up in hope of getting fresh recruits.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: On top of an already BrokenBase over Gwenpool issue, a small number of people pointed out the message would be stronger if there actually were supervillains in the town like Sons of Serpent or Hate-Monger or Hydra, but it would turn out that instead of being a cause of rampant bigotry, like Gwen believed, they heard what is happening and showed up in hope of getting fresh recruits.recruits.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: It actually tries to prevent this, in RealLife, hoping readers get enlightened about social issues as they are tackled in the comic.
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** Nova's helmet on Earth is actually this. Apparently, the colorist on ''Amazing Spider-Man'' accidentally colored the Nova helmet on Spidey's head black around the time Sam lost his helmet. Thus, Zub fixed by saying that it got swiped awhile it was in custody. And seeing as the Thieves Guild were already established to be smart enough to run off with Tony Stark's armors and Frank Castle's weaponry, this wasn't beyond the impossible.

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** Nova's helmet on Earth is actually this. Apparently, the colorist on ''Amazing Spider-Man'' accidentally colored the Nova helmet on Spidey's head black around the time Sam lost his helmet. Thus, Zub fixed by saying that it got swiped awhile while it was in custody. And seeing as the Thieves Guild were already established to be smart enough to run off with Tony Stark's armors and Frank Castle's weaponry, this wasn't beyond the impossible.
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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Vivheart for Viv\Riri, Samala for Sam\Kamala, Kamiles for Kamala\Miles

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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Vivheart for Viv\Riri, Viv/Riri, Samala for Sam\Kamala, Sam/Kamala, Kamiles for Kamala\MilesKamala/Miles

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Gwenpool's appearance in the comic has divided the fanbase. Some dislike her for going against the comic's tone and being a reckless brat. Others like her for adding some levity and humor to the story. This is especially hard since the whole point of Gwenpool is that she doesn't take AnAesop in this comic book seriously because she [[SelectiveObliviousness doesn't believe it]], no matter how deep. Fans who agree or disagree tend to like or dislike the character in turn. The main reason for the disagreement is that [[MetaGuy Gwenpool]] [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] the BrokenBase written just below.

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BaseBreakingCharacter: Gwenpool's appearance in the comic has divided the fanbase. Some dislike her for going against the comic's tone and being a reckless brat. Others like her for adding some levity and humor to the story. This is especially hard since the whole point of Gwenpool is that she doesn't take AnAesop in this comic book seriously because she [[SelectiveObliviousness doesn't believe it]], no matter how deep. Fans who agree or disagree tend to like or dislike the character in turn. The main reason for the disagreement is that [[MetaGuy Gwenpool]] [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] the BrokenBase written just below.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The two-parter in which Freelancers trademark Champions' name because Champions themselves wanted it to belong to everyone and didn't do the proper paperwork to own the trademark. Why? Because Champions and Mark Waid were frequently bashed by controversial Comicsgate movement, that is attacking all creators and comics they feel are "pushing an agenda". Maybe if Comicsgate took the lesson this book was telling, rather than complain that it is there, they would not have the very name of their movement taken over and trademarked by Creator/VoxDay.

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* HilariousInHindsight: The two-parter in which Freelancers trademark Champions' name because Champions themselves wanted it to belong to everyone and didn't do the proper paperwork to own the trademark. Why? Because Champions and Mark Waid were frequently bashed by controversial Comicsgate movement, that is attacking all creators and comics they feel are "pushing an political agenda". Maybe if Comicsgate took the lesson this book was telling, rather than complain that it is there, they would not have the very name of their movement taken over and trademarked by Creator/VoxDay.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: On top of an already BrokenBase over Gwenpool issue, a small number of people pointed out the message would be stronger if there actually were supervillains in the town like Sons of Serpent or Hate-Monger or Hydra, but it would turn out that instead of being a cause of rampant bigotry, like Gwen believed, they heard what is happening and showed up in hope of getting fresh recruits.
* ToughActToFollow: The general consensus is that Waid's take on Viv is fine at writing her as a typical character who wants to understand human emotions, but lacks the complexity and depth of Tom King's writing of her. The same Tom King who won a Harvey and Eisner award for ''ComicBook/TheVision2015''... yeah, hard to follow.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: On top of an already BrokenBase over Gwenpool issue, a small number of people pointed out the message would be stronger if there actually were supervillains in the town like Sons of Serpent or Hate-Monger or Hydra, but it would turn out that instead of being a cause of rampant bigotry, like Gwen believed, they heard what is happening and showed up in hope of getting fresh recruits.
* ToughActToFollow: The general consensus is that Waid's take on Viv is fine at writing her as a typical character who wants to understand human emotions, but lacks the complexity and depth of Tom King's writing of her. The same Tom King who won a Harvey and Eisner award for ''ComicBook/TheVision2015''... yeah, hard to follow.
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* ScrewedByTheNetwork: Most people agree the January 2019 relaunch (when 2016 series ended in December 2018) was artificial and screwed the sales and the decision to have some of the most popular characters on the team leave to focus on their own books (some of which was, admittingly, Jim Zub's decision, but other cases feel like an editorial mandate) undid any benefit adding several minor fan-favorites had, leading to the series cancellation.

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* CrackPairing: Nova and Kaldera, even though the latter is an insane BloodKnight who has made it clear that, if given the chance, she would literally eat Sam. The absurdity of the pairing is potentially referenced in ''Champions'' #7, which has Kaldera snap, "[[ShipSinking I have no desire for physical relations with you!]]"
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: On top of an already BrokenBase over Gwenpool issue, a small number of people pointed out the message would be stronger if there actually were supervillains in the town like Sons of Serpent or Hate-Monger or Hydra, but it would turn out that instead of being a cause of rampant bigotry, like Gwen believed, they heard what is happening and showed up in hope of getting fresh recruits.
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* ScrewedByTheNetwork: Most people agree the 2019 relaunch (when 2016 ended in December 2018) was artificial and screwed the sales and decision to have some of the most popular characters on the team leave to focus on their own books (some of which was, admittingly, Jim Zub's decision, but other cases feel like n editorial mandate) unding any benefit adding several minor fan-favorites had, leading to the series cancellation.

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* ScrewedByTheNetwork: Most people agree the January 2019 relaunch (when 2016 series ended in December 2018) was artificial and screwed the sales and the decision to have some of the most popular characters on the team leave to focus on their own books (some of which was, admittingly, Jim Zub's decision, but other cases feel like n an editorial mandate) unding undid any benefit adding several minor fan-favorites had, leading to the series cancellation.
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* ScrewedByTheNetwork: Most people agree the 2019 relaunch (when 2016 ended in December 2018) was artificial and screwed the sales and decision to have some of the most popular characters on the team leave to focus on their own books (some of which was, admittingly, Jim Zub's decision, but other cases feel like n editorial mandate) unding any benefit adding several minor fan-favorites had, leading to the series cancellation.
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** Nova's helmet on Earth is actually this. Apparently, the colorist on ''Amazing Spider-Man'' accidentally colored the Nova helmet on Spidey's head black around the time Sam lost his helmet. Thus, Zub fixed by saying that it got swiped awhile it was in custody. And seeing as the Thieves Guild were already established to be smart enough to run off with Tony Stark's armors and Frank Castle's weaponry, this wasn't beyond the impossible.
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* ShipMates: Outside the same series but within TheVerse, Vivheart shippers have a lot of support from [[ComicBook/Runaways Deanoru]] fans.

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* ShipMates: Outside the same series but within TheVerse, Vivheart shippers have a lot of support from [[ComicBook/Runaways [[ComicBook/{{Runaways}} Deanoru]] fans.
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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Vivheart for Viv\Riri, Samala for Sam\Kamala, Kamiles for Kamala\Miles
* ShipMates: Outside the same series but within TheVerse, Vivheart shippers have a lot of support from [[ComicBook/Runaways Deanoru]] fans.
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* SpiritualLicensee: Many felt that the book was a successor to Marvel's ComicBook/TheNewWarriors, which shared the theme of young heroes' heroism against in both mundane and surreal.

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* SpiritualLicensee: SpiritualAdaptation: Many felt that the book was a successor to Marvel's ComicBook/TheNewWarriors, which shared the theme of young heroes' heroism against in both mundane and surreal.

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* SpiritualLicensee: Many felt that the book was a successor to Marvel's ComicBook/TheNewWarriors, which shared the theme of young heroes' heroism against in both mundane and surreal.



* SpiritualLicensee: Many felt that the book was a successor to Marvel's ComicBook/TheNewWarriors, which shared the theme of young heroes' heroism against in both mundane and surreal.
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* SpiritualLicensee: Many felt that the book was a successor to Marvel's ComicBook/TheNewWarriors, which shared the theme of young heroes' heroism against in both mundane and surreal.
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** A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception under writer Mark Waid. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.

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** A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever every arc since its inception under writer Mark Waid. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: It actually tries to prevent this, in RealLife, hoping readers get enlightened about social issues as they're tackled in the comic.
* HilariousInHindsight: The two-parter in which Freelancers trademark Champions name because Champions themselves wanted it to belong to everyone and didn't do proper papework to own the trademark. Why? Because Champions and Mark Waid were frequently bashed by controversial Comicsgate movement, that s attacking all creators and comics they felt are "pushing an agenda". Maybe if Comicsgate took the lesson this book was telling, rather than complain it is there, they would not have the very name of their movement taken over and trademarked by Creator/VoxDay.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: It actually tries to prevent this, in RealLife, hoping readers get enlightened about social issues as they're they are tackled in the comic.
* HilariousInHindsight: The two-parter in which Freelancers trademark Champions Champions' name because Champions themselves wanted it to belong to everyone and didn't do the proper papework paperwork to own the trademark. Why? Because Champions and Mark Waid were frequently bashed by controversial Comicsgate movement, that s is attacking all creators and comics they felt feel are "pushing an agenda". Maybe if Comicsgate took the lesson this book was telling, rather than complain that it is there, they would not have the very name of their movement taken over and trademarked by Creator/VoxDay.



** In the incident that causes Kamala to quit, Cap points out that none of them are engineers and can't repair the train, so they have to leave it for someone else. He's got a point, with the Avengers largely being first-responder to an attack by super-villains.
** Depending on whether or not readers agree with her, Gwenpool has a point when she states that while she understands concepts of bigotry or racism, she just doesn't care about any of it in a comic

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** In the incident that causes Kamala to quit, Cap points out that none of them are engineers and can't repair the train, so they have to leave it for someone else. He's got a point, with the The Avengers largely being first-responder first-responders to an attack by super-villains.
** Depending on whether or not readers agree with her, Gwenpool has a point when she states that while she understands concepts of bigotry or racism, she just doesn't care about any of it in a comiccomic.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The two-parter in which Freelancers trademark Champions name because Champions themselves wanted it to belong to everyone and didn't do proper papework to own the trademark. Why? Because Champions and Mark Waid were frequently bashed by controversial Comicsgate movement, that s attacking all creators and comics they felt are "pushing an agenda". Maybe if Comicsgate took the lesson this book was telling, rather than complain it is there, they would not have the very name of their movement taken over and trademarked by Creator/VoxDay.
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** A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.

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** A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception.inception under writer Mark Waid. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.

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A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.statement.
** Jim Zub picking up the book has him explicitly put more emphasis on the actual team dynamics and retooling the book towards more traditional superheroics while still maintaining the group's initial mission statement of trying to solve global problems.
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* AuthorsSavingsThrow: A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.

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* AuthorsSavingsThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow: A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.
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** AuthorsSavingsThrow: A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.

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** * AuthorsSavingsThrow: A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.
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** AuthorsSavingsThrow: A point of contention was how the team's goal (to help people without just being a generic hero team that defeats villains through fighting) was contradicted in almost ever arc since its inception. Waid's last issue has Kamala realize this, and the team decide to refocus themselves on living up to their original mission statement.
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We aren't meant to sympathize entirely with the Champions. Nova was clearly acting distraught, and Amadeus is the team hothead. The story doesn't portray their actions as correct.


* ToughActToFollow: The general consensus is that Waid's take on Viv is fine at writing her as a typical character who wants to understand human emotions, but lacks the complexity and depth of Tom King's writing of her. The same Tom King who won a Harvey and Eisner award for ''ComicBook/TheVision2015''... yeah, hard to follow.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Kamala, Sam and Amadeus in issue #15 while they were in mourning over [[spoiler: Viv's assumed death]] they ultimately lose sympathy for how they acted, Sam for how he childishly tried to quit the team, and then blasted Hercules for attempting to talk him out of it, Kamala for getting snappy towards Falcon when he said Nova needs cool down, Amadeus for punching Falcon while in ''hulk form'' for the same reason while acting as if it's the Avengers being condescending and seemingly not acknowledging how Nova attacked Hercules unprovoked. Especially glaring given how Herc and Amadeus are close friends yet he doesn't seem to care.

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* ToughActToFollow: The general consensus is that Waid's take on Viv is fine at writing her as a typical character who wants to understand human emotions, but lacks the complexity and depth of Tom King's writing of her. The same Tom King who won a Harvey and Eisner award for ''ComicBook/TheVision2015''... yeah, hard to follow.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Kamala, Sam and Amadeus in issue #15 while they were in mourning over [[spoiler: Viv's assumed death]] they ultimately lose sympathy for how they acted, Sam for how he childishly tried to quit the team, and then blasted Hercules for attempting to talk him out of it, Kamala for getting snappy towards Falcon when he said Nova needs cool down, Amadeus for punching Falcon while in ''hulk form'' for the same reason while acting as if it's the Avengers being condescending and seemingly not acknowledging how Nova attacked Hercules unprovoked. Especially glaring given how Herc and Amadeus are close friends yet he doesn't seem to care.
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