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* {{Anvilicious}} - Steven Long's preference for [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks the dark age]] [[AudienceAlienatingEra of comic books]], and occasionally other personal politics, shine through in various supplements.

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* {{Anvilicious}} - Steven Long's preference for [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks [[MediaNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks the dark age]] [[AudienceAlienatingEra of comic books]], and occasionally other personal politics, shine through in various supplements.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: ''Champions New Millenium'' which featured a new system (that players hated) and updated the setting to a DarkerAndEdgier 1990s Image-style universe. That the artists from Creator/RTalsorianGames felt like copying Creator/RobLiefeld art for their illustrations probably didn't help.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: ''Champions New Millenium'' which featured a new system (that players hated) and updated the setting to a DarkerAndEdgier 1990s Image-style [[Creator/ImageComics Image]]-style universe. That the artists from Creator/RTalsorianGames felt like copying Creator/RobLiefeld art for their illustrations probably didn't help.
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* {{Squick}}: As some Reddit [[https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/warru1/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ restrospective]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/wiuppu/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ threads]] bring up, a big part of the makers of the game disowning the spinoff comic book series is head writer Dennis Malonee working more and more uncomfortable sexual proclivities into the narrative. To name just one, flagship heroine Flare had her first relationship and sexual encounter with her brother. While they were both teens.

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* {{Squick}}: As some Reddit [[https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/warru1/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ restrospective]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/wiuppu/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ threads]] bring up, a big part of the makers of the game disowning the spinoff comic book series is head writer Dennis Malonee working more and more uncomfortable sexual proclivities into the narrative. To just name just the first one, flagship heroine Flare had her first relationship and sexual encounter [[BrotherSisterIncest with her brother. While brother]]. When they were both teens.
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* Squick: As some Reddit [[https://old.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/warru1/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ restrospective]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/wiuppu/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ threads]] bring up, a big part of the makers of the game disowning the spinoff comic book series is head writer Dennis Malonee working more and more uncomfortable sexual proclivities into the narrative. To name just one, flagship heroine Flare had her first relationship and sexual encounter with her brother. While they were both teens.

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* Squick: {{Squick}}: As some Reddit [[https://old.[[https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/warru1/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ restrospective]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/wiuppu/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ threads]] bring up, a big part of the makers of the game disowning the spinoff comic book series is head writer Dennis Malonee working more and more uncomfortable sexual proclivities into the narrative. To name just one, flagship heroine Flare had her first relationship and sexual encounter with her brother. While they were both teens.
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** This trope also applied pretty strongly to ''Champions: New Millennium'', which used an entirely new system which combined elements of both Interlock (the system for {{Game/Cyberpunk 2020}} and MektonZ) and the Hero System. Of course, C:NM ''did'' suck. C:NM sucked so badly that Fuzion, the name of the system used, is now very much a derogatory term in the Hero System fandom.

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** This trope also applied pretty strongly to ''Champions: New Millennium'', which used an entirely new system which combined elements of both Interlock (the system for {{Game/Cyberpunk {{TabletopGame/Cyberpunk 2020}} and MektonZ) [=MektonZ=]) and the Hero System. Of course, C:NM ''did'' suck. C:NM sucked so badly that Fuzion, the name of the system used, is now very much a derogatory term in the Hero System fandom.
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* {{Anvilicious}} - Steven Long's preference for [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks the dark age]] [[DorkAge of comic books]], and occasionally other personal politics, shine through in various supplements.

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* {{Anvilicious}} - Steven Long's preference for [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks the dark age]] [[DorkAge [[AudienceAlienatingEra of comic books]], and occasionally other personal politics, shine through in various supplements.



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* Squick: As some Reddit [[https://old.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/warru1/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ restrospective]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/wiuppu/american_comics_the_long_grubby_sleazy_and/ threads]] bring up, a big part of the makers of the game disowning the spinoff comic book series is head writer Dennis Malonee working more and more uncomfortable sexual proclivities into the narrative. To name just one, flagship heroine Flare had her first relationship and sexual encounter with her brother. While they were both teens.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Unavoidable to an extent for something that had such a long lifespan, but perhaps the most notable example is the module ''Road Kill'', which is about a team of leather-clad, Mohawk-sporting, death-metal-playing supervillain rockers. When they make their play to broadcast their manifesto, they plan to do so by hijacking the feed for MTV, thinking that's the only TV channel that actually matters.

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Unavoidable to an extent for something that had such a long lifespan, but perhaps the most notable example is the module ''Road Kill'', which is about a team of leather-clad, Mohawk-sporting, death-metal-playing supervillain rockers. Right when the style was on its way out. When they make their play to broadcast their manifesto, they plan to do so by hijacking the feed for MTV, thinking that's the only TV channel that actually matters.

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* CreatorsPet: Steven Long's "Harbinger of Justice", shows up a ton in any of the Dark Champions books with various villains mentioning how they fear another onslaught by the guy. In a setting where having an assault rifle with armour piercing bullets is a major superpower, the Harbinger can teleport weapons into his hands from an other-dimensional source and he's faster than most speedsters in regular Champions, more armoured than many powersuit guys and smarter than a science hero. Besides his massive pool of points, he also gets powers discounted by having them get drawbacks that are merely cosmetic (something the game system tells players not to do) - so he's actually more powerful than his point total shows.* FanNickname:

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* CreatorsPet: Steven Long's "Harbinger of Justice", shows up a ton in any of the Dark Champions books with various villains mentioning how they fear another onslaught by the guy. In a setting where having an assault rifle with armour piercing bullets is a major superpower, the Harbinger can teleport weapons into his hands from an other-dimensional source and he's faster than most speedsters in regular Champions, more armoured than many powersuit guys and smarter than a science hero. Besides his massive pool of points, he also gets powers discounted by having them get drawbacks that are merely cosmetic (something the game system tells players not to do) - so he's actually more powerful than his point total shows.shows.
* FanNickname:
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: ''Champions New Millenium'' which featured a new system (that players hated) and updated the setting to a DarkerAndEdgier 1990s Image-style universe. That the artists from Creator/RTalsorianGames felt like copying Creator/RobLiefeld art for their illustrations probably didn't help.



* CreatorsPet: Steven Long's "Harbinger of Justice", shows up a ton in any of the Dark Champions books with various villains mentioning how they fear another onslaught by the guy. In a setting where having an assault rifle with armour piercing bullets is a major superpower, the Harbinger can teleport weapons into his hands from an other-dimensional source and he's faster than most speedsters in regular Champions, more armoured than many powersuit guys and smarter than a science hero. Besides his massive pool of points, he also gets powers discounted by having them get drawbacks that are merely cosmetic (something the game system tells players not to do) - so he's actually more powerful than his point total shows.
* DorkAge - ''Champions New Millenium'' which featured a new system (that players hated) and updated the setting to a DarkerAndEdgier 1990s Image-style universe. That the artists from Creator/RTalsorianGames felt like copying Creator/RobLiefeld art for their illustrations probably didn't help.

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* CreatorsPet: Steven Long's "Harbinger of Justice", shows up a ton in any of the Dark Champions books with various villains mentioning how they fear another onslaught by the guy. In a setting where having an assault rifle with armour piercing bullets is a major superpower, the Harbinger can teleport weapons into his hands from an other-dimensional source and he's faster than most speedsters in regular Champions, more armoured than many powersuit guys and smarter than a science hero. Besides his massive pool of points, he also gets powers discounted by having them get drawbacks that are merely cosmetic (something the game system tells players not to do) - so he's actually more powerful than his point total shows.
shows.* DorkAge - ''Champions New Millenium'' which featured a new system (that players hated) FanNickname:
** [=FREd=] for Fifth Rules Edition,
and updated 5er, pronounced fiver, for Fifth Edition Revised. [=FREd=] is a backronym; it was originally adopted by members of the setting to a DarkerAndEdgier 1990s Image-style universe. That the artists discussion boards from Creator/RTalsorianGames felt like copying Creator/RobLiefeld art for their illustrations probably a comment made by Steve Long the he "...didn't help.care if they called it [the fifth edition] Fred..." as long as they bought it. Thus it was affectionately dubbed Fred, and only later turned into an acronym.
** The fourth edition rulebook was commonly known as the [=BBB=], for Big Blue Book (the main color used in the cover art). A fan discussion that started when everyone realized that Big Black Book (the main color on the [=5E=] cover) would have the same initials is what led to [=FREd=].
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Unavoidable to an extent for something that had such a long lifespan, but perhaps the most notable example is the module ''Road Kill'', which is about a team of leather-clad, death-metal-playing supervillain rockers. When they make their play to broadcast their manifesto, they plan to do so by hijacking the feed for MTV, thinking that's the only TV channel that actually matters.

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Unavoidable to an extent for something that had such a long lifespan, but perhaps the most notable example is the module ''Road Kill'', which is about a team of leather-clad, Mohawk-sporting, death-metal-playing supervillain rockers. When they make their play to broadcast their manifesto, they plan to do so by hijacking the feed for MTV, thinking that's the only TV channel that actually matters.
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** This trope also applied pretty strongly to ''Champions: New Millennium'', which used an entirely new system which combined elements of both Interlock (the system for {{Game/Cyberpunk 2020}} and MektonZ) and the Hero System. Of course, C:NM ''did'' suck. C:NM sucked so badly that Fuzion, the name of the system used, is now very much a derogatory term in the Hero System fandom.

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** This trope also applied pretty strongly to ''Champions: New Millennium'', which used an entirely new system which combined elements of both Interlock (the system for {{Game/Cyberpunk 2020}} and MektonZ) and the Hero System. Of course, C:NM ''did'' suck. C:NM sucked so badly that Fuzion, the name of the system used, is now very much a derogatory term in the Hero System fandom.fandom.
* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Unavoidable to an extent for something that had such a long lifespan, but perhaps the most notable example is the module ''Road Kill'', which is about a team of leather-clad, death-metal-playing supervillain rockers. When they make their play to broadcast their manifesto, they plan to do so by hijacking the feed for MTV, thinking that's the only TV channel that actually matters.
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** According to the rules of the universe from 5E onward, superpowers and the kind of tech that only exists in comic book universes is only feasible if the amount of ambient magic in the universe is high enough to bend the rules of physics. If some cosmic event causes that amount to go down, [[RealityEnsues then reality will start behaving realistically]]. Superpowers won't be possible and implausible technology will indeed be implausible. But through all this, immortals will stay immortal.

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** According to the rules of the universe from 5E onward, superpowers and the kind of tech that only exists in comic book universes is only feasible if the amount of ambient magic in the universe is high enough to bend the rules of physics. If some cosmic event causes that amount to go down, [[RealityEnsues [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome then reality will start behaving realistically]]. Superpowers won't be possible and implausible technology will indeed be implausible. But through all this, immortals will stay immortal.
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* SerialNumbersFiledOff: ''The Great Super-Villain Contest'' was a module from early in the game's lifespan where villains compete for points by beating up heroes. The author of that module was one of the people who broke off from the developers of the game to continue the comic book series originally based on the game [[note]] Some of the villains who originated in ''The Great Super-Villain Contest'' show up in the comic series eventually as well [[/note]], but the fourth-edition version of ''Champions Universe'' still describes it happening in official continuity. Just under a different name and with a villain they still owned running the contest instead.

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* SerialNumbersFiledOff: ''The Great Super-Villain Contest'' was a module from early in the game's lifespan where villains compete for points by beating up heroes. The author of that module was one of the people who broke off from the developers of the game to continue the comic book series originally based on the game [[note]] Some of the villains who originated in ''The Great Super-Villain Contest'' show up in the comic series eventually as well [[/note]], but so the IP of that adventure went with him. But the fourth-edition version of ''Champions Universe'' still describes it the events of the module happening in official continuity. Just under a different name and with a villain they still owned running the contest instead.
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* SerialNumbersFiledOff: ''The Great Super-Villain Contest'' was a module from early in the game's lifespan where villains compete for points by beating up heroes. The author of that module was one of the people who broke off from the developers of the game to continue the comic book series originally based on the game [[note]] Some of the villains who first appeared in ''The Great Super-Villain Contest'' show up in the comic series as well [[/note]], but the fourth-edition version of ''Champions Universe'' still describes it happening in official continuity. Just under a different name and with a villain they still owned running the contest instead.

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* SerialNumbersFiledOff: ''The Great Super-Villain Contest'' was a module from early in the game's lifespan where villains compete for points by beating up heroes. The author of that module was one of the people who broke off from the developers of the game to continue the comic book series originally based on the game [[note]] Some of the villains who first appeared originated in ''The Great Super-Villain Contest'' show up in the comic series eventually as well [[/note]], but the fourth-edition version of ''Champions Universe'' still describes it happening in official continuity. Just under a different name and with a villain they still owned running the contest instead.
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** [[AIIsACrapshoot Mechanon]] is an AI who has grown to despise organic life. Aiming to [[OmnicidalManiac annihilate humankind]], Mechanon made his first appearance massacring over a dozen White House officials to seek the nuclear codes and [[NukeEm launch the US's arsenal]]. Returning with grandiose schemes to exterminate mankind, Mechanon also enslaves any AI under his own control, as little more than extensions of his own will.

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** [[AIIsACrapshoot Mechanon]] is an AI who has grown to [[FantasticRacism despise organic life. life]]. Aiming to [[OmnicidalManiac [[KillAllHumans annihilate humankind]], Mechanon made his first appearance massacring over a dozen White House officials to seek the nuclear codes and [[NukeEm launch the US's arsenal]]. Returning with grandiose schemes to exterminate mankind, Mechanon also [[RobotsEnslavingRobots enslaves any AI under his own control, control]], as little more than extensions of his own will.

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** [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Doctor Destroyer]] was born Albert Zerstoiten. Working with the Nazis to develop superweapons, he later betrayed them to [[LaResistance the French resistance]]. Deciding he had the right to [[TakeOverTheWorld rule the world]] after [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII the war]], he recreated himself as a supervillain who invokes grandiose schemes on the world at large, with plots that result in large amounts of death at the hands of his weapons or murderous robots. Possibly his most infamous deed took place during [[VideoGame/ChampionsOnline the Battle of Detroit]]: seeking to annihilate the US with asteroids, he ended up obliterating most of the city, killing over 60,000 with over a dozen heroes dying to stop him.
** [[AIIsACrapshoot Mechanon]] is an AI who has grown to despise organic life. Aiming to [[OmnicidalManiac annihilate humankind]], Mechanon made his first appearance massacring over a dozen White House officials to seek the nuclear codes and [[NukeEm launch the US's arsenal]]. Returning with grandiose schemes to exterminate mankind, Mechanon also enslaves any AI under his own control, as little more than extensions of his own will.

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